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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:51 PM Dec 2012

Bobcat eats family pet, captured and released.

I'm glad the bobcat wasn't euthanized. She needs to keep her rabbits locked up.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c3#/video/us/2012/12/09/ca-ritchie-bobcat-captured.kmph

California woman was shocked when she found a bobcat eating her pet rabbit outside her window.

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Bobcat In The City, Kills Family Pet

"Right in the middle of the city in Fresno, having a bobcat in your front yard is just amazing," Naomi Hendrix said.

Hendrix couldn't believe her eyes when she walked outside her Tower District home Thursday morning to see what was causing so much noise.

"It was 32 inches or so long and I would say probably 17, 18 inches tall," Hendrix said. "I first knew it had to be a bobcat because it was so big. But it looked just like a cat though."

It didn't sound like a cat though.

"That's when I really realized, I knew it had to be a wild animal because it growled this humongous, really deep, low growl to my cat," Hendrix said.

In the bobcat's mouth was Naomi's pet rabbit. He'd killed it just moments earlier.

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The SPCA eventually did come out and the Department of Fish and Game trapped the one-year-old bobcat, used a tranquillizer and took it back to its office.

Around 3:30 Thursday afternoon, it was released back into the wild in northeast Fresno County.

Naomi tells KMPH News, the Department of Fish and Game told her, the bobcat more than likely targeted her house because it could smell her animals and the compost she uses to feed them and for her garden.

She says she'll probably get another rabbit to keep the other one that wasn't hurt company

http://www.kmph.com/story/20283473/bobcat-in-the-city-kills-family-pet
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Bobcat eats family pet, captured and released. (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 OP
Sad about the bunny, but TDale313 Dec 2012 #1
I know it isn't, but it looks so innocent and cuddly. Liberal Veteran Dec 2012 #5
That cuddly little critter would rip you to shreds! Bake Dec 2012 #104
We must eradicate this evil Bobcat threat to keep our Bunnies safe! didact Dec 2012 #110
Awww. randomtagger Dec 2012 #122
Thank goodness for that AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #2
I caught a glimpse of one in my neighborhood once liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #3
Beautiful creature doing what comes naturally to it. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #4
Also. And the bob cat eats wild rabbits, so that's how it goes. freshwest Dec 2012 #10
Yep. A rabbit to a bobcat is a much needed meal. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #16
I'm really glad that the owner, etc., understood that as well. freshwest Dec 2012 #21
I'm sorry about your pet. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #38
If she thought the growling was scary wait until she hears one shriek like a woman being murdered. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #6
It does, doesn't it? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #15
It's always fun to see who can get into the house first, isn't it? beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #23
Well, that's good horse sense there. Why don't you run away with them? freshwest Dec 2012 #41
There I stand, flashlight on the fritz, waiting to be taken out by a werewolf or zombie... beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #45
Yeah, I know how that goes. But you'll survive... freshwest Dec 2012 #52
Now I can't get that song out of my head... beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #55
hahaha seriously! obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #85
I once saw a hawk murder a bat. I will never forget the bat's dying screams. Cleita Dec 2012 #113
Wow, that must have been some showdown. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #115
The hawk must have been hungry because he pulled the sleeping bat out of the Cleita Dec 2012 #118
Yeah, nature is brutal. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #120
It doesn't concern the SPCA that she feeds animals compost? TexasProgresive Dec 2012 #7
Rabbits are coprophages Scootaloo Dec 2012 #59
Cat had rabies former-republican Dec 2012 #8
Bulls--t. And yes, I am an expert. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #11
+1 mike_c Dec 2012 #17
Dammit, really? Twice kestrel? flvegan Dec 2012 #33
(snort) kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #73
Nonsense. Bobcats eat rabbits, and this one found an easy catch. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #12
It's not normal in the daytime former-republican Dec 2012 #18
Cats are opportunistic hunters. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #22
neither are vampires but that doesn't stop some of them snooper2 Dec 2012 #72
BS. People in my area see bobcats out prowling in the daytime all the time. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #74
All the time? sorry don't believe it former-republican Dec 2012 #80
Then I guess you think I'm a liar obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #86
why would you say that? former-republican Dec 2012 #88
Well, then don't. But they are all over the place in neighborhoods kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #124
No sir I am not calling you or anyone else a liar former-republican Dec 2012 #128
I've seen bobcats montanto Dec 2012 #79
I've seen them also in their natural habitat during the day and consider that very fortunate former-republican Dec 2012 #87
I said "many occassions." montanto Dec 2012 #92
When you say you saw a half dozen cats in 30 hikes during the day former-republican Dec 2012 #108
cats with stable, resource rich territories tend to be nocturnal... mike_c Dec 2012 #97
Kitty was doing what kitties do. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #78
Bobcats are wild animals obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #13
My cats are a bit afraid of our bunny (who is a very friendly little chap) Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #77
I've heard of housecats killing and eating rabbits. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #82
We've pushed them out of their habitat agent46 Dec 2012 #9
we have a bobcat in our small beach community in northern palm beach county. ellenfl Dec 2012 #19
That's not exactly the problem. Xithras Dec 2012 #93
I love bobcats, and have seen many quite close obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #14
I've seen bob cats ,fisher cats , beavers , bears , pretty much every animal that is regional to our former-republican Dec 2012 #20
Don't you think the animal experts who caught it would have noticed The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #24
Agreed. n/t TDale313 Dec 2012 #26
I've met some so called animal experts that work for the DEP and local agencies former-republican Dec 2012 #27
Jmo, but I think... TDale313 Dec 2012 #25
My opinion and it's worth as much as anyone else's on the internet former-republican Dec 2012 #29
We've seen them come out during the day to stalk the birds people feed in their yards. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #28
two things can distinguish rabies by actions , the only sure way to know is to kill the animal and former-republican Dec 2012 #31
"You look for actions that aren't normal for the creature in question." beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #32
Suburban & city animal behave differently from rural animals... Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #30
Again I will say when you see a raccoon during the day the chances it has rabies is greatly amplified former-republican Dec 2012 #34
I see raccoons in broad daylight pretty often in the city. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #37
I didn't say all of them are but the chances many of them are is pretty factual former-republican Dec 2012 #40
Raccoons are opportunists Art_from_Ark Dec 2012 #49
You completely took the wild equation out of it former-republican Dec 2012 #54
Nonetheless, the Wiki article notes that daylight activity Art_from_Ark Dec 2012 #57
I never said it was the only indicator , I said chances are when you see any wild former-republican Dec 2012 #61
Nope big ole fat one! And passing through with a big ole cat. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #47
I had two little raccoons in my tree, eating berries Common Sense Party Dec 2012 #109
When we lived in the city the stray cats and opossums would dine together out of the same dish. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #35
I've seen that. jackbenimble Dec 2012 #60
There was a really big one we named 'Bubba' who lived under our neighbor's house. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #62
I've seen outdoor cats and skunks eating out of the same dish montanto Dec 2012 #81
Very very careful cats. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #84
Yep. TDale313 Dec 2012 #36
YES, that is true. I have seen coyotes strolling in the open in broad daylight here in San Diego. slackmaster Dec 2012 #43
I've seen it also where I live . I said I even had one come up to the back of house former-republican Dec 2012 #44
It's certainly not normal behavior for a wild nocturnal predator slackmaster Dec 2012 #48
And it's not normal what this wild bob cat did former-republican Dec 2012 #51
I've seen a bobcat in the wild only once in my life slackmaster Dec 2012 #53
You don't think... TDale313 Dec 2012 #58
It could easily take the carcass with it , they are pretty strong creatures former-republican Dec 2012 #63
You keep repeating that bobcats do not hunt in daylight, when it just is not true. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #105
"No" I said it's not normal to see a bob cat hunt during the day. former-republican Dec 2012 #112
See YouTube. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #114
I give up former-republican Dec 2012 #117
Coyotes? janx Dec 2012 #68
They comke around teh house in the day a lot obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #83
The city code enforcement officials will be at Naomi's house tomorrow jmowreader Dec 2012 #39
She keeps rabbits in a yard that wild animals can get into? slackmaster Dec 2012 #42
I haven't read through the responses to this thread; but this ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #46
Cats don't hunt by tracking scat. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #50
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Xithras Dec 2012 #89
I believe you. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #90
Bobcats are tough. hunter Dec 2012 #116
Lol, sounds like you've got a great old dog. Xithras Dec 2012 #119
LMAO! beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #121
Are you sure it was a bob cat that got her pet? former-republican Dec 2012 #64
My neighbor is pretty sure ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #70
If a bobcat ate my family... jberryhill Dec 2012 #56
What if I rubbed tuna all over Mr. Bmus' brother and left him out in the country... beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #65
Well, I suppose it matters who in the family we're talking about jberryhill Dec 2012 #66
I think I'll wait until Obama's term is up. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #67
Bobcat Eats Rabbit janx Dec 2012 #69
Yeah, or "Bobcat Acts Like Bobcat". TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #75
Yep! janx Dec 2012 #129
But it's duck season! Remmah2 Dec 2012 #102
WABBIT SEASON! slackmaster Dec 2012 #106
My name is Elmer J Fudd, 1 percenter I own a mansion and a yacht. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #107
No bobcat could resist a nice fat pet bunny. MineralMan Dec 2012 #71
Stupid woman didn't learn...sounds like she's going to keep the 2 rabbits outside... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #76
I encountered a mountain lion in my front yard, recently. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #91
Check out this photo! KansDem Dec 2012 #94
Holy Crap! They can fly???!!! Liberal Veteran Dec 2012 #95
amazing photo Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #96
that's the pic I use to open my ecology lecture on predation.... mike_c Dec 2012 #98
"The last thing a snowshoe hare sees." KansDem Dec 2012 #100
That's a beautiful picture ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #126
"...just stood there posing." KansDem Dec 2012 #127
A RABBIT? ok. bobcat was doing nature. rabbits are critter food. pansypoo53219 Dec 2012 #99
How de we know it's a Bobcat and not a Robertacat? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #101
Rabbits would be seen as food for many get the red out Dec 2012 #103
If the bobcat hadn't got them the coyotes or even owls may have gotten them. Cleita Dec 2012 #111
When people encroach on wild critters' remaining habitat, their oiutdoor pets are a buffet SoCalDem Dec 2012 #123
Pet rabbits should be kept inside. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #125

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
5. I know it isn't, but it looks so innocent and cuddly.
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:05 PM
Dec 2012

Cats are just beautiful all the way around.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
104. That cuddly little critter would rip you to shreds!
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:10 PM
Dec 2012

Not to be messed with! But you know that already!



Bake

 

randomtagger

(125 posts)
122. Awww.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:19 PM
Dec 2012

Awww, the bobcat is cute, so we can't kill it. On the other hand, if a snake killed the rabbit, everyone would be trying to kill it.

 

AldoLeopold

(617 posts)
2. Thank goodness for that
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:57 PM
Dec 2012

I don't know what makes California so freaking awesome - but I'm glad that you are.

Stay classy, California.



liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
3. I caught a glimpse of one in my neighborhood once
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:58 PM
Dec 2012

They are beautiful. That had to be horrible to see one's pet being eaten though.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
16. Yep. A rabbit to a bobcat is a much needed meal.
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:38 PM
Dec 2012

Which was why I'd have hated to see it either lose it's freedom, or worse have been euthanized, for being a hungry creature eating a common meal.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
21. I'm really glad that the owner, etc., understood that as well.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:00 AM
Dec 2012

Too bad for the pet, but it's one of those things. I had a pet rabbit that I bought and it had always been kept in a cage off the ground. So I had a moveable one that I set on the grass and the rabbit was thrilled to be outside and in the grass.

I had to keep it in the cage because the area had a lot of coyotes and bobcats other animals that would found it to be fine meal. I had some cats and they'd love to rub noses with it.

Somehow it got out of the cage one day when I wasn't watching and that was the last I saw of it. I don't think it turned out too well, too. But it enjoyed itself for a while.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
38. I'm sorry about your pet.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:47 AM
Dec 2012

I imagine it lived the rest of its life like a wild rabbit would have.

I had an owl we'd rescued from a cat as a fledgling. It was nothing but a puff of down when when we found it. The Parks & Wildlife people explained what we should feed it and said it wouldn't survive if we released it back into the wild. They also didn't think it would survive if we kept it, but she did.

It broke my heart when she'd hear the other wild owls outside and be answering their romantic calls. She never had a mate and every year at mating season she yearned to be the free wild creature she was born to be. At least your bunny had that taste of freedom my owl never knew.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
6. If she thought the growling was scary wait until she hears one shriek like a woman being murdered.
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:06 PM
Dec 2012

Makes your hair stand on end it does...

obamanut2012

(29,369 posts)
15. It does, doesn't it?
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:38 PM
Dec 2012

Being outside with the dogs at night and hearing that is something else, even though I know the bobcat won't hurt us. The dogs are 3+ times bigger, and it even freaks them out!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. It's always fun to see who can get into the house first, isn't it?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:04 AM
Dec 2012

My horses are great backup when I'm investigating strange goings-on at night. They follow me like Scooby and Scrappy Doo (so close they actually bump into me when I stop) until we hear or see something close and then they're gone.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
45. There I stand, flashlight on the fritz, waiting to be taken out by a werewolf or zombie...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:04 AM
Dec 2012

And I'm like oh, okay, so that's how it is...

obamanut2012

(29,369 posts)
85. hahaha seriously!
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:00 PM
Dec 2012

I'm always like, "Okay, lets go in!" Just in case it's not a bobcat and is an alien or crazy meth labber instead.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
115. Wow, that must have been some showdown.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:23 PM
Dec 2012

That's absolutely incredible, I've seen a lot of things but I could live a thousand years and never see that.


Cleita

(75,480 posts)
118. The hawk must have been hungry because he pulled the sleeping bat out of the
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:45 PM
Dec 2012

tree he was roosting in. The bat got away but the hawk was too fast for him and took him down screaming. It was awful.

TexasProgresive

(12,730 posts)
7. It doesn't concern the SPCA that she feeds animals compost?
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:06 PM
Dec 2012

Does anyone ever read and correct this crap before it goes out?

mike_c

(37,051 posts)
17. +1
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:38 PM
Dec 2012

Dispersing first year male. Glad he ran into decent wildlife management folks instead of trigger happy deputies!

Yum, yard rabbit!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
22. Cats are opportunistic hunters.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:01 AM
Dec 2012

Although cats tend to be most active at dawn and twilight, they hunt any time of day, whenever they notice the presence of prey. All cats will hunt in broad daylight if that's when they can find food. There's nothing strange about a bobcat catching a rabbit during the day. Also, and more importantly, if the cat had been rabid the animal control people who tranquilized and captured it would have noticed other symptoms and would not have set it free.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
124. Well, then don't. But they are all over the place in neighborhoods
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:42 PM
Dec 2012

here south of Ventura Blvd. They come down from the Santa Monica Mountains, just like the coyotes and mountain lions.

Are you SERIOUSLY calling me a liar?? I guess you are, and I am also guessing that the first half of your name is not quite the truth.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
128. No sir I am not calling you or anyone else a liar
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:25 PM
Dec 2012

It is not a common as you seem to imply .
You said people see them all the time everywhere.

If it was as common as that it wouldn't make the news.
That would be like a news story in my neck of the woods reporting a whitetail deer in someones back yard.

You wouldn't see that where I live because here people do see them all the time.
Even black bears around here doesn't make a news story .
They are common to see.






LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- Residents of the Hollywood Hills are being warned of a bobcat on the prowl in the neighborhood


http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7763865

montanto

(2,966 posts)
79. I've seen bobcats
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:45 PM
Dec 2012

in the middle of the day on many occasions while hiking just outside of Los Angeles.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
87. I've seen them also in their natural habitat during the day and consider that very fortunate
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:04 PM
Dec 2012

Break it down a little for me.
You hike maybe how many times a year?
25 , 50 , 100 ?

In all those hikes you were fortunate enough to spy a bobcat in it's natural habitat during the day maybe 3 or 4 times.

That I believe.

I know deer hunters that spend weeks on end in the woods and can also be fortunate enough
to see a bobcat prowling down a game trail in the day time. It is a rare occasion. I know some that have never seen one or a fisher cat during the day.

When I hiked the Appalachian trail we spent 40 days in the woods, that particular hike I didn't see one.


People have a tendency to use the term "all the time" when in fact it's not all the time

montanto

(2,966 posts)
92. I said "many occassions."
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:27 PM
Dec 2012

I've seen half a dozen cats on fewer than thirty hikes that were less than five miles from the city. Last Thursday I came home early (4:00 p.m., broad daylight) and found a coyote standing in my driveway. I live 10 minutes from downtown LA, on a busy street, in a densely populated part of town. I hear coyotes almost nightly. Sunday, I went for a hike in Griffith park. My friends and I went to the Roosevelt cafe (at the golf course). While we were eating breakfast (about 11:00 am, broad daylight) I noticed a dog following some golfers. It dawned on me slowly that it was odd that there was a loose dog on the course, and that it wasn't just a dog, but a coyote. It followed the golfers at about ten paces for five minutes or so. The grounds keeper finally came out in a cart and chased it away. Wild animals that live in or near the city behave differently, and I see them quite frequently. Two coyotes in the heart of Los Angeles in three or four days is fairly frequent, but not, as you say, "all the time." Same with the cats. Point is, they are often enough out in broad daylight.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
108. When you say you saw a half dozen cats in 30 hikes during the day
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:35 PM
Dec 2012

How do you mean you saw them?

You were hiking along a hiking path and the cat was sitting on a rock?
You saw the cat on top of a ridge line ?
You saw the cat chasing down prey?

I think for a person to see a bob cat during the day 6 times out of less than 30 hikes is not the norm.

Consider your self fortunate

mike_c

(37,051 posts)
97. cats with stable, resource rich territories tend to be nocturnal...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:47 PM
Dec 2012

...because they can, and because nocturnal hunting reduces their foraging risks. But dispersing young males like this one often don't have well defined territories and so must be very much more opportunistic. This cat was captured, handled, and examined by wildlife control officials. It was likely healthy.

backscatter712

(26,357 posts)
78. Kitty was doing what kitties do.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:44 PM
Dec 2012

Granted, this kitty isn't a housecat, but all cats hunt, or at least want to hunt.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
77. My cats are a bit afraid of our bunny (who is a very friendly little chap)
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:42 PM
Dec 2012

He kind of freaks them out -- they can't quite figure out the weird guy with the long ears.

backscatter712

(26,357 posts)
82. I've heard of housecats killing and eating rabbits.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:56 PM
Dec 2012

I'd think that a rabbit would be too big for a housecat, but some cats seem to think of that as a challenge.

agent46

(1,262 posts)
9. We've pushed them out of their habitat
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:06 PM
Dec 2012

Wild animals are now adapting to cities and suburbs. Sad.

ellenfl

(8,660 posts)
19. we have a bobcat in our small beach community in northern palm beach county.
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:41 PM
Dec 2012

it's a very populated area but the cat seems to have found some space to exist. we used to have a red fox as well but i have not seen it in a long time. one of our police officers also advised that we have a couple of coyotes in town. as an amateur wildlife photographer, i'm dying to catch the critters on 'film'.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
93. That's not exactly the problem.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:28 PM
Dec 2012

I live in the CV about 90 minutes north of where this happened. There are still plenty of bobcats in the Valley, and there's far more open land than developed land. In fact, less than 10% of the Central Valley's overall land is "developed". Most of it is farms.

The real problem is twofold:
1) Valley farmers use lots of insecticides and rodenticides, which reduces the populations of the bobcats native foods like ground mice, squirrels, and birds. Ecologically, modern farms tend to be fairly barren monoculture where nothing lives or grows other than the farmers intended crop (us environmentalists in the CV like to poke fun at our vegan friends over the fact that local cattle ranches usually have the most natural and ecologically diverse habitats, while vegetable farms are habitat killers...save a hawk, eat a hamburger.)

2) City animals are easy prey. They aren't used to dealing with predators, and are too dumb to run.

If you're a wild animal, and the nice humans are providing you an easy meal in one place while wiping out your native food sources in another, what would YOU do?

obamanut2012

(29,369 posts)
14. I love bobcats, and have seen many quite close
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:36 PM
Dec 2012

They look like biggish cats, although Maine Coons are usually bigger.

Laying in bed at night with the windows open, enjoying the quiet, when a bobcat screech cuts through the night. Just eerie and cool.

Love 'em.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
20. I've seen bob cats ,fisher cats , beavers , bears , pretty much every animal that is regional to our
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:55 PM
Dec 2012

area. I live just south of you.

How many bob cats have you seen in the middle of the day come up to your house.
Take down a family pet eat it and then after just stay around and hiss at people like in the OP's story?

I have seen plenty of wild life and when it acts like the cat in the story something is wrong with the cat.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
24. Don't you think the animal experts who caught it would have noticed
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:06 AM
Dec 2012

if the cat showed symptoms of illness? Since they actually *had* the animal and were able to observe it, clearly they were able to determine it was healthy or they would not have released it back into the wild.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
27. I've met some so called animal experts that work for the DEP and local agencies
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:11 AM
Dec 2012

I wasn't impressed.

TDale313

(7,822 posts)
25. Jmo, but I think...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:07 AM
Dec 2012

it's possible the only thing wrong is hunger and a wild cat that had lost some of its fear of humans.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
29. My opinion and it's worth as much as anyone else's on the internet
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:17 AM
Dec 2012



I have spent half my life in the outdoors and my thought is something is wrong with the cat.
You are welcome to disagree with me.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
28. We've seen them come out during the day to stalk the birds people feed in their yards.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:14 AM
Dec 2012

One mother cat was filmed with her cubs many times just a few miles from a major metropolitan area. Soccer moms were all freaking claiming it would eat their kids.

Coyotes are commonly seen in the daytime too.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
31. two things can distinguish rabies by actions , the only sure way to know is to kill the animal and
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:25 AM
Dec 2012

test it's brain , one being overly aggressive or a wild animal appearing not to be aggressive.

We had a coyote come to our field and it looked like it wanted to be petted

You look for actions that aren't normal for the creature in question.

Could the cat be not infected ? sure possibility

Holding it a few hours as they did is impossible to tell.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
32. "You look for actions that aren't normal for the creature in question."
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:31 AM
Dec 2012

Animals that have been displaced by new housing developments don't act anything like their wilder rural relatives.

After a few generations they either lose their fear of humans or die of starvation.

Hell, I live way out in the country and when I whistle for my horses a pack of coyotes that lives just across the road answer me in chorus.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
30. Suburban & city animal behave differently from rural animals...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:20 AM
Dec 2012

The raccoons in San Francisco, though usually active at night, will sometimes forage during the day. Odd thing, the cats & raccoons act as though they can't see each other. I've seen raccoon kits playing 4-5 feet from sleeping cats and I once watched a raccoon come through the cat door at the same time one of my cats was leaving the cat door.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
34. Again I will say when you see a raccoon during the day the chances it has rabies is greatly amplified
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:33 AM
Dec 2012

And they are a carrier.

Through your cat door!
I hope it was just a baby racoon.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(130,533 posts)
37. I see raccoons in broad daylight pretty often in the city.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:38 AM
Dec 2012

I doubt very much they're all rabid. Living around humans alters wild animals' behaviors to some extent.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
40. I didn't say all of them are but the chances many of them are is pretty factual
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:51 AM
Dec 2012

Raccoons are notorious as a carrier.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
49. Raccoons are opportunists
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:10 AM
Dec 2012

The raccoons in Stanley Park in Vancouver, B.C., for example, are active during the daytime, because that's when the humans who feed them goodies are active.

As Wiki notes: "Since healthy animals, especially nursing mothers, will occasionally forage during the day, daylight activity is not a reliable indicator of illness in raccoons.[81]"

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
54. You completely took the wild equation out of it
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:30 AM
Dec 2012

People are feeding them every day at the same time.

Not the same thing that I'm talking about.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
57. Nonetheless, the Wiki article notes that daylight activity
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:42 AM
Dec 2012

is not a reliable indicator of illness in raccoons.

As Wild, Wild World of Animals noted nearly 40 years ago.

Skunks, on the other hand, are a different story.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
61. I never said it was the only indicator , I said chances are when you see any wild
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:53 AM
Dec 2012

nocturnal creature during the day that is an indicator. But as I said in my other posts "you have to factor in a few things".

Could the animal be not infected ? sure

Please don't get me started on skunks.
I have one dog that has been sprayed 3 times in the last 2 of years.
He just seeks them out.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
47. Nope big ole fat one! And passing through with a big ole cat.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:05 AM
Dec 2012

I think with city raccoons they've learned that there is more opportunity to scavenge during the day. Most restaurants will have their bins locked at night, but during the day, they will leave them unlocked and opened to make it easier to dump while prepping. They started coming into the house during the afternoon because I used leave the cat door open during the day. I still leave the cat door during the day, but I put the cat food away and only feed the cats when the door is closed.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
109. I had two little raccoons in my tree, eating berries
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:37 PM
Dec 2012

right outside my front window--about two months ago, broad daylight.

Granted, they ate the berries and then napped, all while hanging in the tree.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
35. When we lived in the city the stray cats and opossums would dine together out of the same dish.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:33 AM
Dec 2012

And you're right, they completely ignored each other.

jackbenimble

(251 posts)
60. I've seen that.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:52 AM
Dec 2012

There was a stray kitten I was trying to feed so I could eventually catch it and I kept thinking she ate an enormous amount of food for such a small thing. Then one day I looked outside to see her and a opossum eating out of the same dish. I tried putting her food up high thinking maybe the possum wouldn't be able to get to it, only to see it taking a can of food away from her on top of the workbench. I decided to just feed her when I could be out there with her and not leave food out. She didn't seem to mind either way.

The cat has moved on to a good home. I think the opossum still hangs out under my deck and steals my dog's chew bones.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
62. There was a really big one we named 'Bubba' who lived under our neighbor's house.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:10 AM
Dec 2012

The neighbor didn't like Bubba and wanted my bf to help kill him by shooting into the space under their living room.

I explained to him that the only thing worse than having a huge opossum living under your house was having a huge dead opossum decaying under there in the summertime.

He wasn't very bright.

TDale313

(7,822 posts)
36. Yep.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:36 AM
Dec 2012

And even though it's not precisely urban, look how adaptable wildlife like bears in places like Yosemite are. Put wild animals in different circumstances, especially where they come in contact with humans (and their food, and pets) and their behavior's gonna change.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
43. YES, that is true. I have seen coyotes strolling in the open in broad daylight here in San Diego.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:56 AM
Dec 2012

That's something you would almost never seen in the back country.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
44. I've seen it also where I live . I said I even had one come up to the back of house
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:03 AM
Dec 2012

in broad daylight.

It should be a warning sign.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
48. It's certainly not normal behavior for a wild nocturnal predator
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:05 AM
Dec 2012

My dad spent much of his youth up in the mountains of eastern San Diego County. He and his brothers hunted for subsistence. My dad told me that he often heard coyotes at dusk and at night, but never saw one. Not once in many years of rural living.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
51. And it's not normal what this wild bob cat did
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:16 AM
Dec 2012

Not so much the killing of the rabbit , that is normal

It's a factor of things you add together

hunting during the day , killing your prey, but staying around after with humans facing them off hissing at them.

That cat should have been gone. It acted out of the norm for a bob cat .
They are very secretive and beautiful creatures.

That's why most are never spotted even though they live close to people.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
53. I've seen a bobcat in the wild only once in my life
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:21 AM
Dec 2012

It was crossing a highway at night, in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada.

I know people who have stumbled on them while hiking in the desert.

I've never seen a mountain lion in the wild.

TDale313

(7,822 posts)
58. You don't think...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:44 AM
Dec 2012

A wild cat would stand its ground to protect a meal? Especially if it's hungry enough and has seen enough people to decide they're only mildly a threat? Really not trying to be argumentative, it just honestly doesn't feel that strange to me, especially if for some reason it was not easy or practical to take the rabbit with him.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
63. It could easily take the carcass with it , they are pretty strong creatures
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:11 AM
Dec 2012

From the video the rabbit was pretty much gone expect for the pelt.

This didn't happen in just a few minutes , she didn't get some out there for a while.
At first animal control didn't believe her and didn't send anyone out.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
105. You keep repeating that bobcats do not hunt in daylight, when it just is not true.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:11 PM
Dec 2012

They are seen hunting during the daylight hours, as bobcats are crepescular, hunting primarily in evening twilight into dark, and early morning into daylight hours.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
112. "No" I said it's not normal to see a bob cat hunt during the day.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:10 PM
Dec 2012

They usually never do . If you see one hunting and bringing down prey during the mid day as this cat did , consider your self fortunate. From the story this was not early morning 1/2 before sun rise. This was a midday kill in a populated neighbor hood.
It also hung around from what the story says for hours. And it hung around while humans approached it.. Not normal...


If you have seen cats killing and hunting prey during the day consider your self very fortunate to witness something like that.

I have watched cat stalk a flock of wild turkeys once across an open field after sunset. The turkeys were headed to go roosting .
I didn't see or hear the kill.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
117. I give up
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:31 PM
Dec 2012


My experience comes not from you tube videos or hiking a few times a year.

I spent my life in the woods.

If you do watch some of the videos posted you will see the person that did film it will usually say it was the first time they saw one in the day time.
Wild cats are secretive creatures that avoid human contact.

but hell what do I know, I'm just a guy on the internet.

obamanut2012

(29,369 posts)
83. They comke around teh house in the day a lot
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:58 PM
Dec 2012

They growl and hiss or just chill, depending on the day. They don't mess with the dogs, and the dogs leave them alone, and my cats are indoor kitties (coyotes, etc.).

The poor thing was probably hungry.

jmowreader

(53,194 posts)
39. The city code enforcement officials will be at Naomi's house tomorrow
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:47 AM
Dec 2012

According to http://fresnofamily.com/local/city-ordinances-guide-info/, rabbits are not allowed in residentially-zoned districts and maximum permissible fence heights are three feet in front of the house, six on sides and back.

According to the linked article, Naomi has rabbits and ten-foot fences.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
42. She keeps rabbits in a yard that wild animals can get into?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:54 AM
Dec 2012

Not smart. Domestic rabbits are defenseless and need to be kept in cages or indoors.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
46. I haven't read through the responses to this thread; but this ...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:04 AM
Dec 2012
the bobcat more than likely targeted her house because it could smell her animals ...


I have three poodles, and I know we have Bob Cats that roam the neighorhood ... One got our neighbor's cat.

But can the cats distinguish between poodle poop (i.e., a pretty easy meal, to be followed and stalked) and the poop of a Bull Mastiff, a less easy meal, to be avoided?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
50. Cats don't hunt by tracking scat.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:12 AM
Dec 2012

They stalk their prey. Pretty sure the Bull Mastiff would be quite safe.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
89. I wouldn't be so sure about that.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:09 PM
Dec 2012

Once had the displeasure of seeing the aftermath of a pit mix and a bobcat mixup. The bobcat was injured but escaped. The pit mix survived, but was so badly torn up that it's owners had to put it to sleep. We have a lot of bobs here in the Central Valley, and it's not an uncommon mistake for rural dogs to make. They'll see a bobcat, take off after it like it's any other cat, and then be caught completely off guard when the bobcat turns and fights like the predator it is.

Bobcats won't typically kill a larger dog. Instead, they try to injure them seriously enough that they can't pursue, and then the bobcat will take off. They can do a massive amount of damage in the attempt though.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
90. I believe you.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:23 PM
Dec 2012

We are fostering a pit mix that got beat up by our 8 month old kitten. He didn't know what hit him.

He's sleeping on the porch now, we can't keep him in the house, obviously, I hope he finds a home soon.

hunter

(40,690 posts)
116. Bobcats are tough.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:26 PM
Dec 2012

We adopted a toothless old hunting dog from the animal shelter. She's the sweetest dog in the world but still thinks it's her duty to hunt. She refuses to accept retirement.

The first time we let her loose in the wild she went after a big wild boar. She chased the monster right into me. I was armed with a rake. The dog probably thought I was holding a gun. Fortunately the pig got away and nobody was injured badly. Our sleep-on-the-bed all day suburban dog did cut herself running away from the fight. I'll never forget her yelp of terror when she saw the angry hog. It was like, "AGGGGGHHHHH, YOU FOOL!!! YOU MADE IT ANGRY!!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!" At the same time hunting dog was singing with joy as she nipped at the pig's rear end.

The second time we let hunting dog loose in the wild she went after a bobcat. The bobcat almost scalped her before it got away unharmed. The wound was gruesome, like something you'd see in a butcher shop. Here's a picture of the scar:



This dog still can't figure out why I didn't shoot the critters she flushed out for me. She is eternally grateful we rescued her from the shelter but she thinks we are utterly incompetent in the field. But I'm not letting her loose again. She might bring back a bear.

I'm glad they let this bobcat go. It was just being a bobcat. We had a pet rabbit years ago that we let roam in the backyard. One day I looked out the window and there was a red tail hawk standing on the handlebars of my kid's bicycle, and the rabbit was cowering underneath. It was a big rabbit and I think the hawk wasn't sure it could carry it. Or maybe the hawk just wasn't hungry enough.

After that I didn't leave the rabbit out unsupervised.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
119. Lol, sounds like you've got a great old dog.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:47 PM
Dec 2012

I had to give up most of my dogs not that long ago, but I still have my old trained Labrador birder. She hasn't been hunting in over 5 years, but she still perks up whenever she sees a bird. She's got hip problems and can barely walk, but if I pull my shotgun out to clean it, she'll go sit by the door and look at me like she's waiting to go hunting again.

The joy of the hunt never leaves a hunting dog. I doubt she has a year left in her, and it's going to break my heart when she goes. I don't hunt at all anymore, but if I could figure out a way to take her hunting one last time, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
121. LMAO!
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:59 PM
Dec 2012

What a great story, thank you for making me laugh.

And thank you for rescuing an old dog from certain death at the shelter.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
64. Are you sure it was a bob cat that got her pet?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:25 AM
Dec 2012

House cats have become coyotes favorite meal .

People lose cats all the time around here.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
70. My neighbor is pretty sure ...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:14 AM
Dec 2012

the cat was in/found in a walled off yard and there had been a bobcat sighting earlier that day. However, we have plenty of coyotes close by.

On that thought ... In the early morning, especially in the late summer, I love sitting on my patio listening to the coyote talking amongst themselves. It freaks my poodles out ... when the coyotes start up, my dogs always respond with a look on their face suggesting they know what the coyotes are saying and they want no part of it.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
56. If a bobcat ate my family...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:36 AM
Dec 2012

...I might capture and release it, but I wouldn't try to pet it.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
65. What if I rubbed tuna all over Mr. Bmus' brother and left him out in the country...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:39 AM
Dec 2012

I mean the poor cats have to eat something, right?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
67. I think I'll wait until Obama's term is up.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:57 AM
Dec 2012

Watching him squirm every time he sees pictures of black people living in the White House is too much fun.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
76. Stupid woman didn't learn...sounds like she's going to keep the 2 rabbits outside...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 12:41 PM
Dec 2012

The bobcat knows where there's food...it'll probably be back...stupid, stupid woman.

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
91. I encountered a mountain lion in my front yard, recently.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:27 PM
Dec 2012

We just watched each other while I backed thru the doorway.

Good thing it didn't make it to the backyard, because Frankie Cat would've kicked its ass.

I live four blocks off our town's plaza.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
94. Check out this photo!
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:34 PM
Dec 2012

This isn't the bobcat from the story, but a photo I ran across while searching for bobcats.



Wow!!!

mike_c

(37,051 posts)
98. that's the pic I use to open my ecology lecture on predation....
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:49 PM
Dec 2012

I call it "The last thing a snowshoe hare sees." (Not my pic, just one that I use to illustrate a lecture.)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
126. That's a beautiful picture ...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 06:02 PM
Dec 2012

A couple of years ago, the blinds were open to our back patio. I briefly opened my eye and thought, who left the dog out. Then, it dawned on me that: A) this animal was waayyy bigger than any of my dogs, and B) all three of my dogs were lying on the bed between me and Mrs. 1StrongBlackMan.

So I opened my eye just in time to see the bobcat leap, effortlessly, to the top of one of my walls (~10 feet up) and just stood there posing. It was gone before I could get to my camera.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
127. "...just stood there posing."
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 07:01 PM
Dec 2012

I've got three cats: a Calico, a Torti and a Maine Coon. They pose all the time!

Must be something about the feline personality!

pansypoo53219

(23,034 posts)
99. A RABBIT? ok. bobcat was doing nature. rabbits are critter food.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:00 PM
Dec 2012

why wasn't she watching said fodder?

get the red out

(14,031 posts)
103. Rabbits would be seen as food for many
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
Dec 2012

I hate that her pet was killed, but the way my own dog looks at wild rabbits on our walks someone's dog could have gotten out of the yard and gone after a rabbit as well. Just a sad, sad thing. It gets really difficult as more and more wild area for animals disappears.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
111. If the bobcat hadn't got them the coyotes or even owls may have gotten them.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:09 PM
Dec 2012

Even in the city you have to protect your pets from predators. Garbage foragers will get distracted with something tasty like a rabbit or chicken if you aren't wary. We keep chickens and doves and our cages are like Fort Leavenworth. There is no coyote, bobcat or hawk that can breach them, nor can the residents escape them, but they don't even want to. They know they are safe inside.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
123. When people encroach on wild critters' remaining habitat, their oiutdoor pets are a buffet
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:29 PM
Dec 2012

It may be crass to say it, but it's the truth.

If you love your pets, keep them indoors or in a separate outdoor structure at night...a well-fortified one.

The wild critters need to eat and to feed their young too. They can't tell a pet from any other prey they hunt.

When we move near them ("because it's so pretty and quiet there&quot we invite them into our "claimed space".

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