Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Coventina

(29,731 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 05:37 PM Oct 2024

My dad put a Trump sign in his yard. This is what my sister wrote to him:

Dear Dad,

I am writing this to you to voice my profound disappointment in finding out that you have placed a Trump sign in your yard. How can I process this as anything other than a grave contradiction against everything you have ever taught me and modeled as to what it meant to be a Christian and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

It is an ugly fact that Trump incited a violent insurrection that led to the loss of life rather than gracefully conceding as a leader who truly cares about this country. And this is just one of many innumerable crimes he has chosen to perpetrate in his narcissistic quest for a second term as President.

His words, actions and policies run completely and outrageously against the teachings of Christ. I am shocked you would support a convicted rapist, felon, serial liar and individual who uses hate rhetoric and insults nearly every time he is interviewed. I am embarrassed because I have spent the last 8 years defending your integrity. I have been insisting, even to my own sister, that you would never stoop to supporting a man when his very actions mirror those of an antichrist.

My heart is full of grief over this. By supporting Trump and his agenda, you're condoning the stripping of my personal rights away and empowering a man who conducts himself without honor and deepens hate and division in America rather than unity, love and tolerance.

Your vote is your own and I believe in your right to have it, but now I wonder if you believe in mine? I implore you to research Project 2025 and question how this "plan" would improve anything about this country. Moreover, how, any of this upholds the teachings of Jesus. Matthew 25:31-45.

I am sending this, not to debate, I don't need you to defend your position and you do not owe me an apology. I hope, however, you will look deeply into your heart and pray or ponder everything I have stated here.

*******************************************************************************

I am so proud of her I'm weeping right now!!!

73 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
My dad put a Trump sign in his yard. This is what my sister wrote to him: (Original Post) Coventina Oct 2024 OP
excellent Skittles Oct 2024 #1
She sent it via email, no response yet. Coventina Oct 2024 #2
My daughter will vote for him Tree Lady Oct 2024 #54
an utter tragedy to see people fall under his malignant spell LymphocyteLover Oct 2024 #66
Voting for Trump Old Okie Oct 2024 #70
My other daughter lives in San Antonio Tree Lady Oct 2024 #73
To the more privileged supporting Trump is like support a football team; not much blow back to them. People have to make uponit7771 Oct 2024 #3
It's also like that with a lot of the not-so-privileged BaronChocula Oct 2024 #35
Absolutely, FAUX NewZ doesn't help uponit7771 Oct 2024 #57
She has written a wonderful letter. crim son Oct 2024 #4
Excellent and righteous! Drum Oct 2024 #5
Did your dad always support Trump? Self Esteem Oct 2024 #6
No, that's part of what is so shocking. He called him a clown, when Trump first came down the elevator. Coventina Oct 2024 #7
I'm a 60 something white male. My daughter was suprised when I stated harumph Oct 2024 #10
Rich people live longer Cirsium Oct 2024 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Abolishinist Oct 2024 #62
What about in 2020? Self Esteem Oct 2024 #19
I don't know who he voted for in 2020. I doubt he voted for Trump but I could be wrong. Coventina Oct 2024 #44
I'm sorry. That's too bad. Self Esteem Oct 2024 #50
Have you considered that some form of senility/dementia is starting? erronis Oct 2024 #21
Exactly my question too BaronChocula Oct 2024 #36
I have not noticed any other signs of dementia. Coventina Oct 2024 #45
That has to be so hard on you. erronis Oct 2024 #47
I think there are a lot of Rs who can't stand Trump soandso Oct 2024 #33
Good for her. onecaliberal Oct 2024 #8
Sorry! No family members here but I lost Cha Oct 2024 #11
WOW Brilliant and Excellent! Very emotionally Moving... Cha Oct 2024 #9
I thought about writing something, but I could not keep the anger out of it. Coventina Oct 2024 #13
Yes, she Did! Your siter is a brilliant writer. Cha Oct 2024 #22
Maybe write that angry letter? SomedayKindaLove Oct 2024 #55
We are living in a very trying time for our johnnyfins Oct 2024 #12
Very good question. In fact, a question for the ages. That vacuum between victory and fate is when the rot sneaks in. jaxexpat Oct 2024 #65
Please hug your sister for us! MLAA Oct 2024 #14
I'm leaving now to take her a Harris yard sign (prearranged before this happened) Coventina Oct 2024 #16
Awesome letter Demovictory9 Oct 2024 #15
You go girl! Devilsun Oct 2024 #17
She cited Matthew 25:31-46 ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2024 #18
That sounds like a possible culprit. A constant fire-hose of misinformation can warp peoples' minds. erronis Oct 2024 #23
I didn't think you could turn from liberal to MAGA... Trueblue Texan Oct 2024 #32
I feel your pain on that one. COL Mustard Oct 2024 #40
Oh, dear. It's hard to reason with a 99 year old. They know what they know and that is all. erronis Oct 2024 #48
I'm so sorry to hear about what happened with your mom. calimary Oct 2024 #64
That was January of 2013, the day after New Years. ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2024 #67
I once used that passage in a "debate" with a rabid Trumper progressoid Oct 2024 #71
Yeah. My 82-year-old dad and his wife are Trump votes in Michigan TheGreatConspiracy Oct 2024 #20
It's brainwashing. maxsolomon Oct 2024 #25
Will your Dad read it? maxsolomon Oct 2024 #24
Perhaps send him this sermon pat_k Oct 2024 #26
That is a perfectly crafted message! consider_this Oct 2024 #27
Wow. Here's hoping your dad reads it with his heart. madamesilverspurs Oct 2024 #28
Well stated! BluRay76 Oct 2024 #29
Their "friends" Dan Oct 2024 #51
What a wonderful letter mgardener Oct 2024 #30
That was a brave letter for her to write to her own father. slightlv Oct 2024 #31
I picture him laughing about it wolfie001 Oct 2024 #34
I guess your dad is independently wealthy and doesn't need his SS or Medicare. Katcat Oct 2024 #37
So well said. wonder if it will reach him. Evolve Dammit Oct 2024 #38
Very powerful and soulful. Must have been very difficult to write, Brave woman, your sister. Joinfortmill Oct 2024 #39
Great response mdbl Oct 2024 #41
Excellent. LoisB Oct 2024 #42
"Your vote is your own and I believe in your right to have it, but now I wonder if you believe in mine?" Beartracks Oct 2024 #43
Good letter kwolf68 Oct 2024 #49
When they support a convicted felon/rapist/Insurrectionist not too sure any NoMoreRepugs Oct 2024 #52
Your sister deseserves a big high five ! Fla Dem Oct 2024 #53
You should be proud of her. That is one of ... Persondem Oct 2024 #56
Your sister is awesome!!! berksdem Oct 2024 #58
Honest and heartfelt. I hope it's received in that way. nt babylonsister Oct 2024 #59
Woah...fiercely beautiful, or beautifully fierce. She wrote amazing prose. electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #60
That's beautiful RussBLib Oct 2024 #61
Family dynamics aside, Matthew 25:31-45 Abolishinist Oct 2024 #63
Reason and religion are incompatible Major Nikon Oct 2024 #68
ding. AllaN01Bear Oct 2024 #69
Trump's KKKultists love him more than their own families Orrex Oct 2024 #72

Skittles

(171,713 posts)
1. excellent
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 05:44 PM
Oct 2024

please let us know if it reaches your dad in any way; I really feel for you folk with family members in the cult

Tree Lady

(13,282 posts)
54. My daughter will vote for him
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:32 PM
Oct 2024

we started arguing few years ago and since then don't talk politics. I wasn't willing to let go of relationship because she is daughter I am closer too. We hike, do yoga, many things together, I just keep hoping she sees the light. Right now brainwashed by people at work and her boyfriend.

Old Okie

(221 posts)
70. Voting for Trump
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 11:06 AM
Oct 2024

When my son told me he voted for Trump in 2020; I almost threw him out of the house. I told him I was very disappointed with him. He tried to defend his vote with Fox News crap about his great policies during his term. I got him to watch the House Committee hearings and do some research on these great policies. I am hoping he will vote for Harris or at least not vote for Trump. He and his family live near San Antonio so they are inundated with Republican crap. Anyway; just wanted you to know that I feel your pain.

Tree Lady

(13,282 posts)
73. My other daughter lives in San Antonio
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 12:40 PM
Oct 2024

with her family. They are moderate independents leaning conservative on economy. But they have voted for the dem last two times and this time because Trump is not a good example morally for their children and they are atheists. My daughter always tells me I have better morals than most of my christian friends.

They don't cuss, polite, manners, etc.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
3. To the more privileged supporting Trump is like support a football team; not much blow back to them. People have to make
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 05:46 PM
Oct 2024

... real to relatives before they figure it out that MAGA is hurting Americans

BaronChocula

(4,555 posts)
35. It's also like that with a lot of the not-so-privileged
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:02 PM
Oct 2024

So many people are divorced from the notion of how policy impacts their quality of life.

crim son

(27,552 posts)
4. She has written a wonderful letter.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 05:47 PM
Oct 2024

I would copy it and send it to my sister, who has announced her support for Trump, but I know my sister is not much of a thinker, and she is not Christian either, so I cannot appeal to those values. It is really tough when a family member has gone over to the dark side.

Coventina

(29,731 posts)
7. No, that's part of what is so shocking. He called him a clown, when Trump first came down the elevator.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 05:52 PM
Oct 2024

We three kids are just gobsmacked.

harumph

(3,278 posts)
10. I'm a 60 something white male. My daughter was suprised when I stated
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 05:57 PM
Oct 2024

that I would be glad when my cohort died off. It's nothing personal, but a good many of my peers can't think their way out
of a paper bag and consequently they are a danger to themselves and others.

Cirsium

(3,943 posts)
46. Rich people live longer
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:50 PM
Oct 2024

Rich people live longer than working class people. White people live longer than nonwhite people and wealthier people and white people tend to vote Republican.

Let's not set one generation against another.

Response to harumph (Reply #10)

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
19. What about in 2020?
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:13 PM
Oct 2024

I am curious to see the shift. Did he vote for Biden four years ago?

Coventina

(29,731 posts)
44. I don't know who he voted for in 2020. I doubt he voted for Trump but I could be wrong.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:44 PM
Oct 2024

I'm just still shocked.

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
50. I'm sorry. That's too bad.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:09 PM
Oct 2024

And I think a warning sign to those who believe Trump can't 'grow' his support.

erronis

(23,880 posts)
21. Have you considered that some form of senility/dementia is starting?
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:15 PM
Oct 2024

Changes in beliefs and attitudes can be signs of deep structural brain disorders. These can be manifest in otherwise seemingly intelligent and functioning people.

Coventina

(29,731 posts)
45. I have not noticed any other signs of dementia.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:47 PM
Oct 2024

I think his wife and her family could definitely be an influence on him.

They are a bunch of rural Bible-belt types.

During the pandemic they were praising ivermectin and all that whack-a-doo stuff.

erronis

(23,880 posts)
47. That has to be so hard on you.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:58 PM
Oct 2024

I have had a spouse with some extreme relatives and for quite a while it didn't matter too much.

But as time went on her "evangelical christianity" took root again and she became a soldier for her version of "the right". I heard that she was a trump supporter also, but thankfully I lost contact with her 20+ years ago.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
33. I think there are a lot of Rs who can't stand Trump
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:46 PM
Oct 2024

but vote party. Maybe your dad still thinks he's a clown.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
11. Sorry! No family members here but I lost
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 05:58 PM
Oct 2024

2 Long time friends on both ends of the spectrum.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
9. WOW Brilliant and Excellent! Very emotionally Moving...
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 05:56 PM
Oct 2024

I can see why it would bring you tears for what your sister wrote to your Dad. Epic!

Coventina

(29,731 posts)
13. I thought about writing something, but I could not keep the anger out of it.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 05:59 PM
Oct 2024

So I've just been avoiding him.

She did an amazing job!!

Cha

(319,076 posts)
22. Yes, she Did! Your siter is a brilliant writer.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:17 PM
Oct 2024

I Hope her Heartfelt letter touches your Dad. Makes him think Deely

SomedayKindaLove

(1,181 posts)
55. Maybe write that angry letter?
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:42 PM
Oct 2024

And never send it. Can help wipe the palate clean so to speak.

johnnyfins

(3,768 posts)
12. We are living in a very trying time for our
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 05:59 PM
Oct 2024

Country. This "tough guy" sickness has finally come home to roost. I don't know how we get out of it. Vote? Of course! But then what?

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
65. Very good question. In fact, a question for the ages. That vacuum between victory and fate is when the rot sneaks in.
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 05:57 AM
Oct 2024

"This "tough guy" sickness" you speak of has been the primary shaper of self-destructive western social philosophies for at least 500 years. Every war and most pestilence since the Rennaissance send their roots into it. I think it's about the misconception that women are fragile vessels of purity which men must "protect". I believe that idea comes from the fact that childbirth in the times after the loss of herbal medicine knowledge and before pro-science times was so life threatening. Those were the days when religiously radicalized men shot themselves in the foot, so to speak, tossing the baby out with the bathwater and leading with their chin for about a thousand years.

At least that was the duration among the generally educated classes. It's still a "cherished" aspect for some today, though in a uniquely perverse "smart phone-y" version. For instance, MAGA, a movement currently afloat to rally the most backward thinkers to a bad cause by obscenely horrible folks based on primitive hygiene and fantasy worship. What could go wrong?

Coventina

(29,731 posts)
16. I'm leaving now to take her a Harris yard sign (prearranged before this happened)
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:02 PM
Oct 2024

So I will!!!

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,897 posts)
18. She cited Matthew 25:31-46
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:10 PM
Oct 2024

Last edited Thu Oct 17, 2024, 09:41 AM - Edit history (1)

One of the pieces of Scripture where Jesus Christ tells the Goats to His left that the least they did unto his people they did unto Him. Therefore they would not be enjoying eternity in Heaven. Jesus explains that clearly.

I was in tears as well when reading this letter. Wow.

Before my late mother died in Nevada, her news source was FOX. I had to leave the room when she had it on. She turned from Liberal to FOX. Were she alive now, the relationship would surely be strained.

erronis

(23,880 posts)
23. That sounds like a possible culprit. A constant fire-hose of misinformation can warp peoples' minds.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:18 PM
Oct 2024

Trueblue Texan

(4,464 posts)
32. I didn't think you could turn from liberal to MAGA...
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:37 PM
Oct 2024

Liberals, by definition think more carefully. What happened to your mom?

COL Mustard

(8,218 posts)
40. I feel your pain on that one.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:24 PM
Oct 2024

My 99 year old mother has Fox on from morning to night. I started leaving the room when it's on, and she asked me why. I said, If you get your news from Fox it's like getting your lunch from the toilet.

Of course she still has it on, but I tried.

erronis

(23,880 posts)
48. Oh, dear. It's hard to reason with a 99 year old. They know what they know and that is all.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:00 PM
Oct 2024

calimary

(90,021 posts)
64. I'm so sorry to hear about what happened with your mom.
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 05:32 AM
Oct 2024

Sheesh - the cable network that tears families apart.

They must be so proud…

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,897 posts)
67. That was January of 2013, the day after New Years.
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 09:48 AM
Oct 2024

It was in February of 2012, I visited her in Reno where she lived. FOX was on much of the day after 5pm.

We had a discussion about the upcoming election, what she said about Obama sent me over the edge. She had said, "The country will have a black man as President! Just not THAT black man!" My once Liberal-minded mother said that.

The rest of that year, unbeknown to me, she was slowly dying of Cancer. All of my phone calls to her avoided politics. But one of my last before she died did mention the re-election of Barack Obama and what he had done to make life better for Americans. Thank God she did not have to live through the disastrous 4 years of tRump. If Cancer did not kill her, COVID would have. She also had COPD.

progressoid

(53,179 posts)
71. I once used that passage in a "debate" with a rabid Trumper
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 12:16 PM
Oct 2024

who also pretends to be a Xian. His response was a snarky, "nice Bible quote." He then quoted Isaiah 38:1
"Thus says the Lord: Set your house in order, for you shall die, you shall not recover"

The problem with quoting the Bible to shame them is that they have no shame!

20. Yeah. My 82-year-old dad and his wife are Trump votes in Michigan
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:13 PM
Oct 2024

It's frustrating, even though my long-time Republican sister is voting for Harris (she hates Trump and thinks he's an embarrassment).

But my dad lives in a remote area in the woods and spends a LOT of time watching right-wing news channels. There's no changing his mind. We've tried.

Good luck to your sister, though. Not everyone is as far gone as my dad.

maxsolomon

(38,727 posts)
25. It's brainwashing.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:20 PM
Oct 2024

Last edited Thu Oct 17, 2024, 12:43 PM - Edit history (1)

The only way to undo it is to replace it with an alternate media source, like NPR.

There's a whole movie about it, but the rub is: the family couldn't get him off RW Hate Radio and onto NPR until he was too senile to figure out they'd changed the station.

https://www.thebrainwashingofmydad.com/

consider_this

(2,847 posts)
27. That is a perfectly crafted message!
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:21 PM
Oct 2024

it cuts to the quick - I'd be shocked if the man does not consider what someone who loves and respects him has offered so thoughtfully.

madamesilverspurs

(16,511 posts)
28. Wow. Here's hoping your dad reads it with his heart.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:23 PM
Oct 2024

My siblings and I were raised by staunch republicans, but that was back when the GOP was pretty much the complete reverse of what it is today. Dad became increasingly disgruntled with the party when W was in office, and passed during the second term of that administration. Mom, who was the boots-on-the-ground GOPer, became so disgusted that she left the party after more than 70 very active years. She voted twice for Obama, and cast her final ballot for Hillary. My older brother and my sister have been very active Democratic door knockers. Suffice it to say that we were stunned and sickened when our younger brother announced his firm support of Trump, and did so with a swaggering attitude that we'd never seen from him. He's made it clear that his veteran status along with his ordination to the ministry gives his opinion greater weight, and he welcomes no discussion accordingly. He still sends somewhat terse emails to mark holidays, but that's about it. We miss him.

On that note, I hope to read that your dad receives the letter in the spirit in which it was sent. Hugs to you and your sister.

BluRay76

(54 posts)
29. Well stated!
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:29 PM
Oct 2024

I have extended family members who will vote for him… I don’t honestly even know what they think about him as a “human,” since they never actually say anything about what policies they support or what they want our country to be. All they do is share the GQP conspiracy fake social media posts and talk about how angry they are that Biden and Harris are giving FEMA funds to immigrants. I confess I am not strong enough to respond to them because I can’t do it without getting angry… but also because I have some fear about retribution. Not from my family members themselves, but from people who are their “friends.” They’re so angry and hateful and vitriolic, and they aren’t actually *for* anything except hurting people and taking away basic human rights.

It’s truly impressive that your sister communicated this message in such a respectful yet heartfelt way. I hope that she has managed to make him think about who he is and what message he is sending.

Dan

(5,179 posts)
51. Their "friends"
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:10 PM
Oct 2024

Hopefully you will disappear when you of age or are able.... with friends like that.

slightlv

(7,790 posts)
31. That was a brave letter for her to write to her own father.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 06:35 PM
Oct 2024

I salute her courage and persistence in her own beliefs. Kudos to your sister. Let her know how much she is appreciated!

Katcat

(574 posts)
37. I guess your dad is independently wealthy and doesn't need his SS or Medicare.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:13 PM
Oct 2024

But the rest of us aren’t and we don’t need a fake as President. I support his right to vote how he wants but any man who votes for Trump will get my scorn for enabling a man who went to epsteins rape island numerous times. And I don’t think he was checking on his buddy.

Joinfortmill

(21,165 posts)
39. Very powerful and soulful. Must have been very difficult to write, Brave woman, your sister.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:23 PM
Oct 2024

Beartracks

(14,591 posts)
43. "Your vote is your own and I believe in your right to have it, but now I wonder if you believe in mine?"
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:41 PM
Oct 2024

Wow.

=================

NoMoreRepugs

(12,076 posts)
52. When they support a convicted felon/rapist/Insurrectionist not too sure any
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:12 PM
Oct 2024

written message is going to reach them.

Fla Dem

(27,633 posts)
53. Your sister deseserves a big high five !
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:17 PM
Oct 2024



But I feel sorry for both for you to be in that position with your father.

Persondem

(2,101 posts)
56. You should be proud of her. That is one of ...
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:57 PM
Oct 2024

.... the best letters or article on how to push back against trumpism i have ever seen.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
60. Woah...fiercely beautiful, or beautifully fierce. She wrote amazing prose.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:10 PM
Oct 2024

I hope he will have a change of heart.

But importantly, too, your sister poured her heart out instead keeping inside on something this both wide, and deeply personal that could be detrimental emotionally.

I'm very lucky. In our extended family we have ?3 or 4 Republicans who as of a couple oh years ago hated drumphf.

A different one's been kind of cynical decades back; "they're all the same".

The rest (well, the ones I know) will probably, to definitely vote for Kamala.

My sis will (we've always been Dems), and my friends, and long time acquaintences run Liberal Dems, Center Dems, and probably a progressive or two.

Me? I'm a super staunch liberal. But I might have a bit of progressive streak, I think. l came to respect the Nordic Democratic Socialist countries. But I'm a pragmatism, too.
If we can get bug jumps - great. Otherwise bit by bit.
Ugh, right now we have hold the bulwark!

RussBLib

(10,635 posts)
61. That's beautiful
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:13 PM
Oct 2024

...that could apply to quite a few families. It's so well-written and succinct. I'd be proud to have her as a sister, or friend

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

Abolishinist

(2,957 posts)
63. Family dynamics aside, Matthew 25:31-45
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 01:53 AM
Oct 2024

says that God would one day judge the world and cast those who broke His law into hell for all eternity. This is not a message I care to hear, but this is the Jesus we find in Scripture.

Perhaps the greater take-away is that those who are believers create their own world, not of logic but of cult. Given that, how can one 'judge' another?

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was ahungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee ahungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was ahungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.


In other words, if you are not a true believer, you will spend eternity in HELL! And given that, who are you to say how this is determined?


Major Nikon

(36,925 posts)
68. Reason and religion are incompatible
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 10:00 AM
Oct 2024

The whole concept of religious belief requires one to suspend reason.

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
72. Trump's KKKultists love him more than their own families
Thu Oct 17, 2024, 12:40 PM
Oct 2024

I've lost friends and family over this, and I'm better off without them.

I'm sorry that your father has chosen to support the rapist and felon. I hope that your family is able to achieve some peace and healing.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»My dad put a Trump sign i...