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Mindbendingly absurd... (Original Post) HarveyDarkey Dec 2012 OP
Please tell me this book is filed under 'Humor'. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #1
Nope... Wait Wut Dec 2012 #3
Jeez, there is so much mindbending absurdity on just that page alone. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #14
as crazy as this would be gumby100 Dec 2012 #24
Oh right, it's "out of print" now. Archae Dec 2012 #28
With right wingers these days, it's so hard to tell what is real and what is satire... WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #36
I am not sure that the right wing is capable of satire. SheilaT Dec 2012 #45
To be fair, it's entirely possible to troll DU with an Onion article Fumesucker Dec 2012 #62
Welcome to DU and I hope you enjoy the site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #37
To be clear gcomeau Dec 2012 #131
My favorite DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #34
No, The Comedy Gold... WiffenPoof Dec 2012 #128
Hmm, that's the sobering tragic part, in my opinion. Quantess Dec 2012 #143
Book, no. Image, Yes. It's from a parody of ham's self-parody of a book. JHB Dec 2012 #63
it's especially difficult to tell when the OP says the page is from Ham's book & gives no link to HiPointDem Dec 2012 #108
Perhaps (and perhaps only sloppieness). However, after 30 years... JHB Dec 2012 #124
You'd think that the bible might include a chapter on Dinosaurs. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #2
But, but, but, acording to a creationist apologist commentator, the Bible mentions "dragons" or catbyte Dec 2012 #9
Haha ... I have heard that ... my response to it has basically been ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #11
Read your Bible again Clinecrowd5 Dec 2012 #75
Oh, I've read JOB ... not buying it. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #133
Anyone that has seen The Flintstones would know that dinosaurs and humans worked together. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #4
The brontosauruses, for example, were good for quarrying Art_from_Ark Dec 2012 #115
That was poor design and lack of government oversight OriginalGeek Dec 2012 #119
What's the gorilla supposed to be doing? Playing the lute? "Mouth Baseball"? What?!? And what's with catbyte Dec 2012 #5
What about Eve's pose? hootinholler Dec 2012 #13
They hadn't invented high heels yet, so she had to stand that way to jeff47 Dec 2012 #23
What a dolt. frogmarch Dec 2012 #6
Dinosaurs making lemonade? LiberalEsto Dec 2012 #7
They forgot to add the unicorns! n/t LeftinOH Dec 2012 #8
All I can say is sarisataka Dec 2012 #10
I am no dumber Hayabusa Dec 2012 #12
Big razor-sharp teeth and claws are for...harvesting lemons. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #15
But but but malaise Dec 2012 #126
I sure hope this is a senior year science book Bandit Dec 2012 #16
If them Dinosaurs were so peaceful and playful, then why the dagger like teeth and big sharp claws? RC Dec 2012 #17
Ken Ham is a con artist. Archae Dec 2012 #18
its people like you that give atheists a bad name. gumby100 Dec 2012 #25
It doesn't say it in the Bible. But Ken Ham does. Archae Dec 2012 #26
And you believe that there billh58 Dec 2012 #27
It is. Archae Dec 2012 #30
true gumby100 Dec 2012 #38
And the "real page" is different..how? Archae Dec 2012 #41
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #42
"Never contradicts itself?" Archae Dec 2012 #43
there is no paragraph about 'scientists', homosexual, and scared children. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #116
You believe that Dinosaurs made lemonade for Eve is in the bible? Sheepshank Dec 2012 #32
no gumby100 Dec 2012 #40
Ken, honey Tsiyu Dec 2012 #56
On second read billh58 Dec 2012 #33
oops gumby100 Dec 2012 #39
You're a fucking idiot Tsiyu Dec 2012 #57
you are why we have an Ignore button SCantiGOP Dec 2012 #66
Bwahahahaha! hifiguy Dec 2012 #70
So Able and Cain had incestuous relationships with ol' mom Eve then, huh? Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #73
No, he just shows people dispersing from the Tower of Babel on Gallimimus-back JHB Dec 2012 #46
Where has Ken found evidence of harnesses and riding baskets for... JHB Dec 2012 #65
Ken Ham gives sentient life-forms a bad name. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #47
More than some of the young folks even realize WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #53
Please don't insult our future primate overlords! Rex Dec 2012 #121
Why do I get the feeling that's disingenuous? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #48
Talk about deceitful....I see you published HarveyDarky's OP picture w/o reference Old and In the Way Dec 2012 #52
if it's from a satire site, why not link it in the OP, instead of representing it as Ham's original? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #111
Says the troll. Rex Dec 2012 #122
Mister Ham, can I share the good news with you? Taverner Dec 2012 #134
the OP is the only one conning anyone. the paragraph you quote is a photoshop. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #105
Ever hear of "Poe's Law?" It applies to this satire. Archae Dec 2012 #107
The OP represents it as Ham's original & provides no link to the satire page. There is no way HiPointDem Dec 2012 #110
Stupidity at that level is proof that there is no god. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #19
I went to a private parochial school when I was young Xyzse Dec 2012 #20
Do I need to explain to you what these people believe about catholics? JHB Dec 2012 #59
No, I just find myself insulted by such an author. Xyzse Dec 2012 #60
Yikes. Solly Mack Dec 2012 #21
Look how happy they all are! Wait Wut Dec 2012 #22
if this isn't the onion, it should be.....'because they want to scare children' spanone Dec 2012 #29
that paragraph was photoshopped in. the OP has still not seen fit to correct his attribution of HiPointDem Dec 2012 #113
This absurdity clearly puts to rest any attempt at credibility by creationists Sheepshank Dec 2012 #31
maybe you should bookmark the real page instead of this photoshopped one. the OP misrepresents HiPointDem Dec 2012 #109
No.........No, I'm good with the lesson I originally planned. Sheepshank Dec 2012 #146
In the interest of fairness.... WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #35
I went to the link as well. GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #49
Yes, the image in the OP is from the satire site Daily Bleach rather than Ham's actual book... JHB Dec 2012 #50
ham posted the original text on his facebook page. the entire paragraph about scientists is fake. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #82
fairness? honesty? don't look for it on this thread. DU-ers often complain about faux news, HiPointDem Dec 2012 #106
It isn't that far off what Ham thinks. JoeyT Dec 2012 #125
Wow, you are all over the road with that one... Rex Dec 2012 #132
Somebody needs to clue Mr. Ham in Amaril Dec 2012 #44
"Mindbendingly absurd" as the original may be, your OP misrepresents the original, Harvey.... Melinda Dec 2012 #51
Here is a link to the billh58 Dec 2012 #55
yep, fakery makes people distrustful, and it's dirty pool besides. don't like it. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #84
And selling Creationism billh58 Dec 2012 #89
the OP misrepresents what the book says. The OP is a lie. I don't know if the person who HiPointDem Dec 2012 #103
for entertainment. Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #137
I like how scientist is in quotations... is this for real? Initech Dec 2012 #54
That part isn't (directly, that is)... JHB Dec 2012 #61
no. the text has been altered and we fell for it. including me. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #81
Did you also fall billh58 Dec 2012 #87
If the playful dinosaurs are the object of scorn, why not post the original without the fake text? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #112
No actually spare me your billh58 Dec 2012 #129
Surely that cannot be serious...?? truebrit71 Dec 2012 #58
photoshopped. the original doesn't include the paragraph about homosexuals, etc. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #117
That's a photoshop... SidDithers Dec 2012 #64
Too late (see links somewhere above for Ham's FB page) JHB Dec 2012 #71
Looks like Adam and the gorilla are sharing a Meaningful Glance. gkhouston Dec 2012 #83
You can't polish a turd, Beavis. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #91
His material requires no distortion. WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #95
Yup. That was my point... SidDithers Dec 2012 #96
the big 'DailyBleach.com' didn't give it away? Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #136
Why do his herbavore dinosaurs all have carnivore teeth? Marrah_G Dec 2012 #67
This is no more wrong than any other religious belief cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #68
wow there is a ton of them d_r Dec 2012 #69
And here is Ken's billh58 Dec 2012 #72
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #74
Ham is that you? Rex Dec 2012 #77
Wow, Adam and Eve are incredibly white!! Rex Dec 2012 #76
adam's beard and stache look salon-trimmed. possibly the gorilla. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #78
I think I see a Sharper Image store Rex Dec 2012 #79
apparently the page you posted isn't the original text. (as would be more obvious if we weren't HiPointDem Dec 2012 #80
please delete your post or correct the op, because this is not the original text -- it's fake. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #85
Uh, it's satire billh58 Dec 2012 #86
Dude, it is definitely satire, but the OP is treating it as though it is straight from the book... yawnmaster Dec 2012 #90
Who fucking cares? billh58 Dec 2012 #93
That may be, in fact, true, but it has nothing to do with the OP being incorrect... yawnmaster Dec 2012 #100
yep, it's funny, & even funnier are the characters like 'bill' running around saying the misrepre- HiPointDem Dec 2012 #114
it's not satire. it's a photo-shop that misrepresents what is actually on that page. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #104
Actually, out of billh58 Dec 2012 #130
hard to miss the big 'DailyBleach.com' in the image Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #135
Dinos loved lemons Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #88
so what? he put a picture of a dinosaur eating lemons in a kids' book for fundies. oooooh, how HiPointDem Dec 2012 #118
Yeah, someone substituted an idiotic block of text for the equally idiotic block of text that was Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #120
I'd like to dedicate this song to DU's newest friend, Mr. Ken Ham: Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #92
LOL! That was Great! Wonderful lyrics and some fine pickin. :) n/t adirondacker Dec 2012 #94
lol! Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #97
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #98
However, when it came to the Flood... sakabatou Dec 2012 #99
Why did God decide to destroy such beautiful creatures? Xipe Totec Dec 2012 #101
Funniest DU thread ever! sellitman Dec 2012 #102
Then the big cats came after the friendly dinosaurs? fadedrose Dec 2012 #123
ROFLMAO and can't stop! RegieRocker Dec 2012 #127
KEN HAM IMPLEMENTS TAKE DOWN NOTICE EvilEvolutionist Dec 2012 #138
Wow, what a clever way to promote this thread! gkhouston Dec 2012 #144
Maybe Ham can retain the services of Righthaven. I hear they are not busy. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #145
I understand that is a parody... Quantess Dec 2012 #139
Ken Ham is either sincere Vanje Dec 2012 #140
I know, I just checked out his facebook page. Quantess Dec 2012 #141
Unfortunately, he's dead serious... countryjake Dec 2012 #142
Wondering where the picture went? EvilEvolutionist Dec 2012 #147
That's fine as we billh58 Dec 2012 #148
It is still there Vanje Dec 2012 #149
 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
28. Oh right, it's "out of print" now.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:03 PM
Dec 2012

How long was it in print?

Is there a new edition?
If so, what (supposedly) replaces that stupid paragraph about "atheists and homosexuals" wanting to scare kids?

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
45. I am not sure that the right wing is capable of satire.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:41 PM
Dec 2012

Certainly they don't recognize it well, as witness how often they take an Onion article for serious journalism.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
131. To be clear
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:26 PM
Dec 2012

...the text in this image is not the original, yes. It's mocking Ham.

But Ham DID publish a book called "Dinosaurs in Eden". And it DID make the argument that things like carnivorous dinosaurs spent their days side by side with Adam and Eve doing things like eating bananas. And then later on people riding them around with the freaking Pyramids in the background.

THIS



...is an *actual* page from the book. Right from Amazon. as is this:



He absolutely is a nutcase.

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
34. My favorite
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:15 PM
Dec 2012

"When my 3 year old son told me dinosaurs weren't around at the same time as people, I explained to him (again) that God created the dinosaurs the same time as all the other animals. Many died during the flood. There were dinosaurs on the ark. Probably many dinosaurs that came off the ark were killed off by knights."

And to think, those people walk the same sidewalks as do the rest of us.

WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
128. No, The Comedy Gold...
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:39 AM
Dec 2012

...Is the word "again". As in he had to tell his child "again". Apparently, the first few times didn't take. LOLOL

JHB

(38,213 posts)
63. Book, no. Image, Yes. It's from a parody of ham's self-parody of a book.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:56 PM
Dec 2012

Here's a link to the Daily Bleach parody article. Not that it's easy to distinguish the parody from the reality. There just isn't that much space between them.

http://dailybleach.com/why-are-liberals-stealing-our-childrens-dinosaur-lemonade/

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
108. it's especially difficult to tell when the OP says the page is from Ham's book & gives no link to
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:58 PM
Dec 2012

the parody site.

in fact, i'd say that's deliberate misrepresentation.

JHB

(38,213 posts)
124. Perhaps (and perhaps only sloppieness). However, after 30 years...
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:38 AM
Dec 2012

...of seeing the sort of outright lying dirtbags creationists can be, I find my potential outrage at the OP is severely limited.

Misrepresentation, usually through delusion but very often deliberate, is their stock in trade.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
2. You'd think that the bible might include a chapter on Dinosaurs.
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 04:54 PM
Dec 2012

I mean the Apatosaurus left HUGE dung piles.

You'd think the bible would mention those dung piles and how bad they smelled.

The Camel has MANY references in the bible. T-Rex, not one mention. Apatosaurus, not one mention.

catbyte

(39,153 posts)
9. But, but, but, acording to a creationist apologist commentator, the Bible mentions "dragons" or
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:27 PM
Dec 2012

"terrible lizards" so that MUST mean they saw dinosaurs. Geeze, JoePhilly, get with the program.



JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
11. Haha ... I have heard that ... my response to it has basically been ...
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:35 PM
Dec 2012

Wait ... so the bible talks about Camels, multiple times ... but then its only mention of Dinosaurs is to refer to them as "Great Lizards"??

This makes no sense ... The diversity of Dinosaurs should have led to more mentions of these creatures. The bible makes direct references to many specific animals. You'd think that the Stegosaurus would get mentioned. T-Rez had huge teeth, walked on 2 legs, and had two apparently useless, chicken arms.

At some point, some biblical tribe should have used Aptosaurous dung to make a house, or a defensive wall.

But no ... the bible is fixated on camels. Long neck, a couple humps ... NOTHING compared to some of the dinosaurs that humans, according to the crazies, domesticated.

 

Clinecrowd5

(2 posts)
75. Read your Bible again
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:03 PM
Dec 2012

there are 2 mentions of dinosuars in the Bible...but they are not called Dinosaurs because that is a "new" word. Both Bohemoth and Leviathan are mentioned in the book of Job! read their descriptions! One resembles a swimming creature and other resembles an Apatasaurus.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
133. Oh, I've read JOB ... not buying it.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:54 PM
Dec 2012

The Behemoth sounds much more like an elephant or Hippo than anything else.

Now, some might try to argue that the description of the tail doesn't fit. They argue that the he tail should be larger and stiffer. Except that the reference to a "cedar" could refer not only to the cedar tree, but to the cedar bush as well.

The main problems are ...

(1) This creature is compared to an OX initially. Which means the first image placed into the bible reader's mind is that of an animal around the size of an OK. If the animal is much larger, the passage should say that somewhere. After all, you want the reader to get a size perspective of some animal much much larger than an ok, at least according to you. That does not happen.

(2) Later in the passage, the creature spends its time in the water. Scientists don't think that's where the Aptosauras spent its time.

(3) The passages in JOB describe this animal taking shade under trees. An elephant could do so, an Aptosauraus would have been too tall.

(4) Part of the story is that only God could kill it. By that same point in history, people had stopped trying to kill elephants and hippos. They were so strong, the risk did not outweigh the reward. Much of the Old Testament points attempts to help the reader avoid dangerous situations. That is probably why eating Shrimp and other shell fish (no scales) was seen as an abomination ... the people at that time did not realize that "shell fish" and "scaled-fish" could not be preserved in the same fashion.

Now ... as for Leviathan ... let's see ... can you tell me which dinosaur was able to do these things ... ??

18 His snorting throws out flashes of light; his eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Firebrands stream from his mouth; sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from his nostrils as from a boiling pot over a fire of reeds.

Its not surprising you went to the Old Testament again, that book of the bible does seem to have the most superstitious content, at least compared to the New Testament.

So given that ... let's do this ... let's imagine that I agree with you that the Behomoth and the Leviathan might be references to dinosaurs in the OT ... clearly the Dinosaurs should also appear in the NT, right? I mean they should get some mention there, right?

Now, you could argue that they died prior ... maybe during the time of Noah I guess. But Noah needed to take 2 of every animal, including the Dinos, on the Ark. Did they die prior? Or did he take them? If he took them, how did they fit? Who feed them? Who cleaned up their dung?

And then, what are they doing during the NT times?


Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
115. The brontosauruses, for example, were good for quarrying
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:25 AM
Dec 2012

and were also an important food source. But you had to be careful ordering the bronto ribs at the drive-in, 'cause they might tip your car over

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
119. That was poor design and lack of government oversight
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:02 AM
Dec 2012

Where in the hell was Ralph Naderock when you needed him?

catbyte

(39,153 posts)
5. What's the gorilla supposed to be doing? Playing the lute? "Mouth Baseball"? What?!? And what's with
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:14 PM
Dec 2012

Adam's "stick"?

Inquiring minds want to know...

hootinholler

(26,451 posts)
13. What about Eve's pose?
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:51 PM
Dec 2012

I don't think that is possible unless there is some physical anomaly at work. Look how far forward her right leg is from her body.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
23. They hadn't invented high heels yet, so she had to stand that way to
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:34 PM
Dec 2012

"look like a proper lady".

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
7. Dinosaurs making lemonade?
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:19 PM
Dec 2012

That's ridiculous.
Everyone knows dinosaurs make cranberry juice.

Hayabusa

(2,149 posts)
12. I am no dumber
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 05:38 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:13 PM - Edit history (1)

for having read that page. Thank you very much.

EDIT: See! I couldn't even use proper grammar!

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
15. Big razor-sharp teeth and claws are for...harvesting lemons.
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:00 PM
Dec 2012

Perfectly logical... BTW, I like Eve's Loretta Lynn hairdo.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
17. If them Dinosaurs were so peaceful and playful, then why the dagger like teeth and big sharp claws?
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:07 PM
Dec 2012

Something is wrong here. Why the full frontal on the gorilla, but not Adam or Eve?

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
18. Ken Ham is a con artist.
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:17 PM
Dec 2012

He's been brainwashing kids with "Jesus was with the dinosaurs" for years.

This particular paragraph shows just how terrified Ken Ham is, of REAL science and not his fundy fairy stories.

"For centuries, 'scientists' have tried to present the dinosaurs as violent monsters because they wanted to scare children. It's no coincidence that most of these men have been atheists or even homosexuals who are possessed by an intense hatred of young boys and girls."

 

gumby100

(6 posts)
25. its people like you that give atheists a bad name.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:25 AM
Dec 2012

Ken Ham believes in a literal interpretation of the bible and nowhere in it does it say Jesus walked with dinosaurs. It does imply that Adam and Eve did as well as some of there ancestors.

look at this link. please do some fact checking before you just believe that something is true.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502115913152103&set=a.165757773454587.40048.164175656946132&type=1

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
26. It doesn't say it in the Bible. But Ken Ham does.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:54 AM
Dec 2012

When he gives lectures to kids about dinosaurs, he very pointedly says "scientists weren't there, but Jesus was."

billh58

(6,655 posts)
27. And you believe that there
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:02 PM
Dec 2012

actually was an Adam and an Eve, and that they and their ancestors played with friendly dinosaurs? Really? And you want us to check the "facts?"

Ken, is that you? ...

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
41. And the "real page" is different..how?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:02 PM
Dec 2012

There was no "Garden Of Eden," where dinosaurs ate plants.

Those were PREDATORS. They ate meat they caught by slashing other dinosaurs with those claws and the big teeth.
Your creationist fairy tale has nothing to back it up, except the writings of people who didn't even know what lightning was.

Response to Archae (Reply #41)

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
43. "Never contradicts itself?"
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:36 PM
Dec 2012

Do rabbits (hares) chew their cud?

Why are there TWO versions of the creation story, with Adam being created last in the first one, and in the second Adam is created and then animals?

How did Judas die?
I've seen two different versions.

Far more here:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
116. there is no paragraph about 'scientists', homosexual, and scared children.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:30 AM
Dec 2012



Ken Ham

In regard to my previous post about the false text inserted into a page of one of my children's books--here is a photograph of the actual page to show you the real text. I didn't have a scanner at home so used my camera.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502132996483728&set=a.165757773454587.40048.164175656946132&type=1&permPage=1
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
32. You believe that Dinosaurs made lemonade for Eve is in the bible?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:09 PM
Dec 2012

And there is a literally reference to that in the bible from which Ham made this assertion?

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
56. Ken, honey
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:42 PM
Dec 2012

you're a fucking idiot snake oil salesman.

But you're good for a lot of laughs.




 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
73. So Able and Cain had incestuous relationships with ol' mom Eve then, huh?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:00 PM
Dec 2012

The Bible. What a sick and twisted work of absurd fiction.

The mental gymnastics required to actually believe an ancient book of mythology from an isolated desert-dwelling people is an accurate historical record are unfathomable to me.

JHB

(38,213 posts)
46. No, he just shows people dispersing from the Tower of Babel on Gallimimus-back
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:49 PM
Dec 2012

And please tell us who you think gives atheists a "good name"?

And please take your own advice: "do some fact checking before you just believe that something is true."

JHB

(38,213 posts)
65. Where has Ken found evidence of harnesses and riding baskets for...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:08 PM
Dec 2012

...Tsintaosauri, Gallimimuses, and Stegocerases, as he portrays here?

Plenty of archeological tack & harnesses for horses, camels, and other beasts of burden, but none for dinosaurs. No dinosaur bones in ancient campsites and settlements. No cave drawings (as we have for Eurasian rhinos and mastodons).







Really, isn't Ken pulling these out of places where Good Christians simply don't pull things from?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
47. Ken Ham gives sentient life-forms a bad name.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:03 PM
Dec 2012

But the fact that he bears a distinct resemblance to Dr. Zaius in Planet of the Apes does provide some delicious irony.

WhoIsNumberNone

(7,875 posts)
53. More than some of the young folks even realize
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:00 PM
Dec 2012

Watch the last 20 minutes of the original Planet of the Apes and see just how much this guy reminds you of Dr Zaius...

(OK- you may have to watch the whole movie for context, but the last 20 minutes is when the 800 pound orangutan enters the room)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
121. Please don't insult our future primate overlords!
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:39 AM
Dec 2012

"nom nom dino-saucers nom nom adam and eve nom nom Fox News nom nom space pirates!"

Now doesn't that remind you of something else? Lives under bridges? Sometimes mistaken for troglodytes? Frequently hit by large goats?

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
48. Why do I get the feeling that's disingenuous?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:06 PM
Dec 2012

I'm sure you think atheists could never have a "good name".

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
52. Talk about deceitful....I see you published HarveyDarky's OP picture w/o reference
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:26 PM
Dec 2012

to the DailyBleach.com website. That may have clued your clueless fans that this was lifted from a satire website.

Assuming you are this Mr. Ham dude, why are you talking about yourself here in the 3rd person? Really, I'm glad my kids never were exposed to your nutbag theories about young Earth creationism. This is how an Idiotocracy starts....

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
111. if it's from a satire site, why not link it in the OP, instead of representing it as Ham's original?
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:13 AM
Dec 2012

*That* is deceitful.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
134. Mister Ham, can I share the good news with you?
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:16 PM
Dec 2012

There is no GOD! That's right, you can go on with your life and ENJOY it!

It's your life, and there is no chance you'll go to a Celestial North Korea when you die!

 

Archae

(47,245 posts)
107. Ever hear of "Poe's Law?" It applies to this satire.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:54 PM
Dec 2012

And the illustration is unaltered.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
110. The OP represents it as Ham's original & provides no link to the satire page. There is no way
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:08 AM
Dec 2012

to recognize it as 'satire' in the OP. And in fact a number of posters here have mocked the photoshopped text as if ham wrote it -- which he didn't.

Poe's law has nothing to do with it. The OP represents the page he posted as a page from Ham's book. It's not. The page is altered; it's irrelevant that the illustration isn't altered, because the text is.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
20. I went to a private parochial school when I was young
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:19 PM
Dec 2012

And no one was this mindbendingly stupid.
Even the nuns that taught us had some foundation in science.

JHB

(38,213 posts)
59. Do I need to explain to you what these people believe about catholics?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:47 PM
Dec 2012

It's about on par with the dinosaurs.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
22. Look how happy they all are!
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:27 PM
Dec 2012

Happily enjoying their vegan diet, laughing and frolicking amongst each other. No one wanting to eat each other.

No clue about the horrible EVIL SIN that Eve, that harlot, will be cursing all existence...even the poor vegan dinosaurs...with!

spanone

(141,617 posts)
29. if this isn't the onion, it should be.....'because they want to scare children'
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:04 PM
Dec 2012

holy fuck

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
113. that paragraph was photoshopped in. the OP has still not seen fit to correct his attribution of
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:21 AM
Dec 2012

the photoshop as ham's original work.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
31. This absurdity clearly puts to rest any attempt at credibility by creationists
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:05 PM
Dec 2012

...bookmarking to show my teen kids the idiocy of it all. It will be so easy for me to be able to point out the lack of any evidence for the statements made. In fact their own sharp toothed, clawed representations contradict their own written statements. Give the creationists one inch.........and they will bury you a mile deep in the dung of stupidity.

I am so sad that 100 years from now, these books will survive and our future generations will assume so much about us, based on this piece of crap.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
109. maybe you should bookmark the real page instead of this photoshopped one. the OP misrepresents
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:03 AM
Dec 2012

what's actually on that page in the real book. the OP has taken a page from a parody site but provided no link so that people could recognize it as parody. the OP has represented the photoshopped version as Ham's real work.

so there's a slightly different lesson for your son there.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
146. No.........No, I'm good with the lesson I originally planned.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:02 PM
Dec 2012

Of course I can always add the real pics from Ham's book, because the message it provides is so different from the parody?


http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/0890513406/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0?ie=UTF8&index=0&isremote=0

WhoIsNumberNone

(7,875 posts)
35. In the interest of fairness....
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:22 PM
Dec 2012

I clicked the link that gumby100 (aka Ken Ham) posted upthread, and Daily Bleach did alter the text. (Note typo: 'to turns lemons into lemonaide') That's not to say that Ham's original text wasn't almost as ridiculous. It still claims that dinosaurs were vegetarians and lived in the Garden of Eden.

His tirade againt DU in the description is good for a few yuks, too.

JHB

(38,213 posts)
50. Yes, the image in the OP is from the satire site Daily Bleach rather than Ham's actual book...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:10 PM
Dec 2012

However, for all of us not in Ham's fan club, it can be hard to separate the parody from the self-parody of the original. There's not as much space between them as he'd like to think.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
82. ham posted the original text on his facebook page. the entire paragraph about scientists is fake.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:21 PM
Dec 2012
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
106. fairness? honesty? don't look for it on this thread. DU-ers often complain about faux news,
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:53 PM
Dec 2012

but they seemingly stoop to the same practices when it suits them.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
125. It isn't that far off what Ham thinks.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:23 AM
Dec 2012

The guy you're defending has a blog:

http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/tag/homosexuality/

Obama won reelection and now TEH HOMOZ R GOIN TO GET US!!!!

Edited to add: That last sentence is paraphrasing: He doesn't speak those exact specific words. Just thought I should mention that before someone freaks out over it.

Amaril

(1,267 posts)
44. Somebody needs to clue Mr. Ham in
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:41 PM
Dec 2012
The Flintstones was not intended as a documentary on prehistoric life.

Melinda

(5,465 posts)
51. "Mindbendingly absurd" as the original may be, your OP misrepresents the original, Harvey....
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
Dec 2012

Not sure of your intent, Harvey, but the result is you've some people believing the image you posted to be what the creationist author wrote - and it is not. The text within the original image has been changed, and you didn't include a 'satire' tag nor a link to where you obtained the image from, albeit a website is noted at the bottom of the image.

Not bad enough we have to deal with the loons at FR... noooo, now we're in the creationists sights as well.

Okay, /off mom mode.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
103. the OP misrepresents what the book says. The OP is a lie. I don't know if the person who
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:39 PM
Dec 2012

posted it knew it was fake when he posted, but he knows now.

You want to laugh at the book, fine. You don't need to lie to make the point.

democrats respect truth. if fundies are so god-awful, why do you have to photoshop to make that point?

JHB

(38,213 posts)
61. That part isn't (directly, that is)...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:53 PM
Dec 2012

...see various links above for the original Daily Bleach parody article, and for Ham's Facebook pages showing the unaltered page.

On the other hand, if one believes what Ham says, then the parody is pretty much what one believes about scientists in general, since obviously one believes they are all fakes, frauds, and agents of Satan.

billh58

(6,655 posts)
87. Did you also fall
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:34 PM
Dec 2012

for the part about playful and friendly dinosaurs co-existing with humans? Defend this lying, piece-of-shit con artist all you want, but Ham deserves any and all ridicule he gets on this board.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
112. If the playful dinosaurs are the object of scorn, why not post the original without the fake text?
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:16 AM
Dec 2012

Spare me the faux outrage, this is a cheap OP.

billh58

(6,655 posts)
129. No actually spare me your
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:10 AM
Dec 2012

self-righteous right wing defense of a faux-Christian con-artist fleecing the "true believers" with a website selling bogus bullshit and pretending that it's the word of "God."

This asshole and his putrid writings are fair game for anything that sane people want or need to counter his lies and fakery. I don't care if it's Photoshopped, altered, or dragged through dog puke, the OP makes the point that it may as well have said that a snake actually talked to Eve in the "Garden," and that dinosaurs made lemonade for the mythical Adam and Eve.

You act like it's a legitimate piece of literature that's been (gasp!) plagiarized and presented as someone else's work. Horseshit! No amount of alteration of the fucking "original" can be enough to fully trash this asshole or his "work."

You must be really upset with the Onion on a daily basis.

SidDithers

(44,333 posts)
64. That's a photoshop...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:58 PM
Dec 2012

the text has been photoshopped in. The real page looks like this:




Now, please don't think I'm defending Ham. He's fucking clueless, and his nonsense is bad enough. I don't want to give him and folks like him any ammunition to show how the 'godless liberals' are distorting his material.

Cheers,
Sid

WhoIsNumberNone

(7,875 posts)
95. His material requires no distortion.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:56 PM
Dec 2012

The unaltered page is quite sufficient to make him look like an idiot.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
136. the big 'DailyBleach.com' didn't give it away?
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:49 PM
Dec 2012

i for one wasn't fooled. if others were? such is satire.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
67. Why do his herbavore dinosaurs all have carnivore teeth?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:10 PM
Dec 2012

And ummm what does that raptor use its massive hind claw for?

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
68. This is no more wrong than any other religious belief
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:13 PM
Dec 2012

Oh NOES!!! A false religion.

They all are. Deal with it.

billh58

(6,655 posts)
72. And here is Ken's
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:55 PM
Dec 2012

main money maker site:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/

This site is a treasure trove of humor material for the sane, and a swamp of absurdity for the incurably gullible.

Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
77. Ham is that you?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:10 PM
Dec 2012

So let me see if I have this correct - you are suing because someone took your crazy shit and made it even crazier? HAHAHAHA goodluck with that crap...

And for the record, you are making people stupid with this fantasy crap about dinos and humans existing together. Then again, any idiot can have a FB page nowadays!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
76. Wow, Adam and Eve are incredibly white!!
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:06 PM
Dec 2012

There a shower behind that tree? Did they just get done shopping at Sach 5th Avenue or what? Must have, otherwise how does Adam keep his beard so trim? I guess it just grew to a prefect length and then stopped growing!

I cannot believe the first two paragraphs are real - someone REALLY believed that Trex made harvey wallbangers for the humans with his mouth!?!?! And the part about homosexuals having a intense hatred for boys and girls...two words...The Church.

The stupid is epic!

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
80. apparently the page you posted isn't the original text. (as would be more obvious if we weren't
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:19 PM
Dec 2012

already disposed to think fundies are nuts. there's a very sharp transition from adam & eve making lemonade to talk of 'scientists,' homosexuals & atheists. c'mon, not standard kids' book content even for fundies).

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
85. please delete your post or correct the op, because this is not the original text -- it's fake.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:23 PM
Dec 2012

democrats respect truth.

thanks.

billh58

(6,655 posts)
86. Uh, it's satire
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:27 PM
Dec 2012

aimed at the absurd contention that dinosaurs co-existed with humans. And who in the hell are you to ask someone to delete or change their OP?

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
90. Dude, it is definitely satire, but the OP is treating it as though it is straight from the book...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:38 PM
Dec 2012

"From Ken Ham's book..."

billh58

(6,655 posts)
93. Who fucking cares?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:47 PM
Dec 2012

The book is pure rubbish and deserves to be trashed, ridiculed, and laughed at.

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
100. That may be, in fact, true, but it has nothing to do with the OP being incorrect...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:07 PM
Dec 2012

If one must attack it is best to attack from a position of truth.

If one must, ridicule the actual book, not a parody of the book. I am laughing inside at the irony.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
114. yep, it's funny, & even funnier are the characters like 'bill' running around saying the misrepre-
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:22 AM
Dec 2012

sentation isn't important.

faux news tactics are ok when it's *our* side -- i guess.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
104. it's not satire. it's a photo-shop that misrepresents what is actually on that page.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:48 PM
Dec 2012

satire is when the audience knows it's fake. in this case the OP asserts that this is the real book. it's not.

billh58

(6,655 posts)
130. Actually, out of
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:15 AM
Dec 2012

everyone reading this thread, you and a select minority of apparently humorless individuals appear to be the only ones who are not aware that it's satire. What's "fake" to you is wit to many others.

Go crusade for something that really matters, and let lemonade making dinosaurs lie. (Get it?)

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
135. hard to miss the big 'DailyBleach.com' in the image
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:46 PM
Dec 2012

only the satire-impaired or tragically unobservant would think it original

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
118. so what? he put a picture of a dinosaur eating lemons in a kids' book for fundies. oooooh, how
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:00 AM
Dec 2012

awful!

the OP posted a photoshop of the page with a passage about homosexuals & misrepresented it as ham's original.

way to stand up for truth!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
120. Yeah, someone substituted an idiotic block of text for the equally idiotic block of text that was
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:10 AM
Dec 2012

originally there.

Heavens, the outrage.

Response to HarveyDarkey (Original post)

Xipe Totec

(44,558 posts)
101. Why did God decide to destroy such beautiful creatures?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:10 PM
Dec 2012

Why was there no room for these gentle giants in Noah's arch?

Why did God give these fruit eating dinosaurs twelve inch long, razor sharp, flesh cutting teeth?

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
123. Then the big cats came after the friendly dinosaurs?
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:56 AM
Dec 2012

I mean, since lions and tigers are meat-eaters, they could not have been in existence in Eden. Have they explained where they came from?

138. KEN HAM IMPLEMENTS TAKE DOWN NOTICE
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:18 PM
Dec 2012

If you think this whole thing isn't strange enough, Ken Ham's Answers In Genesis has instituted a take down notice for the picture that started this entire thread. So how long before the image is taken down? Hopefully Democratic Underground will not back down and fight this.

Evil(tm) Evolutionist

See Ken Hams' statement at:
https://www.facebook.com/aigkenham

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
139. I understand that is a parody...
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:21 PM
Dec 2012

but is it a parody of a parody?
In other words, this Ken Ham person seems like a satirist.
Or is Ken Ham truly being sincere?

Vanje

(9,766 posts)
140. Ken Ham is either sincere
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:46 PM
Dec 2012

....or he is a sincere snake-0il salesman.

Theres good money in fleecing the flock these days, and Its tax free, if you do it in Jesus' Name

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
141. I know, I just checked out his facebook page.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:51 PM
Dec 2012

People like him are dangerous to society, and I mean that without any exaggeration.
Those poor children, being brainwashed like that. It's borderline child abuse. If there was any such thing as "intellectual child abuse", this would be it.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
142. Unfortunately, he's dead serious...
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:01 PM
Dec 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Museum

And the guy and his cronies have published an entire series of books, suggested for use in homeschooling across the country.
147. Wondering where the picture went?
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 01:11 PM
Dec 2012

If you're wondering where the picture went that started this whole thread, the admins at the Democratic Underground took it down because of legal threats from Ken Ham.

Evil(tm) Evolutionist

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