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Couldn't happen to a more deserving idiot propagandist, although it's sad for the workers at his factories.
There are other and better EVs on the market now, Ford's Mustang Mach-E, F150 Lightning are pretty good alternatives.

Initech
(104,434 posts)Flirting with authoritarianism and fascist, tyrannical dictators is a stupid game. One that nether Trump or Musk will win.
chicoescuela
(1,945 posts)all because of Leon Musk. I feel bad for his workforce.
edhopper
(35,728 posts)Toyota, the world's biggest auto maker selling 10x what Tesla does has a P/E of 7.
And since his promises of self driving cars was more bullshit,,that tells me Tesla stock is over priced by 1000%
ProfessorGAC
(72,212 posts)Their market cap is 7x assets. So to me, that's the starting point of the overvaluation.
It's presumably overvalued because of potential. But, the company is over 20 years old & the main market niches have been established. And, competition is increasing.
So, that suggest the potential is overstated as well.
It could be your 10x number, but it's at least 7.
edhopper
(35,728 posts)All depends on how far the Tesla brand falls. Beyond the increase competition, they have had no new models or redesigned models for years, no SUVs, the most popular car type, and a few more of Musk's empty promises could really sink them.
Wednesdays
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Brother Buzz
(38,285 posts)That nimrod, Musk, doesn’t know how to read a room
Lunabell
(7,309 posts)
BaronChocula
(2,628 posts)It's the market, Elon! People don't like you, they don't buy your shit! it's capitalism at work!
Dem4life1234
(2,530 posts)He's stupid and hateful
Zambero
(9,826 posts)As of late, it seems that Musk's mega-funded disinformation campaign has become his life goal.
Demovictory9
(35,187 posts)Racist misogynistic righwing musk
dalton99a
(87,909 posts)former9thward
(33,424 posts)Tesla's sales in the third quarter of 2024 were 462,890 vehicles, a 6.4% increase from the same quarter in 2023. This was the first quarter of 2024 that Tesla saw a rise in quarterly deliveries. The increase was due to strong performance in China and financing deals offered to counter high interest rates.
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/10/02/tesla-sales-up-6-4-in-3rd-quarter-charts-graphs/
Justice matters.
(8,251 posts)those who work abroad (or live abroad).
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Justice matters.
(8,251 posts)he would not have lost them if he did not go full-blown nuts about social media propaganda for the fascists, revealing himself to be one ugly liar and manipulator. He should have stayed out of meddling in politics.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)If I owned a company I would never involve myself in politics.
bearsfootball516
(6,561 posts)He said “Because Republicans buy shoes too”
kcr
(15,522 posts)But your claim that the OP is false is false.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Maybe you have a different definition of the word that myself.
TwilightZone
(28,835 posts)The WSJ article was published in April. The data was from October and November 2023.
The part that is false is that it's breaking news. It's obviously not. It's year-old data.
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/elon-musk-turned-democrats-off-tesla-when-he-needed-them-most-176023af
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SunSeeker
(55,370 posts)Going back to the 1st quarter and 2nd quarter of 2024, Tesla’s year-over-year sales drops were 8.5% and 4.8%, respectively. As your CleanTechnica article goes on to point out, Tesla "will still need a strong 4th quarter in order to log sales growth in 2024." So no, the OP headline is not "false," former9thward. Tesla's sales in 2024 are down. The overall Tesla sales picture that your own CleanTechnica article describes shows Tesla sales look like they are trending down, not up.
And you can't blame it on a marketwide EV sales slowdown. The so called EV sales slowdown is mostly a Tesla sales slowdown, according to sales data. Tesla may be in trouble, but other EVs are selling just fine. Almost every other automaker is seeing double-digit EV sales growth. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/06/ev-sales-slowdown-is-mostly-a-tesla-problem-according-to-sales-data/
Demovictory9
(35,187 posts)I wondered how his politics would impact sales
womanofthehills
(9,610 posts)“The Tesla Cybertruck was the third bestselling EV in the U.S. in the third quarter, defying conventional wisdom. Used prices, meanwhile, are falling as more new Cybertrucks flood the market.
Despite a lavish price tag starting at about $100,000, the Tesla pickup outsold every EV in the U.S. in the third quarter except for the Model Y and Model 3, according to Cox Automotive, which owns Kelley Blue Book.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2024/10/15/tesla-cybertruck-sales-surge-in-q3-as-used-price-crashes/
BannonsLiver
(19,034 posts)🙄😂
dalton99a
(87,909 posts)ramedy
(185 posts)I’m curious to know how you determine that it’s a “shitty” car?
BannonsLiver
(19,034 posts)Case. Closed.
Basically you don’t actually have any real knowledge? You just hate Musk?
I was hoping that you could educate me. Guess not.
BannonsLiver
(19,034 posts)Nobody cares about your silly Tesla.🙄
I thought it a reasonable question.
Have a nice evening.
Abolishinist
(2,379 posts)Disaffected
(5,490 posts)The case isn't closed at all (IMO).
BannonsLiver
(19,034 posts)Nobody cares about your Tesla, bro. Calm down. 🙄
Disaffected
(5,490 posts)Foolish laughing person says......
StocktonNative
(132 posts)..also the repair costs are extremely higher than most other vehicles.
The Mini Cooper has a better interior design that most Teslas.
Jmb 4 Harris-Walz
(1,081 posts)Perhaps now that the vehicles prices have come down, they are making maintenance more expensive.
ramedy
(185 posts)Except maybe for tires. And very little maintenance. I think there are less than 10 moving parts.
It’s completely different than an ICE automobile in many aspects.
Bobstandard
(1,859 posts)When you get a flat Tesla has to change the tire. Seriously. You're stranded when you get a flat. Usually you have to wait until a flatbed tow truck comes to haul you to somewhere safe. Then you wait for a Tesla tech to show up with a tire and the proper tools to change it.
hunter
(39,443 posts)My cars and my computers are salvage.
I don't want to encourage certain industries with my dollars.
The only "new" computer I've bought this last decade was a Raspberry Pi 4.
The last and only time I'll ever buy a new car was when I was young and foolish, back in the 'eighties.
Zorro
(17,149 posts)Those who say such things either don't own one or can't afford one.
RidinWithHarris
(790 posts)I definitely wanted one before Musk made it so public what an asshole he is.
As for the Cybertruck, from what I've heard it's fair to call that particular monstrosity a shitty car.
standingtall
(3,064 posts)but youtube is full of of Telsa Cyber truck owners talking about how shitty they are? Maybe their just making it up for views. I believe if you buy a brand new car and don't have any problems for 5 years that doesn't mean it's a good car it's just means it's new. Tesla's have only been around sense 2011. Let's see how many Tesla's are still on the road 20,30 and even 40 years from now like ice Toyota's,Honda's,Fords,Chevy's etc. That would be my expectation if I shilled out 100 grand on a car if I could afford it.
The Revolution
(823 posts)List of most reliable car brands ranks Tesla as #14 (out of 30 total), with a score of 48/100, so pretty mid range.
I mean they aren't Chrysler at least, but a there are plenty of higher quality cars out there.
Aristus
(69,561 posts)Another ‘genius businessman’ who ain’t…
TwilightZone
(28,835 posts)The data was from October and November 2023.
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/elon-musk-turned-democrats-off-tesla-when-he-needed-them-most-176023af
Paywall bypass: https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/elon-musk-turned-democrats-off-tesla-when-he-needed-them-most-176023af
Not sure why that channel is claiming that it's breaking news. It's not. It's year-old data from a six-month-old report.
Justice matters.
(8,251 posts)This is a "developing" story though. Leon Loses a lot of potential customers who lean Democratic (inside the US of A) every hour and there are a lot of new (and better) EVs on the market today (and in the coming years).
I get he sells a lot abroad but that will change overtime as competitors will take bites at his market shares.
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,983 posts)I went looking for the original source and found the same one you did.
Honestly, we could stand to improve how and when we accept information. If the NYT says something we don't like, we call it a right-wing rag that's manufacturing a horse race with rigged polls. If some random Twitter account posts something we like, we accept it without question even if there's no source behind it.
phylny
(8,720 posts)to buy a Tesla. She saved for several years.
She owns an electric Audi. All due to Musk.
Liberal In Texas
(15,075 posts)there are lots of EVs now compared to just 5 or 6 years ago. Many of them are cheaper than a Tesla and have lots of bells and whistles.
As mentioned, the MachE is a really cool car.
MotownPgh
(437 posts)Really alot of cars look like a tesla. Reminds me of my corolla now
VMA131Marine
(4,934 posts)There are now lots of electric cars to choose from too.
underpants
(189,807 posts)I have 10 or so I see regularly
kimbutgar
(24,736 posts)And 2 were adamant they would never buy a Tesla !
MichMan
(14,740 posts)19 Tesla sales for every 1 Ford EV.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fords-small-ev-move-could-151400579.html
Justice matters.
(8,251 posts)Good to know for Democratric voters who plan to make the switch away from the loon's foolishness...
roscoeroscoe
(1,714 posts)"Sorry, I bought mine back when we thought he was cool."
Hamlette
(15,555 posts)Renew Deal
(83,742 posts)Trust_Reality
(2,137 posts)I cannot believe this country has become to entangles with that one guy. Maybe someone should look for bribes.
Joinfortmill
(17,730 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(11,157 posts)usonian
(16,928 posts)• People prefer hybrids in a lot of cases. I know a fellow DU'er who did just that.
• You cannot PAY me to own or even use a car that is remotely controllable by ANYONE, let alone a nazi.
Tesla spelled sideways is STEAL
STOP THE STEAL.
aggiesal
(9,911 posts)keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)Response to Justice matters. (Original post)
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NNadir
(35,487 posts)...that hydrogen is "green."
It would help us greatly if we managed to teach, at least in a simplified form, the laws of thermodynamics in high school.
jfz9580m
(15,589 posts)OMGWTF
(4,639 posts)I hate Eloon and you can hate me if you want, but I fking love this car.
spooky3
(37,303 posts)Aussie105
(6,942 posts)Couple of years back, Tesla cars were seen as progressive, unique and a hope for the future in terms of renewable and cheaper motive energy.
I imagine a lot of people wanted one, and still do, but are holding off because their current gas powered car is really too good to dump, so yeah I'd say they are thinking . . . some time in the future.
Then Elon started playing silly bugger political games and certain Asian makers said . . . hold my beer, and see what we can do!
Two things that put me off, beyond the above - little motivation locally to put EV chargers in convenient spots - any spots really - and the few Teslas I have seen just look low budget and unfinished. (No idea what models I've seen though.)
SunSeeker
(55,370 posts)Cha
(309,420 posts)SunSeeker
(55,370 posts)Cha
(309,420 posts)Mahalo, SunSeeker!
💙
Tikki
(14,816 posts)
Ioniq 5 Lots and lots of room inside and great range miles.
We are retired and not many long trips.
Works for us.
The Tikkis
get the red out
(13,705 posts)Which definitely means it's not a Tesla!
edhopper
(35,728 posts)nice ride and very roomy. Tesla does not have a true SUV model, which most buyers want.
Blue Owl
(55,838 posts)Including “Twitter”
Voltaire2
(15,366 posts)ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)standingtall
(3,064 posts)Musk is such an asshole he's got me rooting for Toyota to have success with their hydrogen combustion engines and I believe if they
are EV's will go away within 10 to 20 years.
SoFlaBro
(3,426 posts)MistakenLamb
(790 posts)Dem4life1234
(2,530 posts)Does he not know the thug destroys anything he touches? Look what he did to Ghouliani!
doc03
(37,651 posts)for Tesla.
dalton99a
(87,909 posts)There are better options
Unwind Your Mind
(2,244 posts)I saw one of those cyber trucks, that thing is so ugly and rudely crossed two lanes to turn off right at 19th Avenue
We also saw two Tesla sedans in interesting colors, one a metallic orange/bronze, the other a medium matte green.
I think they’re less prevalent around here than in the past, but still pretty common
Kid Berwyn
(19,823 posts)Nikola Tesla, a good man, deserves better -- as does the United States of America.
oregonjen
(3,525 posts)He felt like he was driving around a Trump sticker. I imagine he isn’t the only one feeling that way.