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Deuxcents

(26,917 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:05 PM Oct 2024

Is Elon Musk running for president ?

He’s got more plans for the country than TSF and is putting them out there. He’s talking about his DOGE agency..Department of Government Efficiency, a generous retirement package for government employees who will be replaced with loyalists. He’s talking about cuts to government programs and reducing wasteful spending and implementing a new Secretary of Cost Cutting. He’s got lots of ideas.
Is this a new campaign tactic for a sluggish campaign?

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Is Elon Musk running for president ? (Original Post) Deuxcents Oct 2024 OP
seems he's moving towards that route & setting himself up. I don't doubt it. onetexan Oct 2024 #1
He can't. He is not a natural born US Citizen Darwins_Retriever Oct 2024 #2
Indeed. However, he CAN be the man standing next to POTUS whispering in his ear which could effectively put him Jmb 4 Harris-Walz Oct 2024 #21
That would require a Constitutional Amendment PJMcK Oct 2024 #3
The ERA is now fully ratified LearnedHand Oct 2024 #6
No it is not. There is no "just requires" any one single thing Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2024 #15
Thanks LearnedHand Oct 2024 #19
Welcome. I had to look it up. The technical issues & the RW Authoritarian shift of a few states complicates things. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2024 #20
Of course, you're correct PJMcK Oct 2024 #16
Probably not. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #24
The 27th Amendment was ratified in 1992. Although it was initially proposed with the Bill of Rights, rsdsharp Oct 2024 #28
He is prohibited by the constitution LearnedHand Oct 2024 #4
He's also not a very good communicator... WarGamer Oct 2024 #5
Musk has the money but not time to buy enough legislators and judges dalton99a Oct 2024 #7
The U S of A will now be X lame54 Oct 2024 #8
Hmmm..maybe I should have posted "shadow president" Deuxcents Oct 2024 #9
No, he is a hands on puppet master Johonny Oct 2024 #10
Wasn't he born and raised in South Africa? I think I read that somewhere. OLDMDDEM Oct 2024 #11
He's as unlikable as Vance, Maybe more cuz he's got the arrogant billionaire thing going on. CrispyQ Oct 2024 #12
Leon is a pump handle for Putin. gab13by13 Oct 2024 #13
Running for POTUS? No, he is not US born so he can't. He is running for puppet master and desperate loneliness Attilatheblond Oct 2024 #14
Musk is not eligible as he is foreign born LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2024 #17
He's got lots of apartheid ideas, too Deuxcents Oct 2024 #18
Musk is a racist asshole LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2024 #25
Musk's USA Inc & Group America LLC? MartyTheGreek Oct 2024 #22
It's Dystopian Tech Bro land. haele Oct 2024 #30
Sounds like a Techno Mad Max... MartyTheGreek Oct 2024 #31
Deport him Blue Full Moon Oct 2024 #23
He intends to reinvent the gov't so that it only serves pillagers and parasites... polichick Oct 2024 #26
I'm afraid you are right Deuxcents Oct 2024 #27
IMO, sort of cyclonefence Oct 2024 #29
This video effectively reveals his plan to be co-President if Trump wins Wiz Imp Oct 2024 #32

Darwins_Retriever

(949 posts)
2. He can't. He is not a natural born US Citizen
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:08 PM
Oct 2024

The president must be a natural born citizen of the US. He is South African by birth.

Jmb 4 Harris-Walz

(1,117 posts)
21. Indeed. However, he CAN be the man standing next to POTUS whispering in his ear which could effectively put him
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:42 PM
Oct 2024

in a very influential position within the US Government. It’s as close to the Presidency a foreign born American citizen can get. Putin would have influence as well.

Politics in the U.S. is in desperate need of some major reforms to ensure our country can insulate itself from attacks to its core. Hopefully, the Harris/Walz Administration will be up to the task.

PJMcK

(25,048 posts)
3. That would require a Constitutional Amendment
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:09 PM
Oct 2024

Given how divided the country is, I wouldn't count on it. After all, in 250 years, it's been amended only 27 times and one of those was to undo a previous amendment. The last attempt was the Equal Rights Amendment which couldn't be ratified by enough states thanks to Republican misogyny and racism.

Musk is not a natural born American and is therefore disqualified from running for president.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
15. No it is not. There is no "just requires" any one single thing
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:29 PM
Oct 2024

Five states have voted to rescind their ratifications. There would be contentious litigation over this.

Deadlines have passed. There would be contentious litigation over this.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
20. Welcome. I had to look it up. The technical issues & the RW Authoritarian shift of a few states complicates things. nt
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:41 PM
Oct 2024

PJMcK

(25,048 posts)
16. Of course, you're correct
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:32 PM
Oct 2024

Let's see if the next Congress, hopefully with Speaker Jefferies, will get it done.

My point was that the ERA was the last Constitutional Amendment to even get a chance for ratification. It was passed in 1972! That's 52 years ago and it still hasn't been enacted.

At that rate, Elon Musk would be about 105 years old by the time the necessary amendment would be enacted.

Musk must never be near the levers of power of the U.S. government. He is far more dangerous than Trump even though he's nearly as much of a fraud.

Hopefully, President Harris will be able to continue President Biden's efforts to right our ship of state.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
24. Probably not.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:11 PM
Oct 2024

Several states rescinded their approval. Even if we ignore that or consider them invalid for sake of argument*, the required number of states wasn't met until well after the deadline, which had been previously extended. Congress would have to lift the deadline, and there's no precedent or existing provision to do so. A resolution was submitted in 2019 to change it, but it stalled in the Senate.**

The Brennan Center has a good article about the ERA, its history, the issues surrounding it, and the legal challenges:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/equal-rights-amendment-explained

* In 1980, a federal district court in Idaho ruled that the state’s rescission of the ERA was valid.

** https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/6

rsdsharp

(12,002 posts)
28. The 27th Amendment was ratified in 1992. Although it was initially proposed with the Bill of Rights,
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:45 PM
Oct 2024

It failed to be ratified. The attempt to ratify it was revived in 1982, and it was eventually ratified 10 years later. So, depending on how you look at it, the 27th Amendment could be more recent than the proposed ERA. Or it could have been ratified more than 200 years after Congress proposed it.

LearnedHand

(5,500 posts)
4. He is prohibited by the constitution
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:09 PM
Oct 2024

He's a foreign born, naturalized citizen. Completely ineligible for the presidency.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
5. He's also not a very good communicator...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:10 PM
Oct 2024

Even if he were eligible, I'm not sure he'd be successful.

He CAN be Governor of Texas, though.

Johonny

(26,178 posts)
10. No, he is a hands on puppet master
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:15 PM
Oct 2024

He wants to be America's CEO. He has no ability to do politics. Which Trump also showed zero ability for. Trump can rubber stamp something from Congress or tear up treaties, but he did just about nothing legislative wise. Musk is more of the same. He has no experience other than being a haphazard dictator to his employees.

CrispyQ

(40,969 posts)
12. He's as unlikable as Vance, Maybe more cuz he's got the arrogant billionaire thing going on.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:19 PM
Oct 2024

He also looks weird. There are not many complimentary photos of him.

It's amazing how Trump attracts the best people, isn't it?

gab13by13

(32,322 posts)
13. Leon is a pump handle for Putin.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:24 PM
Oct 2024

TSF isn't the only person to talk with Putin on the phone. After Leon had his conversation he posted Putin's Ukraine peace plan on X.

Attilatheblond

(8,878 posts)
14. Running for POTUS? No, he is not US born so he can't. He is running for puppet master and desperate loneliness
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:26 PM
Oct 2024

He is using Trump as the ring master to get attention for the circus that is Ego driven Elon.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
17. Musk is not eligible as he is foreign born
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:33 PM
Oct 2024

Musk is trying to buy control of the White House. If TFG is re-elected, Musk will be calling the shots

MartyTheGreek

(732 posts)
22. Musk's USA Inc & Group America LLC?
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 01:54 PM
Oct 2024

Is this the tell? Musk set these businesses entities up earlier this month. Is this where Corp.Gov will keep the new Treasury? He did yell a couple weeks ago that the US was going bankrupt. Rocket man is basking in the Tecbro sea of adoration after his return rocket grab!

What does he really want with DJT? More Space contracts? A piece of that UAP tech if some of it is ours?

If USA Inc., is anything like his Twitter takeover and remodel, we’re in for a ride!

haele

(15,402 posts)
30. It's Dystopian Tech Bro land.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:38 PM
Oct 2024

Last edited Tue Oct 22, 2024, 05:19 PM - Edit history (1)

Department of Treasury - Move all currency to Bitcoin, specifically his Dogecoin and maybe a few others.
Departments of Health and Human Services, Social Security and the VA - Require the population using HHS, SS, or VA to "plug" into a Neurolink based system to monitor their physical and mental status; "balance" their access to benefits and care according to a criteria that "saves taxpayer money" while delivering the care the ruling class deems to be the minimum for quality of life.
Department of Defense and Justice, Homeland Security - instead of HUMINT and the large amount of lower level field workforce needed to do the actual work, use AI and autonomous robot or android style "human alternatives", and only hire people to service or "manage" this tech that doesn't get tired or emotionally stressed, nor does it need to get paid, take care of family, or any sort of fulfillment outside of maintenance or doing it's job as programmed.
Heck, all the departments can get rid of most of their employees. AI and automation can do everything normal people can do and not complain, get sick, get old, or screw up. And systems can be replaced or tossed when they get damaged or obsolete.
It'll be a highly efficient Tech Bro paradise. Sure, the co-ruling Christian Nationalist/Opus Dei elites might be problematic to people like Ackman, Musk and Theil, but money will eventually win them over, right?

Ya, they read the science fiction books, but through an Ayn Rand lens, so they got a message the writers didn't intend - they all think they're smarter than the villain/antagonists in those books.

Haele

MartyTheGreek

(732 posts)
31. Sounds like a Techno Mad Max...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 04:47 PM
Oct 2024

…meets HAL 9000.

The campaign needs to tell the public how this billionaire texhnoclass is harming democracy. How they’re wasting billions thrown away that could have funded a public good. Must spent $75 million on Trump thus far! $45 Billion on the Twitter takeover now only valued at $9 Bil and all he did was gave space for a MAGA bullhorn and echo chamber pumping out propaganda!

polichick

(37,626 posts)
26. He intends to reinvent the gov't so that it only serves pillagers and parasites...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:26 PM
Oct 2024

like him. He’ll be put in place by Trump, but after that Trump will be irrelevant.

cyclonefence

(5,151 posts)
29. IMO, sort of
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:14 PM
Oct 2024

I think he envisions JDV and himself running the show, either after they've booted Trump, or even while Trump is in office (should the unthinkable happen). Trump loves parts of being president, like making money through foreign contacts and being a big shot, but I think Vance and Musk could easily get him to let them do the actual nuts-and-bolts running of the country. IOW a nightmare.

Wiz Imp

(9,996 posts)
32. This video effectively reveals his plan to be co-President if Trump wins
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 06:09 PM
Oct 2024
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1844504219950383204.html

The father of Earth's Richest Man—who also happens to be a virulently racist South African going around intimating he'll be co-POTUS under Trump—has revealed his son wants America to be more like apartheid South Africa. Click link above to watch video
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