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Wiz Imp

(9,996 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:46 AM Oct 2024

8 National Polls Released in the past 2 days

Margin Poll Date
4% Economist / YouGov 10/16/2024
3% Fairleigh Dickinson 10/16/2024
5% Marist Poll 10/16/2024
0% Marquette Law School 10/16/2024
4% TIPP Insights 10/16/2024
4% Morning Consult 10/15/2024
3% Reuters / Ipsos 10/15/2024
3% TIPP Insights 10/15/2024

Note that the Marquette poll is an outlier showing a tie. I wouldn't fret about that. All 7 others show a Harris lead of at least 3%, the average margin of those 7 is just under 4%. So for people nervous about media saying that Trump is leading, this should be definitive proof that Trump is not only behind, but the typical national poll over the past 2 days shows Harris actually expanding her lead.

As for the state polls, keep in mind, there are numerous right wing state polls flooding the market so the margins look better for Trump than likely reality. 538 filters out some of the right wing polls but still includes a bunch of them (including Fabrizio which was actually paid for by Trump). Even with numerous questionable right wing polls included, 538 currently shows Harris leads in PA, MI, WI & NV and deficits of just 1% in GA & NC & 1.5% in AZ.




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Takket

(23,715 posts)
1. We'd be popping champagne already if not for the electoral college
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:48 AM
Oct 2024

But because of that, we will be coming down to the wire.

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
5. I don't think it will be as close as the media wants us to believe.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 12:01 PM
Oct 2024

Check the fund raising records and see how many contributors and how much money she has raised state by state. It's spectacularly better than the orange headed buffoon has done, including the PAC money. Citizens United has blown up in the Republican's faces. And she continues to haul it in.

Last time a candidate was outraised by this much, per capita, Ronald Reagan won a landslide.

Emile

(42,293 posts)
8. With all the republicans vocally coming out in support of Kamala
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 12:26 PM
Oct 2024

this will be a landslide victory for Harris.

peppertree

(23,343 posts)
11. Hear, hear. Needy Amin's only hope, is that his minions might 12th-amendment the presidency to him
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 02:18 PM
Oct 2024

In other words, a coup.

Johnny2X2X

(24,210 posts)
2. Marquette Law LV all candidates included was Harris +3
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:52 AM
Oct 2024

But yeah, the more reputable pollsters dropped some new polls this week and they all show Harris ahead,. Marist showed her +5 when it was +2 a couple weeks ago.

She might have regained some momentum. Also still leads in MI, WI, PA, and NV.

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
3. A Curiosity
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:54 AM
Oct 2024

Agree that MLS appears to be an outlier, but:
What is a law school doing an election poll for?
Marquette offers statistics degrees. They offer social science degrees. They offer poly-sci degrees. I think they offer journalism degrees.
Why would the law school even be involved? There's no expertise in this arena at the law school, but they have academic disciplines that would.
I just find it weird that the poll being conducted by an outfit out their element is the only one shoeing a different result.
Things that make me go "Hmmmm".

Wiz Imp

(9,996 posts)
4. Note also: Trump tops 47% only in Marquette poll, Harris is at 50% or more in 5 of the 8, 49% in 2 others
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:59 AM
Oct 2024

Her low mark of 47% corresponds to Trump's top mark in any of the polls except Marquette. Still looking like Trump's overall ceiling is about 47%.

Wiz Imp

(9,996 posts)
7. I pulled this off of 270 to win's main page since they had it formatted the best
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 12:22 PM
Oct 2024

Apparently, they used the Marquette result which forced everyone to choose between either Harris or Trump. It was 50% to 50%. If others are included, apparently Harris still leads.

What this means is for voters who haven't fully committed to a candidate yet, Trump leads. The byproduct of this is that there is a larger block of possible or probable Trump voters who may still be able to be persuaded to vote for Harris.

Looking at the crosstabs I see something else interesting. Trump's job approval as President in this poll was 50%. I highly doubt anywhere near 50% of all voters would currently have a favorable view of Trump's Presidency. This implies the sample may be slightly skewed to the right.

appleannie1

(5,457 posts)
9. Many people are like me when it comes to polls.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 02:09 PM
Oct 2024

I don't answer any calls that I don't recognize the number or name. I figure if it is important, they will leave a message for me to call them back. Therefore, I never have to deal with polls. I just vote. Plus it used to be you could put signs in your yard or bumper stickers on your car without fear of retribution. Those days are gone since the orange blob came on the scene and I neither want my home to be damaged or my car to be keyed so I don't do either. I believe a lot of people feel like I do and so, on election day, it won't be as close as they are saying.

oldmanlynn

(821 posts)
12. To be clear national polls dont mean alot
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 02:24 PM
Oct 2024

Its the battleground state polls that mean the most.

I believe Harris leads by more than what the polls suggest. Younger voters are answering their phones to do a poll and likewise other demographics aren’t picking up their phones to do polls.

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JCMach1

(29,202 posts)
17. I think they do. I would pay no attention to state poll
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 04:18 PM
Oct 2024

Breakdowns within national sampling unless it has Harris up by 4% or more.

Otherwise, it has oversampled MAGA/Conservative voters.

Doesn't mean Trump cannot win, but I see no way he gets above a maximum.of 46% nationally.

yellowcanine

(36,792 posts)
14. From other elections I seem to remember state polls trail national polls.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 02:35 PM
Oct 2024

Don't remember why but I do remember that.

Response to yellowcanine (Reply #14)

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