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polichick

(37,626 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:08 PM Oct 2024

The race is this close because our gov't has failed the people for decades

Failed to maintain laws prohibiting Fox and other news outlets from lying.

Failed to update the system - electoral college, gerrymandering, reliance on norms.

Failed to hold high-level politicians and judges accountable - justice delayed is justice denied, and encourages more criminality.

Failed to clean out the agencies after a traitor and coup leader defiled them.

‘Our’ gov’t has done more to serve pillagers (corporations, gov’t contractors, polluters) and parasites (tax evaders) than it has the people in decades.

There’s so much work to do!
Suggested Democratic slogan: People and Planet over Pillagers and Parasites

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The race is this close because our gov't has failed the people for decades (Original Post) polichick Oct 2024 OP
Our people have failed the people for decades. RockRaven Oct 2024 #1
Based on the OP's complaints, the "failures" come from marybourg Oct 2024 #2
The system is so rigged that the people get only two viable parties... polichick Oct 2024 #4
Please do tell how the Democratic Party is a failure AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2024 #5
Multi party elections work in parliamentary governmental systems wnylib Oct 2024 #41
Unbridled capitalism is responsible for the persistence of these problems. jaxexpat Oct 2024 #6
Most of your items are failure of the voting electorate. WarGamer Oct 2024 #3
Your points highlight something that most Americans will not admit - walkingman Oct 2024 #7
The question is how? former9thward Oct 2024 #37
Post removed Post removed Oct 2024 #8
Well Hi!! Welcome to DU...I guess. GP6971 Oct 2024 #9
Bye, then... MineralMan Oct 2024 #10
When you look at the 2 parties in the country, it is ridiculous to say the problem is the Democrats. FSogol Oct 2024 #11
Some uncomfortable truths here... polichick Oct 2024 #12
You might want to read the rest of it. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #14
Oh, they said as much upthread... AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2024 #15
I believe that there is a relationship between the 'establishment'... polichick Oct 2024 #18
So, yes, you think they're equivalent. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #22
Read more carefully. polichick Oct 2024 #23
Oh, I can read just fine. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #25
Source for that quote: mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2024 #30
Enjoy your pizza, Chud. BannonsLiver Oct 2024 #13
all it will take is four years of unobstructed, unhesitating, fearless progressive governance to convince the people Fiendish Thingy Oct 2024 #16
The difference between the last two administrations is stark. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #21
Republicans, not government to blame Johnny2X2X Oct 2024 #17
When has anyone tried to stop Fox from lying? former9thward Oct 2024 #39
I really dislike this narrative. maxsolomon Oct 2024 #19
+1. It's the same argument most dead enders make. BannonsLiver Oct 2024 #20
It's typical "both sides are bad" nonsense. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #26
i'm guessing "the our govt thing" means Reagan repubs and that ilk DoBW Oct 2024 #24
Sure, but look at history: People are usually upset with the government, but nothing like this has ever happened hawkeye21 Oct 2024 #27
Right, there is no excuse - a lot of balls were dropped... polichick Oct 2024 #28
We did vote the tyrant out in 2020 Dave says Oct 2024 #32
We have to do it again because he was given a pass by the powers-that-be... polichick Oct 2024 #38
An uneducated, apathetic crowd of people make up the United States of North America. verargert Oct 2024 #29
I blame Garland for not acting sooner Emile Oct 2024 #31
Yes - there's no excuse for not scooping up high-level coup players... polichick Oct 2024 #40
"Failed to maintain laws prohibiting Fox and other news outlets from lying." mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2024 #33
Protect the Commons Dave says Oct 2024 #34
I know what's coming. I'll wait. mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2024 #36
This is a clever way to shit on Democratic administrations. nt LexVegas Oct 2024 #35

RockRaven

(19,755 posts)
1. Our people have failed the people for decades.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:10 PM
Oct 2024

Where does this failing government come from, after all?

polichick

(37,626 posts)
4. The system is so rigged that the people get only two viable parties...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:17 PM
Oct 2024

And both have failed in the above-referenced ways.

The people want to believe their votes will lead to needed change, but the pillagers and parasites are more persuasive.

Hopefully, Harris has the guts and the will to go against the grain!

wnylib

(26,467 posts)
41. Multi party elections work in parliamentary governmental systems
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 05:12 PM
Oct 2024

where they can form coalition governments. Not very viable in our system.

Even in Germany, with a coalition government, Hitler was able to take control.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
6. Unbridled capitalism is responsible for the persistence of these problems.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:19 PM
Oct 2024

1st law of Bartcop:
If a mistake causes a profit for the guy who made the mistake, count on them making the same mistake at every opportunity.

WarGamer

(18,863 posts)
3. Most of your items are failure of the voting electorate.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:13 PM
Oct 2024

If Democrats had the political power to change the EC or gerrymandering... they would.

walkingman

(11,162 posts)
7. Your points highlight something that most Americans will not admit -
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:21 PM
Oct 2024

we are no longer living in the 18th century and it is time to make some changes in our constitution before this Democracy is gone.

Even if we like to distort American history, world history tells us this cannot last unless we make some fundamental changes.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
37. The question is how?
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 04:53 PM
Oct 2024

The Constitution is almost impossible to change in the modern world.

Response to polichick (Original post)

FSogol

(47,665 posts)
11. When you look at the 2 parties in the country, it is ridiculous to say the problem is the Democrats.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:46 PM
Oct 2024

So long.

polichick

(37,626 posts)
12. Some uncomfortable truths here...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:46 PM
Oct 2024

Surely nobody here would argue with this:

“When capital controls government, government is no more than a tool used by elites to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else.”

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
14. You might want to read the rest of it.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:51 PM
Oct 2024

It's an anti-Democratic Party screed.

Do you believe that the Democratic Party is as bad as or worse than the Republican Party? Because that's literally what it's saying.

polichick

(37,626 posts)
18. I believe that there is a relationship between the 'establishment'...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:01 PM
Oct 2024

of both parties that protects the wealthy and corporations and gets in the way of “liberty and justice for all” - as well as health for the planet.

There’s a reason that the ‘failures’ listed in the op keep happening.

Harris has the intelligence and background to tackle some taboo practices - hoping that’s what she has in mind.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
22. So, yes, you think they're equivalent.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:08 PM
Oct 2024

The assertion that both parties pursue the same agenda and are therefore equivalent is laughably ridiculous and remarkably short-sighted.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
25. Oh, I can read just fine.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:17 PM
Oct 2024

You are asserting that Democrats have done nothing to address any of the issues in your OP.

That assertion tests the bounds of ignorance.

Fiendish Thingy

(24,098 posts)
16. all it will take is four years of unobstructed, unhesitating, fearless progressive governance to convince the people
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:56 PM
Oct 2024

Like Whitmer in MI, Walz in MN, and elsewhere, all it takes is unobstructed progressive governance with tangible results that benefit the people to bring back the trust in government that is lacking currently.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
21. The difference between the last two administrations is stark.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:04 PM
Oct 2024

The Biden Administration has accomplished a great deal and also gives us a glimpse of what would be possible without constant obstruction. If we could get President Harris an amenable Congress, the sky's the limit.

The claims that both sides have the same agenda and are therefore equivalent are laughable.

Johnny2X2X

(24,438 posts)
17. Republicans, not government to blame
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 02:59 PM
Oct 2024

Republicans prevented the government from maintaining laws prohibiting Fox and other news outlets from lying.

Republicans prevented the government from updating the system - electoral college, gerrymandering, reliance on norms.

Republicans prevented the government from holding high-level politicians and judges accountable - justice delayed is justice denied, and encourages more criminality.

Republicans prevented the government from cleaning out the agencies after a traitor and coup leader defiled them.

Democrats pursued all of these things with vigor, Republicans stopped them.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
39. When has anyone tried to stop Fox from lying?
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 04:56 PM
Oct 2024

When and where in Congress has that bill been introduced and pursued with vigor?

maxsolomon

(39,138 posts)
19. I really dislike this narrative.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:01 PM
Oct 2024

I hear this type of rhetoric in the self-defeating "Democrats have failed the Black Community" arguments.

The sad fact is that our Govt is DEEPLY DIVIDED, and that's why it fails to address insurmountable tasks.

It's not "failing the people" on most counts. The mail still gets delivered (yes, it does); SS checks go out every month. We have freaking F35s.

It's the worst govt on Earth, except for all the others.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
26. It's typical "both sides are bad" nonsense.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:18 PM
Oct 2024

The assertion that Democrats have done nothing to address any of the issues in the OP is laughable.

hawkeye21

(313 posts)
27. Sure, but look at history: People are usually upset with the government, but nothing like this has ever happened
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:24 PM
Oct 2024

I mean it's as stark a choice as there ever was. A competent, professional, empathetic ticket that wants to improve democracy or a ticket led by two of the biggest piles of scum in the history of the Milky Way Galaxy who want to destroy democracy and turn the USA into the world's leading dictatorship.

There is simply NO excuse for being taken in by a Trump-led cult. None. Period.

And the very thought that this could even be close literally makes my heart hurt. It's so unfair. It's so dangerous. It's so impossible.

I lived under apartheid in South Africa back in the day. You could be jailed for speaking the name "Nelson Mandela," and some people were. I visited East Germany before the wall came down. I had my papers checked by East German soldiers. You can't imagine that feeling. You have to experience it. I never want to feel it again. So I have a personal sense of what dictatorships look like and what they feel like. And it's sickening to know how close we are to that right now.

polichick

(37,626 posts)
28. Right, there is no excuse - a lot of balls were dropped...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 03:33 PM
Oct 2024

that led to putting the people, the country, the community of nations and the planet in this dangerous situation.

Fact: the most powerful government on earth has failed to protect its people from one tyrant.

The question of why is easily answered - wealthy powerful players did not want to hold a traitor accountable. Why didn’t they? Because they see him as a path to more money and power.

It’s not complicated - just absolutely disgusting.

Dave says

(5,468 posts)
32. We did vote the tyrant out in 2020
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 04:39 PM
Oct 2024

We just have to do it again and again (as new would-be tyrants emerge from the right).

polichick

(37,626 posts)
38. We have to do it again because he was given a pass by the powers-that-be...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 04:55 PM
Oct 2024

People have been imprisoned for stealing a few pages of govt’t documents, without selling the info. The U.S. gov’t has allowed a man with close ties to foreign countries who led a coup to run for president again. It’s beyond disgusting that we - and our allies - have been put in this position.

verargert

(142 posts)
29. An uneducated, apathetic crowd of people make up the United States of North America.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 04:26 PM
Oct 2024

We've done pretty good over the last 250+ years.
Just need to clean up the mess and keep going.

No one ever said life was easy.

polichick

(37,626 posts)
40. Yes - there's no excuse for not scooping up high-level coup players...
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 05:04 PM
Oct 2024

with the same speed as he did low-level expendable Americans.

Would Trump ever have been charged without the very public findings of the Jan. 6th Committee?

It’s the kind of thing that citizens should question - we have a republic if we can keep it.

Another example of high-level bipartisan ‘agreement’ to protect entrenched interests is the seating of Joe Manchin (who has long been involved in coal brokerage) as Chairman of the Energy Committee - in a Senate led by Democrats.

mahatmakanejeeves

(70,762 posts)
33. "Failed to maintain laws prohibiting Fox and other news outlets from lying."
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 04:39 PM
Oct 2024
Failed to maintain laws prohibiting Fox and other news outlets from lying.

Just curious, what mechanism do you propose for accomplishing that?

And good afternoon.

Dave says

(5,468 posts)
34. Protect the Commons
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 04:43 PM
Oct 2024

Reenact the Fairness Doctrine, improved to clearly cover all media space - owned by the people of the United States - that is granted private players via licensing and protected norms. That would be a start.

On edit: I assume we are aware that Fox News was born and flourished in the unprotected commons after the Fairness Doctrine and anti-attack norms were removed by the Reagan-Bush administrations? The FD is not enough, but it’s a start. But as Piketty suggests, it will take generations to dismantle the concentration of wealth that was enabled by this first step toward tyranny.

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