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Justice matters.

(8,225 posts)
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:07 PM Oct 2024

Tesla Sales Plummet as Democrats Stop Buying the Electric Cars Due to Elon Musk



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Couldn't happen to a more deserving idiot propagandist, although it's sad for the workers at his factories.

There are other and better EVs on the market now, Ford's Mustang Mach-E, F150 Lightning are pretty good alternatives.
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Tesla Sales Plummet as Democrats Stop Buying the Electric Cars Due to Elon Musk (Original Post) Justice matters. Oct 2024 OP
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes! Initech Oct 2024 #1
My wife and I had discussed buying a Tesla but have decided that we never will chicoescuela Oct 2024 #2
Tesla stock has a P/E of 65 edhopper Oct 2024 #3
At Least 700% ProfessorGAC Oct 2024 #79
Sounds right edhopper Oct 2024 #84
Gee, that's a shame. Wednesdays Oct 2024 #4
The pubs tell me the namby pamby Democrats buy all the electric cars Brother Buzz Oct 2024 #5
I'm sure he'll whine about "cancel culture." Lunabell Oct 2024 #6
Exactly. Showing how stupid he is BaronChocula Oct 2024 #47
He is stupid but also raised during apartheid Dem4life1234 Oct 2024 #78
It starts with self-serving attemps to cancel reality Zambero Oct 2024 #56
I used to think " great company" about Tesla or Space X..now i think "Musk" Demovictory9 Oct 2024 #7
muck verargert Oct 2024 #37
muck verargert Oct 2024 #38
Friends don't let friends give money to Elon Musk. dalton99a Oct 2024 #8
Its false. former9thward Oct 2024 #9
That's worldwide. Democratic voters only live inside the USA, except... Justice matters. Oct 2024 #16
Yes, but the company only cares about the bottom line. former9thward Oct 2024 #18
Yes, but he's losing a lot of potential customers he would not Justice matters. Oct 2024 #24
I agree. former9thward Oct 2024 #25
Michael Jordan was asked back in the 90s why he never makes political statements. bearsfootball516 Oct 2024 #76
That may be kcr Oct 2024 #74
Tesla's sales have not "plummeted". former9thward Oct 2024 #95
No, the data in the OP is just really old. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Oct 2024 #22
No, it's not false. Tesla's 2024 sales are down year over year, unlike almost all other EV manufacturers. SunSeeker Oct 2024 #61
Southern california is Tesla, cybertruck country Demovictory9 Oct 2024 #10
Tesla Cybertruck Sales Surge In Q3 As Used Price Crashes womanofthehills Oct 2024 #58
There's always one fanboy who just can't quit this guy and his shitty cars. BannonsLiver Oct 2024 #11
+1 dalton99a Oct 2024 #12
Do you own a Tesla? ramedy Oct 2024 #15
LMAO BannonsLiver Oct 2024 #19
So... ramedy Oct 2024 #23
Jesus. calm down. BannonsLiver Oct 2024 #26
OK. ramedy Oct 2024 #30
Forget it, Jake. It's DUtown. Abolishinist Oct 2024 #48
I'd also like to know that. nt Disaffected Oct 2024 #59
lol BannonsLiver Oct 2024 #89
"Calm down" Disaffected Oct 2024 #90
Like Apple, any and all service or maintenance can only be done by them StocktonNative Oct 2024 #32
Thought that was one of its best selling features... electric cars don't need much maintenance. Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 2024 #34
There really isn't any service. ramedy Oct 2024 #36
There is no spare tire! Bobstandard Oct 2024 #83
I hate Apple too. hunter Oct 2024 #39
Anyone who's driven or owned a Tesla knows it's not a "shitty" car Zorro Oct 2024 #45
For me it's Elon's politics that's destroyed any desire to own a Tesla RidinWithHarris Oct 2024 #62
And don't own one and can't afford one either standingtall Oct 2024 #73
Consumer Reports The Revolution Oct 2024 #51
That's welcome to free markets the hard way. Aristus Oct 2024 #13
This isn't new. The WSJ article was in April. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #14
I was also not sure about their "breaking" so I didn't paste it in. Justice matters. Oct 2024 #42
I'm always skeptical when the only apparent source is an unsourced tweet. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2024 #94
For years, it was our eldest daughter's dream phylny Oct 2024 #17
I wish he would sell the company. But since he won't Liberal In Texas Oct 2024 #21
Teslas are starting to look dated too MotownPgh Oct 2024 #46
Musk has learned nothing from the pillow guy. VMA131Marine Oct 2024 #27
Not around here underpants Oct 2024 #28
Recently I encountered people who were giddy they sold their Teslas kimbutgar Oct 2024 #29
Tesla outsold Ford 19:1 in EV sales in the first half of 2024 MichMan Oct 2024 #31
From the link: Justice matters. Oct 2024 #33
I saw a Tesla sedan with a bumper sticker that said roscoeroscoe Oct 2024 #35
Musk is in on the con. He and Trump have a plan for funneling tax money to Musk. He doesn't care about his companies. Hamlette Oct 2024 #40
Now Democrats just need to end the government contracts Renew Deal Oct 2024 #41
Absolutely Trust_Reality Oct 2024 #50
Musk is very CREEPY. Joinfortmill Oct 2024 #43
Love my Lyriq. NoMoreRepugs Oct 2024 #44
Quite simply: usonian Oct 2024 #49
Elon stopped taking his Irony Deficient tablets. n/t aggiesal Oct 2024 #52
Republicans can take up the slack. Donald now recommends EV. keithbvadu2 Oct 2024 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Oct 2024 #54
The belief that electric cars are "green" is rather like the belief... NNadir Oct 2024 #92
Agreed on both counts.nt jfz9580m Oct 2024 #93
I am a lifelong Dem who purposely bought a preowned Tesla Model 3 so Eloon didn't get any of my money. OMGWTF Oct 2024 #55
Per this site, US sales per month in 2024 are lower than those in 2023. spooky3 Oct 2024 #57
A permanently tarnished image. Aussie105 Oct 2024 #60
Yup. But other EVs are selling just fine. SunSeeker Oct 2024 #63
WTG.. Protest with your $$$$ Dems! Cha Oct 2024 #64
We are, Cha! SunSeeker Oct 2024 #65
Feast for my Eyes,,, May it Keep Going Lower and Lower Cha Oct 2024 #67
We own an EV...Not a Tesla. Tikki Oct 2024 #66
Nice looking vehicle get the red out Oct 2024 #81
I had a ride in one at an Autoshow edhopper Oct 2024 #85
Fuck anything that puts money in that freak's pocket Blue Owl Oct 2024 #68
Posting this from Musk's Xhitter. Lol. Voltaire2 Oct 2024 #69
I'm starting to see a number of Rivians on the road around me. Good looking cars as they pass me. ZonkerHarris Oct 2024 #70
Never owned an ev and probably never will especially not a Telsa standingtall Oct 2024 #71
I'll fucking buy a gas guzzler with TWO fucking gas-chugging engines before I would consider buying that fuck ass shit. SoFlaBro Oct 2024 #72
Well that and other companies are releasing better EV options MistakenLamb Oct 2024 #75
His big mistake was being political and supporting that orange thug Dem4life1234 Oct 2024 #77
Besides Musk being an asshole look at Consumer Reports reliability ratings doc03 Oct 2024 #80
+1. It is an overpriced piece of crap dalton99a Oct 2024 #82
I drove north from San Jose through SF to Sonoma County yesterday Unwind Your Mind Oct 2024 #86
Fascist to the Core Motors Kid Berwyn Oct 2024 #87
Jason Bateman on his podcast Smartless said that he got rid of his Tesla oregonjen Oct 2024 #88
+1 dalton99a Oct 2024 #91

Initech

(104,396 posts)
1. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:11 PM
Oct 2024

Flirting with authoritarianism and fascist, tyrannical dictators is a stupid game. One that nether Trump or Musk will win.

chicoescuela

(1,928 posts)
2. My wife and I had discussed buying a Tesla but have decided that we never will
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:14 PM
Oct 2024

all because of Leon Musk. I feel bad for his workforce.

edhopper

(35,682 posts)
3. Tesla stock has a P/E of 65
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:14 PM
Oct 2024

Toyota, the world's biggest auto maker selling 10x what Tesla does has a P/E of 7.
And since his promises of self driving cars was more bullshit,,that tells me Tesla stock is over priced by 1000%

ProfessorGAC

(72,149 posts)
79. At Least 700%
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 06:54 AM
Oct 2024

Their market cap is 7x assets. So to me, that's the starting point of the overvaluation.
It's presumably overvalued because of potential. But, the company is over 20 years old & the main market niches have been established. And, competition is increasing.
So, that suggest the potential is overstated as well.
It could be your 10x number, but it's at least 7.

edhopper

(35,682 posts)
84. Sounds right
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:15 AM
Oct 2024

All depends on how far the Tesla brand falls. Beyond the increase competition, they have had no new models or redesigned models for years, no SUVs, the most popular car type, and a few more of Musk's empty promises could really sink them.

Brother Buzz

(38,270 posts)
5. The pubs tell me the namby pamby Democrats buy all the electric cars
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:18 PM
Oct 2024

That nimrod, Musk, doesn’t know how to read a room

BaronChocula

(2,621 posts)
47. Exactly. Showing how stupid he is
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 12:00 AM
Oct 2024

It's the market, Elon! People don't like you, they don't buy your shit! it's capitalism at work!

Zambero

(9,825 posts)
56. It starts with self-serving attemps to cancel reality
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 12:40 AM
Oct 2024

As of late, it seems that Musk's mega-funded disinformation campaign has become his life goal.

Demovictory9

(35,042 posts)
7. I used to think " great company" about Tesla or Space X..now i think "Musk"
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:19 PM
Oct 2024

Racist misogynistic righwing musk

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
9. Its false.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:19 PM
Oct 2024

Tesla's sales in the third quarter of 2024 were 462,890 vehicles, a 6.4% increase from the same quarter in 2023. This was the first quarter of 2024 that Tesla saw a rise in quarterly deliveries. The increase was due to strong performance in China and financing deals offered to counter high interest rates.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/10/02/tesla-sales-up-6-4-in-3rd-quarter-charts-graphs/

Justice matters.

(8,225 posts)
16. That's worldwide. Democratic voters only live inside the USA, except...
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:29 PM
Oct 2024

those who work abroad (or live abroad).

Justice matters.

(8,225 posts)
24. Yes, but he's losing a lot of potential customers he would not
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:39 PM
Oct 2024

he would not have lost them if he did not go full-blown nuts about social media propaganda for the fascists, revealing himself to be one ugly liar and manipulator. He should have stayed out of meddling in politics.

bearsfootball516

(6,558 posts)
76. Michael Jordan was asked back in the 90s why he never makes political statements.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 06:34 AM
Oct 2024

He said “Because Republicans buy shoes too”

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
95. Tesla's sales have not "plummeted".
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 05:32 PM
Oct 2024

Maybe you have a different definition of the word that myself.

Response to former9thward (Reply #9)

SunSeeker

(55,322 posts)
61. No, it's not false. Tesla's 2024 sales are down year over year, unlike almost all other EV manufacturers.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:06 AM
Oct 2024

Going back to the 1st quarter and 2nd quarter of 2024, Tesla’s year-over-year sales drops were 8.5% and 4.8%, respectively. As your CleanTechnica article goes on to point out, Tesla "will still need a strong 4th quarter in order to log sales growth in 2024." So no, the OP headline is not "false," former9thward. Tesla's sales in 2024 are down. The overall Tesla sales picture that your own CleanTechnica article describes shows Tesla sales look like they are trending down, not up.



And you can't blame it on a marketwide EV sales slowdown. The so called EV sales slowdown is mostly a Tesla sales slowdown, according to sales data. Tesla may be in trouble, but other EVs are selling just fine. Almost every other automaker is seeing double-digit EV sales growth. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/06/ev-sales-slowdown-is-mostly-a-tesla-problem-according-to-sales-data/

womanofthehills

(9,605 posts)
58. Tesla Cybertruck Sales Surge In Q3 As Used Price Crashes
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 12:49 AM
Oct 2024

“The Tesla Cybertruck was the third bestselling EV in the U.S. in the third quarter, defying conventional wisdom. Used prices, meanwhile, are falling as more new Cybertrucks flood the market.

Despite a lavish price tag starting at about $100,000, the Tesla pickup outsold every EV in the U.S. in the third quarter except for the Model Y and Model 3, according to Cox Automotive, which owns Kelley Blue Book.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2024/10/15/tesla-cybertruck-sales-surge-in-q3-as-used-price-crashes/

ramedy

(185 posts)
15. Do you own a Tesla?
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:28 PM
Oct 2024

I’m curious to know how you determine that it’s a “shitty” car?


ramedy

(185 posts)
23. So...
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:38 PM
Oct 2024

Basically you don’t actually have any real knowledge? You just hate Musk?

I was hoping that you could educate me. Guess not.

StocktonNative

(131 posts)
32. Like Apple, any and all service or maintenance can only be done by them
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:54 PM
Oct 2024

..also the repair costs are extremely higher than most other vehicles.

The Mini Cooper has a better interior design that most Teslas.

Jmb 4 Harris-Walz

(1,080 posts)
34. Thought that was one of its best selling features... electric cars don't need much maintenance.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:59 PM
Oct 2024

Perhaps now that the vehicles prices have come down, they are making maintenance more expensive.

ramedy

(185 posts)
36. There really isn't any service.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:09 PM
Oct 2024

Except maybe for tires. And very little maintenance. I think there are less than 10 moving parts.

It’s completely different than an ICE automobile in many aspects.

Bobstandard

(1,854 posts)
83. There is no spare tire!
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 09:46 AM
Oct 2024

When you get a flat Tesla has to change the tire. Seriously. You're stranded when you get a flat. Usually you have to wait until a flatbed tow truck comes to haul you to somewhere safe. Then you wait for a Tesla tech to show up with a tire and the proper tools to change it.

hunter

(39,438 posts)
39. I hate Apple too.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:14 PM
Oct 2024

My cars and my computers are salvage.

I don't want to encourage certain industries with my dollars.

The only "new" computer I've bought this last decade was a Raspberry Pi 4.

The last and only time I'll ever buy a new car was when I was young and foolish, back in the 'eighties.

Zorro

(17,116 posts)
45. Anyone who's driven or owned a Tesla knows it's not a "shitty" car
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:51 PM
Oct 2024

Those who say such things either don't own one or can't afford one.

RidinWithHarris

(790 posts)
62. For me it's Elon's politics that's destroyed any desire to own a Tesla
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:08 AM
Oct 2024

I definitely wanted one before Musk made it so public what an asshole he is.

As for the Cybertruck, from what I've heard it's fair to call that particular monstrosity a shitty car.

standingtall

(3,063 posts)
73. And don't own one and can't afford one either
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:59 AM
Oct 2024

but youtube is full of of Telsa Cyber truck owners talking about how shitty they are? Maybe their just making it up for views. I believe if you buy a brand new car and don't have any problems for 5 years that doesn't mean it's a good car it's just means it's new. Tesla's have only been around sense 2011. Let's see how many Tesla's are still on the road 20,30 and even 40 years from now like ice Toyota's,Honda's,Fords,Chevy's etc. That would be my expectation if I shilled out 100 grand on a car if I could afford it.

The Revolution

(822 posts)
51. Consumer Reports
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 12:28 AM
Oct 2024

List of most reliable car brands ranks Tesla as #14 (out of 30 total), with a score of 48/100, so pretty mid range.

I mean they aren't Chrysler at least, but a there are plenty of higher quality cars out there.

Justice matters.

(8,225 posts)
42. I was also not sure about their "breaking" so I didn't paste it in.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:19 PM
Oct 2024

This is a "developing" story though. Leon Loses a lot of potential customers who lean Democratic (inside the US of A) every hour and there are a lot of new (and better) EVs on the market today (and in the coming years).

I get he sells a lot abroad but that will change overtime as competitors will take bites at his market shares.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,983 posts)
94. I'm always skeptical when the only apparent source is an unsourced tweet.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:16 PM
Oct 2024

I went looking for the original source and found the same one you did.

Honestly, we could stand to improve how and when we accept information. If the NYT says something we don't like, we call it a right-wing rag that's manufacturing a horse race with rigged polls. If some random Twitter account posts something we like, we accept it without question even if there's no source behind it.

phylny

(8,719 posts)
17. For years, it was our eldest daughter's dream
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:30 PM
Oct 2024

to buy a Tesla. She saved for several years.

She owns an electric Audi. All due to Musk.

Liberal In Texas

(15,064 posts)
21. I wish he would sell the company. But since he won't
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:33 PM
Oct 2024

there are lots of EVs now compared to just 5 or 6 years ago. Many of them are cheaper than a Tesla and have lots of bells and whistles.

As mentioned, the MachE is a really cool car.

MotownPgh

(437 posts)
46. Teslas are starting to look dated too
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:53 PM
Oct 2024

Really alot of cars look like a tesla. Reminds me of my corolla now

VMA131Marine

(4,919 posts)
27. Musk has learned nothing from the pillow guy.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:43 PM
Oct 2024

There are now lots of electric cars to choose from too.

kimbutgar

(24,673 posts)
29. Recently I encountered people who were giddy they sold their Teslas
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:45 PM
Oct 2024

And 2 were adamant they would never buy a Tesla !

MichMan

(14,686 posts)
31. Tesla outsold Ford 19:1 in EV sales in the first half of 2024
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:53 PM
Oct 2024

19 Tesla sales for every 1 Ford EV.

Ford sold roughly 44,000 vehicles in the first half of 2024. That's a 72% gain over the prior year's first half, which was enough to make it the second-largest EV seller in the U.S. market. It still massively trailed Tesla's top spot, with 831,000 deliveries during that time.


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fords-small-ev-move-could-151400579.html

Justice matters.

(8,225 posts)
33. From the link:
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 10:59 PM
Oct 2024
According to a 2024 survey, Ford found that 89% of shoppers are more likely to purchase if they have home charging. An even steeper 92% of owners find that charging at home is as easy as charging mobile phones.


Good to know for Democratric voters who plan to make the switch away from the loon's foolishness...

roscoeroscoe

(1,710 posts)
35. I saw a Tesla sedan with a bumper sticker that said
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:05 PM
Oct 2024

"Sorry, I bought mine back when we thought he was cool."

Hamlette

(15,555 posts)
40. Musk is in on the con. He and Trump have a plan for funneling tax money to Musk. He doesn't care about his companies.
Mon Oct 21, 2024, 11:16 PM
Oct 2024

Trust_Reality

(2,130 posts)
50. Absolutely
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 12:26 AM
Oct 2024

I cannot believe this country has become to entangles with that one guy. Maybe someone should look for bribes.

usonian

(16,849 posts)
49. Quite simply:
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 12:17 AM
Oct 2024

• People prefer hybrids in a lot of cases. I know a fellow DU'er who did just that.

• You cannot PAY me to own or even use a car that is remotely controllable by ANYONE, let alone a nazi.

Tesla spelled sideways is STEAL
STOP THE STEAL.

Response to Justice matters. (Original post)

NNadir

(35,434 posts)
92. The belief that electric cars are "green" is rather like the belief...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:08 PM
Oct 2024

...that hydrogen is "green."

It would help us greatly if we managed to teach, at least in a simplified form, the laws of thermodynamics in high school.

OMGWTF

(4,631 posts)
55. I am a lifelong Dem who purposely bought a preowned Tesla Model 3 so Eloon didn't get any of my money.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 12:40 AM
Oct 2024

I hate Eloon and you can hate me if you want, but I fking love this car.

Aussie105

(6,928 posts)
60. A permanently tarnished image.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:05 AM
Oct 2024

Couple of years back, Tesla cars were seen as progressive, unique and a hope for the future in terms of renewable and cheaper motive energy.

I imagine a lot of people wanted one, and still do, but are holding off because their current gas powered car is really too good to dump, so yeah I'd say they are thinking . . . some time in the future.

Then Elon started playing silly bugger political games and certain Asian makers said . . . hold my beer, and see what we can do!

Two things that put me off, beyond the above - little motivation locally to put EV chargers in convenient spots - any spots really - and the few Teslas I have seen just look low budget and unfinished. (No idea what models I've seen though.)

Tikki

(14,815 posts)
66. We own an EV...Not a Tesla.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:19 AM
Oct 2024


Ioniq 5 Lots and lots of room inside and great range miles.
We are retired and not many long trips.
Works for us.
The Tikkis

edhopper

(35,682 posts)
85. I had a ride in one at an Autoshow
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:21 AM
Oct 2024

nice ride and very roomy. Tesla does not have a true SUV model, which most buyers want.

 

ZonkerHarris

(25,577 posts)
70. I'm starting to see a number of Rivians on the road around me. Good looking cars as they pass me.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:47 AM
Oct 2024

standingtall

(3,063 posts)
71. Never owned an ev and probably never will especially not a Telsa
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:36 AM
Oct 2024

Musk is such an asshole he's got me rooting for Toyota to have success with their hydrogen combustion engines and I believe if they
are EV's will go away within 10 to 20 years.

SoFlaBro

(3,426 posts)
72. I'll fucking buy a gas guzzler with TWO fucking gas-chugging engines before I would consider buying that fuck ass shit.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:40 AM
Oct 2024

Dem4life1234

(2,530 posts)
77. His big mistake was being political and supporting that orange thug
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 06:40 AM
Oct 2024

Does he not know the thug destroys anything he touches? Look what he did to Ghouliani!

Unwind Your Mind

(2,241 posts)
86. I drove north from San Jose through SF to Sonoma County yesterday
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:32 AM
Oct 2024

I saw one of those cyber trucks, that thing is so ugly and rudely crossed two lanes to turn off right at 19th Avenue

We also saw two Tesla sedans in interesting colors, one a metallic orange/bronze, the other a medium matte green.

I think they’re less prevalent around here than in the past, but still pretty common

Kid Berwyn

(19,729 posts)
87. Fascist to the Core Motors
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:32 AM
Oct 2024

Nikola Tesla, a good man, deserves better -- as does the United States of America.

oregonjen

(3,525 posts)
88. Jason Bateman on his podcast Smartless said that he got rid of his Tesla
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:42 AM
Oct 2024

He felt like he was driving around a Trump sticker. I imagine he isn’t the only one feeling that way.

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