Sinwar's wife was holding $32,000 Birkin bag in Oct 6 footage

[sheshe2]

The bag carried by the wife of former Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar in recently published footage of the family was a $32,000 Birkin, according to IDF Spokesperson in Arabic, Lt.-Col. Avichay Adraee on Saturday evening.

"While Gaza residents have no money for food, we see many examples of Yahya Sinwar and his wife's special love for money," IDF Spokesperson in Arabic, Lt.-Col. Avichay Adraee posted on X/Twitter, along with a screenshot showing his wife holding what appeared to be a Birkin bag.

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Earlier on Saturday, IDF spokesperson R.-Adm. Daniel Hagari revealed footage of former Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, dated October 6, 2023, showing Sinwar and his family fleeing in a tunnel just hours before the October 7 massacre.

"For hours, they go up and down, stocking up on food, a television, and other products for a long stay. He only cared for his personal survival," Hagari said

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-825274


Safety, food and money for me and not for thee.

Where are the Palestinian protesters?

[Bok_Tukalo]

1. Why should I believe the IDF?

Aren’t they supporting terrorist attacks on Palestinians in East Jerusalem and the West Bank?

[sheshe2]

2. You can believe who and what you wish. nt

[Cha]

33. I knew that was coming... so easy for

some to dismiss facts on the ground.. "Israel"!

Thanks for this, she.. it's easy to believe.. the fucking Hamas leaders have all the money. They wanted Martyrs and they got them.

[sheshe2]

103. IKR!?

The people die as their ‘leaders’ enrich themselves.

[Cha]

105. It's Fucking "Grotesque"! That's what's Grotesque... Not

reporting on it!

Mahalo

[brush]

101. I dunno. Designer goods are knocked off all the time. Many fake ones around everywhere.

[sheshe2]

106. Her hubby, Sinwar, was worth 3 Billion.

I doubt the purse was a knock off.

[brush]

107. 3 Billion? Do you have proof of that?

[sheshe2]

111. You will just say it is fake news.🤷‍♀️

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1698592894-hamas-sits-on-obscene-wealth-while-gaza-falls-further-into-collapse


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/idf-releases-new-video-yahya-sinwars-wife-alleged-32000-birkin-bag-grabs-eyeballs/videoshow/114396794.cms?from=mdr

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-poor-gaza-rich-hamas-1001461154

[Abolishinist]

157. This doesn't change the concept of "Safety, food and money for me and not for thee"

and not that anyone knows the real number, but the 1st and 3rd articles you posted peg his net worth at $1-3 million, NOT 3 billion. That's a huge difference.

"Another top figure is Yahya Sinwar, the Hamas chief in Gaza. He holds between $1 and $3 million according to the BBC." -from i24:

"The person leading Hamas inside the Gaza Strip, Yahya Sinwar (60), has also amassed a considerable fortune, estimated at $1-3 million, according to the BBC." -from Globes

[sheshe2]

162. I know what they said...I read them all before posting the,

[Abolishinist]

165. First of all, and I'm usually pretty good when it comes to reading between the lines,

what does your response even mean?

162. I know what they said...I read them all before posting the,

Your stated earlier that Sinwar was worth $3 billion BASED ON three articles you posted. I merely pointed out that the articles you used to back up your claim said he was worth $1-3 MILLION.

[AloeVera]

114. The Israeli Embassy somewhere said so.

What more proof do you need??


Seriously, that's the only source - the original source- I could find. No evidence, proof of course. So I eagerly await a response to your question.

As for that "Birkin bag"? See my post #110.

[tavernier]

146. Worth 11 billion

Per NY Post

[AloeVera]

164. Must be true then. Nt

[womanofthehills]

166. Israrl News Haaretz - social media not convinced

"Did Sinwar's Wife Carry a $32,000 Bag Through Hamas' Tunnels Under Gaza?

Footage from the night before Hamas' October 7 attack showed Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar's wife holding what appeared to be a Birkin bag – but social media wasn't convinced"

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2024-10-20/ty-article/.premium/did-sinwars-wife-carry-a-32-000-bag-through-hamas-tunnels-under-gaza/00000192-ab6c-d049-a3db-bf7ea7440000


Many people online who are familiar with Birkin bags, say its definitely not one. Metal in wrong places and wrong stitching. Remember we were told of the forty beheaded babies and cooked babies.

[womanofthehills]

172. Hundreds of companies making replicas of this particular bag

https://www.behermesbags.com/hermes-birkin-25-retourne-handmade-bag-in-chai-clemence-leather.html

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Birkin+bag+copies#oshopproduct=gid:1746838027770319044,mid:576462764638843432,oid:10652147024124682359,iid:3356554480471206554,pvt:a,pvo:3&oshop=apv&pvs=0


https://www.amazon.com/s?k=birkin+bag+replica+amazon&hvadid=462902782264&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9030422&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=11283420228239353340&hvtargid=kwd-305717545356&hydadcr=8348_11335339&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_67riv11z5z_e

[brush]

180. That's what I figured.

[JustAnotherGen]

47. You.don't need to

You need to do a Google lens search - and it pops right up. I do not aspire to own a Birkin bag - but I can tell one from a distance.

[womanofthehills]

169. What also pops up is hundreds of copies/dupes/replicas of Birkin bags as low as $50

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Birkin+bag+copies#oshopproduct=gid:1746838027770319044,mid:576462764638843432,oid:10652147024124682359,iid:3356554480471206554,pvt:a,pvo:3&oshop=apv&pvs=0

[JustAnotherGen]

183. Yeah

I highly doubt a Billionaire's wife hiding out in Tunnels and Palestine had a Poshmark or Amazon Delivery - or walked around lower Manhattan to buy one.

Billionaires buy Hermes / Birken.

Millionaires buy Kate Spade and Louis.

Rich Folks buy Kors.

[jimfields33]

62. No. IDF is trying to save the entire country from HAMAS

who are the evil villains in this whole mess.

[Mosby]

3. Video tour of his underground bunker.

Wait till you see the safe.

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

5. Thanks for this, Mosby.

Millions of shekels as Palestinian starve. A bomb shelter, fully equipped as Palestinians die.

[Eko]

11. A shekel is about .27 of an American Dollar.

At 2 million that is about $540,000. Sinwar was a terrorist who deserved to die but are the Israelis incapable of counting or even estimating to a number? Really, are we to expect that the leader of a huge terrorist network doesn't have at least $540,000 with him? That is news? Oh, wait, he has food from UNRWA which is the majority of the food getting to the whole damn place and we are supposed to think that UNRWA and Sinwar are in collaboration? That is propaganda. Hamas is horrible. The Israeli government while being better than Hamas by far is still a right wing authoritarian government. Don't fall for the propaganda. Even Dump is better than Hamas, would you support Dump if he was against Hamas? Of course not. The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

[Beastly Boy]

40. This is what he left behind when he fled the place.

And yes, this is news.

And no, he is not the only terrorist who has food intended for Gazan civilians, or millions of shekels. By far. Most of it out of Gaza. And it's not collaboration, it is grand theft. From starving children. With UNRWA willfully neglecting the fact.

And no, "our" expectations of the sums of money in possession of the leader of a terrorist organizations do not make it any less disgusting.

And "Hamas is horrible, but Israel..." is an old overused tired deflection.

And in this instance, the deflection is particularly egregious.

[Eko]

113. If you want to talk about starving children.

I'd suggest you talk about the people who are immediately causing that, of course you cant because it would just be a "but Israel" and you are incapable of assigning any blame to this horrific situation to them. See that the difference between you and I, I can assign blame to both Israel and Hamas. You, you just cant for some reason. It's as if Israel can't do any bad in your eyes.

[Beastly Boy]

131. Actually, I wasn't talking about starving children.

I was talking about the contents of Sinwar's hideout.

What made you think I wanted to talk about starving children? That would completely fail to address the post you are replying to.

[Eko]

132. These arent your words?

"And no, he is not the only terrorist who has food intended for Gazan civilians, or millions of shekels. By far. Most of it out of Gaza. And it's not collaboration, it is grand theft. From starving children. With UNRWA willfully neglecting the fact."

[Beastly Boy]

137. Yes they are.

And you get three chances to guess what the subject of this passage is.

Think back to English Composition 101.

...Ok, i will give you a hint: it's not sheckels.

[Eko]

139. Oh, I'm sorry. That's right, we cant talk about things you have talked about.

To me, on a post, on this thread, with your exact words.

[Beastly Boy]

143. Hey, you have my unqualified permission to talk about things that I have said.

When are you planning to start?

[Eko]

145. See post 113, you know, the one that you responded to where you said you weren't talking about starving children

Then when confronted with your exact words you admitted those were your words and then you attempted to deflect the conversation. And now you are deflecting again. Totally in line with someone who claims they have proof of something but then never provides that proof so I'm not surprised.

[Beastly Boy]

149. You know that sentences are made up of words, and taking words out oof the context of a sentence

is never a good idea, don't you?

Whan are you planning to start reading the complete sentences in the order that they appear in my posts?

[Eko]

151. You didn't talk about the starving children in Gaza?

Here are your words once again.
"And no, he is not the only terrorist who has food intended for Gazan civilians, or millions of shekels. By far. Most of it out of Gaza. And it's not collaboration, it is grand theft. From starving children. With UNRWA willfully neglecting the fact."
Why don't you want to talk more about the starving children?

[Beastly Boy]

154. What are the sentences that precede what you bolded?

What are they talking about?

Hell, what was my post talking about?

I was talking about Sinwar.

One of several things I mentioned, while talking about Sinwar was that what he did amounts to grand theft. From starving children.
Did I talk about Sinwar or starving children?

Before I was talking about Sinwar stealing food from the starving children, I was talking about what Sinwar left behind when he fled the place. Did I talk about Sinwar or the place he fled?

I also talked about Sinwar possessing food that belonged to Gazan civilians. Did I talk about Sinwar or food?

I also talked about Sinwar possessing millions of sheckels. Did I talk about Sinwar or sheckels?...Oh wait, I already gave that one away...

This ends today's free lesson in English Composition.

Buh-bye!

[Eko]

156. Ha

I also talked about Sinwar possessing food that belonged to Gazan civilians. Did I talk about Sinwar or food?
You talked about Sinwar and food.
One of several things I mentioned, while talking about Sinwar was that what he did amounts to grand theft. From starving children.
You talked about Sinwar and starving children.
This ends today free lesson on logic and English Composition.

[Drum]

17. Whewwwww

[Cha]

35. Mahalo, Mosby..

[JustAnotherGen]

45. Breaking my ban

On amplifying Twitter to rec this post. Will go see if I can find the root link. Thank you.

[Tarheel_Dem]

95. That footage is alarming, but not at all surprising. While those above ground starve to death and pay with their...

lives, Sinwar and associates were living high on the hog? SMDH.

[enid602]

4. Racists

I remember scores of similar articles here in the States during the Civil Rights movement of the sixties. Racist articles have not evolved much since then.

[sheshe2]

8. I don't understand your post.

What about the article or event is racist and compares to the Civil Rights movement?

[enid602]

36. Distractions

I grew up in the US. During the ‘60’s, many journalists defended the often hard-handed tactics of the police by pointing out that African Americans drove Cadillacs or indulged in small luxuries which implied they were not so bad off.
Israel is currently facing huge international criticism for its Gaza policy. You see, what sticks out to me from these videos is not the presence of a purse which may or not be worth $32000, but rather the absolute destruction of this section of Rafa. When I saw a similar video on TV, the cameras panned out to show miles of deserted, pulverized hellscape. The purse which may or may not have been worth $32k or the safe with $1/2 million in it is really just a distraction.

[Beastly Boy]

41. Seriously, are you comparing Hamas to the Civil Rights leaders?

How many Civil Rights leaders orchestrated attacks that killed over 1000 Jews in one day?

And speaking of Rafah, what were thousands of armed terrorists, including the most dangerous terrorist in the world, doing in the residential areas of Rafah?

[JustAnotherGen]

50. Regarding the Cadillacs

That was the Philadelphia Mississippi Welfare Queen speech by Ronnie Raygun.

So a decade later.

Flash forward to the mid to late teens - post Hurricane Sandy. I still get angry about "how can a poor person afford Dooney and Bourke" comments on a post Sandy article on FB on a NJ news source page.

Well - that's because JAG only had D & B, Ralph and Brooks Brothers clothes and bags to give.

I highly doubt someone donated a Birkin bag to this woman from WITHIN Palestine/Gaza. That didn't happen.

And stop comparing them to my Grandparents. It's not my Grand Daddy's, his father's, or his grandfather's fault they got one over on America and stole their American Dream - in Talladega Alabama. For reference - my dad's parents were born at the turn of the last century in Mississippi and Alabama - and were Morehouse and Spelman Grads.

Stop comparing them to us. Just stop it - PLEASE. You want to compare these folks to South Africa - have a day.

The single biggest difference? We were kidnapped and brought here. Per the Palestinians - they have been there for thousands of years.

And look at your own family. You grew up the 60's? Right? If my family stepped ahead of them - it was in spite of them.

So when Harris wins and folks start reading the fine print of her first time home owners financial plan -

Don't be surprised when she evens things up. Its an assist to my family who in spite of paying Ike's top tax rate - continuously reached down into their community and pulled people up . . .

Because they saw the massive rip off your family benefited from (The New Deal).

Just stop. It demeans the Black American experience and gives white Americans an offramp they should not be provided.

[enid602]

58. Offramps

I was comparing police actions in Israel to those here in the US during the 1960’s. The Cadillac comments were common here in 1965. Unfortunately, there is no offramp for anyone. We’ll all be long judged for our reactions to events.

[JustAnotherGen]

99. Where in 1965?

What state? What newspaper article? Linda Taylor wasn't identified, tried, and convicted until 1974.

[enid602]

184. Cadillacs

I worked part time freshman year in college at Georgetown. In 1972, in the Senate office of the notorious Jesse Helms. I did not know who he was. I worked in his mailroom, where we separated checks (donations) from correspondence. Most people included printed ‘jokes’ (racial slurs) that were like small regious tracts. They’re not worth repeating, but many featured Cadillacs in their racist messages.

[betsuni]

93. Thank you.

[enid602]

37. Dupe

Delete dupe.

[XorXor]

26. Not sure how I feel about equating MLK or Rosa Parks to terrorists from Hamas

[Beastly Boy]

42. It's a distraction.

And the reasons for it? Not hard to guess.

[yardwork]

60. I know how I feel about it.

Cultural appropriation.

[enid602]

85. Parks

I’m not sure Rosa Parks, if Palestinian would be able to enter a bus at all in Tel Aviv. Would she have even come in contact with a Jew during her lifetime. That’s how segregated Gaza is.

[former9thward]

123. Before Oct 7th thousands of Palestinians traveled from Gaza everyday to Israel.

Work, medical appointments, shopping, etc. So they had contact with Jews if they so desired. Arabs do use buses and other public transportation in Tel Aviv and everyplace else in Israel. Maybe get out of your bubble.

[enid602]

134. Gazan travel to Israel

I’ve researched a solid hour and cannot find where Gazans were ever allowed into Israel for shopping or medical appointments. Plenty of mention about work programs for Gazans in Israel prior to 10/7. This program was significantly broadened after 2000, as Gazan workers were increased to 16000 daily.

Gazans are the most isolated people on Earth, according to several sources.

Under pressure, Israel eased restrictions on American citizens of Palestinian descent, but not if they’re traveling directly from Gaza. I think Israel may have had some ‘economic incentive’ to make this exception.

[EX500rider]

135. A solid hour? took me 10 seconds

According to the petitioners, before the war started in October, about 2,000 patients were transferred each month from Gaza via the Erez crossing to receive medical treatment, mainly at hospitals in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

[enid602]

141. Gazans

The prior post said thousands of Palestinians traveled daily to ISRAEL (not areas recognized as Palestine) for medical appointments (not hospital stays) AND SHOPPING. It gave the impression that Gazans were free to pass through Israel.

[former9thward]

144. An hour?

It took me 10 seconds using google. And I am giving you an anti-Israel website which I am sure you will enjoy.

According to World Health Organization (WHO) figures, 20,411 applications for medical exit permits from the Gaza Strip were submitted in 2022. About 51% were for treatment in East Jerusalem hospitals, about 31% for hospitals elsewhere in the West Bank, and about 18% for hospitals within Israel. The Israeli DCO rejected 6,848 (34%) of the applications, in some cases directly informing patients their application was denied and in others providing no response before the scheduled appointment. Of the applications submitted, 9,641 were for women, 2,935 (30%) of which were rejected; 6,254 were for minors, 1,906 (30%) of which were rejected; and 3,875 were for patients over the age of 60, 843 (22%) of which were rejected.


https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20230404_in_2022_too_israel_prevented_thousands_of_palestinians_in_need_of_medical_care_from_leaving_gaza_for_treatment#:~:text=According%20to%20World%20Health%20Organization,18%25%20for%20hospitals%20within%20Israel.

Despite the hate in this website even by their own figures Israel approved the vast majority of medical exit permits.

[enid602]

148. Travel

So Israel allowed 4 Palestinians into Israel per day for hospital stays. Thanks for clearing that up. Shopping visits?

[former9thward]

150. Why am I not surprised you would find something else to complain about Israel.

Quickly moving the goalposts. Why are you not complaining about the Egyptian blockade of Gaza? Hmmm.

[EX500rider]

138. Yes, you are right, there are zero Jews living in Gaza because they would be killed for their religion, very segregated

Israel on the other hand:

As of the end of 2022, there were approximately 2.04 million Arabs living in Israel, which is around 21.1% of the country's total population

[betsuni]

97. It's in the script. Equating them makes Hamas terrorists morally righteous freedom fighters battling racism

because everyone knows the Civil Rights movement was on the right side of history. Convenient way to turn America and Jews into racist capitalist murdering cartoon villains.

[EX500rider]

136. yep

[tritsofme]

84. lol, now this is a funny one! Yes, it's obviously racism to expose those good guys in Hamas living a life of luxury

We should all keep quiet about it.

[RockRaven]

7. Where are the Palestinian protestors? Protesting mass slaughter and destruction,

probably, since it is ongoing.

[sheshe2]

9. Well, why aren't they protesting their 'leader'?

The rich guy that built a bomb shelter that must have cost many dollars and fully stocked it with all the necessities of home, kitchen, bathroom, bodyguards and a huge safe stocked with millions....As he leaves his people to die.

*** see post 3 for the tour of his shelter.

[RockRaven]

10. Why don't you go talk to them and ask them?

Maybe you will find that they are single issue protestors...
or maybe you will find that they have or even still do protest that and you are simply unaware or misinformed...
or maybe you will find that they don't see protesting a dead guy as a good use of their time, since he's dead and all...

It is unlikely that whatever you find will be an effective whataboutism distraction from the reality of what they are currently protesting.

[sheshe2]

14. Perhaps they should have asked him while he was still alive.

I guess they were too busy to go to the source...
Instead they protest Americans that happen to be Jewish. They protest on campuses, libraries, and restaurants that happen to be Jewish. After 10/7 they tore down pictures of the missing men women and children that escaped the initial slaughter.
They painted graffiti on walls costing thousands of dollars in damages and chant "from the river and to the sea"*

HOW IT’S ANTISEMITIC:
Piece of a poster from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorist group which says "From the River to the Sea"
A poster from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorist group.
“From the River to the Sea, Palestine Will Be Free” is a rallying cry for terrorist groups and their sympathizers, from the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) to Hamas, which called for Israel’s destruction in its original governing charter in 1988 and was responsible for the October 7, 2023 terror attack on Israeli civilians, murdering over 1,200 people in the single deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust. It is also a common call-to-arms for pro-Palestinian activists, especially student activists on college campuses. It calls for the establishment of a State of Palestine from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, erasing the State of Israel and its people. Another phrase “Globalize the Intifada,” which uses the Arabic word for “uprising” or “shaking off,” also calls for widespread violence against both Israelis and Jews across the globe (see “Globalize the Intifada”).

https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/From-the-River-to-the-Sea

[Hekate]

27. Sheshe

[betsuni]

30. +1

[sheshe2]

31. Thank you.

[betsuni]

32. This thread!

[enid602]

15. Racists then and now

I simply made a comment that the Jerusalem Post’s observation that Mrs Sinwar was wearing a $32000 purse (without being able to prove it was authentic) is similar to police apologists here in the States who criticized civil rights leaders for driving Cadillacs and having extramarital affairs in the 1960’s. As if these after-the-fact observations would somehow legitimize their cruelty and destruction. That’s on them.

[LeftInTX]

20. Baloney. One of Hamas leaders absconded from the US

US with over a billion dollars. These guys are billionaires. He's still wanted in the US

[womanofthehills]

174. Here's the same purse for $500 but you can also get a similar one at Walmart for $50

https://www.behermesbags.com/hermes-birkin-25-retourne-handmade-bag-in-chai-clemence-leather.html

[Eko]

12. Prob because he is not the guy killing Palestinian civilians.

Guy has a bomb shelter vs guy killing your people, I don't know, doesn't seem too hard to see the difference. If Putin sent nukes to the US would you blame Biden for being in a bomb shelter or Putin?

[sheshe2]

18. Come on, Eko.

The man is/was the leader of Hamas. He is indeed killing Palestinians by doing nothing to protect them. He has all the amenities of home in his shelter and a SAFE STASHED WITH MILLIONS. All this as his people die.

If Putin sent nukes to the US would you blame Biden for being in a bomb shelter or Putin?

We have known each other a long time here and were friends, Eko and this is beneath you.

Joe Biden is my President as well as yours and he would never forsake the American people in a time of war. Why would I or anyone else think otherwise.

[Eko]

19. We are friends. We will always be friends.

I would ask that you look at my reply up thread on the millions and alleged UNRA collaboration. We 100% agree that Sinwar and Hamas are bad. But Bibi is a Trump. Hamas is bad doesn't mean Bibi is good, quite the contrary and it bears looking out for propaganda from Bibi.

[sheshe2]

22. I never once said that BiBi is good or innocent!

I have not once supported his role in all this.

However you brought up President Joe Biden and that beneath you.

[Eko]

24. Only as an example of a leader.

Whose lands may be attacked and seeking shelter. How can we fault one leader from taking shelter in a bunker where they have more resources than the common people and even expect our to do so as well? That would be hypocrisy would it not?

[Eko]

25. I mean are we expecting Biden to strap on a M240 machine gun and go out to fight russian bombs

or would we think he would hide up in a bunker doing command and control with much better amenities than the regular DC civilians and have some US currency to help things along? This is not a moral or political question but a strategic one. Implying that Hamas is evil for choosing a strategic tactic instead of a movie scene is just straight out stupid. Israel doing so is just propaganda. Movie stuff.

[sheshe2]

29. "implying Hamas is evil"

*******GRAPHIC WARNING*******


Forensic specialists identifying the remains.

Charred remains and a CT scan of the remains show an adult and a child who were bound together and burned alive by Hamas terrorists on Oct. 7. Two spinal columns can be seen in the scan. The pair were likely embracing as they burned. (Aaron Poris/The Media Line)

Two spinal cords—one belonging to an adult, one to someone young—most likely a parent and child —bound together by metal wires in a final embrace before being set alight.

snip
Kugel also explained that the age range of the victims spans from 3 months to 80 or 90 years old. Many bodies, including those of babies, are without heads.

Asked if they were decapitated, Kugel answered yes. Although he admits that, given the circumstances, it’s difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death, as well as how they were beheaded, “whether cut off by knife or blown off by RPG,” he explained.

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/

I don't suggest you read the full article, it would make you ill. I read several of these reports after the massacre. It will give you nightmares.

[Eko]

34. Sure, we wont argue that hamas is evil, but that is not what I said.

"Implying that Hamas is evil for choosing a strategic tactic" that we or anyone else would use ourselves. Stick to that subject. Would we expect Bibi not to hide out in a bunker? To run outside and shoot the incoming drones himself? That is the question. Hamas is horrible. But don't let Israel create propaganda to make them something out that they are not. Might as well as let Trump make Iran more of an enemy than they are really are. Propaganda.

[AloeVera]

69. Do you know how many charred corpses are in Gaza?

Neither do I.

There are no autopsies or pathologists to document and show to the world over and over their deaths and their agony. They are simply buried if they are lucky and unacknowleged and forgotten by all except their loved ones if there are any remaining.

Just yesterday over 80 people, mostly women and children, were killed when their homes and a multi-story apartment building were levelled. North Gaza is a charnel house, with only one barely operating hospital and even that one is being attacked. Where do the wounded and burned go?? They are left to die horribly, intentionally! The cruelty inherent in that fact, I will NEVER understand.

There is no equivalency between a claimed Birkin bag and the horrors suffered by Palestinians every day since Oct 7th. Not a thousand real Birkin bags absolve Israel of its cruelty.

As a form of distraction, though, it serves its purpose for those grasping at straws to justify or mitigate it.

[NickB79]

73. All thanks to Hamas

Israel completely pulled out of Gaza over 15 yrs ago. No settlements. Even dug up their dead from Jewish cemeteries. And then Hamas took power, in large part by assassinations of PLO politicians.

If Oct 7 hadn't occurred, there wouldn't be charred corpses in Gaza today. If Hamas has spent the billions in international aid on the Palestinian people instead of of weapons and tunnels, they'd be a thriving metropolis. The horrors suffered by the Palestinian people are DIRECTLY linked to Hamas trying to spark a holy war.

[ZRB]

77. This

[AloeVera]

79. The horrors suffered are the result of Israel's decision to inflict Amalek and another Nakba on Palestinians.

It's biblical-level pure vengeance and extermination. That kind of behaviour has no place in our modern world and neither do the sorry justifications for it.

Doubtful you would engage in that type of victim-blaming if a mass murderer killed off the neighbourhood and all its children in a rage of vengeance for his neighbour having killed his wife. Yet that kind of morally dubious thinking and judgement seems acceptable if you are an Israel apologist.

Sure, Gaza could have become another Singapore, right? If only Hamas....

You ignore basic facts. Gaza is not sovereign. It is still occupied territory, highly controlled for 17 years. Blockaded. It's economy and manufacturing throttled as a result. Airspace, waters and borders closed and owned by Israel. Fisheries, agriculture devastated. Even it's birth nd death registry owned by Israel. Power station and airport bombed. Not allowed to rebuild an airport or have a seaport. Bombed every few years. Poisoned water, scarce electricity. Caged in like animals by their zookepers. It would have been a feat indeed to build a "thriving metropolis" out of that.

But facts be damned when clever talking points serve their purpose.

Bottom line? Gaza was never meant to thrive and neither is the WB. Because who shall thrive "Between the Jordan and the sea" and have sovereignty? In whose charter is that proclaimed? It's Israel's plan, perhaps since 1948 but surely under Likud. It's in their charter and they are making it happen finally through another Nakba.
That should be apparent by now even to its apologists.

[Eko]

118. Come on now,

You cant bring up history here. Everything was peachy keen for the Palestinians before Hamas attacked Israel.

[AloeVera]

127. I cannot be deterred from my mission, Eko. Not even by you.

You know, being a Hamas-lover-agent and all. I've received my instructions. History and the Nakba are at the top of the list.

Presently though, exposing the Great Birkin Hoax is my latest assignment. It's ridiculously easy.

[Eko]

128. I honestly laughed out loud reading that.

Keep on keeponing AloeVera.
Eko.

[AloeVera]

129. I have my monents...

And thanks...

[EX500rider]

140. Gaza had a whole border with Eygpt not controlled by Israel..I wonder why their fellow Arabs kept it fairly shut also?

Hmmm, could it be because their main export was terrorism?

More Gazan's traveled into Israel then Eygpt each day before the war.

[Eko]

117. Sure, Israel is not responsible for anything they do to the Palestinians because of Hamas.

Right?

[Beastly Boy]

74. Of course there is no equivalency between a claimed Birkin bag and the horrors suffered by Palestinians

The former constitutes petty theft from the Palestinian people

The latter constitutes a organized systemic "martyring" of Palestinian people on behalf of Hamas, a terrorist organization that frequently bragged about their fratricidal intentions towards the Gazan civilians.

[AloeVera]

82. Yeah I know you're fond of "look what you made me do" rationalizations.

Hope you wouldn't do that on behalf of a wife-beater.

Have a nice day.

[Beastly Boy]

86. I am more fond of challenging " look there, not here" rationalizations.

This is why I often find myself replying to your posts.

Enjoy!

[AloeVera]

94. Not surprised you think the exterminations in Gaza RIGHT NOW amount to no more than a silly deflection.

Nevertheless, this whole o/p is all about deflection. Don't look at Gaza, though kids are being incinerated as we speak or die horrible deaths as we are destroying their last hospital! Dont look at Lebanon!

Look at the Birkin !! Look at the bunker! Look at the shekels!

Never mind that Birkin! took a year to identify. Better late than never, right? Especially now when demonization is a must to cover for what is happening and is about to happen.

No doubt that Birkin! will take it's place in the pantheon of Israel's lies, right next to the Human Shields! and 40 Decapitated Babies!

[Beastly Boy]

96. I don't The silly distraction I am referring to, and you know this perfectly well, is

consistent refusal to face the basic truth of who "martyrs" the Gazans, despite certain characters in possession of UNRWA employee IDs repeatedly bragging about doing just that and gleefully facilitating more of the same.

Oh, and also the silly distraction of deflecting from the above every chance one gets.

[AloeVera]

100. It's the woman's fault. She did it to herself.

The succession of absurdities, illogic, demonization, fantasy and delusion - in defense of the indefensible - coming from you would be jaw-dropping if it were anyone else but you.

From you?

[Beastly Boy]

108. If by the proverbial woman you mean Hamas (a very odd analogy indeed),

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she didn't do it to herself, she did it to the Palestinian people.

If by the proverbial woman you mean all Gazans, this betrays your utter ignorance of international laws.

You have yet to demonstrate your basic understanding of the respective duties and responsibilities of belligerent combatants in a war zone. And, being blissfully oblivious to them, it is no wonder that you find it far easier to smear someone who expects your consideration of these matters in your comments than to actually gain some elementary knowledge of the subject you keep getting outraged over.

And while I, being a fan of insult comedy, appreciate your expanding range of contemptuous epithets you hurl at me, the farcical nature of these epithets, me being a fan of the comedy of the absurd as well, does not escape my attention either.

[Eko]

120. And you have proved that you are incapabale of understanding Military Necessity and Proportionality.

I'll try again.

&t=93s

[Beastly Boy]

142. I don't quite get your reference to military necessity and proportionality.

My understanding of the two concepts is pretty close to what the guy in the video says.

Did you bring him up as an example of someone as incapable of understanding these concepts as I am?

[Eko]

147. Since you watched it you would be familiar with the US's views on military necessity and proportionality.

As that was what he was talking about. Did you notice the numbers he used when talking about how many civilian deaths are appropriate vs enemy deaths? If so did you notice the huge difference between the US's stance and Israels?

[Beastly Boy]

153. Tell me if I am wrong, but I recall no particular formula he mentioned.

According to him, it is the unpleasant calculus between the value of the target in proportion to the risks to civilians.

Am I wrong?

So what difference are you talking about, and how do you propose to measure this difference when the variables making it up vary with each unique situation?

Can you give an example of a time when the US army applied the principles of military necessity and proportionality in a significantly different way from IDF in similar circumstances? Was there a time when, to your knowledge, any Middle Eastern country applied these principles in a significantly different way? Any European country? Any African country?

[Eko]

155. Here you go.

8:52-12:35. He is talking about two high value targets with about 100 enemy soldiers vs about 200 civilian casualties. So 1-2 on a high value target. Is this what Israel has been doing in Gaza?

"In December, it described an assessment that it was killing two civilians for every Hamas fighter as "tremendously positive", given the challenges it faced on the battlefield."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68387864
Now, that is probably a best possible estimate by the IDF. It could possibly be higher and of course there is no way that every Hamas fighter is a high value target. It could easily be 3 or 4 civilians for every Hamas fighter. So no, they are not following Military Necessity and Proportionality, at least as we do here in the US. As I am a US citizen and as I think we do a pretty good job of providing morals to our military I'm going by our standards. By those standards Israel is killing a lot of civilians when they shouldn't. You can use whatever standards you want though.

[EX500rider]

158. I don't think the IDF is doing any worse then the US military, better IMO due to almost purely urban warfare

[Eko]

159. Really?

Afganistan 2001-2019
Military Deaths 113,481.
Civilian 43,571.
That is 2.60 Military killed for every Civilian.
If it was Israel going by their best case scenario it would be.
Military Deaths 113,481.
Civilian 226,962.
As they think 1 Military killed for every 2 civilians is a good thing.
You really don't see a difference?
Israel 1-2
US 2.6-1
No difference?

[EX500rider]

160. Ah, yes, cherry pick the one with the fight up in the mountains..

How about try Iraq War 1 & 2, Vietnam, Korea etc

[Eko]

163. You want to use the Iraq war?

Granted it falls right in line with what is happening in Gaza. You supported that war and think it was a good thing? Were you ok with all the civilian casualties? As far as Vietnam and Korea I would not use them as any metric as the tech is so far advanced since then. If you notice pretty much all of them from the last 20 years stick to about an average of 30% civilian death rate excluding Iraq and including the second infatada. I exclude Iraq as I dont know a single Democrat or Liberal that was not against that war and outraged at the extreme measures we went to that led to such a large civilian death. Of course there is always the exception.

[EX500rider]

167. Whether you're for or against the war doesn't change the civilian casualty percentage

And I'm sure the US was trying not to kill civilians with strict rules of engagement, just like the IDF
But urban combat against non-uniform terrorist opponents will never be pretty

[Eko]

168. You also might want to take into account

The Sunni-Shiite religious civil war 2006–2008 and the ISIS insurgency 2013–2017 in which many civilians were killed not by US forces but seem to be counted in the civilian deaths you provided for the Iraq war. Iraq is the one outlier in 24 years of conflict and one that was and is criticized for the the civilian death toll. The average civilian deaths for the last 24 years is 30% in the wars you listed, one that Israel is far exceeding. It was correct to criticize and even condemn the US for its results in the Iraq war just as it is correct to do so now regarding Israel.

[EX500rider]

182. The only wars I would compare it to would be purely urban combat against non-uniformed opponents

Ukraine for example has a well defined front line (like WWI) allowing civilians to be elsewhere, with uniformed opponents.

Urban combat against a non-uniformed opponent who hides amoung civilians is a whole different type of war.

A fundamental premise of the Geneva Conventions has been that to earn the right to protection as military fighters, soldiers must distinguish themselves from civilians by wearing uniforms and carrying their weapons openly

[NickB79]

57. Hamas IS evil. Full stop.

This is Sinwar and one of the "freedom fighters" he's willing to sacrifice to kill the Jews.

[Eko]

122. Of course they are. Way to miss the point.

Implying that Hamas is evil for choosing a strategic tactic instead of a movie scene is just straight out stupid. Israel doing so is just propaganda. Movie stuff.
For choosing a strategic tactic such as a leader being in a bunker when they are being attacked. Of would you expect that any leader should run out and fight the enemy themselves?

[JustAnotherGen]

170. This is sick

Good riddance. Poor little kid.

[Beastly Boy]

43. He was. Until recently.

And he didn't change his mind either.

[EX500rider]

44. You mean the man responsible for why Israel is attacking them in the first place?

Their lack of protest makes it look like killing Jewish civilians at a music festival and raping and kidnapping others is just fine and dandy

[Eko]

115. He made Israel kill all those civilians?

Well, he is dead now thankfully. He can not be making Israel do anything so by that logic their actions from now on are on them right?

[EX500rider]

133. No, just like Hitler started a war but his death did not end it, they surrendered after he died

Hamas can surrender or keep on till they are wiped out to the last man, their choice.

If Hamas cared at ALL about the citizens of Gaza they would surrender.
Their plan was to start a war on Israel that others would join in the assault but besides some rockets & UAV's & missiles they did not get the help they were expecting, plan didn't work, call it a day or die.

[JustAnotherGen]

181. I was going to compare it to

Japan started a war with the US - and awakened a sleeping beast. That triggered Germany to declare war on us.

Didn't end well for either aggressor.

[Mosby]

13. At Cornell they are assaulting police officers.

https://cornellsun.com/2024/10/19/footage-shows-pro-palestinian-protesters-push-past-police-at-career-fair-disruption/

[Shellback Squid]

16. can confirm the bags are black

[Gaugamela]

21. Obviously, if they're not all eating mud pies, if a handful are corrupt, then they're all

vermin! At least the Israelis are westernized bourgeoisie who know how to wipe their asses, FFS. Of course the Israelis are going to burn them alive in their tents. That’s what we’d do, right? I mean, look at Wounded Knee. And we’re the measure of all things because we’re Americans and we’re exceptional, dammit!

[Beastly Boy]

46. Are you seriously arguing that terrorist leaders are not vermin?

Aside from their culinary preferences...

[flying_wahini]

23. A side note- Melanoma Trumps bag was also a Birkin but worth 70k.

The one at the Catholic dinner last week.

[womanofthehills]

176. I'm not into Melanoma but internet has her bag worth all different amts

13K, 33K etc etc -

[moniss]

28. Of course any mention of another certain corrupt leader

and money for themselves will not be allowed to be asked of the IDF spokesperson. How do we know the bag wasn't photo-shopped? How do we know if the bag truly was hers that it wasn't a gift from a leader etc. from another country as is done routinely with leaders around the world? Oh that's right we don't know but let's have the IDF go and make the macabre assertion that Palestinians aren't starving because of the Israeli government and IDF policies under their Dahiya Doctrine of purposely imposing mass suffering and deprivation of civilians but instead it's all about a handbag.

When the Israeli government/IDF make accusations of corruption and crimes irony jumps up so big it could be seen with the naked eye from the moon.

[Beastly Boy]

48. But... Israel?

How does corruption of one leader mitigate the corruption of his enemy?

[moniss]

49. You answered your own question.

[Beastly Boy]

51. You responded to a post about Sinwar.

You deflected to Netanyahu.

And yes, the question was rhetorical.

[moniss]

52. Apparently you asked a question for which

you didn't perceive as having the answer in the asking. But to make it more understandable the accusation of corruption about Sinwar is coming from corrupt leaders themselves. Of course one does not negate the other but it was not Sinwar making the accusation here. Bringing up the irony of the pot calling the kettle black is not deflection. It is accurate observation.

[Beastly Boy]

54. What I didn't perceive is my question being taken out of context.

There is no question that both leaders are corrupt, the issue I have with your reply is bringing this up as a deflection.

In a response to the OP about Sinwar, the context is clear. And so is the deflection.

[moniss]

56. Hardly. The issue you have with my reply lies

somewhere else. One crook pointing at another crook is the context. Along with the depravity of the IDF being the ones making a deflection. He who dances on the grave of his enemy seldom holds a mirror. Depraved leaders and their adherents seldom see themselves as anything but righteous. Leave the condemnation of Sinwar, rightly or wrongly, to a time when not living in a glass house. The world sees what is done and by what hand.

[Beastly Boy]

59. Are you teling me what my issues with your reply ought to be?

The context was laid out in the OP. And it is not one crook pointing at another crook.

This is the context you want to impose on the OP, and I am not biting.

[moniss]

63. You can bite whatever you choose

and it is not a matter of saying what your issue ought to be but rather that my observation is your issue lies somewhere else. You feel it doesn't. That's fine. As far as the act of the IDF/Israeli leadership described here it can be summed up by saying that mirrors are an incredibly rare commodity for leaders in the region and among many of their adherents around the world. It is not unusual that people avoiding their own reflection howl when someone suggests a mirror. The IDF/Right wing Israeli leadership routinely howl.

The OP contains the IDF spokesperson etc. and that is one crook pointing at another. But the idea of and display of hypocrisy by leaders in the region and around the world as well as some of their adherents is common currency rather than a rarity. Sometimes the shoe fits so tightly that although horribly uncomfortable it can't be removed by words. The IDF and far right leaders in Israel's government have affixed permanent footwear on themselves and it displeases them and many of their adherents around the world that people do notice rather than be distracted.

[Beastly Boy]

65. You gave no rational grounds to claim that my issue lies somewhere else.

If this is your observation, it doesn't reflect what my issue is. This is not what I feel, it is what the OP has determined regardless of your observations or my feelings. The OP is the reference, and you may choose to ignore it, but that only detracts from the validity of your observation.

[moniss]

67. As I said it's fine if you feel

differently. My observations are not changed and I clearly do address the content of the OP as well as considering your comments.

[Beastly Boy]

68. Once again, it is not what I feel. It is what's in the OP.

And once again, this doesn't change depending your observations or my feelings.

[moniss]

71. You spoke about your feelings

and whether you felt something. Next time I'll remember that when you specifically talk about and reference your feelings you aren't talking about or referencing your feelings.

[Cha]

90. I've Noticed three's Always "Deflection" when

something is reported about Hamas.

Mahalo for calling it out.

[betsuni]

38. Capitalism, cozy bomb shelters for wealthy terrorist billionaires saying right out loud lots of civilian martyrs

is a must for successful fundraising and support so no shelters, food, nice bags, life for them -- perfectly fine as long as yer not Western! Obligatory Civil Rights movement and American historical references to throw the usual YER RACISTS at the bad capitalist Americans.

[obamanut2012]

39. My sister has a fake Birkin she paid $350 for

It looks like the real thing.

[womanofthehills]

175. There are tons of fake Birkin bags out there

You can even search Amazon for - dupe Birkin bag - even Walmart carries them

[AloeVera]

179. Funny thing is...

The bag in the video is most definitely not the Birkin it's made out to be. You can clearly see a vertical line in the left third of the width of the purse. Oddly, that vertical line is missing in the much blurrier still-capture pic. Something funny going on there.

As well, the gold trim in 2 places is placed differently than in the real one and does not match in size and shape.

It's a poor quality propaganda hoax.

Now why do you suppose not one of Israel's defenders here has caught on or acknowledged this?

[Jirel]

53. Your post is grotesque.

If you think the IDF can identify a Birkin Bag versus a million similar basic black purses, including many knock-offs from dirt cheap to fairly expensive brand name, from that grainy garbage, I have excellent swamp land in Louisiana to sell you.

Supporting Palestinians is not supporting Hamas or its leaders or their families. This kind of propaganda is worthy of Trump Humpers, not thinking people.

[Beastly Boy]

64. If IDF can identify Sinwar's DNA in the tunnel where hostages were executed,

I don't think identifying a designer's bag would present an insurmountable challenge for them.

Supporting Palestinians is not supporting Hamas, but that's not what you are doing in your post.

You are labeling a report from Sinwar's hideout, not the details about Sinwar it documents, as grotesque. And the report is all about Sinwar, not the Palestinian people. That comes awfully close to exculpating Sinwar for my taste.

[sheshe2]

66. Jirel,

You are not seriously calling a member of this Democratic board a “Trump humper”, are you? You should rethink your wording.

Supporting Palestinians is not supporting Hamas or its leaders or their families. This kind of propaganda is worthy of Trump Humpers, not thinking people.

[JustAnotherGen]

171. Indeed that user name did

[sheshe2]

173. Thought so.

I notice he has not responded.

I was nice and did not alert the personal attack.

[Tarheel_Dem]

89. You have quite the nerve.

[Cha]

98. NO, Jirel it is Not the Post that is "Grotesque" and who

you calling "trump Humpers" on Democratic Underground.. that's Obscene.

Fucking Hamas Does Not Get a Pass.

[AloeVera]

110. You better start selling that Louisiana land. You'll be rich.

Not because it's a Birkin bag but because the belief that it is - is unshakeable. People believe whatever fits their dogma. The dogma here is strong and so is the gullibility. Some know better, I think...

Of course it's not a Birkin. If people wanted to closely examine the video, it would be clear to them. In the video you see a vertical line on the purse at about a third of the width of the purse. Interestingly, that vertical line is blurred out on the still pic. Now why would that be??

There are other differences in the placement of the two pieces of gold trim. Even a child could see it. Come on, DU'ers, wth?

You know what I take away from all this? Aside from confirmation the IDF lies? As if I needed any. I hope those two little boys are all right.

Good post, thank you. The attacks were predictable as are the ones coming my way.

[womanofthehills]

178. Agree - all the knock-offs are even listed as Birkin replicas

and not a few knock-offs but hundred of companies copy and list them as copies.

Taking away from all the horrific real life Gaza deaths we have seen increasing on Twitter this week, Watching a genocide in real time is so horrific. It gets worse every week - the absolute worse are the kids who are crying still alive under the rubble and the kids with their legs blown off but they are still conscious..Now - the kids are shredded so we watch them pick up what looks like hamburger. Plus we just watched a 19 yr old and his mom burn to death before our eyes. Our kids are viewing this too - When I was a kid, I was upset by the movie Bambi - I can't imagine being young and seeing babies without heads daily on your phone. I can't handle it - how do our children handle it? So many teens on TicToc making videos of their distress about the genocide.

[edhopper]

55. It really saddens me

how many Hamas apologists are here.

[sheshe2]

61. Yes it is, ed.

[Mosby]

70. Seriously. nt

[LeftInTX]

80. It's disgusting. We're talking about a terrorist!

Maybe they don't know that Sinwar is a terrorist or maybe they support him?

This guy is almost as bad as bin laden and they support him?

[Mosby]

130. He ordered the honor killing of one of his sisters.

A Hamas commander was tortured for more than a year before being executed in 2016 on orders from Sinwar, because he confessed to being gay.

He wasn't just a terrorist. The Palestinians themselves called him the Butcher of Khan Yunis.

[AloeVera]

83. It saddens me that there are more recs for a story about a "Birkin bag" than

...posts about Israel's extermination of northern Gaza, its people, homes and hospitals as we speak.

It saddens me that people see it as some proof of some kind of moral equivalency or justification. As if Sinwar's corruption is somehow more newsworthy or worthy of condemnation than the in-the-moment incineration of little children.

Really very sad.

[LexVegas]

121. The far right and far left bend and meet at antisemitism. nt

[Hotler]

72. Sound like republicans to me. nt

[LexVegas]

75. This will make terrorist sympathizers mad and redirect to Israel. nt

[mcar]

76. Yep, crickets from the "Freedom Fighter" supporters

[LeftInTX]

81. What? Did you read the responses?

People here are calling it racism to point out that a terrorist's wife has a $31,000 handbag.

[notroot]

88. I don't see those replies either. Probably because I have so many people on ignore.

I regularly read the "on-fire" threads to find new people to forever ignore. This one was a gold-mine yesterday.

[mcar]

102. I was referring more to the overall quiet

among certain posters since Sinwar's killing.

But yes, there are some...interesting arguments being made here.

[Sneederbunk]

78. Terrori$m is good.

[Tarheel_Dem]

87. I don't often say this, but I'm glad he's dead. Good riddance. nt

[sheshe2]

91. I have to agree with you, Tarheel_Dem.

[Tarheel_Dem]

92. And may the rest of Hamas suffer a similar fate.

[keithbvadu2]

104. Mammon is a very common God amongst religions.

[Jacson6]

109. Umm, Could it have been a knock off?

Sometimes we humans are so vain.

[sheshe2]

112. Hubby was worth 1-3 billion.

You tell me.

[betsuni]

119. No status in a knock-off, vulgar, pointless. The history, high quality, handmade exclusivity of the European brands

and the status of appreciating that quality and affording it is the whole point.

Knock-offs are for people who are going to actually use the bag like a bog

[Mossfern]

116. I haven't read the entire thread yet, but ...

Who the hell pays $32,000 for friggin' handbag?


No :smh: smilie?

[sheshe2]

124. Trump's lawyer ...spent more.

Alina Habba's New $70k Handbag Fuels Outrage
https://www.newsweek.com/alina-habba-seventy-thousand-dollar-handbag-hermes-birkin-croc-1878743

[Mossfern]

125. I'm beginning to see a trend here

Melania, Sinwar's wife, Habba ...

I googled Birkin bag and honestly don't see anything very special about them.
It seems that people own them to show "status." Meh.

My values are different.

[sheshe2]

126. Your values are just fine.

I buy my leather bags at Marshalls. Most I paid is $39 dollars.

[MadameButterfly]

152. As for "where are the Palestinian protesters"

I don't think they have free speech in Gaza and bad things happen to those who speak out against Hamas. Of did, before the war.

Hamas bad, expensive luxury bags in hands of Hamas bad, but lets' not extrapolate the Palestians are ok with this because they aren't out protesting.

[BadGimp]

177. I hate to say this but this story about an " alleged Birkin bag"" ...

...is a bit dishonest in that the precise brand of the bag is not verified. It could easily be a bag of the same design, which is quite common.

But what do I know.