Worst case, Trump wins. Then what?

[qwlauren35]

A number of people have talked about leaving. I’m not going anywhere. I can’t take up arms, but I would be happy to support those who would, if their objective was to protect immigrants and LGBTQ citizens from physical harm. I don’t want to start a war, but if they resort to violence, I don’t want to be caught off guard. If Trump wins, it’s open season on immigrants and LGBTQ citizens. The violence has already started. Sometimes voting isn’t enough.

[hlthe2b]

1. I don't want to give "voice" or "written comment" to what could happen in a worst case scenario...

I'll just say that I know a lot of really terrified people who are sort of "hanging emotionally by a thread" and could not afford to leave. Right now, they have been sufficiently hopeful and engaged in the process that they are not considering that possibility or at least not too much.

I don't know that they would all be able to hang in there and "hope for the best" if the unthinkable happened.. That worries me greatly.

[PeaceWave]

65. Their concerns are valid. Trump hasn't minced words regarding his intentions.

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[GenThePerservering]

2. Open season on women, too

I'm very willing to take up arms to protect myself and others, but I would very much prefer it NOT come to that. A great deal can be done with united action - we citizens just have to not squabble amongst ourselves, nor allow ourselves to be pitted against one another (a classic GOP/regressive tactic) but unite in a common cause.

[wnylib]

8. Yes, very important that we stick together.

[qwlauren35]

10. WOW. Forgot women.

Maybe because it's already open season on us and strategies have kicked in to protect as many women as possible.

The frightening possibility is that domestic violence becomes common in red states. And a Republican Congress defunds VAWA.

Something else we would need to be prepared for.

[Keepthesoulalive]

3. We adapt as we did with COVID.

Many Americans have been in a protected bubble, they will have to learn new skills to survive. Some of us have always been terrorized and we have learned to cope. It won’t be easy but they will learn.

[DeepWinter]

95. Agree

We are more resilient than we think. We survived before. We will again. Personally for all my fretting, hand wringing, and pearl clutching, I and my family/friends/community did no worse than any other Republican Presidency. We work these things up in our heads far far worse than what actually plays out. I'm super guilty of that. I'm better off in 2024 than I was in 2016, even with those 4 years in there.

[Silent Type]

4. A trump victory will set us further behind, but we'll survive and be better in future. But, I don't want to test theory.

[Think. Again.]

39. I wish I thought it would just be as trivial as that.

[Prairie Gates]

48. A lot of people won't survive

Delusional post.

[Silent Type]

56. OK, every Democrat is going to die a miserable, painful, long death in first few days. Is that good for you?

[Prairie Gates]

57. A silly attempt at a strawman

[Silent Type]

58. Why waste my good stuff on defending what you call a "delusional post."

[Prairie Gates]

60. Indeed

[oldsoldierfadingfast]

5. Well, we could possibly...

sit back and watch his VP and cabinet members declare him to be incompetent and Vance would become president. Then we could even more quietly sit back and watch as the senior staff get thrown out of high-rise windows.

[MLF1981]

9. Yep.

JD probably is familiar with the concept of defenestration. His orange overlord? Probably not.

And I guarantee that you're correct, they'll invoke the 25th Amendment at the earliest opportunity.

Also, Welcome!

[Think. Again.]

40. It would be difficult to just sit back when our maga neighbors are shooting through our windows.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

96. We have that in the outskirts of our area a lot.

[OnionPatch]

108. This really scares me.

I live in a very red, rural area. Totally surrounded by Trumpsters. They know we're the only liberals around. I worry that if Trump loses, they'll lash out at the first libs they see, which would be me and my family. I'm cleaning and loading my guns, just in case. What a f'd up world it is.

[Think. Again.]

110. Me too. I've considered getting out of town around the election just to be cautious.

[OnionPatch]

114. We've thought about it, too.

But I think we'll stay put. I'm going to assume I'm worrying needlessly, and that most of my neighbors are not that crazy, but if any of them do go off the deep end, we'll be safe enough with my guns and dogs. I probably won't be dancing on the front lawn if Harris wins, though, lol.

[PeaceWave]

127. Where would you go though?

[Prairie_Seagull]

124. Me also, not a prepper per se but am

preparing for this potential eventuality. My swords are sharp, my shield is strong. I am a peaceful but well trained man. I would send wife and kids elsewhere but they very well may have their own thought on this and I would comply of course.
I too cringe when giving voice to these thoughts. As we all know: Better to have and not need than to need and not have, which in this case I absolutely agree with.

Lets hope it's all for naught.

[Island Blue]

104. I think that would happen within the

first month or two. Trump is like Schrödinger's cat. He’s screwed either way.

[Jerry2144]

6. If he wins, he won't be POTUS long

Couch Vance will 25th trump as soon as he can.

[chicoescuela]

17. 100 %. His time is very limited

Assassination blamed on Dems to keep the crazies energized for a long time

[Jerry2144]

20. I was thinking COuch HUmper

would use the 25th amendment to oust

[mahatmakanejeeves]

7. The country goes to hell. There is no recovery from a thing like this. NT

[Cosmocat]

100. Yep

It's over.

[Dem4life1234]

115. With him and this crappy SC

I don't think so either. I am hoping Kamala wins it.

[leftyladyfrommo]

11. I plan to join the resistance. nt

[PikaBlue]

12. We crash the economy

Before choosing armed resistance, it might be worth implementing the economic equivalent of a sit in. No spending beyond the essentials needed to survive. Of course, I will honor my utility and insurance costs, property taxes - but no spending from my disposable income. No more Amazon, no more lunches and dinners out, no theater or movie tickets, no manicures. I made a list of items that I might need and I have purchased those in advance. I have completed my Christmas shopping. If everyone cut back on nonessential items it would have a huge impact. Yes, jobs would be impacted. No one can put you in jail for refusing to spend your money. It might at least be a bargaining chip.

[tetedur]

19. Not going to pay the freaking tariffs if I can help it.

[WarGamer]

28. armed resistance? Is this AR15.com or DU???

[PikaBlue]

42. I'm not advocating armed resistance

But I have seen a few posts over time that bordered on suggesting that. It was tongue in cheek for me. Armed resistance against the US government would be both stupid and futile, especially for someone such as myself. My arms stash consists of a cast iron skillet and a .22 rifle with no bullets that was last fired around 1937. My cat can be a touch grouchy but in a fight, he'll sell me out for a few treats and 5 minutes of laser mouse. 😁

[GenThePerservering]

66. I DO advocate armed resistence

so yeah, I guess I'm on AR-15.com. Sorree.

I have NO idea who thinks anyone is going to fight the US Government, but if magats and pruneboys shoot at me, I will shoot back. Even if they realise they don't, in fact, have 'all the guns' and they would meet armed resistence, it will help a lot - these are not people with courage, they're just cheap bullies.

It would be far better to overcome them with legal and permanent means, but I'm not going to just sit on my hands and cry and complain while myself and my loved ones get pushed around by a lot of half-men.

[Think. Again.]

41. I agree, a strong general strike would make the corporations remove him quickly.

[BadgerKid]

68. There are ways to charge fees for using and not using your money.

[Lonestarblue]

78. So many innocent people would be hurt with such a tactic.

If Trump wins and starts deporting all undocumented workers, the economy will crash anyway because those workers are a part of several supply chains, including the food industry. Given our low unemployment, there are not enough able-bodied people to take those jobs. Inflation will soar, and people on fixed incomes will be hurt the most.

The OP asks what we should do if Trump wins. I think we should look to our finances, especially if we are retired, as I am. I lived through the losses of the Republican Great Recession in 2008 and saw my 401k lose half its value. I was still working and contributing, though, and did not have to rely on my savings to live. That’s no longer the case, and I am convinced that the economy will tank within months of Trump’s inauguration if he wins, so I will most likely start cashing out some investments in November so I can protect the savings I will need to live on. Inflation will certainly affect the value of that cash, but if the stock market crashes, there won’t be much left. I really believe we could have another Great Depression if Trump wins because his economic plans are a disaster. Add the firing of 50,000 career government workers, the deportation of undocumented workers, and the chaos of a government that no longer functions, and we have a recipe for economic catastrophe.

I remain optimistic that Harris will win, but I’m also thinking how to protect my financial ability to live.

I’m editing my post to add another thought. If you are in a group that might be vulnerable to Trump and Christian Nationalist plans, you might consider getting a passport now if you do not have one. For example, if Trump wins and government workers are fired, getting a passport later might be impossible. And when Stephen Miller starts arresting Hispanics and Haitians for deportation, he and ICE will not bother to check whether some are US citizens. My passport is good for more than a year, but I plan to renew it in November.

[LeftInTX]

122. He's not gonna deport US citizens.

However, the movie and song "Born in East LA" is based on someone who was accidentally deported.

Same thing happened to someone I knew. It was kinda comical. "Mom, dad. I'm in Juarez"..."What are you doing there?"
Back then, it was "round ups" and the deportation was not a legal proceeding. They just saw the guy. He had an accent and was working with a yard crew up in Austin. He also had a lot of sun exposure that summer from his gardening job. (He was a college student and it was a summer job) So they rounded them up and turned them lose in Juarez. Legally they were not deported, but CBP knew it would be harder for them to return if they were not a US citizen. And if they were a US citizen, they would find their way home. It was the 80's.

&ab_channel=DefKennyT


He's not gonna deport 1/5 of the population of the US. (Latinos are 1/5 of the US population)

[AKwannabe]

117. Not doing these things puts many people out of work

…

[SomedayKindaLove]

13. Some Dem herds might need to move?

To bluer states for better protection? Because I’m pretty sure it’s going to be open season on any opposing views and MAGA will be emboldened. Trump has already promised to go after Google for bad search results and told Ben Shapiro to just wait until you see what I do with the NYT.

I really don’t want to buy a gun, never had one, never fired one. But I am reluctantly considering the possibility. Which is becoming another HUGE reason for me to hope Harris wins.

[BamaRefugee]

14. We never talk to each other on Democratic Underground again. It will be gone.

So will every other way of communicating between progressive people. Although all past communications will be used as a means to track us down and eliminate us.

But the public will never know about all of us disappearing. Because none of it will ever be published or broadcast.

There will only be trembling hushed whispers speaking of neighbors who haven't been seen for quite a while.

[GenThePerservering]

22. The internet is as leaky as an old bucket

- there will be no 'trembling hushed whispers' because communication is no longer unified and impossible to keep contained.

[BamaRefugee]

33. They can turn the internet off like a faucet, to keep your moisture metaphor going.

Democratic Underground vanished maybe a week after the election in 2016. Maybe you weren’t a member then. I can’t remember all the details, but it was done by “God Emperor” for Trump, or something like that. You could look it up.

None of us could talk about anything. Because the site was gone. No one knew what was happening because there was no way to ask.

Remember?

I’m certain it could easily happen again.

But on a huge scale.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

94. I lost my original name here

And my past post count went pouf when DU suffered that attack.

[Prairie Gates]

50. Sorry but that's some 90s era cyber libertarian nonsense

Every authoritarian government on the planet has figured out how to regulate and dominate its internet.

[Prairie Gates]

49. Agreed...this board will be gone witjin six months

Maybe three, depending on how aggressive the Miller-Bannon faction is.

I don't think some of these ho-hummers really understand how fascist autocracies operate.

[GenThePerservering]

67. The very problem of regressive regimes fragmenting

and decentralizing the internet for repression, is giving rise to a whole library of skills to circumvent censorship and permit evasion. This is extremely important. We have to say ahead of this.

Yes, it's a leaky bucket because in fact information does get in and out. Iran is a good example of this.

[CousinIT]

15. It's been open season on women since the Trump Court was confirmed

Well, women and LGBTQ — and immigrants.

IT WILL GET MUCH WORSE if that scumbag takes power. For ALL of us. In so many ways. NO ONE will be exempt.

[Abstractartist]

16. We will be ok

We will survive. Our lives will go on, but

Latinos and immigrants will suffer. Legal immigrants will be under the gun too. So if you are reading this now, and plan to not vote or vote trump, think twice.

Women…. I am so sorry about the fucked up treatment you are receiving. You are our partners, our lives, our best friends. We need you, so us devoted men will always fight for you. We love you and will make sure your mistreatment will end and NEVER happen again.

LGBTQ community will suffer, their healthcare will be cut off, no playing sports, or no privacy. They will be treated as CIS.

Seniors will NOT lose SS or Medicare, because the right have it also, but the middle class workers and seniors taxes will go up, causing hardships to elderly and poor community. Most of the MAGA population will suffer too, but since voting for trump, they are too fucking stupid to care or understand.

The too rich to give a crap will get a huge tax cut, causing the debit to soar and another depression/recession will kick in.

My opinion only… trump will continue to be a babbling idiot and his health will continue to go down hill. He may face an article 25, or may not finish the 4 year term.

The midterm elections will add more Dems into the mix and if smart, will “ bring a gun to a knife fight”, but will need to redesign and reform the party. We need to be the bad guys now.

Now, time to stop this from happening and let’s get our asses off the sofas and vote. Bring your grandma, grandpa, dads, moms to the polls. CONVINCE THE YOUNGER GENERATION that this is THEIR future and country too.

GOTV…. Let’s go Kamala…

[Think. Again.]

43. I don't think you fully realize...

....how important it would be to them to make sure any threat to their power is completely squashed.

[Abstractartist]

80. I actually do

[TBF]

97. mid-term elections would be a pipe dream.

there won't be elections again if Trump is re-elected.

[MFM008]

125. I agree

He will find some excuse to call off elections in 26 and 28.
It will be the end of democracy as we know it. They will put in project 2025 right away, destroy the environment, gay rights and others. He will use the military any way he can.....for a start, then comes settling scores.

[Prairie Gates]

51. "We'll be OK," then lists all those who won't

A very odd "we" there.

Of course, even that "we" (whatever it contains) won't be OK at all. Fascism comes for everybody. My God some people are really living in the last days of their illusions.

[Abstractartist]

81. Correct

You are correct. I stand by my remarks. My final statements are the important part of the post. Get asses up, vote and not see anything I said happen. I’ve been voting for 50 years, and have seen some bad shit in this country, but we ( as a nation ) has always survived, we will do it again….IF NEEDED.

[Oneironaut]

83. The people less worse off than others will feel privileged.

MAGA just wants people beneath them. If they’re a little worse off because of it, that’s fine.

[Oneironaut]

82. This

The other posts here are in the realm of sci-fi. This is what would actually happen, imo. People will be miserable or die, and, everyone will try to live on. The cis, hetero white male majority will be affected the least and will even enjoy what’s going on around them. Everyone is going to be worse off at different levels of affectedness.

The only thing I disagree with is Trump not finishing his term. He has the best healthcare in the world, and, they’ll keep him at least living.

[lees1975]

18. If he wins, he cheated.

So, with a President protected by immunity, declare martial law and end his charade.

[sciencescience]

89. the polls are close in the tossup states so neither side can claim that one side has to win or lose

[WarGamer]

21. I wouldn't want to be Jack Smith if Trump wins...

His revenge list must be 100 people long.

[Think. Again.]

44. Yes, and once he tastes blood, he won't stop.

[misanthrope]

52. And the rabid cries for more blood from his cult

will create a feedback loop.

[Demsrule86]

23. He will lose and I am sick of this shit so will ignore this and other posts like this.

[yaesu]

25. In a fair election he would lose, lose bigly

but, unfair red states, unfair 24/7 tRump propaganda networks, musks russian propaganda machine, unlimited RW money influence and the fascist supreme court/ federal judges pretty much makes this an unfair election from the start.

[msongs]

24. so will be true to our stated belief in...democratic outcomes or not? then let the resistance being nt

[RandySF]

26. I tell my family to keep an eye on me

[Metaphorical]

27. I don't think it will happen

Trump was an unknown quantity in 2016, but was known in 2020, and has visibly decomposed coming into 2024. We are now about three and a half weeks to the election, and I think that Trump's chances of even getting an electoral victory have evaporated. I don't see a sudden surge of support for Trump, and while it will likely be close, I don't think it will be THAT close.

However, worst case scenario (which I honestly think would be a contested election where Trump loses the Electoral college, but not by enough to be decisive, then shenanigans occur), here's what I expect to see happen:

* The Supreme Court will attempt to validate the election for Trump, even if Trump loses.
* The blue states (and indeed many of the purple states) will not accept this, especially if the House changes hands to the Democrats. The election is thrown into the INCOMING House, which votes for Harris.
* The red states refuse to recognize Harris, and the red states launch a petition for secession.
* A new constitutional convention is agreed to, but only if it is a plebiscite of voters rather than legislatures in each state that determines whether the agreements upon the convention are met (e.g., which parent gets the kids).
* The US splits into two or possibly three separate countries, with a single common defense system (those nukes and bases are going to be problematic to split). US Debt obligation is broken up by population.

This is my bad marriage scenario, with the biggest question simply being how messy the divorce is going to be. I'm becoming less and less optimistic that this scenario won't happen, if not this year, then in the next couple of cycles.

[bottomofthehill]

85. The House does not vote for Harris.

Each state gets 1 vote not each member and there are a majority of red state delegations.

[C_U_L8R]

29. In no universe does Trump ever win.

He may cheat, steal, lie, swindle his way into power again. But he will never win.

[claudette]

30. I scream

[Fla Dem]

31. Worst case scenario, Trump gets elected, drops dead in a year and JD Vance is sworn in as the 48 President.

[asuhornets]

32. Trump will lose..n/t

[In It to Win It]

34. Then, we're fucked. Supreme Court and lower courts are gone for the next 30 years.

[DSandra]

35. Prepare to fight the descent to the dark ages. It will be open season on Democrats and Liberals

Prepare for Trump to make a federal police and send them out to arrest Democrats and other liberal leaders on sham charges. Prepare for Trump to shut down left wing organizations. Prepare for Trump using the full power of the federal government (including the FBI and IRS) to harass Democrats and other liberals, possibly using kangaroo courts. Prepare to be a political prisoner. MAGA thugs may also be unleashed to essentially do what Hitler's brownshirts did in Germany. The stakes are gravely high in this election.

[Amishman]

36. Nullification / non-enforcement at state and local levels

Purple and blue areas simply ignore the worst of it and wait him out.

[RTT]

37. Worst Case is Coup, or Project 2025 Policy That Acts Like Genocide on Americans

I agree with you.

I apologize for the length, but I think people need to understand how evil Trump's Circle & Project 2025 planners are, and why Civil War, or Project 2025 policies could act like Genocide.

If you look at Trump's Circle, & those affiliated with Project 2025, and list their career abilities, you will see a like-minded team who has always obsessively sought to overturn human rights.

They also intersect w/Trump's Int'l. Mob. Most all of them have been Knights of Malta for decades, Leonard Leo being one of the most dangerous, highest ranking member. Knights of Malta is a self-serving, mercenary paramilitary group, and is not a "charity."

Trump's Int'l. Mob has spent decades planning how to infiltrate Govt., FBI, DOJ, & the Justice system. They were obviously aided by Sidney Powell, and Ginni Thomas (who literally had hit lists to oust all FBI/DOJ not sufficiently loyal to Trump).

Also aided by career FBI men, like James Kallstrom (deceased) & Charles McGonigal (incarcerated in a min. sec. Fed. prison in MN, but he may not have any remorse).

There likely was a reason Trump sent John Bolton to ICC in 9/2018 to tell ICC -- and USA allies -- that "no dictator should ever be investigated for war crimes and Genocide," and that USA "would never participate in any investigation of a Dictator." This greatly alarmed our allies, plus USA has always been considered their ally "against Genocide." It should have alarmed Congress, too, but Congress was oblivious. So, if Trump does commit Genocide and War Crimes against Americans, then there could be the expectation that Trump, et al will be immune both at ICC, and in USA, because of SCOTUS loyalty. Fast forward to 7/2024, where the Rogue 6 SCOTUS decided that Trump is immune for official acts, and no Court appears to have ever made Trump "accountable" for anything. No consequences.

Plus, recently, GOP & Trump campaign funding dropped, while new funding for Mike Flynn & Ivan Raiklin appears to be increasing, (e.g., Leonard Leo's old America's Future shell co. (tied to Donors Trust) is now owned by Mike Flynn as an non-profit. Flynn recently appointed Raiklin to the Board of America's Future project, "Target Market". Thus, the higher ups in Trump's Int'l. Mob may hvae decided to redirect $'s from campaign to the Cult/Coup/Genocide side of their operation. I'm not saying it's right, but. . . moving funding to the Cult/War arm of things makes sense if they aren't sure Trump will win the Presidency.

For these reasons, and because the mercenary, paramilitary Knights of Malta are extremely operationally, and logistically capable of Genocide, I am warning that this could be where they are headed. (Knights of Malta helped the Nazi's in WWII). If the policies of Project 2025 are implemented to affect American's housing, healthcare, safety, jobs, consumer and banking rights, etc., plus if the other mass deportation/criminalization plans of GOP happen, then their collective plans could literally have the effect of Genocide on Americans.

The list below are Knights of Malta tied to Leonard Leo & Trump. This data is from screenprints from KoM Chapter websites, or they are publicly known to be KoM. The agenda of Knights of Malta can be intense, obsessive and self-serving. When they torture, maim, rape and execute, they have no remorse in the pain of their victims, and they walk away cocky, as if it was nothing, and the victim irrelevant. They have immunity. The history of their victims also typically disappears, as if the Knights of Malta believe innocent victims have no value.

Their goal, like our current GOP, is to reverse human rights but, Project 2025 gives them a way to reverse human rights via policy, down to possibly almost a feudal system. It appears they could do this via more tax manipulation, hitting low- to middle-income families the hardest, possibly reverse ACA and make health ins. lucrative for insurance companies but hard for citizens to be able to afford/use, or get health insurance due to pre-existing, etc. They will likely manipulate & keep SS/Medicare $, so that those who paid into it for decades have very little, or none, and they likely will write policy to make it hard for renters, homeowners to pay for, or hold on to their homes.

Side note: One of treasonous Charles McGonigal's buddies, Albanian, Agron Nezaj now appears to be running a foreclosure business RRN Prime Estates, LLC, tied to Albania, and foreclosure/flipping business, Lendipity with similarities to HSBC's foreclosure exploits & subprime lending.

It seems to me the best way we can prepare is to:

1. Vote,
2. Spend quality time with our friends/loved ones so we have good memories,
3. Prepare "to go" travel bags/boxes with food/water, winter clothes (as applicable), and first aid kits. You can aways use them if nothing happens. Covert cameras, binoculars, if needed.
4. If possible, plan to be around witnesses when you go out.
5. Make duplicate copies of your legal documents & securely store the originals,
6. Discuss plans with family of what to do if there is a Coup; make plans to stay in touch, etc.,
7. Get your doctor's appointments all out of the way (just in case there is no/little health insurance),
8. If you are able, save money or put in extra hours so you have a $ buffer.
9. Plan to protect yourself, your neighbors and family, if Trump orders Civil War/Coup.
They will not expect us to fight, but like you said we should defend ourselves if it becomes necessary.


Here is how Knights of Malta is involved in all of this:

Some Knights of Malta in Trump's Circle/Project 2025:

SCOTUS-based
- John Roberts
- Alito
- Leonard Leo (very high-ranking KoM)
- Saad Habba (high-ranking KoM)
- Koch Brothers (primarily funding)

Trump's Circle/Project 2025

- Erik Prince (Genocide expert (e.g., developed sec. systems for China's Concentration Camps for Uyghur's, involved in Putin's Genocide on Syria & UA, advised Israel recently on Israel's Genocide on Gaza, etc.). Also trains assassins, Genocide by drone, trained Wagner & other mercenaries for Putin & other Dictators, etc.
- Joseph Schmitz - Similar to Prince's experience
- John Bolton - Close friends w/Thomas/Leo & coup plotter. Likely knows exactly how Trump's Mob will carry out Genocide, given Bolton's 9/2018 to ICC).
- Oliver North - Vintage, from way back in Trump's Roy Cohn era, & mobster. Proposed Trump's Private CIA along with Erik Prince in 2018. I believe their "Private CIA" has been operating all these years since because there never was any Congressional oversight on it.
- Jerry Boykin - Logistics, prior Corrections Official
- Alex Jones
- Steve Bannon
- Joe Allbaugh - Possibly in charge of rounding people up for incarceration/criminalizing
- Brock C. Akers (True the Vote atty.)
- Rick Santorum
- Bill Janis (High-ranking Knight of Malta, in Florida).
- Pat Buchanan
- The Buckley's (mob ties to Trump)
- John Eastman
- Charles Maddox (Lawyer for TX SS, and I believe handles legal for TX election decisions).

Regional KoM - throughout every State in USA - Tied to Trump's Mob
- Most every Media Mogul in the World
- NAR Leaders
- State National Guard/NG Airforce Leaders
- Military Leaders
- World Bank Leaders
- Mayors
- Leading edge Tech (software/hardware); many tied to Peter Thiel
- Bilderbeg Members
- Bohemian Grove attendees
- Alexander Dugin (tied via affiliated Russian chapter)
- Russia Grand Priory of Malta

[tritsofme]

72. Oh boy...The Knights of Malta? That's some weird wild stuff right there.

Interesting how disinformation develops right in front of your eyes…combine actual threats like Project 2025 with made up nonsense conspiracy theories. Pretty weird.

[RTT]

111. Undisputed Articles, FB Pages, Websites Are Not Disinformation, Nonsense Or Conspiracy Theories

You can choose to read for yourself, or not.

This info. has been public for years, and reported on, undisputed, for a long time, (e.g., The New Republic, Slate, Propublica, HuffPost, AP News, Frederick Clarkson, etc.) Or, the information comes directly from the Federal or Western Associations of Order of Malta's own websites, or Facebook/Twitter pages.

Knights of Malta members like Leonard Leo, Alito, Roberts, Giuliani, Bannon, Oliver North, Erik Prince, Joseph Schmitz, Joe Allbaugh, Jerry Boykin and many others have clearly been part of Trump's far-right extremism, and most are architects or planned implementers in Project 2025.

Some members, like the Prince Carlo and Princess Camilla of Bourbon have been said to have influenced Trump/Bannon, and there were articles about this, and posts on Trump's & Princess Camilla's SM accounts. This has also gone a step further, and these Bannon/Trump Knights of Malta connections spread to other Knights/Dames of Malta (Royalty) to counter women's and human rights in Europe: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/europes-aristocratic-elite-in-the-fight-against-womens-and-lgbt-rights/. In fact, this article in 2019 was only a few months after Steve Bannon, and Trump visited Prince Carlo and Princess Camilla of Bourbon, and then the Prince/Princess visited Mar-A-Lago. If you read the article above, it is clear that by 2019, Royals in Europe were infatuated with Bannon and Trump--and then Royals were rallying to counter human and women's rights.

So, clearly many, if not most in Trump's circle are long-standing members of Knights of Malta, and also continue to heavily influence DOJ, Justice, Trump & GOP to change policy that removes, or reverses human rights. You can "choose" not to read undisputed articles, or the Knights of Malta Member's own websites or SM accounts, but you can't say it is disinformation if it has never been disputed.

Plus, Knights of Malta has always had history in brutally killing thousands to 100's of thousands of civilians in Genocidal actions:
https://www.concordatwatch.eu/who-knows-the-knights-of-malta-know--k37575. There are many articles on this, and on Erik Prince/Joseph Schmitz on their violence to civilians, incl. developing security systems/AI to control Uyghurs in concentration camps for China, providing Mercenaries to Putin for his Genocides in Syria, Ukraine, etc.

It seems reasonable to me that, if Knights of Malta members, tied to Trump/Project 2025 have the money and power to work through Leo & Trump to reverse human/women's rights, it is better to know that connection up front.

[carpetbagger]

116. But is it cause or effect?

It seems that membership in the Knights of Malta is the honor given to people who are already well-established right-wing tycoons or hereditary nobility. There's no similar liberal religious organization , but the closest analogy might be Fellow in the American Association for the Advancement of Science. The work of the fellows is substantial, as is their collaboration. However, they're members because of that work, rather than the work and the collaboration being due to their membership.

[RTT]

128. I see American Assoc. for the Advancement of Science Being Different Than a Mercenary Paramilitary

It sounds like AAAS is a highly-respected association for scholars to be known for their advancements to help our World and humanity. It also seems to foster collaboration, and respect.

So, I think that AAAS & a mercenary, paramilitary organization (that continually and habitually seeks to reverse human rights) as being a much different organization. It doesn't seem to me they can even be compared in how they accept, or even recruit their members.

It is my observation that Knights of Malta does not give Knight/Dame "membership" to "honor" them. It is instead to welcome them into an elite group, like a profiling, white elite country club would. Their goals/purpose are very narrow, that aid their agenda, while (it appears to me) a Science organization like AAAS seeks for their members to have goals that mostly aid the World, while honoring the Scholars who develop/research.

[Blue Owl]

38. Best case: Kamala wins

I’d rather visualize positive energy vs. negative

[Tommy Carcetti]

45. We really did have everything, didn't we?

[betsuni]

69. Perfect scene to end the movie. What's more more important than a nice meal, conversation, friends and

family. We really did have everything.

[Doodley]

46. I doubt I would live long if Trump wins.

[DFW]

70. I doubt Trump would live long if Trump wins

He's so incoherent and mentally gone, the Republican big money would engineer the 25th Amendment before the ink was dry on the invitations to the Inaugural Ball. Vance will do as he is told. Trump won't do as he is told, because he can't remember what he was told two minutes later.

[Johonny]

47. Think great depression only less fun

Complete collapse of world order.

[Jack Valentino]

53. I would pray for a hero, someone who 'has a vision'

and has a few friends with the same vision,
because Trump wouldn't be our only problem at that point.







As for myself, I can't go anywhere else,
and have no particular talents that could be of help, unfortunately.

[valleyrogue]

54. The Project 2025 crew will pressure the cabinet to 25th amendment him,

and then the shit will really hit the fan.

I don't believe Trump will ever be re-elected. It will be scary even if he doesn't given the insanity of his followers.

[Initech]

62. Oh you know that's coming.

The billionaire psychopath fuckheads that be want the US to turn into a literal banana republic like Hungary, so they can become trillionaires and not face punishment. And JD Vance is their Viktor Orban. If the worst happens to Trump, JD Vance will assume office, and he won't leave.

[Groundhawg]

55. We stay around, and get to work.

[Initech]

64. Doing what?

We won't be able to vote them out of office no matter how hard we try. Look at Maduro or Orban. It would be a literal shit show. The propaganda is too damn strong with the MAGA crowd. It is poisoning their minds, and they cannot be changed.

Unless we dissolve Fox and revoke their broadcasting license, and give the Murdochs and Trumps and their enablers the life term prison sentences they so very much deserve, things are going to get worse. But as George Carlin said, we don't have time for rational solutions!

What do we do?

[betsuni]

75. What do you mean by "as George Carlin said, we don't have time for rational solutions!"?

Like voting? He didn't vote.

[Quiet Em]

59. The message sent would be horrific.

I would stay. I would continue to fight. But it would set us back so far, and so much. It would be awful.

People are not going to let that happen. Most of us don't want that.

[Initech]

61. What if he wins and he and Fox control all 3 branches of government.

We've already seen what a shitbag, lunatic fringe, incredibly partisan psycho circus they've turned Congress and SCOTUS into. If he got the senate, there'd be no stopping him.

He and his goons would get a blank check to enact his wildest revenge fantasies, and assume that the worst things you've heard they could do are on the table.

[Tree Lady]

63. I can't let myself go there

Right now I am hoping enough Americans are sane enough to get rid of this piece of filth.

The rare time I allow myself a few seconds to give it thought, my only thought is to crawl into a shell in my life as a senior and never talk politics again, let the grandkids take on the stress, I have high blood pressure.

Will go into nature.

[betsuni]

71. Infighting, chaos. Who'd be in charge? Who's the power? All the wealthier than average Trump voters

going to give up their comfortable lives for some kind of revolution? No way.

The 21st century is definitely not going to be the neocon dream of The American Century. It's a huge abandoned suburban mall from the seventies or eighties.

There's no savior.

[MistakenLamb]

73. You get up the next day and do your best to defend the rights of others

[betsuni]

74. Yes.

[JT45242]

76. It will be open season on all of us who have posted on this site...

We will be enemies of the state and sent to some sort of gulag or concentration camp. Maybe it will be a Chinese reeducation center from the 70s.

[betsuni]

77. How, though? U.S. military? Why?

[RJ_MacReady]

79. frankly

I have said this for a couple years blue states need to refuse to recognize his election. He is a terrorist and a traitor. The supreme court is illegitimate as well. Because if he somehow wins then the constitution has completely and utterly failed.

[anamnua]

84. If the worst comes to the worst

There is one fastly-encroaching opponent that he cannot defeat: good old Father Time.

[TBF]

98. Trump is just a symptom -

he isn't the biggest threat. They want Project 2025, and Shady Vance will be chewing at the bit to Article 25 him.

[lark]

86. tcf will not win, but he very certainly can steal the election or start a civil war, think that's really what he wants.

He keeps saying he doesn't need votes because they don't matter to him staying out of jail, stealing the election by violence would be his and Putin's preferred result.

[Martin Eden]

87. Violence would only bring more severe retribution

Violence from the left would not persuade moderates, and fascist propaganda would shout that Trump was right all along.

I also have to question the efficacy of civil disobedience and peaceful mass protests, which could be violently dispersed. Think of Kent State x1000.

We have to be smart about this. If Trump wins (which I doubt) it will be a very slim margin due to low turnout and non-maga low information voters who didn't understand or grossly underestimated the consequences of a Trump/Vance presidency.

Those consequences will negatively impact a large majority of Americans, which could be enough to convince them in the 2026 midterms and 2028 election to reject what the Republican Party has become. Hell, even big business will be hurt when the economy tanks. Some Republicans have already come out against Trump in this election, and that could escalate.

A lot depends on how effectively red states continue to suppress the vote and succeed in overturning outcomes. The current Supreme Court is unlikely to curb such illegal activities. It's a question of how quickly the R-fascists can dismantle our democratic institutions.

It also depends on how many citizens of good conscience become actively engaged in saving our republic, and how well an intelligent strategy can be coordinated. If elections are still mostly intact, we have to win by large margins.

The consequences of Trumpism will ultimately spell its demise, one way or another -- but if it isn't kicked to the curb quickly the damage will be severe and recovery very difficult.

[tinrobot]

88. The West Coast secedes

[sciencescience]

90. We don't know what Republicans would actually do. Hopefully our Democratic leaders have several contingency plans.

[Hotler]

91. Garland and his family leaves the country for some place nice, sunny, safe and free.

Mean while we'll be marched to the showers and ovens.

[Polybius]

92. Then we go Gavin 2028

Not much we can do, we can't overturn an election if Trump legitimately wins.

[TBF]

99. You are assuming there would be further elections - very naive. nt

[totodeinhere]

107. I am pretty sure there will be elections.

The question is will future elections be free and fair and not rigged. Most dictatorships have elections. But only democracies have free elections.

[TBF]

112. And you're convinced there will still be a democratic party? Again, naive. nt

[totodeinhere]

120. I didn't say they will still be a Democratic Party.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I said I think there will still be elections but I didn't say what parties would be involved.

[TBF]

123. This is minimization of what Trump is capable of

with Project 2025 and the Supreme Court in his pocket. He has already come after women w/Roe. No one is putting words in your mouth - but I will point out that minimizing what Trump is capable of is very dangerous.

[D23MIURG23]

93. We have to keep fighting however we can.

I've thought about leaving too, but if we all do that we're leaving these shits in control of the most powerful country in the world.

We are fortunate to have a direct vote in US politics. If they take that, then we have to raise hell.

When I say "however we can" I want to avoid violence if possible. I want to believe that we can solve our political problems without that. I also think our leaders are strong enough to find ways to thwart Trump.

But I do think people who care about Democracy should be prepared for violence if they are capable. If you can handle a gun, buy one and learn how to use it. If you are young and healthy, learn how to fight. I personally practice marksmanship and train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

I'll only literally fight if I'm forced to, but I don't have any faith that the Republicans are anything less than the American Nazi Party at this point. They've shown zero principle, and zero resistance to Trump's fascism. They'll do his bidding no matter what.

I won't stand for being abused, or for the abuse of people I care about.

[bottomofthehill]

101. Then the American Democratic experience takes a really odd turn.

Who knows where it takes us…..

[LuvLoogie]

102. We sell you to the highest bidder.

plus two red hats.

[RT Atlanta]

103. Underground Railroad

You're going to see lots of these type scenarios come back to life with good people working to help other people out of shitty situations. I will be part of that help too.

[totodeinhere]

105. If he wins then we continue the fight by all legal means necessary.

And we start working on the next election. And we start thinking about who will be our candidate in 2028.

[Freethinker65]

106. No federal aid to urban areas nor blue States.

Purging of all disloyal to Trump Federal workers. Dismantling of Department of Education, Labor, Housing and EPA. SCOTUS bans all regulatory agencies from regulating. Return to junk healthcare policies. Privatization of Medicare. Social Security allowed to be depleted. Public resources are sold off to private entities willing to give kickbacks to Trump.

Middle class continues to shrink as does consumer buying ability. Idiot small business owners regret their voting based on fear for a madman.

[Klarkashton]

109. It's possible that what he really wants to do is pardon himself

And he would be too much of a coward to do anything else but resign.
Who knows with that maniac.

[SocialDemocrat61]

113. Marry a Canadian

[carpetbagger]

119. Not to gloat, but my girlfriend is from Newfoundland.

Eligible for UK citizenship as well, which might be nice as my trans son is eligible for UK and EU/Irish.

[walkingman]

126. That is a gloat but congratulations! I'm jealous.

[ForgedCrank]

121. We wait

4 years and then get to work fixing whatever he's done. It will suck, but that's about it. There won't be any war and there is no reason for it either.