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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe race is this close because our gov't has failed the people for decades
Failed to maintain laws prohibiting Fox and other news outlets from lying.
Failed to update the system - electoral college, gerrymandering, reliance on norms.
Failed to hold high-level politicians and judges accountable - justice delayed is justice denied, and encourages more criminality.
Failed to clean out the agencies after a traitor and coup leader defiled them.
Our govt has done more to serve pillagers (corporations, govt contractors, polluters) and parasites (tax evaders) than it has the people in decades.
Theres so much work to do!
Suggested Democratic slogan: People and Planet over Pillagers and Parasites
RockRaven
(19,755 posts)Where does this failing government come from, after all?
marybourg
(13,659 posts)THE CONSTITUTION.
polichick
(37,626 posts)And both have failed in the above-referenced ways.
The people want to believe their votes will lead to needed change, but the pillagers and parasites are more persuasive.
Hopefully, Harris has the guts and the will to go against the grain!
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)wnylib
(26,467 posts)where they can form coalition governments. Not very viable in our system.
Even in Germany, with a coalition government, Hitler was able to take control.
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)1st law of Bartcop:
If a mistake causes a profit for the guy who made the mistake, count on them making the same mistake at every opportunity.
WarGamer
(18,863 posts)If Democrats had the political power to change the EC or gerrymandering... they would.
walkingman
(11,162 posts)we are no longer living in the 18th century and it is time to make some changes in our constitution before this Democracy is gone.
Even if we like to distort American history, world history tells us this cannot last unless we make some fundamental changes.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)The Constitution is almost impossible to change in the modern world.
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GP6971
(38,406 posts)MineralMan
(151,563 posts)FSogol
(47,665 posts)So long.
polichick
(37,626 posts)Surely nobody here would argue with this:
When capital controls government, government is no more than a tool used by elites to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else.
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)It's an anti-Democratic Party screed.
Do you believe that the Democratic Party is as bad as or worse than the Republican Party? Because that's literally what it's saying.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)polichick
(37,626 posts)of both parties that protects the wealthy and corporations and gets in the way of liberty and justice for all - as well as health for the planet.
Theres a reason that the failures listed in the op keep happening.
Harris has the intelligence and background to tackle some taboo practices - hoping thats what she has in mind.
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)The assertion that both parties pursue the same agenda and are therefore equivalent is laughably ridiculous and remarkably short-sighted.
polichick
(37,626 posts)TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)You are asserting that Democrats have done nothing to address any of the issues in your OP.
That assertion tests the bounds of ignorance.
mahatmakanejeeves
(70,762 posts)BannonsLiver
(20,859 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(24,098 posts)Like Whitmer in MI, Walz in MN, and elsewhere, all it takes is unobstructed progressive governance with tangible results that benefit the people to bring back the trust in government that is lacking currently.
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)The Biden Administration has accomplished a great deal and also gives us a glimpse of what would be possible without constant obstruction. If we could get President Harris an amenable Congress, the sky's the limit.
The claims that both sides have the same agenda and are therefore equivalent are laughable.
Johnny2X2X
(24,438 posts)Republicans prevented the government from maintaining laws prohibiting Fox and other news outlets from lying.
Republicans prevented the government from updating the system - electoral college, gerrymandering, reliance on norms.
Republicans prevented the government from holding high-level politicians and judges accountable - justice delayed is justice denied, and encourages more criminality.
Republicans prevented the government from cleaning out the agencies after a traitor and coup leader defiled them.
Democrats pursued all of these things with vigor, Republicans stopped them.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)When and where in Congress has that bill been introduced and pursued with vigor?
maxsolomon
(39,138 posts)I hear this type of rhetoric in the self-defeating "Democrats have failed the Black Community" arguments.
The sad fact is that our Govt is DEEPLY DIVIDED, and that's why it fails to address insurmountable tasks.
It's not "failing the people" on most counts. The mail still gets delivered (yes, it does); SS checks go out every month. We have freaking F35s.
It's the worst govt on Earth, except for all the others.
BannonsLiver
(20,859 posts)TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)The assertion that Democrats have done nothing to address any of the issues in the OP is laughable.
DoBW
(3,330 posts)or divided scotus
hawkeye21
(313 posts)I mean it's as stark a choice as there ever was. A competent, professional, empathetic ticket that wants to improve democracy or a ticket led by two of the biggest piles of scum in the history of the Milky Way Galaxy who want to destroy democracy and turn the USA into the world's leading dictatorship.
There is simply NO excuse for being taken in by a Trump-led cult. None. Period.
And the very thought that this could even be close literally makes my heart hurt. It's so unfair. It's so dangerous. It's so impossible.
I lived under apartheid in South Africa back in the day. You could be jailed for speaking the name "Nelson Mandela," and some people were. I visited East Germany before the wall came down. I had my papers checked by East German soldiers. You can't imagine that feeling. You have to experience it. I never want to feel it again. So I have a personal sense of what dictatorships look like and what they feel like. And it's sickening to know how close we are to that right now.
polichick
(37,626 posts)that led to putting the people, the country, the community of nations and the planet in this dangerous situation.
Fact: the most powerful government on earth has failed to protect its people from one tyrant.
The question of why is easily answered - wealthy powerful players did not want to hold a traitor accountable. Why didnt they? Because they see him as a path to more money and power.
Its not complicated - just absolutely disgusting.
Dave says
(5,468 posts)We just have to do it again and again (as new would-be tyrants emerge from the right).
polichick
(37,626 posts)People have been imprisoned for stealing a few pages of govtt documents, without selling the info. The U.S. govt has allowed a man with close ties to foreign countries who led a coup to run for president again. Its beyond disgusting that we - and our allies - have been put in this position.
verargert
(142 posts)We've done pretty good over the last 250+ years.
Just need to clean up the mess and keep going.
No one ever said life was easy.
Emile
(43,279 posts)polichick
(37,626 posts)with the same speed as he did low-level expendable Americans.
Would Trump ever have been charged without the very public findings of the Jan. 6th Committee?
Its the kind of thing that citizens should question - we have a republic if we can keep it.
Another example of high-level bipartisan agreement to protect entrenched interests is the seating of Joe Manchin (who has long been involved in coal brokerage) as Chairman of the Energy Committee - in a Senate led by Democrats.
mahatmakanejeeves
(70,762 posts)Just curious, what mechanism do you propose for accomplishing that?
And good afternoon.
Dave says
(5,468 posts)Reenact the Fairness Doctrine, improved to clearly cover all media space - owned by the people of the United States - that is granted private players via licensing and protected norms. That would be a start.
On edit: I assume we are aware that Fox News was born and flourished in the unprotected commons after the Fairness Doctrine and anti-attack norms were removed by the Reagan-Bush administrations? The FD is not enough, but its a start. But as Piketty suggests, it will take generations to dismantle the concentration of wealth that was enabled by this first step toward tyranny.
mahatmakanejeeves
(70,762 posts)Good afternoon to you too.
LexVegas
(6,962 posts)
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