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The conman is saying you will pay no tax on social security and overtime pay
It is a fact that he has tried to do away with Social Security and he has said he hates paying overtime to workers.
I think he is telling folks there will be no tax on social security and overtime pay because his scheme is there will be NO social security or overtime pay at all.
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SheltieLover
(81,321 posts)
Island Blue
(6,287 posts)I think you’re exactly right.
Omnipresent
(7,490 posts)
underpants
(196,863 posts)No taxes on tips overtime and SS….uh huh. Like any of those would ever happen.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)Also wants this.
TBF
(36,909 posts)so I think either side is ok letting this go. I think you're right and this may happen either way.
Trump will definitely outlaw O/T pay, and he will get rid of Social Security if he can.
ever talk about the fact that trump will do away with social security? I haven’t heard her talk about that. I have heard her talk about no taxes on tips.
TBF
(36,909 posts)"Twelve minutes into her speech, she mentioned Project 2025, a proposed conservative blueprint for a future Republican administration. "Project 2025 is a plan to weaken the middle class, be clear," Harris said. "And Donald Trump intends to cut Social Security and Medicare.""
source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-check-about-claims-that-trump-plans-to-cut-medicare-and-social-security/ar-AA1qVDfL
The problem with Project 2025 is that it will change the government as we know it by eliminating programs - even agencies and cabinet posts, re-categorizing (as with veterans, they want to make all disabled vets subject to renewed "classification" - ie they will try to eliminate their disability pay by re-classifying them), cutting government expenditures at every turn. It's a 900-page document and there's a lot in there. What I noticed when I was reading is that there's a lot of sneaky language like "re-classify" so that you really have to think about what they are saying. It's not a list of bullet-points that would get them in a lot of trouble right off the bat. Rather they go on in prose about determining things, classifying things, changing things etc. I believe 100% that Trump will outlaw O/T, and completely dismantle Social Security, Medicare, etc.
Unless someone is literally a billionaire, Project 2025 is NOT going to help them financially & will most likely hurt them.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)She’s very honest and running her campaign that way.
BattleRow
(2,601 posts)video that is a must watch.
Although filmed sometime ago,the truths spoken are more evident now than ever..especially the part about them coming for your social security..and they'll get it.
Carlin's been dead for over 15 years,but the truth never dies.
The big club and you and I ain't in it..
TBF
(36,909 posts)BattleRow
(2,601 posts)
TBF
(36,909 posts)
BattleRow
(2,601 posts)
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)Omnipresent
(7,490 posts)Because none of that will happen either.
BattleRow
(2,601 posts)
durablend
(9,321 posts)The BIGLIEST ones.
haele
(15,483 posts)Probably change up the Department of Labor regulations to designate all employment as a contract, or "gig"; there's X amount taxed on the contracted pay, and the employee has no recourse other than to take the conditions to get paid, or get fired. Oh, and the employer can fire you, change your job description/duties or contract and cut your hours/pay/ benefits any time with no recourse, and get you blackballed in your career if they feel like it when you protest.
Because that's the way GOP hardliners runs businesses. Right into the ground.
Haele
GoodRaisin
(10,975 posts)He won’t do anything but tweet, sleep, watch TV, play golf and sign whatever his fascist republicans send him. Also send his gestapo to arrest people he doesn’t like. The social security and medicare will be raided and given to the billionaires in the form of tax breaks.
malaise
(297,024 posts)Spread this far and wide
Liberal In Texas
(16,332 posts)
doc03
(39,120 posts)SS to tax.
TBF
(36,909 posts)tax folks who make more than the cutoff. If they taxed it on ALL income, they would never have a problem funding the program.
doc03
(39,120 posts)am talking about taxing benefits. For example I could work 40 years and get a decent pension.
Another person could work the same job for the same pay for 30. But I may have less clear income because I have to pay tax on 85% of my SS while he pays nothing.
DFW
(60,324 posts)That wouldn't help those of us living outside the USA. The country of residence gets to tax US Social Security benefits, and the 15% exclusion doesn't apply to us. I have to pay 50% of my Social Security benefits to the German government, getting nothing in return. Heil Honecker!
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)By the time we pay medical, education expenses and other things, we pay 50 percent here too.
DFW
(60,324 posts)I get zero health insurance. I get zero pension or retirement care. Not even the media is free. Here, you have to pay a media fee just to have a television or a radio. Any medication or doctor visits, I get billed for full boat, and when I turn them in to my Blue Cross, they get denied for not being “approved” health providers.
This is the real Germany, not Sandersfantasyland.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)Maybe only citizens.
DFW
(60,324 posts)I don't know how long you lived here, or where, but that is out of some fairy tale verion of contemporary Europe.
For one thing, there are a lot of countires here, and each one has their own system of coverage.
My wife is a German social worker, who worked with poeple (some immigrants, but mostly Germans) who just didn't make it here on their own. She worked with plenty of the several hundred thousand Germans who fall though the cracks, and have no health insurance. German citizens CAN get some kind of basic health insurance, but they have to apply for it. It isn't automatic if you aren't employed by contract. Several hundred thousand may seem minimal as a statistic compared with the USA, but if you work with them for decades on a daily basis, they aren't few, but instead, many. There are also illiterate Germans. Again, not many by comparison, but there are here. My wife had several of them to deal with as well. Most illiterates that she dealt with were highly intelligent, probably a few dyslexics among them, and knew how to get by without ever admitting they couldn't read or write.
In Germany, health insurance is a patchwork system that needs some skill to navigate. But if you don't navigate it, you are not insured. There is not one sole health insurer, but rather a dozen or so. My wife had a serious operation when she was 60. Her employer was furious that she was in the hospital for so long, but she did the job to help out the people sent to her, not for the corrupt agency. After her hospital stay, her employer offered her a severance package so that he could fire her and hire a less experienced (and thus less paid) social worker to take her place. The package included six months of health care, but then she was on her own until age 65. I sprang for her health insurance, about €550 per month with a sort of COBRA type of company (closest German equivalent), for the five years until she turned 65, and her German version of Medicare kicked in. Good thing, too, as she got an "always fatal" form of cancer at age 64. She was that one in ten thousand that was diagnosed early and survived, but the operation and aftermath in the hospital lasted over a month. Because I was paying for her health insurance, we escaped getting ruined, and a year later, her "Medicare" kicked in.
I am eligible for no German health insurance unless I want to get what is called "Privat" insurance. I checked this out in 2011 when I moved my residence here. I had to list pre-existing conditions, which figure into their calculation for the rate. I got quoted €30,000, or about $36,000 (depending on the Euro-Dollar rate at the time) per year, a bit above my pay grade. My out-of pocket costs in the meantime have been nowhere near the $450,000 I would have had to pay for German health insurance, so even without Blue Cross and their useless "coverage," I am ahead of the game. If you live in Germany, but your employer is NOT German (mine is American), you can quickly be out of luck.
I can't imagine you get your information from Fox "News," but statements like "Europe has 100% government paid medicine." come from a source whose dedication to--or, rather, against--accuracy is no less biased.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)How many times have you heard that we have the worst health care in the world and wished we had the free healthcare European population gets. It comes up a few times a year. You are the first to ever dispute it.
TBF
(36,909 posts)as Trump~lol.
But, yes, that does seem a little unfair.
DFW
(60,324 posts)I guess I’d have to weigh the pros and cons of that.
Besides, we’re about 90 minutes away from Putin’s drones if he decides that Germany sent Zelensky one care package too many.
Squaredeal
(742 posts)The monthly Social Security benefit for these low income workers is only $1,066 monthly should they not count their tips as income.
Ferrets are Cool
(23,002 posts)because he will ELIMINATE SS and make it illegal to pay overtime. So, he isn't lying, for ONCE.
Lovie777
(23,287 posts)so yeah, no taxes.
Tommy Carcetti
(44,566 posts)...and recess all day.
enigmania
(501 posts)mikegibbo
(5 posts) dchill
(42,660 posts)Ohioboy
(3,893 posts)That would be the quickest way to have no tax on Social Security and overtime pay.
Another thing he says he'll do fast is end the war in Ukraine.
world wide wally
(21,836 posts)That will end the war.
bucolic_frolic
(55,478 posts)Presto! No texes!
FarPoint
(14,901 posts)I keep it real simple....we will become property of this potential dictator if he gets back into office....He actually will resemble Putin's Russia or North Korean leader style....
Come to think about it...tRump will only be in office for maybe 3 months or less as Vance is the chosen one...pResident Vance is their goal...
So, there is no discussion on how bad it will be as it will no longer be America.
liberalla
(11,157 posts)
eppur_se_muova
(42,173 posts)The idea that there's some kind of twisted logic behind his actions ignores the fact that tfg is a total failure at logic. He knows only greed and self-aggrandizement, and those are so hard-wired in him that he doesn't have to devote a millisecond of thought to following those imperatives.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)Making it even more necessary for us to do so.
Hotler
(13,747 posts)
Retrograde
(11,434 posts)and now he’s an expert on overtime laws? I suspect he’s never paid his employees overtime pay.
republianmushroom
(22,458 posts)
Johonny
(26,389 posts)To vote for him. Literally he had Musk hiding golden tickets in candy bars. These people treat the masses as morons that can be bought.
Once he's president, he won't give a fuck about them.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)I'm afraid older people will fall for it.
OldPilot
(10 posts)The orange on is full of what my grandfather shoveled out of the barn.
ProfessorGAC
(77,019 posts)"Well, we need to cut your payments by 18%. No complaining, just move on. I said I'd cut your tax. I didn't say I wouldn't cut your benefit."
Predicting a future presentation.