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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt depresses the hell out of me that people I grew up with...
...have turned into people I wouldn't tell where Anne Frank was hiding.
sunflowerseed
(325 posts)DENVERPOPS
(10,058 posts)During the Cheney/Rumsfeld era, I disowned most of my Republican lifetime friends, family, and acquaintances...
In 2016, I disowned the few remaining ones...............
Screw.Them.All..............
oldsoldierfadingfast
(67 posts)because of my inability to keep my mouth shut, they disowned me! I was happy with that at the time and still am. No great loss.
DENVERPOPS
(10,058 posts)not unlike their GRAND MAGA MASTER, they would have loved to keep me around as their beating board, or in case I could serve some useful purpose to them in the future.....
Arthur_Frain
(2,199 posts)That you are smarter that them.
hlthe2b
(106,574 posts)I can only hope we defeat it. Change it? I don't know how.
Arthur_Frain
(2,199 posts)I make a difference where I can, its a pretty small sphere of influence I possess, that and that I will vote is about what my pay grade is. Im not going to let things above that spin ,me into a depressive black hole where Im no good to anyone.
Im actually feeling pretty good just over 3 weeks out from the event, and my heart and my gut both say were going to win it, but my gut says itll be close. My heart says Ill wake up Nov 6 and tfg will be behind by at least ten million votes.
Even if Im wrong, and he either wins outright (which I think is very unlikely) or his minions in place successfully agitate to stop the election tally process, Im not giving up. If that happens we have to retrench and start over, but I will never let these shitheads sleep peacefully if that happens, I promise.
in2herbs
(3,180 posts)that tfg will have to change the minds of 5,000 HRC voters plus change the minds of any democrats and independents who have shifted away from being democrats to being cult members. I can't fathom that happening.
Arthur_Frain
(2,199 posts)Is remembering the ghastly feeling waking up to the 2016 results. Evil triumphs when the good men stand idle. Paraphrased of course.
brush
(57,943 posts)he incited an insurrection against the US government, he engineered the Dobbs ruling that snatched away women's abortion rights and bragged about it, had been convicted of 34 felonies and is awaiting sentencing, has been found guilty of sexual harrassment and the judge himself called him an ajudicated rapist, and the AG of New York won a hundreds of million dollar judgment against him and his NY properties.
I believe there are more American voters who will vote against such a despicable character, even in the battleground states, and we will rejoice on election day, or the day after once all the ballots are counted.
We should all be careful not to appear to happy when out in public after the election as the maga ts will be looking to pick fights.
But fuck them ahead of time. trump will become a two-time looser on Nov. 5.
OMGWTF
(4,465 posts)He wasn't pestering anyone for a date, he violently penetrated a woman against her will. Big fking difference.
brush
(57,943 posts)Arthur_Frain
(2,199 posts)Seriously, even with all of the election denialism, make them face the fact that they are in the minority in a very serious way.
Think about the fact that two randomly seated juries in New York found unanimously that there was A: reason to send it to trial and then B: the evidence was enough to convince all of the jury members so that the vote was unanimous. One of two conclusions I draw from this, either theyre a lot less numerous than we are scaring ourselves into believing (not one trump supporter out of twenty four with the avowal to monkey wrench the whole thing?), or when presented with unassailable facts, i.e. something like a public record of what tfg did or said without right wing news outlets favorable editing and comment, no other conclusion was possible. After its all over that may be what brings us back together. There will always be a fringe that courts the worst case scenario.
But I like your Fuck them ahead of time. Gonna steal it if thats okay with you. I got three weeks, and I need good jargon!
brush
(57,943 posts)dawg
(10,772 posts)Into the camps with her, they'd say.
lobointexas
(126 posts)My 40th high school class reunion was this weekend. I had no interest in "catching up" with those that have gone to the dark side. What really shocks me is that many of them are Hispanic.
LittleGirl
(8,463 posts)second generation Americans who are the most racist people I have ever met. I don't get it. I just look at them and want to loudly ask, do you know where your people came from and how they were treated by the locals? Come on! I get so damn angry. It's like they are criticizing my own grandparents and family afterwards and I just have to walk away. It freaking hurts to hear them talk like that.
MotownPgh
(367 posts)they were considered you know what. Total amnesia now. Still shocks me
lobointexas
(126 posts)I'm a second generation Italian, well half Italian half Slavic. I wish I could say you were wrong, but you are not. The things I heard growing up....
Actually, I'm not sure which was worse, my dad's family, the Italians, or my mom's, the Slavs.
So many friends and family are MAGA, I just don't understand it.
LittleGirl
(8,463 posts)If their parents were alive, they would have gotten bitch slapped and grounded for talking like that.
My theory is that 30+ years of bad mouthing Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich and Fox Spews brainwashing them into this cult. They also claim to be Christians, lol. They Wear flashy gold crosses around their neck and use four language spouting right wing conspiracy theories with no sense like parrots. I wanted to go out there and help elect sanity but Im afraid Ill be forced into something that can get dangerous. They are armed and angry cultists and I fear what they are going to do when they get wiped out in a month.
lobointexas
(126 posts)Unfortunately, they may have learned that behavior from them.
LittleGirl
(8,463 posts)Mr. Mustard 2023
(253 posts)and I guess that's a good trend. Misogynists are everywhere and Kamala has that burden to overcome.
WhiskeyGrinder
(24,028 posts)twodogsbarking
(12,230 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
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OneGrassRoot
(23,435 posts)You knew what the OP meant. Why so contrarian? This is a perfect example of why fewer and fewer post here, especially OPs. Inevitably someone is waiting to pounce due to semantics or other unnecessary comment.
WhiskeyGrinder
(24,028 posts)In this day of rapidly approaching fascism, thats an admission that should be examined, imo.
misanthrope
(8,284 posts)"I wouldn't tell anyone if I knew such a thing." Why? Because my complete silence would be the only way to guarantee their safety.
Never, never, never, never assume a secret is safe with anyone else. That's pretty much the definition of a secret, something you shouldn't repeat.
chicoescuela
(1,612 posts)Sad is not the right word, sickened is more accurate
BSloat
(6 posts)My reaction was disappointment and then anger. I always thought some of these people (friends) knew better.
Trump has to go. Once he is in the rear view, it will be easier for change to happen but not in what remains of my life.
chicoescuela
(1,612 posts)They are all too far gone at this point with or without trump.
It is sickening also sad I didnt see this earlier
Evolve Dammit
(18,955 posts)misanthrope
(8,284 posts)The changes I've seen in some as they've aged clarify why we grew apart initially.
twodogsbarking
(12,230 posts)BattleRow
(1,226 posts)if you weren't Catholic you were doomed to hell.
To which a friend of mine inquired ,
"Then why didn't God create us all Catholic to begin with?"
Sixty years later,she still never got an answer.
ybbor
(1,605 posts)So many have been hoodwinked. Family members, too. And were the sheep.
littlemissmartypants
(25,714 posts)COL Mustard
(6,939 posts)I have all of them as MAGATS to one degree or another. Im just glad I only see them once or twice a year.
littlemissmartypants
(25,714 posts)and I can't wait to cut her out of my life. There are other mitigating factors that I don't feel comfortable revealing publicly.
Ultimately, as soon as our parent's estate is settled, I'm history.
❤️
COL Mustard
(6,939 posts)Family can be strange sometimes. And you can't pick 'em and you grow up thinking everyone's family is like yours.
Peace to you and yours.
littlemissmartypants
(25,714 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(6,482 posts)"You choose your friends and you choose your enemies. But, family? That's in the stars!"
littlemissmartypants
(25,714 posts)Which happens to be my case. So, I'm not sure how much credit we can give to the stars.
I like Miles, though.
❤️
OldBaldy1701E
(6,482 posts)Sounds rather rather 'magical' to me.
littlemissmartypants
(25,714 posts)WestMichRad
(1,855 posts)Playingmantis
(280 posts)I think my sister grew up looking for a father figure she never had ..and I suspect Trump is it..
moniss
(6,060 posts)"Crumblin' Down". The lead line is "Well some people ain't no damn good" and that is so very, very true.
Figarosmom
(3,057 posts)And had friends that are voting for Trump. Notice I said had. And every neighbor on her block is voting Harris/ Walz because they want to protect her and her partner. The neighbors turned out to be better friends then some of the people she was friends with since grade school
BattleRow
(1,226 posts)be like if MAGATs wishes come true?
What do they envision this country to actually become?
If they hate government.why run for office..to dismantle the country, constitution,rule of law?Qui bono?
Evolve Dammit
(18,955 posts)Zambero
(9,775 posts)from the wrath and veangeful actions that their Dear Leader would surely visit onto "The Others". But as history has clearly demonstrated, it doesn't always work out that way. Unintended consequences will befall many who never saw it coming.
Wednesdays
(20,315 posts)BaronChocula
(2,519 posts)Springfield, OH is in a super red district. Springfield republicans are now victims of a republican hoax. In NC, hurricane victims are being turned against the government agencies there to help them through vindictive republican talking points.
And so on.
Republicans for Harris get it.
BattleRow
(1,226 posts)they are equal opportunity predators when it comes to victims.
Whatthe_Firetruck
(605 posts)... under their thumb or at their beck and call it would be worth to them.
Even it's only one person to lord over and feel superior to. That's just who they are.
BattleRow
(1,226 posts)of another.
A pygmy is still a pygmy..even atop the Empire State building.They aren't fooling anyone.
(Apologies to pygmies,btw.)
The Unmitigated Gall
(4,575 posts)I've found that pretty much everyone I was friends with in high school has gone with Trump.
Fuck them. I'd rather walk alone.
Puppyjive
(604 posts)Almost everyone I know who endorse Trump are ignorant, can't read beyond a headline and know nothing about current events. They seem to have financial struggles and can't get ahead in life. Why these people endorse someone who doesn't have their back is beyond me. I joined the democrats in my town. Now I am educated and feel somewhat successful in life. They encouraged to get my degree after I had been in the Air Force. They saw me struggle with pregnancy discrimination at my job and helped me fight the good fight. They volunteered to visit me when I was a new mother. A welfare check, but it was awesome. Made lifelong friends.
OMGWTF
(4,465 posts)eppur_se_muova
(37,572 posts)they can still threaten people they don't like, or just disagree with, with violence, and that makes them feel powerful.
They define themselves by who they want to beat up on -- it's their core identity.
Jmb 4 Harris-Walz
(1,049 posts)Quiet Em
(1,051 posts)One of the most depressing was a woman who was my best friend in elementary school. Awful.
MayReasonRule
(1,884 posts)He excelled in academics and sports.
He was an all around decent guy.
His current and past support of Mike Johnson, Donald Trump and the GOP is sickening.
He is no longer that all around decent guy.
The shit-heads I went to school with I expect it from...
He is a true disappointment.
I empathize.
BattleRow
(1,226 posts)by political persuasion and public opinion of Southern Louisianians.
The worst of both worlds.
And the food sucks,too!
MayReasonRule
(1,884 posts)Like anyplace you've gotta' know where the good stuff is...
The food scene here isn't Dallas or New Orleans...
Nonetheless, Shreveport and Bossier do have some excellent choices for high-quality super tasty food.
Two of our favorites when we do eat out on occasion are The Mabry House and Ki Mexico.
I do the majority of food preparation for us at home in our kitchen.
BattleRow
(1,226 posts)after south Louisiana Cajun and Creole cuisine,most would throw rocks,lol.
HOWEVER,the folks at Furr's,next door in Texas ,make the ultimate chicken fried steak!
ArkansasDemocrat1
(3,213 posts)I usually make it myself or cheat with Zatarain's gumbo base when the Gumbo craving becomes irresistible. Nothing store bought tastes right. And it has to have sliced okra, shrimp and chicken.
BattleRow
(1,226 posts)ArkansasDemocrat1
(3,213 posts)BattleRow
(1,226 posts)Great resource for authentic Cajun and Creole foodstuffs..they ship anywhere,too.
Bonappetit!
ArkansasDemocrat1
(3,213 posts)BattleRow
(1,226 posts)OMGWTF
(4,465 posts)We became friends on Facebook, and I had to unfollow her the very next day. The nasty shit she was posting dissing Harris and Walz really pissed me off. Fuck her and everyone like her. They bring nothing to the table but hatred and ignorance. I would rather be dead than be like them.
WestMichRad
(1,855 posts)
about not having attended my recent 50th class reunion. I did visit a reunion several years earlier and saw first hand what most of them had become. Never again will they see me.
Im so glad to be in the company of good people here at DU!
ArkansasDemocrat1
(3,213 posts)Anyone I was still friends with from school has passed. I have no desire to waste my money and time.
Freddie
(9,725 posts)Was a couple weeks ago. The only person Im really friends with from my class was away on vacation and I just didnt care about seeing anyone else.
SupportSanity
(1,163 posts)I'm not doing anything before the election. I'm not getting into it with anybody from there. Maybe next year.....
Also, I saw way back when how dangerous facebook could be. And it has lived down to my expectations. I know a lot of people live on it, but I think that in the coming years, if Kamala wins, that we will find out just how culpable Zuckerberg has been. And the cost of connecting via a system that is mostly unregulated.
I would love to be connected.
After we win.
I went to my 40th HS class reunion in May of 2015 & friended a bunch of old classmates. A month or so later Trump declared & by the end of the year I'd unfriended almost all of them.
LuckyCharms
(19,084 posts)Virtually all of the people I thought were fucking assholes way back when turned out to be Trump supporters.
My gut was correct.
But also, even some of the people I really liked turned into Trump supporters.
Yes, it is depressing.
ShazzieB
(18,854 posts)But I'm grateful that my sil passed away before the rise of Trump.
She was very conservative and had narrow-minded views about a lot of things, so she would probably have been ripe for the picking if she'd still been around when he rode down that golden escalator. My bil (her and my husband's brother) was very liberal like us, but there was a whole list of topics that were never discussed in her presence (including my bil being a closeted gay man). I'm afraid MAGA would have been the proverbial last straw.
She died in 2012, at the age of 82. She was in extremely poor heath by that time and more than ready to go, so on that score, her death was a blessing of sorts. The fact that she left us a few years before the rise of Trump feels like a bullet dodged, on top of everything else.
Ohioboy
(3,487 posts)To MAGA it's as if not following Trump is a crime. They want to have tribunals for people like Liz Cheney.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,637 posts)Got on the Ron Paul bandwagon because he was "pro pot". Then started collecting guns and listening to weird radio shows.
I dropped him when he called the Obergfell ruling "Dead F**s Day", but I still creep on his Facebook page occasionally. It's all John Birch Society bullshit now (he even has a photo of himself giving JBS pamphlets to the QANON Shaman at TPUSA last year), with plenty of references to Venezuelan gangs in Colorado, and multiple defenses of the dog-eating accusations in Ohio.
And a ton of transphobic bullshit. If I want to know what is bubbling up in QANON/MAGA-Land, his FB feed is a pretty good source of the craziest.
SupportSanity
(1,163 posts)(I had just come back from grocery shopping and was carrying my bags from the car.)
He said it twice trying to lure me out.
I replied to him "Yeh, ever since the pandemic started the grocery prices have been crazy!". He walked away.
Not looking to start anything. Thinking that things will be VERY different after November 5th.
Hopefully with Trump in the rear view mirror.
And then these arguments will be a non starter. Can't wait.
Skittles
(159,949 posts)these people have no ability to think for themselves
SupportSanity
(1,163 posts)The stakes in this election are incredibly astronomically impossibly high.
kerry-is-my-prez
(9,346 posts)Not to be a snob but I see that the people who I grew up with who are Trumpsters and were for George W Bush were not the brightest bulbs in the tree and went to inferior colleges. I have a couple of friends who had genius IQs and a lot that were highly intelligent who are all liberal.
Elessar Zappa
(16,037 posts)oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Good at their jobs, but then say they'll vote for this POS
Skittles
(159,949 posts)it dismays me how many people would gleefully turn people in
samplegirl
(12,120 posts)I would have taken a Ukrainian if they needed help.
I did apply.
Initech
(102,272 posts)Trump and Fox are totally killing this country.
hay rick
(8,261 posts)They are irredeemable and you know it. They made their choices and it's not your fault. Don't blame yourself for discarding a friendship- hold the friend responsible for discarding their decency. If the people you refer to as "people I grew up with" are family members, know that you have a lot of company in that sad situation.
littlemissmartypants
(25,714 posts)"...hold the friend responsible for discarding their decency."
❤️
ArkansasDemocrat1
(3,213 posts)You owe them nothing.
TNNurse
(7,148 posts)He tells stories with the recipes. One is about his kids getting to know a Jewish neighbor. Essentially he says he wanted to raise children "who would hide Jews". I did not have children, but feel I would have tried to do the same thing.
SupportSanity
(1,163 posts)I didn't know he had a cookbook. In the movie "The Prince of Tides", he does a lot of cooking in it.
He thinks and remembers while he cooks.
And there is a great scene from his childhood. His mother was always trying out new fancy French
recipes as she was using the food as a way moving up -- social climbing. Her husband, a shrimper, would have none of that and at the dinner table with the family there, loudly demanded she make him plain American food.
She went back into the kitchen to make his plain meal, and with the children helping, opened up a large can of dog food, cooking it as the meat base, adding onions and other ingredients to make it a plain American meal. The husband was completely satisfied. And while he was eating, the father had to brush off the dog who also was also trying to eat his dog food.
I'll bet the recipes are good!
TNNurse
(7,148 posts)I treasure my copy.
The stories are as good as the recipes...no surprise.
Martin68
(24,654 posts)about other people when I was growing up. But sometimes, if you think about its, there were signs...
Tikki
(14,796 posts)our High School Reunions and find a Progressive, Liberal or Democratic Voter in the bunch.
The current repug who is running for Congress in our former home town
area is a real fascist. He will win.
The Tikkis
p.s. We left there a long time ago.
Tweedy
(1,201 posts)Take them to a beautiful place that you both once frequented
And be kind and decent.
If they are not in return, ask them what has made them miserable? Remind them, if you can still remember it, what a bright, happy person they once were.
Dont mention Mr. Trump, his hate or his weirdness. Maybe they can be retrieved from the quicksand of miserableness that is sucking them dry. It is never too late, I hope and pray, for any one of us.
All of that said, never tell them where Anne Frank is hiding.
ColoradoHoosier
(27 posts)...written in 1955 by American journalist Milton Mayer. This is one of a series of interviews Mr. Mayer conducted during a year long visit to post-war Germany, in an attempt to provide some insight into how ordinary German people were caught up in the nationalistic fervor of the Nazi movement.
"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop."
"You see, one doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow.
"...But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and the smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked. But of course this isn't the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D."
"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self deception has grown too heavy, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in your nation, your people is not the world you were in at all."
And as Mayer cautions in his book:
"I came back home a little afraid for my country, afraid of what it might want, and get, and like, under pressure of combined reality and illusion. I felt - and feel - that it was not "German Man" that I had met, but "Man". He happened to be in Germany under certain conditions. He might be here, under certain conditions. He might, under certain conditions, be I."
CousinIT
(10,362 posts)... are MAGAts. I looked them up on Facebutt when I had an account (I've long ago shut it down). Every damn one, including one who was my best friend -- are now Trump-humpers or Libertarian idiots.