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PCIntern

(26,940 posts)
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 08:26 PM Oct 21

Dead Heat, huh?

This is a frigging Dead Heat:



Don’t you fucking tell me that… she’s got young people, Hispanics, women, Republicans who never voted for a Democrat in their lives, African-Americans, Jews, veterans, active military, among other significant groups. The other guy led a coup against the government, has been convicted on 34 felony counts, indicted for stealing classified documents, attempting to steal non-existent votes, curses and throws around invective like a truck driver from a bad movie, discusses penis length of a dead man who happened to be an Eisenhower Republican, shits his pants, has had affairs with many women including a porn star and a Playboy centerfold, is essentially separated from his present wife who’s had a known long-term sexual relationship with a Tiffany’s security man, is a racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, degenerate, whose academic profile is filled with fraud, who failed miserably at every business he ever attempted to manage, who grotesquely mismanaged the Pandemic, who was and is famous for not paying any bill anytime. And that’s just for starters, the advocacy for pussy-grabbing which was always preceded by consumption of a Tic Tac.

And he lost the popular vote last time by millions and millions of votes before most of the above occurred. Give me a fucking break. Even Americans aren’t that stupid. And never ever forget that by definition, half of America has a two-digit I.Q. Yeah. It does. And don’t tell me that I.Q. Is a bad measure. It’s good enough for these purposes.

“Dead Heat” my ass. Whatever this is or isn’t, it’s no “Dead Heat”. If we have any sense she’s got this in the bag. If not…well, there goes the Nation. In either event it’s not going to be a Dead Heat.

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Dead Heat, huh? (Original Post) PCIntern Oct 21 OP
Well fucking said! Blue Owl Oct 21 #1
Absofuckingloutely! SheltieLover Oct 21 #2
"Even Americans aren't that stupid." TwilightZone Oct 21 #3
I respectfully disagree PCIntern Oct 21 #8
Similar claims were made in 2020. TwilightZone Oct 21 #29
I don't know anyone who supports his dumb ass Dem4life1234 Oct 22 #62
I do. I am related to several. They all live in Ohio. All of them will vote. maxsolomon Oct 22 #67
I do not believe the polls. BonnieJW Oct 22 #46
P.T. Barnum said you could never go broke BattleRow Oct 21 #16
With all respect. OldBaldy1701E Oct 22 #45
Perhaps Barnum borrowed it from Mencken? BattleRow Oct 22 #53
Apparently a lot of Americans are that stupid. Unfortunately. lees1975 Oct 21 #30
No Americans are stupid kansasobama Oct 21 #35
Right. People are too stupid to understand that prices going down significantly is "deflation" Wiz Imp Oct 23 #92
My dad left us MFM008 Oct 22 #75
Yep dead heat, exactly like Secretariat in the Belmont Stakes. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 21 #4
That was one of the most remarkable moments I witnessed PCIntern Oct 21 #9
He was an amazing horse. Biophilic Oct 22 #54
The greatest performance in the history of sports. valleyrogue Oct 22 #76
I understand his times have never been beaten PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 22 #79
The records still hold 51 years later. valleyrogue Oct 22 #80
You dug out BumRushDaShow Oct 21 #5
That picture Mblaze Oct 21 #6
While I don't think it'll be a landslide (oh, I'd be thrilled to be wrong!) I'm thinking at least ? 54% KH vs 46% DT electric_blue68 Oct 21 #7
54-46 would be a landslide Wiz Imp Oct 21 #36
I would consider 54-46 to be a landslide Rocknation Oct 21 #41
I'll settle for any margin that gives Kamala Harris more electoral votes than Trump. Of course, bigger would be better Wiz Imp Oct 23 #87
I guess my definition is different... electric_blue68 Oct 23 #85
You apparently aren't aware then that no Presidential candidate has ever received 65% of the vote Wiz Imp Oct 23 #86
I Did NOT Know that! Then what you said makes sense. electric_blue68 Oct 23 #88
Don't feel bad, I didn't realize 61% was the max either. Wiz Imp Oct 23 #91
In 2016, he didn't get the popular vote wryter2000 Oct 21 #10
In addition BaronChocula Oct 21 #33
I would rather people think it's a dead heat dflprincess Oct 21 #11
Good point Dem4life1234 Oct 22 #63
Agree! The rt looks and sounds desperate from the top down...that shouts I'm losing and I know it! PortTack Oct 21 #12
And DonOld is... homegirl Oct 22 #70
Great post! Frank D. Lincoln Oct 21 #13
This can't be a dead heat when, two years after Roe fell, women are reminded every month about losing their rights. Efilroft Sul Oct 21 #14
Exactly! Omnipresent Oct 22 #52
Harness Racing Devilsun Oct 21 #15
Post removed Post removed Oct 21 #23
Hello Kenny!! GP6971 Oct 21 #25
This statement of yours below, is it true or rumor? Dan Oct 21 #17
True. PCIntern Oct 21 #21
True. I read about it a looong time ago. Joinfortmill Oct 21 #28
Tiffany's security man? Sanity Claws Oct 22 #49
Snobbish, rich standards....maybe? SalamanderSleeps Oct 22 #64
Car dealer's daughter? Sanity Claws Oct 22 #65
You can be two things at one time. SalamanderSleeps Oct 22 #66
Might 3auld6phart Oct 21 #18
Yep musclecar6 Oct 21 #19
I think it will be Harris 286, Trump 252 NameAlreadyTaken Oct 21 #20
Close to where I see it, but I'd move NC and NV into our column, and PA into his Amishman Oct 22 #73
That was a righteous rant! ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 21 #22
Recommended. H2O Man Oct 21 #24
I strongly disagree with you. Elessar Zappa Oct 22 #68
Okay, H2O Man Oct 22 #74
Amen... Joinfortmill Oct 21 #26
Exactamundo!!! oasis Oct 21 #27
If the polling is actually right and things are razor thin on 11/5... AdamGG Oct 21 #31
Thank you! sheshe2 Oct 21 #32
Major Troll Devilsun Oct 21 #34
It absolutely is a dead heat. Self Esteem Oct 21 #37
AtlasIntel shows an electoral college tie Sympthsical Oct 22 #50
Keep in mind that AtlasIntels latest national poll shows Trump winning the popular vote Wiz Imp Oct 23 #93
RSO rso Oct 22 #78
It will be by less than Biden four years ago. Self Esteem Oct 23 #84
As for the polls... Trust_Reality Oct 21 #38
I concur with your diagnoses Rocknation Oct 21 #39
Mainstream media say that Trump is in quicksand up to his ankles. usonian Oct 21 #40
Post removed Post removed Oct 22 #42
Nevada Florida Dem Oct 22 #43
You made my point... PCIntern Oct 22 #44
I dunno, what I see on the "internets" indicate Trump is gaining. Envirogal Oct 22 #56
I think the answer is in your post. DJ Porkchop Oct 22 #69
Something is very wrong with the old horse race. Kid Berwyn Oct 22 #47
I don't believe a single, solitary word of it. K&R spanone Oct 22 #48
The parallels to 1980 cannot be missed bucolic_frolic Oct 22 #51
80 Reagen was running against an incumbent Cosmocat Oct 23 #89
Eh. In some ways yes and in other ways no. Wiz Imp Oct 23 #94
"If we have any sense she's got this in the bag." SpankMe Oct 22 #55
The places where a dead heat may be a factor are the seven borderline states. Martin68 Oct 22 #57
My point is PCIntern Oct 22 #59
My wife and I, enigmania Oct 22 #58
Optimism vs Pessimism Jakes Progress Oct 22 #60
Dear Undecided Voters: If you really don't want Trump in office, but can't decide if you'll vote for Kamala... Beartracks Oct 22 #61
I didn't think the orange bastard stood a chance in hell to become president in 2016, C Moon Oct 22 #71
Abortion was still legal. Trump didn't have a record to run on. valleyrogue Oct 22 #77
well there's that - and then there's ... stopdiggin Oct 22 #72
Ugh! Fuck the polls! Initech Oct 22 #82
Yeah - - pretty much exactly what my post pointed to .. -(nt)- stopdiggin Oct 22 #83
It had moved back to 50/50 yesterday Wiz Imp Oct 23 #90
dead heat accurately describes what is on view stopdiggin Oct 23 #95
I won't rest easy until the vote is certified and Kamala is sworn in. Initech Oct 22 #81
Source: Trust me, bro. Socal31 Oct 23 #96

TwilightZone

(28,834 posts)
3. "Even Americans aren't that stupid."
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 08:37 PM
Oct 21

Claim lacks evidence.

No, they really are that stupid. Otherwise, Trump would have been laughed off the stage in 2015. 2020 wouldn't have come down to a tiny fraction of the vote in a few states. His approval ratings wouldn't be near three-year highs*.

There isn't much evidence that his support has dropped at all, much less precipitously. There's no evidence that they've learned anything at all or changed their opinions. People really are that stupid.

Harris's camp also insists that it's very close. I don't suspect that they're lying.

Lucky for us, we're motivated and I think that's going to make all the difference. Because it has to.

* https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

PCIntern

(26,940 posts)
8. I respectfully disagree
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 09:03 PM
Oct 21

There are a sufficient number of semi-aware individuals who have had enough. I’m not buying most of these polls: it was predicted that there’d be a flood of BS polls before Election Day. Here we are.

TwilightZone

(28,834 posts)
29. Similar claims were made in 2020.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:25 PM
Oct 21

The prevailing opinion was that GOP voters would bail on Trump in droves because of the impeachment, COVID, and a million other things that happened during his administration.

There was no exodus. 5% of them voted for Biden, about the norm for cross-over in a presidential election. 4% of Democrats voted for Trump, making it basically a wash.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

We simply cannot count on crossover votes. Our side must simply outvote their side. Turnout on our side is everything.

maxsolomon

(35,222 posts)
67. I do. I am related to several. They all live in Ohio. All of them will vote.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 04:58 PM
Oct 22

NONE of them have changed their minds. MFer delivered on the only issue they really care about: Zygotes. They won. They won't move on.

Out here in the Blue Wall, I know zero Trumpists.

BonnieJW

(2,589 posts)
46. I do not believe the polls.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 07:15 AM
Oct 22

It's been shown that pubs are paying for the majority of these polls that come out in favor of a maniac. I don't believe that 50 percent of the country is as demented as tsf

BattleRow

(1,224 posts)
16. P.T. Barnum said you could never go broke
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 09:29 PM
Oct 21

underestimating the taste of the American people.

We're all going for broke,in this election.

OldBaldy1701E

(6,477 posts)
45. With all respect.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 05:44 AM
Oct 22

That quote was H.L. Mencken. Barnum said that 'no one ever went broke overestimating the intelligence of the American public'.

Both are, unfortunately, correct.

lees1975

(6,027 posts)
30. Apparently a lot of Americans are that stupid. Unfortunately.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:34 PM
Oct 21

Or they are extremely misinformed, naive, unobservant, uneducated and ignorant.
All of those things. If you ever talk to a genuinely convinced Trumpie, it's a look in their eye and their tone of voice that tells you they're missing an experience on this planet.

kansasobama

(1,537 posts)
35. No Americans are stupid
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:00 PM
Oct 21

That includes our own Dems voting for Trump because he will bring down prices. President does not bring down prices. There is something called world market and macro economics and supply and demand. If prices are very low, world must be going through an upheaval. Prices cannot be too low, gas prices cannot be 87 cents unless there is a big recession.

He will bring down democracy. That is a good assumption.

Wiz Imp

(2,114 posts)
92. Right. People are too stupid to understand that prices going down significantly is "deflation"
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 03:27 PM
Oct 23

And any kind of prolonged period of or significant volume of deflation would be disastrous for the economy as a whole. There was significant deflation in the US for the first half of the '30's (The Great Depression!) and unemployment was 25% or higher for years.

MFM008

(20,008 posts)
75. My dad left us
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 08:06 PM
Oct 22

With sage advice, he said Americans were the stupidest people on the face of the planet. And this was a guy who was in the US Air Force 25 years. What do you know he was right.

Biophilic

(4,902 posts)
54. He was an amazing horse.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:13 AM
Oct 22

I find it interesting that those special genes of his have mostly been passed through his female descendants.

valleyrogue

(1,144 posts)
76. The greatest performance in the history of sports.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 08:37 PM
Oct 22

I was very fortunate to have seen him in person at Claiborne Farm just a couple of months before he passed. I got to pet him. I received a lock of his mane from his groom. I still have it and the light blue butcher paper it is wrapped in.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,769 posts)
79. I understand his times have never been beaten
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 09:44 PM
Oct 22

in the Triple Crown. And also that in all three races he ran each quarter faster than the one before, and was still accelerating at the finish.

valleyrogue

(1,144 posts)
80. The records still hold 51 years later.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:04 PM
Oct 22

He was a genetic freak in the best sense of the word. There will never be another one like him.

electric_blue68

(18,428 posts)
7. While I don't think it'll be a landslide (oh, I'd be thrilled to be wrong!) I'm thinking at least ? 54% KH vs 46% DT
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 09:02 PM
Oct 21

Wiz Imp

(2,114 posts)
36. 54-46 would be a landslide
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:09 PM
Oct 21

The last president to get 54% or more of the vote was Ronald Reagan in 1984
George H.W. Bush got 53.4% and won 426 Electoral Votes in 1988
Clinton got 49.2% to Bob Dole's 40.7% in 1996. His 8.5% margin was the largest since Reagan in the last 40 years (since 1984.) Clinton won 379 Electoral Votes
Obama got 52.9% of the vote and won 365 Electoral Votes in 2008

I'd call all of those landslides.

Wiz Imp

(2,114 posts)
87. I'll settle for any margin that gives Kamala Harris more electoral votes than Trump. Of course, bigger would be better
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 03:00 PM
Oct 23

Wiz Imp

(2,114 posts)
86. You apparently aren't aware then that no Presidential candidate has ever received 65% of the vote
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 02:56 PM
Oct 23

in the entire (almost) 250 year history of our country. The highest vote percentage ever was Lyndon Johnson in 1964 with 61%. Even in 1972 Nixon lost only 1 state (Massachusetts) &DC, but only got 60.7% of the vote. And 1984, Reagan lost just 1 state (Minnesota) but got only 58.8% of the vote.

No offense, but your definition of a landslide is probably way too big - especially considering that kind of margin has never happened in history. I think most people now consider a landslide from an electoral college viewpoint and it happens when the winning candidate at least doubles up the losers EV total. I believe I listed the 3 most recent times that happened in the previous post

electric_blue68

(18,428 posts)
88. I Did NOT Know that! Then what you said makes sense.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 03:07 PM
Oct 23

I remember walking into McGovern's Election eve hotel here in NYC where you could see the awful results.

Ohhhhh, what a terrible night that was!

Wiz Imp

(2,114 posts)
91. Don't feel bad, I didn't realize 61% was the max either.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 03:20 PM
Oct 23

I remember 72 election too, even though I was just a kid. I remember how disappointed my dad was, even though I think he expected McGovern to lose.

I also remember how depressing 1984 was. It was the first election I was eligible to vote (and like a dumbass, I didn't). I guess I had the bad attitude that my vote didn't matter which I realized quickly as I got a little older was a very stupid attitude to have (I did vote in 1988 and every election since!). That said, it was clear Reagan was gonna win easily, but despite that, it was depressing as hell.

wryter2000

(47,550 posts)
10. In 2016, he didn't get the popular vote
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 09:10 PM
Oct 21

In 2020, he also lost the electoral college. Since then, he’s only alienated more Americans.

BaronChocula

(2,519 posts)
33. In addition
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:51 PM
Oct 21

since 2020 Democratic candidates and initiatives have been outperforming polls, consistently. Something's been happening that the polls STILL haven't picked up on.

dflprincess

(28,505 posts)
11. I would rather people think it's a dead heat
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 09:10 PM
Oct 21

because if we all start thinking Harris will run away with it, we'll get over confident & too many people may decide their vote "isn't needed" and use any lame excuse to not take the time to vote.

homegirl

(1,552 posts)
70. And DonOld is...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 05:32 PM
Oct 22
Former President Donald Trump abruptly canceled a planned media event Tuesday — again.

The Hill's Hanna Trudo reported that "Trump was scheduled to hold a virtual roundtable with RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard today, which has now been canceled."

The 78-year-old Trump has been backing out of multiple planned events amid reports that he's feeling "exhausted" by the demands of the 2024 presidential campaign.

In addition to the planned RFK Jr-Gabbard event, Trump canceled interviews with CBS News' "60 Minutes," as well as with CNBC and NBC News.

Vice President Kamala Harris has taunted Trump over these cancellations on the campaign trail and has used them to make the argument that he lacks the mental fitness to do the job.

"Now he is ducking debates and cancelling interviews," she said during a campaign rally in Michigan last week. "Come on! And check this out: His own campaign team recently said it is because of exhaustion! Well, if you are exhausted on the campaign trail, it raises real questions about whether you are fit for the toughest job in the world!"

Efilroft Sul

(3,764 posts)
14. This can't be a dead heat when, two years after Roe fell, women are reminded every month about losing their rights.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 09:22 PM
Oct 21

I hope they burn that lamprey-mouthed cockwomble and all the limpet cultists stuck to his ass.

Devilsun

(276 posts)
15. Harness Racing
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 09:25 PM
Oct 21

There was a harness racing track very close to the small town I'm from in SW PA. The Meadows.

Response to Devilsun (Reply #15)

Dan

(4,123 posts)
17. This statement of yours below, is it true or rumor?
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 09:43 PM
Oct 21

“…..present wife who’s had a known long-term sexual relationship with a Tiffany’s security man….”

Sanity Claws

(22,053 posts)
49. Tiffany's security man?
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 08:00 AM
Oct 22

Sounds beneath her snobbish, rich standards. I don't think she is into men who work. She is more into rich men who hires others to do their work.

SalamanderSleeps

(677 posts)
64. Snobbish, rich standards....maybe?
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:06 PM
Oct 22

She is a car dealer's daughter that used her delicious skin to make her way in the world.
A reptile's gonna do what a reptile's gonna do.

She is a transactional diva yes, but not a truly credentialled snob.
And, of course she's been sleeping with the help.

Can you imagine how revolting the alternative would be? She married a walking paper-cut.

Still, she's now an American.
I guess we will have to keep her, and her little brat, forever.

Just keep her away from the silverware.

I just feel bad for Barron because he never had even a single chance to be anything more than a budding tragedy.


Everything Trump touches dies.



Sanity Claws

(22,053 posts)
65. Car dealer's daughter?
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:14 PM
Oct 22

I didn't hear that. I thought her dad as a Communist Party apparatchik. He only lost that position with the fall of the USSR.

SalamanderSleeps

(677 posts)
66. You can be two things at one time.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:44 PM
Oct 22

Viktor Knavs worked first as a driver for the Jutranjka textile factory, repaired cars, and eventually started his business selling automobiles and parts he brought in from abroad. In that sense Melania’s father was, literally, a used car salesman. Also: mopeds.

Even in Communist times, when few people could afford any automobile and those who could afford one had to wait for years to get their vehicle, Knavs was the proud owner of a Mercedes.

“His wife and daughters dressed in beautiful clothes that Melania’s mother made for long hours after her work, Viktor drove a Mercedes, the family went on vacations abroad—so I am not surprised that the UDBA investigated Knavs,” said Polona Kosak, a 68-year-old housewife in the Knavs’ old neighborhood.

Kosak, like most in her generation, has vivid memories of the way the secret police operated. “I remember how my own parents, thoughtful intellectuals, were afraid of UDBA’s political police, which kept an eye on well-traveled people, often turning them either into informers or collaborators.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/melanias-dad-a-new-american-citizen-with-a-record-in-yugoslavias-secret-police-files/

3auld6phart

(1,283 posts)
18. Might
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 09:47 PM
Oct 21
I add to your me. Having trouble reading it.Lost my mag. anyways here goes.He is a freakin imbecile pervert. Child molester and now seems entralled by the sight of male exterior a plumbing. What a freak and maggots fight to kiss nis shit stained ass. I’

musclecar6

(1,884 posts)
19. Yep
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 09:47 PM
Oct 21

Very well said. Our favorite evil bully thinks enough voters are so stupid he can tell them in no uncertain terms that he is gonna be their modern day Adolph Hitler and wreak havoc on all their rights and these fucking dumb shits will just lay down and let him walk all over them.

They may be stupid, but not that stupid. This piece of garbage will be on his way to sentencing for the 34 felonies after Nov 5th.

Amishman

(5,825 posts)
73. Close to where I see it, but I'd move NC and NV into our column, and PA into his
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 06:33 PM
Oct 22

Really have a bad feeling about PA. The voter registration shift away from us since last time really bothers me, and turnout so far with early voting is slightly whiter and slightly more republican than 2020.

H2O Man

(75,679 posts)
24. Recommended.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:13 PM
Oct 21

I agree 100%. This afternoon, I ran into a teacher from my daughters' school. She said that she is extremmely anxious about the election. I said that VP Harris will win convincingly, by 9 million votes. She asked if I was sure? I said that at this time in 2020, I said on DU that Biden would win by 7 million.

You have captured the essence of the felo0n. More importantly, you have stated exactly why VP Harris has this. Thank you for that.

H2O Man

(75,679 posts)
74. Okay,
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 07:50 PM
Oct 22

but I've been listening to John's "Revolution9" to try to make sense of why McDonald's is offering the McPalmer Whopper with a small mushroom.

AdamGG

(1,506 posts)
31. If the polling is actually right and things are razor thin on 11/5...
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:39 PM
Oct 21

I hope Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, Tony Evers & Roy Cooper have the National Guard on speed dial to allow the poll workers to tabulate the results free from harassment.

Devilsun

(276 posts)
34. Major Troll
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:59 PM
Oct 21

I commented on this post and some troll replied to my comment stating how badly Harris is going to lose. 🤨

Self Esteem

(1,737 posts)
37. It absolutely is a dead heat.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:15 PM
Oct 21

I know it's frustrating to realize that this election is a toss-up. But it is. The Harris campaign is well aware how close this race is. People expecting a blowout are going to be inconsolable on election day at this rate.

I think Harris wins. But I don't believe it'll be by more than three-points nationally and only by a few thousand votes across multiple states.

Right now, I think Harris wins 276-262.

Sympthsical

(10,318 posts)
50. AtlasIntel shows an electoral college tie
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 08:02 AM
Oct 22

Just in case anyone was in the market to lose sleep.

I'd been a little tuned out the past month and just started tuning in to polls the past few days, and now I'm getting a little anxious. I wasn't before at all, but the polling across the board is consistently showing a close race.

My spidey sense is similar to yours. 3-4% in Harris' national favor with a terrifying closeness in swing states.

But I still think there could be some last minute movement by a percent or two towards Harris in the swings before all is said and done. Maybe that's wishcasting or denial on my part. I think when we get some final polling next week we'll all feel a lot better or somewhat worse.

We're living in a weird time where if a candidate wins a swing state by 3 points, that's practically a blow out.

Wiz Imp

(2,114 posts)
93. Keep in mind that AtlasIntels latest national poll shows Trump winning the popular vote
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 03:37 PM
Oct 23

They estimate Trump winning a majority (something like 53%) of women (talk about nuts!) 45% of Hispanics, and 30% of Blacks. Their swing state polls were much more favorable to Harris, but none of it makes sense.

My sense is if she can win the national vote by 3% to 4%, then the swing states won't all be as close as the polling suggests. Just a gut feeling.

Trust_Reality

(1,902 posts)
38. As for the polls...
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:31 PM
Oct 21

If a stranger called my phone and asked who I am going to vote for, as a Harris voter, I would hang up. How do I know that is not someone collecting names of Trump's domestic enemies?

Rocknation

(44,884 posts)
39. I concur with your diagnoses
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:32 PM
Oct 21

Last edited Thu Oct 31, 2024, 05:33 PM - Edit history (4)

Posted by Rocktivity (January 2021):
"...(In 2020)...Trump's AND Biden's 'new' votes ALL came from those who DIDN'T vote in 2016 due to being either too young or too apathetic."


Posted by Rocknation (July 2024):
"It simply didn't make sense that Biden would be pulling out this late in the game...(W)ith the help of Trump's (first) attempted assassin, I think I've cracked the case.

"Multiply Thomas Matthew Crooks by all the Republicans his martyrdom has liberated from being expected to reconcile being GOP with being MAGA, and we score our cheatproof margin of victory."







Rocknation


usonian

(14,298 posts)
40. Mainstream media say that Trump is in quicksand up to his ankles.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:36 PM
Oct 21

I say that he's in head-first.




---
Stolen from Spike Jones.

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Florida Dem

(35 posts)
43. Nevada
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:22 AM
Oct 22

Nevada looks like it's going to be tough for the Dems based on the early data. I don't understand how we're getting creamed there. Hopefully, it's state specific. I think more Rs than Ds have voted in Georgia also. Not states we need if the blue wall holds but also not exactly reassuring.

PCIntern

(26,940 posts)
44. You made my point...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 05:30 AM
Oct 22

Saying that it’s a dead heat is disingenuous no matter which side you’re rooting for. The media is playing us and doing it successfully.

Envirogal

(175 posts)
56. I dunno, what I see on the "internets" indicate Trump is gaining.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 11:40 AM
Oct 22

I am not on Ticktock but I am on YouTube and let me tell you, the right wing has taken over social media like they did AM radio. Any podcast I see I look at the comparative numbers and right wing sites command more likes and comments than left-wing tends to.

An example of this is when Harris went on Call Her Daddy around the same time, Trump went on a lesser known comedy podcast, Flagrant. The YouTube numbers aren’t even in the same ballpark—Trump’s views and the attention it received was 5 :1. (Trump went hard for the incel/bro culture vote since he is so popular with the UFC type of male. Many of them had never been political before.) This also ties into the very real issue of the glass ceiling guards that would “never vote for a woman”. The misogyny and racial animosity barrier is very real.

The algorithms are also very geared to right leaning media. I am led all the time to these sites and in no way would my viewing indicate anything other than left leaning yet I still get so many right ones. Ugh! But even the lesser known shows are pulling in more actual views than most cable news. The world and a new generation has shifted how they get information.

The Arab/Israel rift is another thing that really hurt Dem support, which is crazy considering Trump is going to be fine with anything that Bibi does. Yet Dems “are funding this” so young people are divided, which hurts turnout.

My big hope is that many of the numbskull, victim-loving “bros” keep with tradition and just don’t vote, despite their insane Trump enthusiasm. We will see what the Madison Square Garden rally does. (Trump is all over sports, too.) That is why Eloon bribing them just may work. But all this would explain Las Vegas breaking for Trump.

I am more than happy to be wrong, but I think there are areas that polling may not be accounting for. It’s the underworld of the Internet that makes me nervous and it’s a world I don’t understand because I’m way too old. But it’s a breeding ground for idiots and damaged people for sure, otherwise known as “the base”. It’s how Quanon became a thing out of nowhere that attracted so many women because they got lured in on the issue of child trafficking and then they went off the deep end and got indoctrinated.

I am in a solid blue state but I hope our compadres in the blue wall holds strong! But we should not negate the Trump enthusiasm., which I know is senseless given he is a treasonous, grifting, dementia, criminal.



DJ Porkchop

(632 posts)
69. I think the answer is in your post.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 05:18 PM
Oct 22

The "terminally online" hatebots our fellow Americans have become will not actually appear in the voting booths.
They will presume it's a lock, and never venture out where real people reside and vote.
I'm not saying it's a lock. I'm voting early. But a social media take does not a country make.

I believe there are more Americans who are compassionate than those who are mean and racist, and know a reprobate when they see one, and will act to defeat him.

Make America Respectable Again. Again.
KAM47A 2024

bucolic_frolic

(47,309 posts)
51. The parallels to 1980 cannot be missed
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 08:25 AM
Oct 22

1980 was close down the stretch until the final debate where BrylCreme Ronnie asked, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?"

No more debates this year, and Donnie has the credibility of a cucumber. Dead heat? The fear will make people vote, and undecideds and new voters will break for Kamala. They don't care about party, they just want Trump to go away.

That makes a watershed election possible. We have to ramp up the anger and disgust at Trump, and be the racehorses down the stretch.

This is doable, and like a raging bull market, it climbs a wall of worry. Don't worry, don't fear. Vote, and work to get out the vote.

Cosmocat

(15,021 posts)
89. 80 Reagen was running against an incumbent
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 03:07 PM
Oct 23

Kamala is basically Carter in that comparison because the right has put what they put on Joe on her. It's why she was unable to build on her initial lead, the Rs were able to turn it in her.

AND it is was right wing framing that took Carter down. Trump is not facing that highly disciplined and coordinated attacks, while the right has normalized his insanity to half the country give or take.


It actually is why Kamala was not able to build on her initial lead. She is Carter in this comparison.

Wiz Imp

(2,114 posts)
94. Eh. In some ways yes and in other ways no.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 03:57 PM
Oct 23

Trump is more like an incumbent than most candidates having been in the position recently and much of the public remembering what a disaster he was. And while Harris is the current VP, she's not the President like Carter was and that does make a big difference (even though the right has pretended for the past 2 months that she ran everything for the past four years, even though up until 2 months ago they claimed she had done absolutely nothing).

But the biggest difference is in 2024, Unemployment is low & Inflation is low. In 1980 both were quite high (and they got even higher for about 2 years after Reagan was elected). That is the primary reason Reagan won. I know there is a perception among Trump supporters that the economy is bad but that is because of the biggest difference with 1980. In 1980, there was no enormous right wing echo chamber of TV (Fox), Talk Radio and right wing websites which work to effectively brainwash their supporters into voting against their own self interests. But the truth is a very strong weapon in fighting propaganda, and Harris has truth on her side.

I think the right wing echo chamber is what keeps Harris from gaining as much momentum in the final 2 weeks as Reagan got. But Trump himself is his own worst enemy and the more attention he gets, I think the more motivated people become to vote against him And of course he has the potential to melt down at any time, destroying his chances (I don't know that it will happen, but I think it is getting closer and closer to actually happening).

SpankMe

(3,282 posts)
55. "If we have any sense she's got this in the bag."
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:54 AM
Oct 22

You're aware that we're in the United States, right? "Sense" isn't exactly our long suit.

PCIntern

(26,940 posts)
59. My point is
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 11:51 AM
Oct 22

That it’s not a dead heat no matter what. There’s a big difference between narrow win or loss than a literal tie.

enigmania

(224 posts)
58. My wife and I,
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 11:49 AM
Oct 22

southerners born in the '50s, blue collar, middle class, are voting for Harris. More Harris signs popping up lately in the rural county we live in, too.

Jakes Progress

(11,177 posts)
60. Optimism vs Pessimism
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 11:55 AM
Oct 22

Both are acceptable ways of dealing with the situation. No one should be condemned for resorting to either. They are both coping mechanisms.

Beartracks

(13,606 posts)
61. Dear Undecided Voters: If you really don't want Trump in office, but can't decide if you'll vote for Kamala...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 12:26 PM
Oct 22

... then you are in fact willing to try Trump again.

Are you really okay with another Trump regime?

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C Moon

(12,593 posts)
71. I didn't think the orange bastard stood a chance in hell to become president in 2016,
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 05:35 PM
Oct 22

but he did.

I'm going to believe the worst is possible.

Wiz Imp

(2,114 posts)
90. It had moved back to 50/50 yesterday
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 03:12 PM
Oct 23

It's apparently being skewed today by a +2 Trump national poll released last night by a right wing pollster. Also, they haven't added any new Pennsylvania polls in 3 days - the last 4 or 5 listed are all right wing pollsters. Even with that, Harris trails in 538's average for PA by just 0.2 and she is up in both Michigan & Wisconsin.

stopdiggin

(12,930 posts)
95. dead heat accurately describes what is on view
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 07:04 PM
Oct 23

Now people are free to argue, "I don't believe" all they want to. But that's a different kettle of fish. The polls - even the good ones - are uniformly calling this a very tight contest.

Socal31

(2,490 posts)
96. Source: Trust me, bro.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:17 PM
Oct 23

I believe there is enough diveristy of data and sources to reasonably argue for every potential outcome outside of a sad Trumpet landslide or no EC winner. My own personal attorney from Trust, Me, and Bro breaks it down like this, from most likely to least:

1. Kamla wins comfortably
2. Kamala wins a nailbiter
3. Sad Trumpet wins a nailbiter
4. Apophis-like solid mass comes from behind the sun to negate the whole exercise
....

9999. I outsmart a woman for once in my life

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?. Sad Trumpet landslide

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