Netanyahu mulls plan to empty northern Gaza of civilians and cut off aid to those left inside

[WhiskeyGrinder]

https://apnews.com/article/hamas-israel-generals-plan-eiland-gaza-219d7eb9a3050e281ccc032d5a56263c

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is examining a plan to seal off humanitarian aid to northern Gaza in an attempt to starve out Hamas militants, a plan that, if implemented, could trap without food or water hundreds of thousands of Palestinians unwilling or unable to leave their homes.

Israel has issued many evacuation orders for the north throughout the yearlong war, the most recent of which was Sunday. The plan proposed to Netanyahu and the Israeli parliament by a group of retired generals would escalate the pressure, giving Palestinians a week to leave the northern third of the Gaza Strip, including Gaza City, before declaring it a closed military zone.

Those who remain would be considered combatants — meaning military regulations would allow troops to kill them — and denied food, water, medicine and fuel, according to a copy of the plan given to The Associated Press by its chief architect, who says the plan is the only way to break Hamas in the north and pressure it to release the remaining hostages.

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Human rights groups say the plan would likely starve civilians and that it flies in the face of international law, which prohibits using food as a weapon and forcible transfers. Accusations that Israel is intentionally limiting food to Gaza are central to the genocide case brought against it at the International Court of Justice, charges Israel denies.

[brush]

1. God. A second Nakba. Like we didn't know it was going to come to that after all the utter demolishment..

Developers are pouring over maps for seaside villas as we speak.

Shame.

[ananda]

8. Yes, it's been obvious that this was the plan.

Wrong on just so many levelsl

[Autumn]

2. Was his little visit to Trump a meeting to decide which properties would be available

for his resorts and casinos?

[malaise]

3. I'm shocked I tell yah

NOT

[CoopersDad]

11. I'm so sick of this shit.

And the ways this behavior is defended. It's genocide, clearly.

[Dave Bowman]

13. "the ways this behavior is defended"

Yeah, always the same little bunch if fanatics.

[kimbutgar]

4. He is so evil and hateful

I’m hoping karma pays him a visit sooner rather than later.

[Dem4life1234]

17. I despise that man

I am so sick of these evil ass leaders

[msongs]

5. is netanyahu reading his 1940s history books for advice nt

[soandso]

6. Surrender or starve

The suspicion among Palestinians, the UN and relief agencies is that the IDF is gradually adopting some or all of a new tactic to clear northern Gaza known as the "Generals’ Plan". It was proposed by a group of retired senior officers led by Maj-Gen (ret) Giora Eiland, who is a former national security adviser.

Giora Eiland believes Israel should have done a deal straight away to get the hostages back, even if it meant pulling out of Gaza entirely. A year later, other methods, he says, are necessary.

“Since we already encircled the northern part of Gaza in the past nine or 10 months, what we should do is the following thing to tell all the 300,000 residents [that the UN estimates is 400,000] who still live in the northern part of Gaza that they have to leave this area and they should be given 10 days to leave through safe corridors that Israel will provide.
"And after that time, all this area will become to be a military zone. And all the Hamas people will still, though, whether some of them are fighters, some of them are civilians… will have two choices either to surrender or to starve."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1e82yy0wxno

I agree with the general that Israel should have negotiated and gotten the hostages back, immediately. This surrender or starve plan will kill many innocents who, for whatever reason, cannot leave. Plus, they have Hamas warning them not to leave or they won't be allowed back. Innocent people can be family members of Hamas fighters or simply have older family too frail to clear out.

[AloeVera]

7. They're already starving.

No food or aid going in since Oct 1st.

Many won't be able to leave, too sick, wounded, weak or old. Others would be afraid to leave for fear of geting killed on the way or never being allowed back. Not like that's never happened.

They will be mowed down like prey.

Those god-awful cursed settlements will be built on top of their corpses.

This plan is more barbarism. I don't hold out much hope now that anyone is going to stop this stain on humanity that is the Gaza genocide.

[brush]

10. A pariah nation. Isreal will never live this down if it happens. What has been done is already horrible enough.

[AloeVera]

15. Who will stop Israel?

There seems no stopping the atrocities and the immense suffering. The UN is toothless and the powerful countries are in thrall to their ideology, their war machines and geostrategic interests. I'm also beginning to think the coming larger war is happening not just because Israel wants it, nor simply through Israel's machinations or plans. That thought is demoralizing to say the least.

And I just saw a human being burning alive in a tent for the displaced on the grounds of a hospital. Looked like a young patient, with the IV tube still attached. He was moving in the flames, that was the worst.

Where is there to go from here, when burning patients alive and decapitating kids is the new normal? Or when these atrocities are defended as a necessary evil whereas they are just plain evil?

I only wonder if these defenders and enablers will have second thoughts after the mushroom cloud over Tehran and everything else that follows.

[Beastly Boy]

16. If you want the atrocities to end, you are not asking the right questions.

The issue is not stopping Israel. The issue is stopping Islamist fundamentalists from attacking Israel.

That has been the issue all along, and no amount of moral outrage porn will ever change it.

You know this, and yet it doesn't find any reflection in any of your posts. Makes me wonder if your calls to end the atrocities are sincere. Get serious for once.

[Sky Jewels]

20. Israeli terrorists need to stop attacking Palestinians as well.

Just because your own team commits atrocities against multi-thousands of innocents doesn't mean they're not atrocities.

I said the same thing when the United States slaughtered and maimed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis.

[msfiddlestix]

26. Hear, Hear. Me too and millions of others around the world. No matter how much we demonstrated our

opposition, our outrage, our demands for the invasion never happen, and then to end it, just fell on deaf ears, ignored completely.

[AloeVera]

27. Yes, we were the minority and reviled, insulted and ridiculed.

It all repeats.

And just like the last time, we will turn out to be right again. No consolation, just a heap of sadness and a big dollop of despair.

[msfiddlestix]

39. Yes. All the years, decades really of voting, signing petitions, putting our bodies on the line in demos

conversations, LTE's, "thoughts and prayers" for the slain and wounded, it's just been beyond sad, despair , depression, rage. Cut the cable cord, immersed myself in my music , focused on that as my main focus, no tv broadcast news, just come to DU for the headlines because I still need to know generally what's going on to a point. Right now, I'm feeling enthusiastic and hopeful to the extent of potential victory in our upcoming elections which I expect will make a significant difference, but reality check reminds me we have lunatics in the seats of Congress and the supreme court. there's a lot to overcome. Back to my music !!!

[AloeVera]

28. Not religious, but..

Reminds me of the warning against hypocrisy in the Bible. Something about casting the beam out of your own eye so you can cast out the mote in your brother's eye.

[Beastly Boy]

29. Not sure who you are referring to.

I was about to agree with you in reference to the Israeli settlers on the West bank, but then you mentioned atrocities against multi-thousands of innocents, which I suspect is a reference to Gazan civilians.

If this is what you are referring to, I already addressed this in the post you replied to. Israel is not attacking civilians in Gaza. They are attacking Hamas, and I hope you do not expect me to get apologetic in this respect, because I will not. What you are disregarding, and you are not alone, is contained in the post you replied to:

"The issue is stopping Islamist fundamentalists from attacking Israel. That has been the issue all along, and no amount of moral outrage porn will ever change it."

A deflection to Israel without acknowledging Hamas role in consciously and deliberately, as a matter of their strategic doctrine which their leaders repeatedly bragged about on the record, turning civilian areas into war zones, again and again, despite knowing full well what they are doing (or more likely BECAUSE they do), will do nothing but embolden the perpetrators of the atrocities you are objecting to.

Only when you acknowledge the root source of the atrocities can you gain the perspective and the standing to comment on whose team is committing them.

[Rob H.]

30. "Israel is not attacking civilians in Gaza.."

The IDF has been deliberately targeting aid workers, journalists, and children, so that claim’s not only laughable, it flies in the face of objective reality.

[Beastly Boy]

32. Israel has documentation, which they had opportunities to present on numerous occasions,

that aid workers and journalists you are referring to were Hamas affiliates.

As far as Israel deliberately targeting children, I have yet to see legitimate evidence of it.

So yeah, I am laughing in someone's face, but is certainly not the face of objective reality.

[AloeVera]

34. Over 10,000 pieces of evidence, comprised of the corpses of dead children.

Not good enough for ya?

[Beastly Boy]

35. Yes, it certainly is evidence. Evidence comprised of the corpses of children.

Question is, evidence of what? Evidence of Israel deliberately targeting children? You must be joking.

Certainly the dead corpses themselves are no evidence of anything other than the presence of dead corpses. It doesn't establish the totality of circumstances of their deaths. Even when causes of their deaths are established, this doesn't establish the circumstances of their deaths, or who the guilty party to this crime is.

Meanwhile, we have confessions from Hamas leaders that "martyring" Gazan children had been their intent from the very start. It was their expressed intent to hide terrorists and their military assets among children, so that when those assets are legitimately targeted and eliminated, no child escapes the retribution intended for the terrorists and hostage takers. A friggin confession to the crime, for gawds sake!

This is evidence too, don't you know? Just as the corpses of dead children are evidence. Evidence that you stubbornly and consistently overlook. Your immediate presumption? Israel! Evidence be damned.

Doesn't this intentional partiality temper your professed sensibilities? Does your peculiar discretion in picking and choosing only the evidence to your liking and discarding the rest not undermine your own professed principles?

Once again, the presence of children in an active war zone was Hamas' intent, not Israel's. And I know you know what this means as far as international law goes because I informed you of this law too many times to remember.

[AloeVera]

38. I read your post. I remain sane. Pat myself on the back. N/T

[Beastly Boy]

43. Of course you will pat yourself on the back! I expected no less.

All the Gazan children you pretend to care about will be eternally grateful to you for your sanity, if not for their lives. So will the terrorists who count on you to remain just as sane as you are now.

[AloeVera]

45. I'm impervious now to the gaslighting, DARVO and projection of Israel's flying-monkeys.

It used to make me ill, now it rarely elicits even the tiniest sigh.

Have a nice day.

[Beastly Boy]

46. What a coincidence, so am I!

And that includes flying monkeys of even the most conspicuous and vocal variety.

However, there is one thing you are not impervious to. Revealing what is being conceal behind bouts of performative outrage. And these revelations will challenge you, impervious or not.

[Sky Jewels]

31. Israel is indeed slaughtering innocent civilians ... by the multi thousands.

They've bombed schools, hospitals, apartments, you name it. They don't give a shit. They are basically leveling the place, probably so it will be free of those pesky non-Israeli humans and Bibi & Friends can take it over and build beachfront resorts on the rubble.

Let's face it, Netanyahu's brutal Gaza "response" has nothing to do with hostage recovery.

[Beastly Boy]

33. When a school has armed terrorists or rocket launchers in it, it is no longer a school.

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As per international law, it is a legitimate military target. Ditto for hospital buildings, apartment buildings, etc.

As per internarional law, the responsibility for safeguarding civilian lives in these locations lies, and I quote from the Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 29, "The Party to the conflict in whose hands protected persons may be, is responsible for the treatment accorded to them
by its agents, irrespective of any individual responsibility which may be incurred."

This means that not only individual terrorists in those schools, hospitals, etc. are responsible for the civilians in their care, but Hamas, as their agent, is responsible as well.

The blood of those civilians is on them.

And as far as Netanyahu and the hostages, I have a few choice words for him, but those words have nothing to do with the subject at hand. I don't easily get distracted by shiny objects.

[Mountainguy]

40. Hamas propaganda

Will say that every building in Gaza is a school, daycare, hospital, or nursing home.

[Rob H.]

41. Yep, he made his plans clear at the UN less than a month ago

Netanyahu Shows Map of 'New Middle East'—Without Palestine—to UN General Assembly
"Netanyahu made clear with his little map today what normalization really seeks: eliminating Palestine... from the region and legitimizing greater Israel, all with the blessing of Arab regimes," one critic said.

Brett Wilkins
Sep 22, 2023

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu angered Palestinians and their defenders Friday after presenting a map of "The New Middle East" without Palestine during his speech to the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

Speaking to a largely empty chamber, Netanyahu—whose far-right government is widely considered the most extreme in Israeli history—showed a series of maps, including one that did not show the West Bank, East Jerusalem, or Gaza. These Palestinian territories have been illegally occupied by Israel since 1967, with the exception of Gaza—from which Israeli forces withdrew in 2005, while maintaining an economic stranglehold over the densely populated coastal strip.

Middle East Eye reported Netanyahu also held up a map of "Israel in 1948"—the year the modern Jewish state was established, largely through the ethnic cleansing of more than 750,000 Arabs—that erroneously included the Palestinian territories as part of Israel.

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[madashelltoo]

9. Sentencing hostages to certain death.

And, he couldn’t care less.

[Onthefly]

12. Genocide.

[leftstreet]

14. DURec

[Rob H.]

18. Morning K&R nt

[Sky Jewels]

19. Pure evil.

The apologists for this genocide are really twisting themselves into hypocritical pretzels.

[Nanjeanne]

21. Everything that is happening now is just breaking my spirit. I avoid posting on this any more because my

heart is cracked. My family is seriously considering moving back to the US. They have worked so hard with peace activists in Israel, they have seen some close to them die on Oct 7, they have seen Palestinian friends attacked by settlers, they have stood out in the streets with hostage families demanding a deal - they have written to President Biden begging for leverage to be used against Bibi, they are exhausted. They are fearful of what the new wars in Lebanon and possibly Iran will mean for their safety. I haven't been in Israel since May and I fear I will never go back. I do my best not to give in to utter hopelessness. I'm not sure I'm winning.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

22. It's called ethnic cleansing.

[msfiddlestix]

23. Let us not be surprised, disgusted yes, but this has been the goal for nearly a century. Actually, over a century.

[Johnny2X2X]

24. Israel is no longer our ally

The sooner our leaders understand that, the better off the US will be.

Bibi has no respect for the law and is actively working to over throw our democracy. It's past time the US cuts Israel loose totally.

[electric_blue68]

37. I don't think we can really do that. Israel has a right to exist...

And too many Arabs still want them gone.

Israel is more than just the RW'rs.Yes, I know they prevail right now. Look at those tens of thousands protesting against Bibi.

Look at the poster here who knows Israeli peace activists there and their Palestian counterparts. Those people have been around for decades working, trying their best. I know bc I've read articles from time to time for decades.

I hate Hamas, and Hezbola, and I hate the RW settlers who've run roughshod over the Palestians in the West Bank.

It feels like a Gordian Knot of a problem.

I do President Biden can find some other ways to pressure Netanyahu!

[malaise]

25. And the West is

‘Concerned’.
Yeah right

[Rob H.]

42. They'll be sending Netanyahu a sternly-worded letter anytime now nt

[electric_blue68]

36. He's so awful.

[bdamomma]

44. Disgusting is more like

it. Netanyahu is a murderer. Nothing is being said about the hostages.