Can I vent and explain my confusion?

[Pototan]

I am a 72-year-old white male. I drove an auto in America for 55 years. I have been stopped by the police about 15 times for minor traffic offenses during those years, at various ages in my life. Never serious infractions, just speeding or rolling through a stop sign. I was always treated with respect and professionalism by the police.

During my time in college and my work life, I have had many African American male co-workers and acquaintances. Often, the subject of the police would come up (now, remember, I'm talking about conversations that covered a half century). I have not conversed with one of these men in which they did not have at least one negative (and fearful) encounter with a white police officer. Donald Trump wants to empower local police to be tougher in such instances and give the officers immunity.

My question is, "why would any African American man want to vote for Trump"?

[Ferrets are Cool]

1. Roland Martin discusses it quite often on his podcast. One of the reasons, according to Roland, is that black men have a

problem with strong women. ( I didn't say it, he did). And secondly, they think that asswipe was good on the economy because they got a covid check. Again, his comments, not mine.
He goes much deeper than that, but those are the two that stood out for me.

[Quiet Em]

3. Yup, it's the misogyny.

All men are susceptible to it.

[Elessar Zappa]

7. There's still way, way more white men who will vote for Trump than black men.

Let’s be honest about who’s the real problem in this country. And I say that as a white man.

[Pototan]

8. Please reread the OP

White men are not as much at risk from a Trump Presidency as black men are. especially young black men.

[iemanja]

9. You framed the OP to blame black men

when the other poster is right, white men are the problem. Few black men will vote for Trump, but white men are his biggest base of support. Quit blaming people of color for the things white people fuck up.

[Pototan]

11. Sorry, you are incorrect

The post is written to explain that I'm not at risk from a Trump Presidency because of the color of my skin. I may be at risk because of my political beliefs, but a cop can't tell that by looking at me. If my car doesn't have any bumper stickers on it, I'm just another white guy.

On the other hand, recent history has proven to us that every black man is at risk, no matter who they are, even a pro-football player in the parking lot of the home team's stadium.

Every young black man is at risk at a traffic stop, that's why his parents' have "the talk" about being stopped by the police.

And, by the way, I know 4 out every 5 black men will vote for Harris. The question is, "why would any black man vote for Trump?"

[iemanja]

24. Why are you even focused on the very small percentage of black men who will vote for Trump?

1) What makes you think they are a threat? 2) What makes you think it's your business to probe their minds? We are talking small numbers, compared to the huge numbers of white men who have made destroying this country their mission.

[Pototan]

33. 20% is not small

Trump wants white Americans to fear black men.

It seems that Barack Obama and I are of the same opinion.

[iemanja]

35. Where does that 20% figure come from?

If you don’t mind sharing.

[Pototan]

37. Exit polls from 2020

had the Black vote 12% overall for Trump, with 19% of that being black men. that was just on CNN,

and then there's this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-men-drifted-democrats-toward-trump-record-numbers-polls-show-n1246447

There was an unusual relationship between education and how Black men voted this year. About 26 percent of Black men who had a high school diploma or less supported Trump. But 22 percent of Black men with bachelor’s degrees and 20 percent of Black men with advanced degrees also supported him. Black men with some college education broke for Biden at levels comparable to those of Black women.

[iemanja]

38. Hopefully it will be better this election. nt

[Pototan]

34. I understand why a racist supports Trump

I can't understand why the object of that racism supports him.

[DET]

14. No, He Didn't

The OP is not blaming anyone. He is legitimately asking why a Black man (or woman) would vote for Trump, especially given the fact that Trump is a known racist. I have the same question. Clearly, white men are the biggest Trump supporters, and they appear to be motivated by misogyny, racism, homophobia, etc. But Black men, what is their motivation?

[iemanja]

25. Why focus on the motivations of such a small number of voters?

If you want to know, ask some of them. Posting it here accomplishes nothing positive.

[Pototan]

12. My question is...

...why would a black man vote for Trump?

I know why white men do, because they're racist. Oh, they may look for a more socially acceptable reason, like the economy (which is the best in the world), immigration (because they're bigots) or some other foolish reason, but let's face it, there are a lot of white racists and bigots. I already know that. And polls tell us the less educated a white man is, the more liklet they are to support Trump. They hate black and brown men, just like Trump does.

So, again my question, why would a black man support Trump when his election puts a black man even more at risk?

[MichMan]

27. There are also more white men that will vote for Harris than black men.

67% of all registered voters are white while 11 % are black.

News flash; not all black or (white) people think the same.

[Elessar Zappa]

29. Per capita, white men will go for Trump by over ten points.

[MichMan]

30. Are you saying Harris will get more total votes from black men than white men?

[msongs]

2. maybe some see him as a macho male attitude nt

[Patton French]

4. They can be racist too. NT

[Pototan]

5. But a Trump Presidency

puts them, their sons and their brothers at greater risk.

[Skittles]

6. because sexism trumps racism

think about it: America has never had a female president, and WE ARE OVER HALF THE POPULATION

[iemanja]

39. Except Clinton won more of the AA vote than Biden did

If it continues, there may be a trend away from the Democratic party.

[Pompoy]

10. All they need to understand is what drives a big part of the Trumpkins

Was thinking about my friends on Facebook and trying to understand ,and it has to be racism and culture wars on a certain level. It doesn't make sense any other way. There will always be the thing about resentment of taxes, and the fear of losing their guns, but a lot of it is resentment of the poor who aren't as worthy.
Why side with them if that's a big part of why they stick by this guy if you are black? Watching my niece post videos about how horrible Democrats are for not providing help to hurricane victims was the last straw for me about how much stupidity is another piece of it.
Never would have imagined that girl cared about politics before this. Hell, she has moved to Greece in the past 5 years.
Do they really think Republicans are about helping the poor and the people who need help?

[Keepthesoulalive]

13. Perhaps they are not well informed

There’s a lot of crazy going around. Some have tuned out because they see no benefit in believing.,
Marginalized with little hope and seen as some thug or gang banger and some are sellouts like black republicans. Black women are not as scary to some white people and they can move into larger society a little easier. There are many reasons but let’s not judge them until society takes the boot off their necks.

[JI7]

15. Same reason whiite working class men vote Republican

[Pototan]

19. White working class men

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vote Republican because they are racist and hate people of color.

Are you saying people of color who vote for Trump feel the same way?

[JI7]

20. Yes, they can be racist or anti gay or misogynist or any other type of bigot

[Pototan]

21. You know what? that makes sense

however, the Trump supporters also put people of color into that same grouping.

In 1932 and 1933 there were Jews (Max Naumann) who supported Hitler. This was after the printing and distribution of Mein Kampf. I'm sure that made sense to them at the time, but it certainly didn't turn out to be a very good decision in the long run.

The Association of German National Jews (German: Verband nationaldeutscher Juden) was a German Jewish organization during the Weimar Republic and the early years of Nazi Germany that eventually came out in support of Adolf Hitler.

It primarily attracted members from the anticommunist middle class, small business owners, self-employed professionals such as physicians and lawyers, national conservatives, and nationalist World War I veterans, many of whom believed that Nazi antisemitism was only a rhetorical tool used to "stir up the masses."[1][2][3]

In 1935, the organization was outlawed, and its founder and leader Max Naumann was imprisoned by the Gestapo.[4] Most other members and their families were murdered in the Holocaust.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews

[MichMan]

31. All of them ?

Every Trump voter is supporting him only because they are racist ?

[Pototan]

32. Not every Trump supporter is a racist,

but every racist is a Trump supporter.

[B.See]

16. Pototan's question is absolutely spot on because

as a Black man I wonder the same damn thing.

I mean hey, even if you derive some resentful macho bullshit satisfaction from Trump's phony ass tough guy shtick (though, for a 'tough guy' he sure as hell whines a lot)

one would THINK they'd (I say they so as to separate those of us who know better from the Trump supporting clowns)

have some sense of self preservation, knowing the likelihood of harassment, even death is higher for those of us who 'drive while Black' (as explored in John Oliver's show last Sunday).

And that Trump's rhetoric, as well as his stated intentions only bode far worse for us.

One would think they'd be insulted by Trump's racist rhetoric, like how every city will be like Detroit if Kamala's elected. A blatently racist piece of fear mongering if ever there was one.

One would think they'd figure out Trump's intent when he promises a day of extreme violence in so-called purges of America's cities.

And one would THINK they'd see the increase in hate based sentiment, whereby our youth (sons daughters grandkids) can't even play in a regional high school game without getting called the n-word by racist vermin manning the bleachers.

The flip side being, MOST of us are fully aware of the horrors to come with another Trump occupancy in the Oval Office, fully aware of the sentiment driving his rabid base of support,

and MOST of us have the common sense, the INTEGRITY, not to support that kind of shit.

But the fact is there are a few TOO many obstinate, mean-spirited, and deliberately contrary (if not willfully ignorant) Black men buying into Trump, for MY druthers.

And history, I think, will no doubt remember them for their treachery.

end of rant.

[Pototan]

17. Thank you for understanding my point

Your reply is greatly appreciated.

I'm an old white man with white male friends and relatives. I know why so many of them support Trump. They're racists.

My confusion is why one in five black men support Trump? There shouldn't be one.

[B.See]

18. One would THINK.

And I must confess, the very notion pisses me to the max.

[UTUSN]

22. Or any minority. One of the Eternal Questions.

[LeftInTX]

23. I worked with a black woman on a project. There was a black man in charge of it.

They fought like cats and dogs. It was toxic.
He treated her so crappy, I was totally shocked to find out he was an MD.

So, I tell my husband about my friend and the guy in charge of the project.


He immediately asked , "Is he black too?"

I asked, "Why do you ask?"

He responds: "It's a known issue". Don't judge.that's what he told me. He said it was a power struggle thing.

[GreenWave]

26. Some fail to see the are being used and manipulated.

Just check the complexion of the last few GOP regimes. Do they almost all match a skin color test?

[PedroXimenez]

28. some might think immigrants are taking their jobs n/t

[ecstatic]

36. remember, trump is a master of distraction

A lot of men (of all colors) have been swept up in trump's bullshit and all they need is to be reminded of the harsh facts. The police brutality example is a powerful one that can stop the movement towards trump, but people have to be reminded frequently because the pro-trump/manosphere/immigrant-resentment/echo chamber is very powerful and relentless. But trump is the guy who wanted to silence Colin Kaepernick and others.