Should Joe Use His New Supreme Court Approved Immunity Power

[the_liberal_grandpa]

to put down any insurrection activity by the convicted felon when he loses?

If yes, what sort of action should he take?

I think Joe may have a huge role to play to insure a peaceful transition.

[verargert]

1. Have ATF, DoD, FBI, roundup all the white supremists and send them off the gitmo

[Farmgirl1961]

2. You've hit on a really good point....

If you remember, the last election TFG was in the WH (I will never refer to him as my president) and refused to leave...this time around, he's trying to crawl is way back in, but Joe Biden IS our president and so yes, I think you are absolutely correct in that Joe may very well have a HUGE role to play in making sure there is a peaceful transition.

[ecstatic]

55. His job is to keep America safe. He has a duty to do that.

If he fails to keep us safe and free, it will impact his legacy. Frankly, trump should already be in prison right now.

[bdamomma]

60. Joe

loves his country, he already told us that when he endorsed VP Harris.

[dalton99a]

3. Biden has extreme power

“As president, you have tremendous — it’s called extreme power. You have extreme power,” he said. “You can, just by the fact, you say, ‘Close the border,’ and the border’s closed. That’s it. Very, very simple. You don’t need all of this nonsense that they talk about.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/22/trump-attacks-harris-racist-stereotype-florida/

[Kid Berwyn]

4. Absolutely.

President Biden will do whatever is needed to uphold, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. If that means arresting 2/3 of the Supreme Court, so be it.

Thank you for putting it in words, the_liberal_grandpa. A hearty welcome to DU!

[brush]

5. Yes, hold it in reserve until needed. He can use his new powers to navigate...

Last edited Wed Oct 23, 2024, 04:10 PM - Edit history (1)

around the SCOTUS 6's intent to help trump with their own weapon...impunity from official acts...which means Biden can officially control any insurrection attempts by trump maga loyalists after he loses the Nov. election.

Joe will use it wisely if necessary. If contingency plans are being made for just such occasions as we speak.

[The Bopper]

40. How about

Telling Kavanagh, Barrett and Gorsuch to resign under threat of arrest for lying to Congress and send them to a dark site for cult deprogramming. Then have Joe appoint 3 honest people to replace them. Sounds like official President stuff to me.

[brush]

46. That's ok by me as long as Roberts, Alito and Thomas are included.

[tritsofme]

6. I'm not sure I understand the suggestion that President Biden would have to do something illegal?

In response to an insurrection?

[stopdiggin]

9. which is why this is 98% bullsh__

lets get people all worked up. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

[tritsofme]

10. It's just my-favorite-dictator porn. I find it incredibly bizarre.

[stopdiggin]

20. great way of putting it! and, yeah - bizarre - and rather disappointing

it's like a certain percentage of us are really looking forward to ...
(just like the MAGA crazies ..? )

[Srkdqltr]

31. Some people here are definitely in the tinfoil hat line, bless them. But they are our tin foil hats.

[dchill]

11. Exactly. The President has plenty of executive authority to quell...

...an insurrection WITHOUT breaking any laws. He won't need immunity for fulfil his Constitutional obligations.

[H2O Man]

39. Exactly!

[wnylib]

56. A president would not need immunuty to respond to an insurrection.

It's part of the job, consistent with his oath to defend the constitution.

So I question why the OP mentions "immunity power" and implies that action would be illegal without it.

[tritsofme]

58. Sometimes people just get off imagining their own little dictatorship.

Or at least, that’s how it seems.

[stopdiggin]

7. NO. And there is no need for "new approved Immunity Power"

ordinary law enforcement is quite good enough. Thanks.

[sarisataka]

8. What should he do that requires immunity?

[The Wizard]

12. Biden should pardon Trump

so long as Trump leaves the country and never returns. Trump must also make a public apology for siding with Putin and attempting to undermine the United States for profit / rubles.

[TwilightZone]

17. There's nothing stopping Trump from being an instigator from elsewhere.

He would never agree to the Putin/profit stuff (or leaving, for that matter), so the point is really moot, but Trump's proximity has nothing to do with the amount of damage he could do, because the internet exists.

[BlueKota]

13. Whatever needs to be done to stop tsf and his cult

from taking over the country needs to be done. Use the national guard first then if that doesn't work call in the armed forces.

Heck I'd support the military taking over the country, before Trump even if he wins. At least it's leaders aren't dangerously mentally ill.

[sarisataka]

15. Support for a military coup

on Democratic Underground- will wonders never cease?

[BlueKota]

18. You'd rather have a lunatic in charge?

Trump is dangerously deranged. At least our military leaders won't hand over the country to Vladimir Putin. They aren't insane like Donny is. Even if he croaked or the 25th ammendment was used against him then we'd get Vance another, younger lunatic, no thanks. I want sane and intelligent people in control.

[sarisataka]

19. I do not support dictatorships or juntas.

nor acting in the way we have condemned Republicans for acting...

[BlueKota]

23. But if he wins or successfully overthrows a Harris victory that's exactly what we would get

anyway. I trust the U.S. military to protect human rights more than a narcissistic lunatic.

[sarisataka]

26. Why bother with the military?

If Harris loses the EC, we can just storm the capitol on January 6, steal the votes and install Harris as President. Doesn't that seem more democratic?

[BlueKota]

29. I don't get how people don't understand if he

wins and is allowed to take office Democracy will aleady dead on arrival? There will be nothing we can do to prevent his agenda once he takes control. Do you honestly think you can trust the SC6 or Mike a magat controlled congress to stop him or protect anyone's rights who isn't a white male Trump cult member?

[stopdiggin]

25. you do understand that were OPPOSED to fascists, along with their tendencies and goals?

lord, deliver us ...

[BlueKota]

41. I am opposed to anyone who

wants to take basic human rights away from anyone who isn't a white male cult member.

My point is I don't think it's right if this country lets tsf or anyone do the type of things Hitler did to the Jews in Germany, and just shrug our collective shoulders, and say well he won the election so we need to "honor the results." He and his maga cultists are already talking about prison camps, treating women like cattle, punishment for political enemies even though they've broken no laws, persecuting gays or people of alternate religions. I believe they have every intention of doing those things, if he becomes President again.

I am not okay with people saying well if he wins the election we have to follow the rules, even if the other side breaks them without consequences, and no matter what he does to other innocent people because our fighting back in defense would be wrong, even it was to save others lives.

[stopdiggin]

59. and if it takes a fascist to beat a fascist ...

[BlueKota]

61. Do you honestly think President Biden would be comparable to

Trump, Hitler, or Stalin? Even if he had th
ultimate power he wouldn't put Jews, or Muslims in concentration camps simply because they practice a different religion. He wouldn't force gay people into conversion camps where they use violence to achieve submission. Neither would Kamala Harris. Trump would and will, if given a chance. He even admits it.

Tsf is a clear and present danger to anyone who isn't a member of his cult, and it's not just the media or Democrats saying it. Other Republicans and U.S. Generals are warning us. Are the exaggerating? He has already proven to be traitor to this country on January 6, and will end up destabilizing not only the U.S. but the entire world if allowed back in office.

Are you honestly willing to have everyone sit back and let him do whatever he damn well pleases to anyone? What about the lives of the people he will destroy? Do they matter less than trying to breathe life back into a system that will already be in ashes the minute he is sworn in?

How do you propose we protect the rest of us from him once he has ultimate power because a magat congress and SC will likely grant him exactly that. I would really like to hear your answers to how he would be prevented from becoming another Hitler or Stalin if re-elected if we have to follow the rules but he doesn't?

[bdamomma]

62. That's why

We have President Biden now, and we will have VP Harris as President.

[BlueKota]

63. I trust them and believe VP Harris will win if the other side

isn't allowed to cheat with SC assistantance.

[TwilightZone]

21. Yeah...

As was alluded to above, let's just replace their dictator with ours! Uh, huh.

Asserting that we should use the tactics of Trump and his minions as the basis for our own behavior is always a losing argument.

[sarisataka]

24. It seems some folks are dedicated to Democratic principles

unless we lose, then authoritarianism looks just fine

[TwilightZone]

28. It's a little odd.

If we believe it's wrong when Trump does it, it's still wrong if a Democratic president does it.

Sounds simplistic and a little obvious, but it's interesting how many times something we (correctly) rail against is suggested as a solution to a problem. The GOP spreads propaganda and disinformation, so we should, too. They lie in their ads, so we should, as well. Trump is willing to do anything to retain power. We should do the same if he wins.

Nah, we're supposed to be the rational party, the counter to the craziness. Becoming that which we hate kind of defeats the purpose.

All that being said, I think a lot of it is just born out of frustration with what the other side gets away with. That part, I get.

[BlueKota]

32. Again if he wins

you end up with a dictatorship. I trust the leadership of our military to uphold civil rights more than him. I have a gay man who is one of my best friends, my second cousin's daughter is a lesbian, woman are aleady dying and being treated like criminals because of the Trump owned SC. Don't people care what will happen to minorities and women under Donny?

If Vice President Harris wins, there won't be an issue, but if he wins make no mistake project 2025 will be enacted, so I stand by my feelings that whatever the Democratic leaders, law enforcement, and the military need to do to stop him and his cult, they need to do.

[sarisataka]

33. Why do you think these groups would be willing to take over the country

to keep him from being President but will robotically follow orders if he is the President?

[BlueKota]

37. tsf intends to replace military leaders who oppose him

he has already said as much. Plus again he has enough Republicans in Congess to stop any legislation to reign him in from passing, and he owns the SC majority. There will be nothing that can be done to stop him, if he is allowed to take power again.

Too many people are still trusting norms will be obeyed no matter which side is in charge and that's simply not true. The magats are outright declaring what they will do. People who think they won't actually do it given the chance are kidding themselves.

Anyway I am done arguing. I spent two years of my life studying what Hitler and Stalin did to their own citizens. I will never be okay with this country not doing everything it can to prevent a literal monster who shares many traits with them from taking over. End of my story.

[BlueKota]

27. If Trump wins and takes charge the US we know

will already be dead anyway. He will install his dictatorship as promised. Who will stop him? The Congress, which contains his magat buddies? The Supreme Court who kisses his corpulent butt?

He says he will imprison our leadership or kill them. You are willing to let them kill our former Democratic leaders, gay people, enslave blacks again, turn women into hand maidens that are property to men? Is that the kind of country you want to live in without doing whatever it takes to prevent it?

You will just sit back and say we'll that's what people votes for?

[BlueKota]

36. I don't look at it as replacing their dictatorship with ours.

I look at it as stopping someone who will endanger the very lives of anyone who isn't a white male Trump cultist. It's not about left or right, red or blue, it's about stopping America's version of Stalin or Hitler.

No one is making up or exaggerating what tsf and his cult will do to this country. They wrote it down in Project 2025. Trump says it in every speech. So I agree we vote and do everything we can to get VP Harris elected, but what happens if he wins or cheats? We all just sit back and let him do whatever the hell he wants too? Just like the Germans let Hitler do to the Jews in the Holocaust? Is that an acceptable outcome for purists? That's for sure not my idea of justice or morality.

[samsingh]

14. 100% - if it comes to a fascist like trump coming to power - Joe should do everything

he can to save Democracy.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. Biden has no "New Supreme Court Approved Immunity Power"

SCOTUS has ruled presidents are immune from criminal prosecution for official acts, but that doesn’t give them any “new” powers.

Any orders a president gives must be carried out by hundreds, or even thousands of individuals who are not immune from criminal prosecution .

If another January 6 type insurrection occurs, Biden can use the powers a president has always had, such as activating the National Guard, to put down the insurrection.

No need to over (or in some cases, under) think this.

[TwilightZone]

22. The ruling is one of the most misunderstood events in recent memory.

The prevailing opinion seems to be that it allows any president to do anything he or she wants, regardless of circumstances.

It's odd, though not that surprising, I guess. We tend to lose a bit of perspective on all things Trump.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

38. Maybe it's because

HE'S the one claiming HIS absolute immunity, and unfortunately, it kinda looks that way. Despite 34 felony convictions and too many additional crimes and outrages to list, he's bumbling along the campaign trail, with taxpayer paid security, lying, grifting, accusing, threatening.

Maybe.

[onenote]

43. And what does the fact that he hasn't yet been sentenced in the NY case have to do with his having immunity?

[BlueKota]

45. Or maybe it's because even if technically they

didn't give him absolute immunity the SC6 at least successfully delayed the majority of his trials until after the election. That way if Trump wins he won't have to face any trials or potential prison time as long as he is President. So if he dies or gets his wish to abolish elections, and pardons himself, he essentially will not have to face any consequences for inciting January 6 or mishandling classified material, or endangering national security.

We all know President Biden would not be protected by the Magat court like that and most likely not even by liberal courts. So basically unless Trump loses he has blanket immunity anyway, even if he cheats to win.

Yet some still believe tsf will have his baser goals, held in check by Congress even with enough magat members to prevent impeachment, or the SC 6 who all just basically genuflect in front of him, and will do so even more if he is President again.

Many of the same type of people are also the ones who still believe those who have already demonstrated untrustworthy behavior, will actually uphold the law. The same ones who accuse those who believe in a higher power of having blind faith.

[MineralMan]

30. To Do What, Exactly?

He has plenty of power, already. He can just do what Trump refused to do in 2020 and January 2021. The insurrection at the Capitol would never have taken place had the National Guard been in place there.

That event has now been declared to be a Special Security Event, which enables a lot of enforcement that was not in place in January 2021. All legal and not requiring any special powers.

He can also direct Federal authorities to investigate any illegal activities during and after the election. Trump did not do that.

He can direct the DOJ to deal with potential issues in court, as well. You might remember that 60 federal courts threw out Trump's attempts to corrupt the 2020 election. He lost every case he brought, despite being POTUS. Biden will not do that. He won't have to.

So, the answer is NO! It's not needed. It's a different administration, with a different set of priorities. Watch and you'll see.

[kelly1mm]

34. Not again with this 'Team Blue Benevolent Dictator' fantasy notion...... it was dumb enough

the 1st 4 times it was proposed.

[Hotler]

35. Joe should arrest (rendition) the orange one and his henchmen before they have a chance to arrest him and others.

The fascist have threatened millions of American people with military violence should he take office. There is your excuse. Now is not the time to worry about looking political.

[onenote]

44. And unless there is a basis for the arrest, the courts will order his release.

Sure, Joe couldn't be prosecuted for ordering the arrest, but that doesn't mean the arrest would stand up to a due process challenge.

As others have pointed out, the lack of understanding of the immunity ruling is monumental, even here on DU.

[Hotler]

47. Well bless your heart.

[onenote]

48. And bless yours, too.

[tritsofme]

49. Arbitrarily arrest "others"...Stop the wannabe dictator by becoming an even better dictator. Brilliant!

[RJ_MacReady]

42. Yes

If they attempted another Jan 6th type insurrection deploy the national gaurd with live ammo.

[Jack Valentino]

50. Seems to me, under laws passed by the Bush administration, the President can

have any terrorist threat renditioned to Guantanamo in the middle of the night without any court action...

It would be sweet Karma to have the rather fascistic laws passed by Bush II,
used upon their latter ex-president and dictator wannabe...

This was legal before the Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity---
by my IANAL legal interpretation.... heheh

[OAITW r.2.0]

51. Only if they try to overturn the popular vote.

[tritsofme]

53. What does that mean? The popular vote is meaningless in our current system, it is impossible to "overturn" it.

[yourout]

52. They need to notify election officials that I if they fail to..

Certify without court admissible evidence they will be jailed for an attempted coup.

[TheKentuckian]

54. Such powers are unnecessary to put down a insurrection.

It is a job requirement that the Insurrectionist in Chief failed.

[Think. Again.]

57. I'm sure Biden is will aware that if he needs to do something illegal to carry out his Oath of Office, he has full...

....permission to do that illegal thing without fear of prosecution.

Personally, I prefer that he figure out a way to do something illegal (without fear of prosecution) that would result in the overturning of the immunity ruling. Poetic justice and all.