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highplainsdem

(62,143 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:46 PM Oct 2024

Tom Nichols on MAGA: They *like* that he's awful. This is the part that many other Americans can't grasp. The MAGA folks

support Trump *because* he's horrible, not in spite of it.



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Tom Nichols on MAGA: They *like* that he's awful. This is the part that many other Americans can't grasp. The MAGA folks (Original Post) highplainsdem Oct 2024 OP
Exactly. Turbineguy Oct 2024 #1
I've been saying it for a long time. He could use the N word from the podium and they would cheer. Ferrets are Cool Oct 2024 #2
Yes, Indeed, Many of Us Have Trouble Dealing With That Embrace of Horrible. Awful Lack of Proper Personhood The Roux Comes First Oct 2024 #3
Yup. He's nothing without them allowing it onecaliberal Oct 2024 #4
So, Tom, was Hillary correct when she called many of them deplorables? spooky3 Oct 2024 #5
YES HE DOES! Hillary was RIGHT. calimary Oct 2024 #16
'Deplorable' was putting it mildly. B.See Oct 2024 #17
Deplorable DemonGoddess Oct 2024 #32
Of course, they like that Trump is awful. Septua Oct 2024 #6
I work with two magats. Ugh. happybird Oct 2024 #7
Lol! ecstatic Oct 2024 #25
He's everything that people loved about Hitler. There seems to be more of them than I thought. Silent Type Oct 2024 #8
In some way, the MAGA are worse Metaphorical Oct 2024 #21
"Nothing you say will change my mind." czarjak Oct 2024 #9
Frightening ailsagirl Oct 2024 #13
It's been obvious for quite some time actually. Arthur_Frain Oct 2024 #14
Bingo Cosmocat Oct 2024 #10
Yep yep yep liberalmediaaddict Oct 2024 #11
They are awful themselves, NameAlreadyTaken Oct 2024 #12
Tell me something I don't know BeyondGeography Oct 2024 #15
"One of us! One of us! One of us!" Talitha Oct 2024 #18
Here are two articles of note. One a newer one, and the other, something I saved long ago. B.See Oct 2024 #19
It is difficult to think of trump cultists as being Americans at this point. mwb970 Oct 2024 #20
I don't think I get it NJCher Oct 2024 #22
When your own mind does not work this way, and you find Trump totally repugnant... 3catwoman3 Oct 2024 #23
I agree. Many have a 'burn it all down' mentality ecstatic Oct 2024 #24
Yes. They are overwhelmed and don't understand how anything works in our government travelingthrulife Oct 2024 #27
"He says what I'm thinking." tanyev Oct 2024 #26
That was George Wallace's appeal Zambero Oct 2024 #28
I've said that all along. For some people, at least, Ocelot II Oct 2024 #29
Yep, it's racism Mysterian Oct 2024 #30
It is pure unbridled racism. dalton99a Oct 2024 #31
Stupid is as stupid does AKwannabe Oct 2024 #33

Ferrets are Cool

(22,957 posts)
2. I've been saying it for a long time. He could use the N word from the podium and they would cheer.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:53 PM
Oct 2024

That's how deplorable they are.

The Roux Comes First

(2,278 posts)
3. Yes, Indeed, Many of Us Have Trouble Dealing With That Embrace of Horrible. Awful Lack of Proper Personhood
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:53 PM
Oct 2024

It's as if a good chunk of the country publicly endorsed Charles Manson - or Ted Bundy.

Many years ago, having tried to get my head around a couple Jerry Lewis movies, having learned what a superstar he was in France, I walked away shaking my head. "Different tastes" and all, I told myself.

This is entirely different.

spooky3

(38,633 posts)
5. So, Tom, was Hillary correct when she called many of them deplorables?
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:56 PM
Oct 2024

You owe her an apology.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
16. YES HE DOES! Hillary was RIGHT.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 12:49 AM
Oct 2024

They were the definition of deplorable. And they STILL ARE!!!

Septua

(2,957 posts)
6. Of course, they like that Trump is awful.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 10:58 PM
Oct 2024

As has been said many times, Trump supporters were around before Trump ran for President. They just never had a President to support them before he came along.

https://sites.nd.edu/truth-and-politics/donald-trump-voters-we-like-the-presidents-lies/

happybird

(5,393 posts)
7. I work with two magats. Ugh.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 11:09 PM
Oct 2024

The other thing they have in common: hatred and disdain for non-white immigrants, and misogyny. It’s disturbing. One, the loudest and most outspoken, bragged that he’s never voted (government is corrupt, blah blah blah) so at least that part is comforting. Thankfully, I work opposite shifts from the other one so don’t have to deal with him. Last time we worked together he made awful comments about a Hispanic customer I had just helped. He is weak, insecure, hateful little dickhead loser.

(I’ve destroyed the first one in arguments, to the point he won’t speak to me for the rest of the day, on more than one occasion. I don’t start the political discussion but I WILL finish it, asshole.)

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
8. He's everything that people loved about Hitler. There seems to be more of them than I thought.
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 11:11 PM
Oct 2024

Metaphorical

(2,634 posts)
21. In some way, the MAGA are worse
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 01:56 AM
Oct 2024

Remember that for the average German during World War Ii, most of the atrocities that were committed, such as the Holocaust and the death camps, were hidden, by a very pliant media. Part of this was also due to the fact that many of the people who were in the know were actually Austrian, who were even more pro-Hitler than the Germans were. Similarly, many of the most infamous camps such as Auschwitz-Birkinau were in Poland.

The MAGA for the most part are the evolution of the American Nazi party and the Ku Klux Klan. Ultranationlist, authoritarian, misogynist, racist, jingoistic. It's worth noting that Germans actually make up the single largest group by country of origin in the US, even beating out Mexico and the UK, and it was far from certain that America wouldn't go to war in support of Germany in the 1930s. There was a lot of support for Hitler in the US, especially among the upper class.

https://public.tableau.com/views/DiasporaGroups/Dashboard1?:language=en-US&:embed=y&:sid=&:redirect=auth&:embed_code_version=3&:loadOrderID=0&:display_count=y&publish=yes& rigin=viz_share_link

American progressive sensibilities were largely driven by the Nordic countries, but the strain of Nazi Aryanism was laid, barely dormant, just under the cultural awareness of the US for a long time, until it finally fused with the emergent Christo-Fundamentalists in the 1970s. It's easy to see MAGAts as being rubes, but it is worth understanding the deeper origins of where this movement came from, and the fact that Trump has been very adept at molding himself as the Aryan Ubermensch (tall, wealthy, blonde, powerful, sexually active, etc.)

czarjak

(13,639 posts)
9. "Nothing you say will change my mind."
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 11:24 PM
Oct 2024

It's ingrained. They. Don't. Care. Either. Lines have been drawn.

Arthur_Frain

(2,358 posts)
14. It's been obvious for quite some time actually.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 12:40 AM
Oct 2024

It’s why I don’t waste my time talking to them anymore. Not my job to deprogram.

liberalmediaaddict

(998 posts)
11. Yep yep yep
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 11:28 PM
Oct 2024

They admire the things that we find repulsive about Trump.

The fact that his latest Presidential run didn't truly take off until he was indicted on 91 felony counts says it all.

And when Trump has ever said something normal like "get your Covid vaccine" they turn on him.

If he'd allowed a peaceful transition of power 4 years ago and admitted Biden won the cult wouldn't have forgiven him. They admire his January 6th coup attempt and wish it had succeeded.

NameAlreadyTaken

(2,301 posts)
12. They are awful themselves,
Tue Oct 22, 2024, 11:30 PM
Oct 2024

and they identify him as "just like them" and as representing them. MTG understands this too and plays to that same awful crowd by saying awful things, and they love it. Ann Coulter used to be the standard bearer for this, but she could do it "safely" because she wasn't running for office.

BeyondGeography

(41,101 posts)
15. Tell me something I don't know
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 12:42 AM
Oct 2024

Then again, what is there left to learn about Trump and his supporters after nearly a decade? Nothing.

B.See

(8,503 posts)
19. Here are two articles of note. One a newer one, and the other, something I saved long ago.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 01:04 AM
Oct 2024

By the always excellently spot on, Chauncey DeVega:

"Thirst for the spectacle of Trump’s cruelty": Exploring MAGA's unbreakable bond - Salon “Make America Great Again” actually means “Make America White Again”

Donald Trump is a very successful hate merchant. What Trump is selling his MAGA political cultists — the racism, bigotry, nativism, xenophobia, misogyny, violence, fascism and other antihuman values — is highly addictive. Such poison damages a person’s mind and behavior. With fewer than three weeks until Election Day, Trump is further “refining” his product, making it even more toxic and addictive. Trump does not care if his product hurts his MAGA users, because the more dangerous it is the more they want it. Ultimately, there will be no crescendo or endpoint for the hatred that Trump is selling; he will only get worse in the coming weeks.

With the psychological deftness of a cult leader, Trump is able to infiltrate the shadowed corners of America’s consciousness, casting a sinister silhouette that bends reality into a fevered hallucination of chaos and bloodlust. His voice, like a conjurer’s incantation, stirs the embers of rage, mustering both a conviction and devotion that consumes both logic and restraint. This would not be possible if his audience did not already thirst for the spectacle of Trump’s cruelty — a grotesque panorama of cities overrun by thieves, murderers and criminally insane, sapping the marrow of the law that once made America safe for white collar felons like Trump.


From September 2017:

Study: A Picture of a Black Person Can Anger Trump Supporters and Change Their Politics - The Grio

Trump voters are very complex. They are conservatives who believe big government is getting out of hand. They want lower taxes for the middle class. They believe in comprehensive immigration reform. They want an economic policy that reflects the average ... Nah, I’m just bullshitting. They just don’t like black people.

According to Vox, they could be triggered by a photograph of a black person.

More specifically, a new study (pdf) by political scientists at Colgate and the University of Minnesota proves they have racist tendencies. That’s not just a popular opinion; it is a statistical fact.

mwb970

(12,150 posts)
20. It is difficult to think of trump cultists as being Americans at this point.
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 01:13 AM
Oct 2024

trump appears to hate America intensely, and his mindless worshipers love him with a white-hot passion so of course they have to hate America as well. What dreadfully awful people he attracts! The scum of our society.

None of the smart people I know can stand trump. The few dumb people I know all LOVE him.

NJCher

(43,165 posts)
22. I don't think I get it
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 03:13 AM
Oct 2024

I agree with what the OP is saying but I really have a problem getting how a person would think the cruel and vulgar things he does and says are funny..

3catwoman3

(29,406 posts)
23. When your own mind does not work this way, and you find Trump totally repugnant...
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 08:40 AM
Oct 2024

...in every possible way, it is really difficult to understand why other people find him appealing or admirable.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
24. I agree. Many have a 'burn it all down' mentality
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:05 AM
Oct 2024

My life is fucked up so I want everyone else's life to be fucked up as well.

travelingthrulife

(5,179 posts)
27. Yes. They are overwhelmed and don't understand how anything works in our government
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:19 AM
Oct 2024

so they just want to tear it all down. They never have a plan to replace what they have torn down. I usually call Republicans 'Destroyers'.

This is also a problem with libertarians and Jill Stein type voters.

tanyev

(49,295 posts)
26. "He says what I'm thinking."
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:18 AM
Oct 2024

December 2016:

Trump’s supporters can best be described as loyal.

So when Camerota met with a group of Trump voters who she had spoken with throughout the campaign, it was not surprising to hear that he still has their unwavering support. That held true when they were asked about his new position advocating punishment for those who burn the American flag or picking former Wall Street executives to join his administration despite his campaign rhetoric.

The panel first spoke to CNN last year, before Trump had even won the primary. Frustrated by the current state of the government, DeLemus told Camerota that she does not believe anything a single politician says, but she does believe Trump.

“He says what I’m thinking,” she had said. “He is resonating with the people and he’s speaking our minds.”

Nearly a year later, this group is thrilled (but not surprised) that Trump defeated Clinton, and they are sticking by him.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/01/politics/donald-trump-supporters-check-in-camerota-new-day-cnntv/index.html

Zambero

(9,990 posts)
28. That was George Wallace's appeal
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:23 AM
Oct 2024

And "inspired" many to follow Lester Maddox, Orville Faubus, Hitler, et al. A considerable swath of "humanity" embraces evil-doers who aspire to commit evil deeds towards others. But these individuals perceive themselves as somehow being excluded from harm, a dangerous miscalculation. Trump's current appeal coupled with recurrent historical events are reminders that this unfortunate human element will continue to persist in some form.

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
29. I've said that all along. For some people, at least,
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 09:56 AM
Oct 2024

the attraction of Trump is that he's overtly and proudly transgressive and he says and does all the nasty things they'd like to do but can't get away with. He's a lot of people's dark, hateful id. And it's sad and scary to know that so many awful people walk among us.

Mysterian

(6,486 posts)
30. Yep, it's racism
Wed Oct 23, 2024, 11:19 AM
Oct 2024

The deranged cultists will support their fuhrer blindly as long as he stokes their hatred of "others," and stupidly believe it will work out well for them if he obtains total power.

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