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yellowcanine

(36,824 posts)
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 04:10 PM Oct 2024

Caddies call Trump "Pele" for his habit of kicking his golf ball back unto the fairway.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-golf-2669381021/
Former President Donald Trump has been forced to forego golf, according to a new report.

Trump has not played golf since an apparent assassination attempt on Sept. 15 and will not return to the course until after the election, sources told NBC News Friday.

This change in routine came in response to a warning from federal agents that they could not properly protect the Republican presidential nominee on the green, according to the report.

Trump will be unable to fully enjoy his 18 golf properties across the globe in places such as Oman and Dubai for another four weeks, the NBC News report noted.

"If Trump goes without golfing through Election Day, it will be the longest time he has gone without playing since the pandemic, which kept him off the links for over two months," the report states.

Trump has said golf is his main form of exercise, according to NBC News. It is also the subject of a 2019 book by sportswriter Rick Reilly entitled "Commander in Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump."

“Trump doesn’t just cheat at golf,” Reilly wrote. “He throws it, boots it, and moves it. He lies about his lies. He fudges and foozles and fluffs. At Winged Foot, where Trump is a member, the caddies got so used to seeing him kick his ball back onto the fairway they came up with a nickname for him: ‘Pele.’"


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Caddies call Trump "Pele" for his habit of kicking his golf ball back unto the fairway. (Original Post) yellowcanine Oct 2024 OP
Pele must be spinning in his grave. Dave Bowman Oct 2024 #1
The Felon (R) is a cheater and a chicken BoRaGard Oct 2024 #2
There's also a story about an apparently hot-rodded golf cart that's faster... keep_left Oct 2024 #3
I Doubt That One ProfessorGAC Oct 2024 #6
I don't know about the golf cart but Wiz Imp Oct 2024 #7
Could Be ProfessorGAC Oct 2024 #9
It was detailed in Rick Reilly's book (as was the golf cart) - I believe Reilly - he has no reason to lie Wiz Imp Oct 2024 #11
Thanks--was just about to add that. keep_left Oct 2024 #13
Stil Doesn't Make Sense ProfessorGAC Oct 2024 #14
Sorry, but I don't know why you think it doesn't make sense. It is totally believable to me. Wiz Imp Oct 2024 #21
That's Not His Worst Cheating ProfessorGAC Oct 2024 #4
Story from when Trump golfed with pros Tiger Woods, Dustin Johnson & Brad Faxon Wiz Imp Oct 2024 #12
Totally Believable ProfessorGAC Oct 2024 #15
I should hope so. It came from Faxon himself. Wiz Imp Oct 2024 #16
Fuck him and his little golf cart too Blue Owl Oct 2024 #5
AssFace Cheats in Every GD thing he does. Cha Oct 2024 #8
Obviously the caddies know little of Enoki33 Oct 2024 #10
He has the caddies cheating for him DinahMoeHum Oct 2024 #17
Let me settle this... world wide wally Oct 2024 #18
What's really sad/funny/karmic.... carpetbagger Oct 2024 #19
Could call him Judge Smalls Ray Bruns Oct 2024 #20

keep_left

(3,215 posts)
3. There's also a story about an apparently hot-rodded golf cart that's faster...
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 04:25 PM
Oct 2024

...than everyone else's. That way, Trump can speed off out of sight and move the golf ball without any witnesses. I know that I've read about it at DU on more than one occasion.

ProfessorGAC

(77,140 posts)
6. I Doubt That One
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 04:30 PM
Oct 2024

It would require the cart to be 5 times faster at the incredibly convenient time when the partners would be blind to his location.
I doubt his cart goes 60mph.
Besides, the faster cart only helps when one has hit it farther than the rest. With that swing, & at 78 years old, he's not hitting it past many fellow players.
He cheats for sure, in multiple ways. (See my post below)
But, this cheating method (which I agree has been stated here) doesn't make sense to me.

Wiz Imp

(10,306 posts)
7. I don't know about the golf cart but
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 04:46 PM
Oct 2024

I know it's been said (and confirmed by people who played with him) that he will always hit first and then leave to "go find his ball" before anyone else hits. This way, there's never anyone else around his ball so he can basically do whatever he wants. He's even done this when he hits the ball into a hazard then goes up near where he hit and drops a ball in the fairway and says it actually ended up better than anyone thought.

ProfessorGAC

(77,140 posts)
9. Could Be
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 04:59 PM
Oct 2024

Still hard to believe though.
Because that would require him putting himself in the line of fire.
I can't see a coward like him stepping into somebody else's ball path.
Again, it also requires the convenience of hitting a ball where he literally can't be seen.
That's why he shaves strokes. Doesn't count penalty strokes. "Forgets" about that 2nd shot that missed the green. Picks up a 25 footer because he "would have made it", when a club player makes around 1 in 25 or 30....
There's no doubt he cheats, but these "moving the ball" things don't work for me. Idealized a lie is something that would be a great advantage to a world class golfer, but not to club players, especially players with a hacking swing like his. Moving the ball is hardly a guarantee of success.

Wiz Imp

(10,306 posts)
11. It was detailed in Rick Reilly's book (as was the golf cart) - I believe Reilly - he has no reason to lie
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 05:29 PM
Oct 2024
https://theweek.com/speedreads/833026/trump-allegedly-rigged-supercharged-golf-cart-race-ahead-cheat

Greg Puga, a caddy who spoke with Reilly, confirmed that Trump "makes sure to hit first off every tee box and then jumps in the cart, so he's halfway down the fairway before the other three are done driving. That way he can get up there quick and mess with his ball." Puga provided Reilly with a particularly amusing anecdote about one game he played with Trump:
So this one time — we were on the 18th — [Trump] hits first, kind of blocks it right, and jumps in his cart and starts driving away. My guy pures one right down the middle. I mean, I SAW it go right down the middle. One of his best drives of the day. But by the time we get to my guy's ball, it's not there. We can't find it anywhere. And Trump is now ON the green already putting! Where's our ball? And then Trump starts yelling back at us, "Hey guys! I made a birdie!" He's holding up his ball and celebrating. And that's when we realized. He stole our ball! He got up here early, hit OUR ball, and then hurried up and pretended like he made the putt for a birdie. I mean, what the hell?"


https://people.com/donald-trump-cheats-golf-rick-reilly-claims-8621189

And the writer claims Trump always uses a "turbo-charged golf cart that goes three times as fast" as his competition's, which gives him time to move the balls around before people catch up.

https://jalopnik.com/new-book-alleges-trump-had-a-supercharged-golf-cart-to-1833809240
We also do know that the Secret Service has requested faster golf carts to keep up with Trump when he’s at one of his golf courses in Florida. Standard golf carts can hit 14 MPH, but the Secret Service has requested that their carts can make 19 MPH, the maximum speed possible before it’s legally and officially a motor vehicle, and then subject to all those laws and regulations.


ProfessorGAC

(77,140 posts)
14. Stil Doesn't Make Sense
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 05:44 PM
Oct 2024

People would see him move somebody's ball of the fairway.
I like Reilly, but he's relating a story, not providing an eyewitness account..
I'm not doubting him, I'm doubting the story he was told.
There are documented eyewitness accounts, one in Reilly's book, about the things I describe, which is a more effective, and egregious form of cheating.
So, I'm still dubious because these cheating schemes don't make sense.
I could do that in a cart while playing with walkers. They'd see me do it. Having a faster cart doesn't make people go blind.
One more thing: the secret service needing faster golf carts is fishy. All they'd have to do is take the governors off the cart. With the governor gone, a cart will do 35 to 40mph.
So, I find that story dubious as well.

Wiz Imp

(10,306 posts)
21. Sorry, but I don't know why you think it doesn't make sense. It is totally believable to me.
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 06:31 PM
Oct 2024

Do you think Reilly just took everything he was told at face value and didn't fact check? I'm sorry, Reilly is too good of a witer to not confirm the stories he put in his book.

Do you not believe the that he once threw Mike Tirico's ball which landed on the green into the bunker? How about this one:

Trump sees Virtue on the back nine of the course one day and tells him he didn’t really win the club championship, "because I was out of town.” So he tells Virtue they will start there and play to see who the real champion is. Virtue has no choice.

"Apparently, they get to a hole with a big pond in front of the green," Reilly said. "Both Ted and his son hit the ball on the green, but Trump hits his in the water. By the time they get to the hole, though, Trump is lining up the son’s ball. Only now it’s his ball and the caddie has switched it.

"The son is like, 'That’s my ball!' But Trump’s caddie goes, 'No, this is the president’s ball; your ball went in the water.' … Trump makes that putt, and wins 1-up."


There are literally dozens of stories in Reilly's book and elsewhere which detail cheating just like that. If it were just one story, ok, then maybe questionable. But dozens of people making up similar stories? really? I don't think so. You're also ignoring the fact that in some of these cases, it's said that someone saw Trump cheating, but Trump denied it and did it anyway. I have no doubt that these stories are true.

As for the secret service golfcarts. Maybe you'll believer this source.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2018/11/secret-service-needs-turbo-charged-golf-carts-protect-trump-mar-lago/153004/

The Secret Service Needs Turbo-Charged Golf Carts To Protect Trump At Mar-A-Lago
Standard-issue golf carts won't cut it.


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Standard golf carts have a top speed of about 14 mph. All of the golf carts required by the Secret Service must be able to reach a “ground speed” of up to 19 mph.
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ProfessorGAC

(77,140 posts)
4. That's Not His Worst Cheating
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 04:26 PM
Oct 2024

He's a legendary stroke shaver. Makes a 5, says it was a 4. Or worse.
One documented example: He hits his second shot left into the water. He doesn't drop where the ball crossed the hazard line, but where it went into the water. (2 stroke penalty) Hits his chip (which should have been a 30 yard pitch), but hits it too hard and rolls it 20' by the hole. Calls a TWENTY FOOTER good, says he made 4.
Technically he made 5, with a 95% chance of being a six, not counting the 2 strokes for dropping in the wrong place.
There is no cheating in golf worse than claiming a score lower than what was actually made.
As a touring pro was quoted saying after TFG claimed he shot a 73; "He shot 73, for sure. I'm not sure if that was after 13 or 14 holes, though."

Wiz Imp

(10,306 posts)
12. Story from when Trump golfed with pros Tiger Woods, Dustin Johnson & Brad Faxon
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 05:39 PM
Oct 2024

They set up a bet: Faxon and Trump against Woods and Johnson. But because Woods and Johnson are so preposterously long off the tee, they decided Faxon and Trump could tee off the middle tees. Trump would get a stroke subtracted on the eight hardest holes; everybody else would play scratch. Off they went.

“On this one hole, Donald hits his second and fats it into the water,” Faxon remembers. “But he quickly says to me, ‘Hey, throw me another ball; they weren’t looking.’ So I do. But he fats that one into the water, too. So he drives up and drops where he should’ve dropped the first time and hits it on the green.” Meanwhile, on the other side of the fairway, Woods, being Woods, has hit his approach to a foot from the hole for a kick-in birdie. Everybody’s on the green now, with Trump about 20 feet from the hole, and getting a stroke. Trump said, “So, where does everybody stand here?”

FAXON: “Well, Tiger just made a three. What’s that [putt] for, Mr. President?”

TRUMP: “Four for a three.”

Faxon had to laugh because Trump was actually putting for a seven, but he was claiming it was for a four, which would’ve worked out to a three with his free stroke on the hole.

https://golf.com/lifestyle/celebrities/how-why-president-trump-cheats-golf-playing-tiger-woods/

carpetbagger

(5,508 posts)
19. What's really sad/funny/karmic....
Fri Oct 11, 2024, 06:26 PM
Oct 2024

The man will never be able to experience the joy of a simple duffer achievement like breaking 100, because he's built a fantasy golfer he has to compete with. 30-handicap Trump can't not compete against 2-handicap Not-Trump.

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