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Matthew28

(1,856 posts)
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 05:38 PM Oct 2024

Seriously, what are you going to do if Trump wins?

Seriously, what are you going to do if Trump wins? I am going to hope like hell we hold the house to control the budget and even better the senate. Of course if we hold the senate then that brings up another question on why Harris couldn't win, but someone down ticket from Texas or Nebraska could win, while holding all purple and blue states downticket. Looking at A and B polling suggest that the downticket is doing about 3-5% better depending on the state. We're winning Arizona and even Ohio! Polling suggest by 5-8% and 2-3% for those states and We're doing 2-3% in Wis and Mi in senate races.

Sadly even if we do hold both houses Trump can do a hell of a lot of damage with the presidency.

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Seriously, what are you going to do if Trump wins? (Original Post) Matthew28 Oct 2024 OP
Especially if he suspends the constitution on day one. It doesn't matter Meadowoak Oct 2024 #1
Drugs RandySF Oct 2024 #2
I'm going to turn into a Valium addict. It's the only drug I can see getting addicted to. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2024 #5
🏆 underpants Oct 2024 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Pink Hyacinth Oct 2024 #130
Worry about Vance taking over. keithbvadu2 Oct 2024 #3
You won't have to worry long... S/V Loner Oct 2024 #31
And how is this "plan" going to be carried out? onenote Oct 2024 #53
Feet first is most likely Attilatheblond Oct 2024 #80
No one is going to "25th him" since that would take a majority of the cabinet he appoints. onenote Oct 2024 #88
He will get a pardon if he leaves... S/V Loner Oct 2024 #100
He's not worrying about a pardon unless and until he actually is ordered to serve time onenote Oct 2024 #122
Oh I definitely think it's on his mind and he's worried. I mean he's already talking about possibly pardoning Hunter. Native Oct 2024 #152
How would it be beneficial to him? Maybe he thinks it would be but more likely just another lie. onenote Oct 2024 #168
I'm sure he's got some convoluted deal in his mind that he thinks he can pull off Native Oct 2024 #170
He knows he's not going to be sent to prison in November. Even if he's sentenced it will be stayed while its on appeal. onenote Oct 2024 #171
I really can't figure out the answer to that question, I have no idea what I would do. Think. Again. Oct 2024 #4
What did you do last time? soandso Oct 2024 #15
Last time he was certainly less dangerous, resentful, and prepared to do harm than he is now. Think. Again. Oct 2024 #26
I absolutely refuse to believe FalloutShelter Oct 2024 #6
"Makes no Sense" stopped making sense a while ago NoRethugFriends Oct 2024 #11
Think racism. Captain Zero Oct 2024 #75
Who wins the actual vote is only one way he might take power again. Think. Again. Oct 2024 #30
Brace and hope in 4 years we still have a country left to re-build. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2024 #7
Promptly leaving the country shelshaw Oct 2024 #8
I will check out of politics permanently edisdead Oct 2024 #9
Start buying lottery tickets so I have a (very slight chance) to get the hell out. catbyte Oct 2024 #10
I really don't know what I'll do....... a kennedy Oct 2024 #12
Seriously, leaving the country for good. sinkingfeeling Oct 2024 #13
For where? soandso Oct 2024 #16
Ireland and New Zealand. sinkingfeeling Oct 2024 #25
Do you have connections or citizenship soandso Oct 2024 #51
You just need to have a job on the skills shortage list. meadowlander Oct 2024 #118
3 month visa in Ireland and 3 month in NZ and 6 months roaming. sinkingfeeling Oct 2024 #62
Interesting, as they are at opposite ends of the Earth Hekate Oct 2024 #139
Yep LtTx Oct 2024 #147
Me too! Best investment I ever made. Native Oct 2024 #154
Uruguay enid602 Oct 2024 #176
Russian bots pretending to be Americans leaving America due to Biden keithbvadu2 Oct 2024 #49
This is priceless. Thx for posting MomInTheCrowd Oct 2024 #131
Probably the exact same thing I did in 2016. Self Esteem Oct 2024 #14
That might not be an option. Think. Again. Oct 2024 #32
Post removed Post removed Oct 2024 #85
Hi Sunshine!! GP6971 Oct 2024 #87
Get my last will and testament in order misanthrope Oct 2024 #17
I'd probably stop having faith in the future of this country Matthew28 Oct 2024 #18
If Trump wins brettdale Oct 2024 #19
Believe you are right but sincerely hope not. Blue Full Moon Oct 2024 #96
We will win!!!!! bdamomma Oct 2024 #20
💙 Deuxcents Oct 2024 #132
Call my financial advisor about my investments. Emile Oct 2024 #21
Be very depressed for a few days. Then realize life goes on. We'll more than likely regain the House so beaglelover Oct 2024 #22
It's a secret FelineOverlord Oct 2024 #23
Like those that say 'Biden's not my President'? nt kelly1mm Oct 2024 #112
More like FelineOverlord Oct 2024 #115
OK and 'absolutely refusing to accept a Christofascist dictatorship' means more or less than kelly1mm Oct 2024 #117
Pray for our country grobertj Oct 2024 #24
Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. struggle4progress Oct 2024 #27
Join the Resistance. delisen Oct 2024 #28
Pretty much what I did from 2017-2021, but hopefully with less social distancing Jose Garcia Oct 2024 #29
Post removed Post removed Oct 2024 #126
Bella ciao struggle4progress Oct 2024 #33
God knows we need music -- appreciate this playlist & will listen tomorrow Hekate Oct 2024 #143
Too old to go anywhere so... S/V Loner Oct 2024 #34
Life goes on Bonx Oct 2024 #35
Not for a lot of us, though. Did you hear him mention something about deportations and prisons? Think. Again. Oct 2024 #39
Life won't go on for everybody if he destroys our healthcare. StarryNite Oct 2024 #138
Racism, and sexism will increase, along w anti-immigrant atmosphere, AND IF we lose the Senate, don't get The House.. electric_blue68 Oct 2024 #175
the racists will become even more bold southmost Oct 2024 #36
I constantly check my home value vs what I owe, my full 401K if I pulled with all of the penalties, my small, modest, Grown2Hate Oct 2024 #37
same... NatBurner Oct 2024 #76
Mexico's president wants to turn Mexico into LeftInTX Oct 2024 #123
Suffer and struggle 0rganism Oct 2024 #38
Enough with the fear mongering. Biophilic Oct 2024 #40
You read Rebl2 Oct 2024 #69
Good Point! vapor2 Oct 2024 #91
Not this 'Team Blue Benevolent Dictatorship' fantasy again. Really it gets old .... nt kelly1mm Oct 2024 #113
He does NOT have immunity. Have you not actually read the decision? thebigidea Oct 2024 #145
I was not responding to the article, but rather the poster. Biophilic Oct 2024 #146
Hunker down Ishoutandscream2 Oct 2024 #41
Leave the USA. If Trump wins. SupportSanity Oct 2024 #42
I'm 81... I plan on just buttoning in and hang on as best I can. I fought my war when I was young. nt albacore Oct 2024 #43
Hear, hear. It looks different on this side, after all. Hekate Oct 2024 #141
True, but now I have a grandchild... Sparkly Oct 2024 #169
I will never leave California again. Demobrat Oct 2024 #44
That's what I've decided as well. This is where we are, we've made plans to help the next 2 generations... Hekate Oct 2024 #142
Same here in CT but I WILL visit CA, NY, MA - where my kids and grandkids live CTyankee Oct 2024 #161
I have young female relatives in the Midwest. Demobrat Oct 2024 #165
I will check out for a while Marigold Oct 2024 #45
La complainte du partisan struggle4progress Oct 2024 #46
Leaving the Country AldebTX Oct 2024 #47
Since i cannot afford to leave Anza404 Oct 2024 #48
Harris will most likely win, but there does need to be a contingency plan... ck4829 Oct 2024 #50
Don't Mourn, Organize! struggle4progress Oct 2024 #52
Sons of Molly struggle4progress Oct 2024 #54
Song of the leaders struggle4progress Oct 2024 #55
Me, personally? MLF1981 Oct 2024 #56
Bells Of Rhymney struggle4progress Oct 2024 #57
If Abstractartist Oct 2024 #58
Get up! Stand up! struggle4progress Oct 2024 #59
Delete all my social media and just play games on my iPad and computer kimbutgar Oct 2024 #60
I will be off social media if the unthinkable happens too. Boomerproud Oct 2024 #74
Joe Hill's last will struggle4progress Oct 2024 #61
We shall not be moved struggle4progress Oct 2024 #63
How can I keep from singing? struggle4progress Oct 2024 #64
I remember people here in 2004 were all saying Seeking Serenity Oct 2024 #65
That would be the resistance. Yes, if Trump wins join the resistance. SupportSanity Oct 2024 #90
It's unrealistic. TwilightZone Oct 2024 #108
Miner's lifeguard struggle4progress Oct 2024 #66
I will make good use of my dual citizenship and get the fuck out of Dodge. Native Oct 2024 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author LtTx Oct 2024 #148
Which side are you on? struggle4progress Oct 2024 #68
Freedom is a constant struggle struggle4progress Oct 2024 #70
Continue going about my life as I'm doing now Kaleva Oct 2024 #71
I won't abandon my country to fascism, I know that Skittles Oct 2024 #72
We are NOT going to lose, because if you don't have means, there isn't a damn thing you can do. No one should delude JohnSJ Oct 2024 #73
Stay right where I am in Costa Rica. LakeArenal Oct 2024 #77
No effing idea. I wont be retiring as planned CousinIT Oct 2024 #78
If You're Retired, They Actually Do Florida Dem Oct 2024 #89
Encourage my kids to go to Canada. nolabear Oct 2024 #81
My daughter is a nurse Freddie Oct 2024 #119
Tidy up the guest room in preparation for visits from my many 'nieces' who might visit me from Texas or Utah. Attilatheblond Oct 2024 #82
If he gets in there will be a full country ban so that will not help. I am in Canada, only a couple hours from Bev54 Oct 2024 #95
I live in a border town too Attilatheblond Oct 2024 #120
I'm starting to think along those lines. Demobrat Oct 2024 #98
We'll be lucky if Planned Parenthood still exists if he's elected - TBF Oct 2024 #125
Move to Europe lapfog_1 Oct 2024 #83
Retired Fed Here (DOJ and DHS) Florida Dem Oct 2024 #93
That's my concern too. Even with dual citizenship, and having the EU avaliable, with less SS benefits will I be better Native Oct 2024 #149
Vomit, be depressed iemanja Oct 2024 #84
I would do the same, but before that, I'd have to run down the list of everyone responsible ecstatic Oct 2024 #116
77 years old here. NOT going anywhere! I will stay and bluestarone Oct 2024 #86
I have a home in another country. ramedy Oct 2024 #92
I'll be yelling stolen election from the rooftops. lpbk2713 Oct 2024 #94
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2024 #97
Maybe buy a musket SomedayKindaLove Oct 2024 #99
Plan for 2026 Polybius Oct 2024 #101
Go on as I can The Blue Flower Oct 2024 #102
I will conduct a normal day rinse and repeat Groundhawg Oct 2024 #103
Resist. Eko Oct 2024 #104
Keep fighting against him. Quiet Em Oct 2024 #105
isn't that how it always is? Skittles Oct 2024 #178
My daughter gave me a gift that I treasure Quiet Em Oct 2024 #179
your girl gets it Skittles Oct 2024 #180
I have already secured my Canadian Citizenship Certificate mchill Oct 2024 #106
Same thing I did in 2016 when he won the first time. Go to work Wednesday, love my family, buckle up. NT kelly1mm Oct 2024 #107
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2024 #124
No idea who Jose Garcia is and I doubt I would be celebrating. nt kelly1mm Oct 2024 #127
Sometimes, the prospect of something happening is so abhorrent BWdem4life Oct 2024 #109
Check out Diraven Oct 2024 #110
Leaving the country would be just about impossible due to my disability. Different Drummer Oct 2024 #111
Is there any reason to imagine suffering that I believe won't happen? NNadir Oct 2024 #114
If your life or livelihood or loved ones could be deported or attacked, I don't think it's premature to be proactive. Native Oct 2024 #150
There are a lot of horrible things that could happen to me. I don't drive my car thinking of what I'll do if it... NNadir Oct 2024 #153
I totally get you, but the odds of getting run over or even getting cancer Native Oct 2024 #162
The odds of dying are 100%. The lifetime risk of dying of any type of cancer is about 20%, non trivial, of getting... NNadir Oct 2024 #164
No. More power to you. Demobrat Oct 2024 #172
Clean my house? I will be 90 by the time I finish. LeftInTX Oct 2024 #121
First, knowing that my early vote will be counted last -- afaik the ones cast on voting day are counted first-- Hekate Oct 2024 #128
This is not an option. (nt) appmanga Oct 2024 #129
My top three choices would get me hidden or perhaps banned, Jack Valentino Oct 2024 #133
Plonk Mysterian Oct 2024 #134
FUCKING PANIC!!! OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2024 #135
A reasonable expectation, based on past experience. Different Drummer Oct 2024 #144
going to canada if he wins? Belobogmang Oct 2024 #136
Sabotage JoseBalow Oct 2024 #137
Vomit. Then take a shower and then go to work. PCIntern Oct 2024 #140
The same things I did from 2017-2020 Baggies Oct 2024 #151
I survived his last term. I suppose I will make through another one. nt doc03 Oct 2024 #155
Same things I'll do if Harris wins. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2024 #156
Not sure. But if that goon is pres with the SC house and senate JanMichael Oct 2024 #157
Don't ask, won't tell, maintain plausible deniability. marble falls Oct 2024 #158
Join the resistance for whatever good a 77-year-old man can do. rzemanfl Oct 2024 #159
If Trump wins it's 1933 again. Joinfortmill Oct 2024 #160
"He suffers more than necessary, who suffers before it is necessary." (Seneca) Qutzupalotl Oct 2024 #163
Turn off the news Mz Pip Oct 2024 #166
We're dual citizens so we would head to Ireland nt TxGuitar Oct 2024 #167
Continue on with my life and look forward to the next election just like last time. WDLAL Oct 2024 #173
Seek asylum IzzaNuDay Oct 2024 #174
I am so convinced Harris will win ... pnwest Oct 2024 #177

Meadowoak

(6,605 posts)
1. Especially if he suspends the constitution on day one. It doesn't matter
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 05:40 PM
Oct 2024

Who has the house and senate

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,200 posts)
5. I'm going to turn into a Valium addict. It's the only drug I can see getting addicted to.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 05:47 PM
Oct 2024

Although it’s hard to get. I only got it once because I have so many allergies and knew that I wasn’t allergic to Valium.

Response to underpants (Reply #79)

onenote

(45,963 posts)
53. And how is this "plan" going to be carried out?
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:38 PM
Oct 2024

Do you think Trump is going to leave office with a big smile on his face?

Attilatheblond

(8,114 posts)
80. Feet first is most likely
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:29 PM
Oct 2024

If they try to 25th him, he will raise the maga militia to fight fight fight, unless they give him full pardons, kill all other investigations and assure a lovely 'severance' package.

onenote

(45,963 posts)
88. No one is going to "25th him" since that would take a majority of the cabinet he appoints.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:46 PM
Oct 2024

So no "maga militia".

S/V Loner

(9,485 posts)
100. He will get a pardon if he leaves...
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:31 PM
Oct 2024

and staying out of jail is a big motivator not to mention he still gets to bang the "I beat them" drum and then pay golf. He will take the deal because Thiel, Musk, and the other billionaires want their boy Vance in there. They are not going to give him an option. They only tolerate trump as a means to an end. Control of Vance is that end.

onenote

(45,963 posts)
122. He's not worrying about a pardon unless and until he actually is ordered to serve time
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:46 PM
Oct 2024

And that's probably a long way off, if ever, given that he still has appeals left. And once he's in office, Thiel etc have no sway over him, even assuming they ever really did.

Native

(7,289 posts)
152. Oh I definitely think it's on his mind and he's worried. I mean he's already talking about possibly pardoning Hunter.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:24 PM
Oct 2024

He wouldn't be doing that unless it would be beneficial to him.

onenote

(45,963 posts)
168. How would it be beneficial to him? Maybe he thinks it would be but more likely just another lie.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 05:08 PM
Oct 2024

Why would he dangle that possibility? Mostly to make it sound like he's not going to engage in the kind of political retribution he accuses the Biden administration of employing. He's lying about the Biden administration and he's lying about not intending to engage in political retribution. And he's lying about pardoning Hunter.

Native

(7,289 posts)
170. I'm sure he's got some convoluted deal in his mind that he thinks he can pull off
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 05:21 PM
Oct 2024

Let's say he's given a prison sentence in November, but, God forbid, he's won the election. You pardon me, and I'll pardon Hunter. I'm sure his addled mind hasn't even considered the fact that Biden could pardon his own son. Or perhaps he's thinking Biden will come to his rescue if he loses and is faced with a prison sentence because he has spoken out about Hunter not deserving prosecution. I just know that he doesn't cut anyone slack or even think about it much less mention it unless there's something he thinks he can gain from it.

onenote

(45,963 posts)
171. He knows he's not going to be sent to prison in November. Even if he's sentenced it will be stayed while its on appeal.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 05:48 PM
Oct 2024

It will be a long time before he would actually have to begin serving a sentence.
Consider Steve Bannon -- he was sentenced to prison in October 2022. He began serving that sentence in July 2024.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
26. Last time he was certainly less dangerous, resentful, and prepared to do harm than he is now.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:20 PM
Oct 2024

FalloutShelter

(14,132 posts)
6. I absolutely refuse to believe
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 05:47 PM
Oct 2024

Folks are going to vote for down ballot Democrats and then vote for TSF. Makes NO SENSE… not this year.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
30. Who wins the actual vote is only one way he might take power again.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:22 PM
Oct 2024

(We saw it happen in 2000.)

shelshaw

(671 posts)
8. Promptly leaving the country
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 05:48 PM
Oct 2024

I'll return with the allied powers to help rebuild whatever might be left afterward

edisdead

(3,396 posts)
9. I will check out of politics permanently
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 05:49 PM
Oct 2024

I will focus even more on my kids and making sure they know right from wrong. They will need it in a world where the country largely does not. If the country goes this way, I will be too busy preparing for how to teach my kids to live in it for much of anything else

catbyte

(38,561 posts)
10. Start buying lottery tickets so I have a (very slight chance) to get the hell out.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 05:50 PM
Oct 2024

I love Michigan but I refuse to live in Nazi Germany-lite. Or maybe not-so-lite.

a kennedy

(35,184 posts)
12. I really don't know what I'll do.......
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 05:57 PM
Oct 2024

really, I don’t know. I am trying so hard not to think about it.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
51. Do you have connections or citizenship
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:37 PM
Oct 2024

so you could get legal residency? I though NZ was hard to get into unless you're rich.

meadowlander

(5,082 posts)
118. You just need to have a job on the skills shortage list.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:17 PM
Oct 2024

It's not easy to waltz in but if you're prepared to put 4-5 years into it and retrain in an in-demand industry pretty much anyone can do it.

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/already-have-a-visa/one-off-residence-visa/2021-resident-visa-scarce-lists/long-term-skill-shortage-list

It's also harder if you're over 50, have a significant health condition, or have any kind of criminal record.

enid602

(9,607 posts)
176. Uruguay
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:54 PM
Oct 2024

Uruguay. It’s one of very few countries where you only pay taxes on actual wages earned in Uruguay. Will convert my traditional IRA into a self directed IRA, so I can buy a parking lot or apt units there. Will sell house and wire proceeds to a bank in Montevideo.

Will rent a nice apt in Pocitos. Go to the beach (Piriapolis, Punta del Este) a lot. Try to forget.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
49. Russian bots pretending to be Americans leaving America due to Biden
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:35 PM
Oct 2024
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214494575

Russian bots pretending to be Americans leaving America due to Biden

Leaving America to go to Alaska?


Response to Self Esteem (Reply #14)

misanthrope

(9,347 posts)
17. Get my last will and testament in order
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:10 PM
Oct 2024

The incoming regime will likely remove my access to health care. With my chronic disability, it won't take long for me to die.

Matthew28

(1,856 posts)
18. I'd probably stop having faith in the future of this country
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:12 PM
Oct 2024

Probably just find a nice mountainous area to hide out in just in case things go down hill if he sends in the military...I hope he just goes insane and starts talking to the wall instead.

 

brettdale

(12,748 posts)
19. If Trump wins
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:13 PM
Oct 2024

The GOP will have the house and senate, no one who votes for trump is splitting their vote.

bdamomma

(69,130 posts)
20. We will win!!!!!
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:14 PM
Oct 2024

Stop this defeatism, we will stop hate and division. We all need to vote!!!!!!

beaglelover

(4,416 posts)
22. Be very depressed for a few days. Then realize life goes on. We'll more than likely regain the House so
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:16 PM
Oct 2024

he will be very limited in what he can do. He'll need to resort to illegal executive actions again. Of course, he'll get to appoint at least 1 more SC justice, so that will suck.

FelineOverlord

(3,851 posts)
115. More like
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:11 PM
Oct 2024

Absolutely refusing to accept a Christofascist dictatorship which the GOP is promising us if Trump slithers back into office.

Much as I disliked Bush The Lesser, I don't remember him threatening to send the military to slaughter Americans if they disagreed with him.

Trump supposedly wants Michael Flynn in any future regime.





 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
117. OK and 'absolutely refusing to accept a Christofascist dictatorship' means more or less than
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:16 PM
Oct 2024

my Grandpa saying 'Biden is not my President'?

delisen

(7,192 posts)
28. Join the Resistance.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:21 PM
Oct 2024

Everyone can do something. Even people with dual citizenship who are younger than I can leave the US and work on a liberation movement from abroad if necessary.

We have seen citizens of other countries do it when necessary. A big advantage we have is that there will be millions of us and we will prevail. I don’t see us folding or falling for divide and conquer.

Of course I think will win this election and it will not be necessary for anyone to leave. Not holding the Senate for the next two years might present a problem and might delay the Supreme Court reform but that just means we will have a very active two years countering the authoritarians



Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #29)

S/V Loner

(9,485 posts)
34. Too old to go anywhere so...
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:26 PM
Oct 2024

I guess I will continue improving on being an "enemy from within".

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
39. Not for a lot of us, though. Did you hear him mention something about deportations and prisons?
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:28 PM
Oct 2024

StarryNite

(11,964 posts)
138. Life won't go on for everybody if he destroys our healthcare.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:08 AM
Oct 2024

Life is already ending for women because of what he's done.

electric_blue68

(25,577 posts)
175. Racism, and sexism will increase, along w anti-immigrant atmosphere, AND IF we lose the Senate, don't get The House..
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 07:37 PM
Oct 2024

back there'll be millions of people in serious danger if there's cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid! Lot's of Americans only have those as resourses, and their health care.
😬 🥺

Also Anti-Semitism will probably increase even more.

So maaaaybe your life will go on more, or less the same - a hell of a lot people’s lives won't.

southmost

(831 posts)
36. the racists will become even more bold
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:27 PM
Oct 2024

Last time those emboldened racists gave me my pink slip after working for a large corporation for 25 years... it will be another 4 years of playing survival 😬 and this is by no means an exaggeration

Grown2Hate

(2,203 posts)
37. I constantly check my home value vs what I owe, my full 401K if I pulled with all of the penalties, my small, modest,
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:27 PM
Oct 2024

crypto holdings, and my savings and try to see how much I have to be able to get out of the country. Been learning Spanish on Duolingo. I have a few Mexican American friends thinking the same way. Not so much a PLAN as a concept of a plan.

LeftInTX

(34,013 posts)
123. Mexico's president wants to turn Mexico into
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:52 PM
Oct 2024

a bean and tortilla diet. It sounds like something outta the Soviet Union. There will be instant coffee and hot chocolate though.

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-food-agriculture-plan-beans-nostalgia-1e3bd9d5e1af9e57376d2509e90d1260

Biophilic

(6,377 posts)
40. Enough with the fear mongering.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:28 PM
Oct 2024

There will be plenty of time after the election. Joe Biden will be in charge for 3 months after the election. And he has immunity. Let’s fight one battle at a time.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
113. Not this 'Team Blue Benevolent Dictatorship' fantasy again. Really it gets old .... nt
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:55 PM
Oct 2024

thebigidea

(13,554 posts)
145. He does NOT have immunity. Have you not actually read the decision?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:05 PM
Oct 2024

The courts get to make that determination. Gee, I wonder how they will decide?

Biophilic

(6,377 posts)
146. I was not responding to the article, but rather the poster.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:45 PM
Oct 2024

If trump wins there will be plenty of time after for us to be overwhelmed. Right now we need to be positive and fight, not fad away with fear.

SupportSanity

(1,565 posts)
42. Leave the USA. If Trump wins.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:30 PM
Oct 2024

Very sad to even think about it. But if Trump wins, I think things will get horribly bad extremely fast.
I've been planning this for a while, just in case Democracy loses.
This won't be Kamala losing, this will be Democracy losing.
I believe that Trump will do what he has promised.
Less and less freedom every day.
Leave before there won't be a way to leave.
"May I see your papers, please"

I'm still dumbfounded .... that there are so many truly awfully bad people in this country. And that these truly awfully bad people are all waiting to express their victory in many cruel and sadistic ways. No guilt. No shame. No conscience. No remorse. No justice.

That said, I'm also looking forward to Kamala Harris and Democracy winning this election. I hope I don't need to leave this country. I like it here. And I like Democracy.

albacore

(2,743 posts)
43. I'm 81... I plan on just buttoning in and hang on as best I can. I fought my war when I was young. nt
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:30 PM
Oct 2024

Sparkly

(24,818 posts)
169. True, but now I have a grandchild...
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 05:19 PM
Oct 2024

It wasn't long ago that I didn't think my daughter would live very long. Then I got cancer, and realize I might not. My daughter rallied, and she has a healthy child, who I don't want to grow up in a fascist America.

All of the calculus has changed since 2020. I don't know what would be possible for ex-pats in 2024, especially if Americans leave in droves. So I worry.

Demobrat

(10,256 posts)
44. I will never leave California again.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:30 PM
Oct 2024

I will just stay right here, try to surround myself with people I respect, and appreciate what I have while I have it.

Hekate

(100,131 posts)
142. That's what I've decided as well. This is where we are, we've made plans to help the next 2 generations...
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:01 AM
Oct 2024

…and barring natural disasters wiping everything out, that is what we will do.
🌈🐬

CTyankee

(67,731 posts)
161. Same here in CT but I WILL visit CA, NY, MA - where my kids and grandkids live
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:34 PM
Oct 2024

with one exception which is my oldest grandchild who is 28 and lives and works in Austin, Texas. I am actually a 3rd generation Texan who left and never returned. But folks in Austin are trying to change things and so I know my grandchild is working to change things in Texas and whose family can pay for her flight out of Texas if she needs health care. So far, so good for now.

Demobrat

(10,256 posts)
165. I have young female relatives in the Midwest.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:51 PM
Oct 2024

I will stay here in case they or their friends need a place to stay temporarily while receiving health care.

Marigold

(230 posts)
45. I will check out for a while
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:30 PM
Oct 2024

I plan to unsubscribe from Sling tv where I watch MSNBC and stop visiting news websites. I will concentrate on seriously learning French, and spend 6 months in Canada. Maybe find somewhere else for another few months. At my age I can only go someplace on a tourist visa. And an ugly part of me will enjoy watching the idiots who voted for Trump suffer along with me. Can't wait to see some white bros picking fruit.

struggle4progress

(125,307 posts)
46. La complainte du partisan
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:31 PM
Oct 2024


Le vent passe sur les tombes
La liberté reviendra
On nous oubliera
Nous rentrerons dans l'ombre

AldebTX

(802 posts)
47. Leaving the Country
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:32 PM
Oct 2024

My spouse and I renewed passports last months and have a plan to move if it comes to that. I feel fortunate its something we can do.

ck4829

(37,358 posts)
50. Harris will most likely win, but there does need to be a contingency plan...
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:36 PM
Oct 2024

First off, Democrats need to be united... Deny Trump EVERYTHING. He does not get a dollar for his nazi kleptocrat agenda. If he wants money, his prosperity gospel friends can pray to God to rain down the cash.

Republicans ignored the dow and the stock market's highs for four years, they will not get to crow about any highs after November if Trump wins.

If conservatives make something illegal, then I would encourage jury nullification as an official response.

MLF1981

(211 posts)
56. Me, personally?
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:45 PM
Oct 2024

Leave the country if I have enough money to do so, which is looking increasingly unlikely, or eat a bullet. I won't live in a fascist regime under that fat orange moron.

Abstractartist

(408 posts)
58. If
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:46 PM
Oct 2024

If trump wins and we hold the Senate and win the House, trump will be handcuffed. We would control the new SC nominees, the budget, all the congressional committees.

Trump talks a big game. Too bad he’s a total loser and will die a broken man, hopefully in prison.

kimbutgar

(26,664 posts)
60. Delete all my social media and just play games on my iPad and computer
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:52 PM
Oct 2024

I will cease to exist anywhere as kimbutgar. And then look into seeing if I can sell my home and move to another country.

Seeking Serenity

(3,252 posts)
65. I remember people here in 2004 were all saying
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 06:59 PM
Oct 2024

That they planned to "become ungovernable." What's wrong with that strategy?

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
108. It's unrealistic.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:44 PM
Oct 2024

People would be "ungovernable" for about five minutes before he'd have them hauled off.

Response to Native (Reply #67)

Kaleva

(40,116 posts)
71. Continue going about my life as I'm doing now
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:10 PM
Oct 2024

My life didn't change when Trump was declared the winner in 2016 nor did it change when Biden won in 2020 .

I can't control what going on around me but I can control how I react to it

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
73. We are NOT going to lose, because if you don't have means, there isn't a damn thing you can do. No one should delude
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:15 PM
Oct 2024

themselves like some did in 2016, this will be far worse than losing the Supreme Court, we will lose our democracy.

We have been warned. The country as a democracy will be literally gone.




LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
77. Stay right where I am in Costa Rica.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:24 PM
Oct 2024

And hope he doesn’t take away my social security so I can stay here.

CousinIT

(12,146 posts)
78. No effing idea. I wont be retiring as planned
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:24 PM
Oct 2024

Other countries don't just allow you to go live there.

Florida Dem

(56 posts)
89. If You're Retired, They Actually Do
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:47 PM
Oct 2024

Most have some kind of a "retirement" visa. I'm a recently retired federal employee. I was already planning to move abroad for financial reasons. But I have some obligations that will keep me here for a while longer. A fascist regime will definitely light a fire under me though. I have a fear that Trump and Musk will f@#& around with my pension, health insurance, and social security. Trump already had proposals to screw around with the benefits of federal employees and retirees last time around but he was blocked by Congress.

I am considering Panama, Mexico, Costa Rica, Thailand, or the Philippines. All of those countries have retirement visas. They have minimum income requirements but they're fairly low and easy to meet. I'm not too crazy about some of the governments but I won't be involved with the local politics. I just want to kick back and enjoy my retirement. My friend is planning to retire to Portugal. That has become a hotspot as of late.

nolabear

(43,847 posts)
81. Encourage my kids to go to Canada.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:31 PM
Oct 2024

We’re only 90 miles from the border anyway, and they and my daughter in law have very desirable careers. I could become a dependent relative, right?

Freddie

(10,039 posts)
119. My daughter is a nurse
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:33 PM
Oct 2024

I’m sure Canada would welcome her and her family. We’ll visit often.

Attilatheblond

(8,114 posts)
82. Tidy up the guest room in preparation for visits from my many 'nieces' who might visit me from Texas or Utah.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:32 PM
Oct 2024

Oh, so many nieces. I love them all so much. We can visit, see doctors if necessary, you know, just catch up 'n stuff.

Bev54

(13,145 posts)
95. If he gets in there will be a full country ban so that will not help. I am in Canada, only a couple hours from
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:09 PM
Oct 2024

the border and have extra room for those wishing to "vacation in Banff"

Attilatheblond

(8,114 posts)
120. I live in a border town too
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:39 PM
Oct 2024

and a lot of people here cross regularly for medical and dental care.

Demobrat

(10,256 posts)
98. I'm starting to think along those lines.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:18 PM
Oct 2024

Here I am sitting 8 blocks from Planned Parenthood with a spare bedroom.

TBF

(35,436 posts)
125. We'll be lucky if Planned Parenthood still exists if he's elected -
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:00 PM
Oct 2024

there will quickly be a national ban on abortion. And lord knows that party doesn't give a crap about women's health. Or anything else about us for that matter.

lapfog_1

(31,565 posts)
83. Move to Europe
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:33 PM
Oct 2024

Everyone here should understand that we are prime "second level" targets for investigation and prison. They will think up the crime to charge us with. But for certain we will find our names published on a "target" list just like the civil servants in the DOJ and DHS that were published today. And we will be constantly swatted and harassed and possibly even militia targets for killing if Trump wins.

They will go for top public Democrats first... Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi and AOC, etc. Then they will come for "deep state" civil servants" and finally for "communists" and other "enemy of the state". DU falls in that target list.

I will be in the EU and I will pray that the EU ignores any attempt of extradition on "trump'd up charges".

But our names ( which they will get from chicken shit ISPs ) will become known... and we will be doxed / investigated and possibly charged with bullshit crimes that we will have to pay lawyers to defend against..

If we stay even a year or two into the nightmare, it might well progress to the "concentration camps without charges".

Can't happen here? Ask the American Japanese right after Pearl Harbor.

Florida Dem

(56 posts)
93. Retired Fed Here (DOJ and DHS)
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:02 PM
Oct 2024

I actually worked for both DOJ (DEA) and DHS so I guess I'm a part of the deep state. As I stated in another post, I plan to move abroad when I finish with some important obligations here regarding an elderly family member. I'm not going to abandon them. But I will get out of the Fascist States of America as soon as I'm able. That won't stop them from going after my financial well-being though (pension, health insurance, and Social Security). So even though I will be in some far-flung location, the fascist POS can still ruin my financial well-being.

Let's hope Harris pulls this out. The fate of the world rests upon her shoulders now. But hey, no pressure.

Native

(7,289 posts)
149. That's my concern too. Even with dual citizenship, and having the EU avaliable, with less SS benefits will I be better
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:13 PM
Oct 2024

off staying here where I can continue to work? We are so fucked if he and his cabal win.

iemanja

(57,311 posts)
84. Vomit, be depressed
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:34 PM
Oct 2024

Not get out of bed until late the next day. After that, I'll probably keep the TV turned off and wait for it to all go away.
In other words, nothing helpful.

ecstatic

(35,003 posts)
116. I would do the same, but before that, I'd have to run down the list of everyone responsible
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 09:12 PM
Oct 2024

Venting always seems to help a little.

bluestarone

(21,054 posts)
86. 77 years old here. NOT going anywhere! I will stay and
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:41 PM
Oct 2024

Do what ever i can to help protect our Democrats (and some republicans) that put their future on the line to save our democracy! They WILL need help. I'll give until i cannot give anymore. THAT i promise!!

ramedy

(186 posts)
92. I have a home in another country.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 07:55 PM
Oct 2024

And residency in that country. I am prepared. I will be long gone.

I will not live in a country that would elect a pig like him.

lpbk2713

(43,242 posts)
94. I'll be yelling stolen election from the rooftops.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:03 PM
Oct 2024


And I'll be doing my damnedest to get something done about it before January 20th.

Response to Matthew28 (Original post)

The Blue Flower

(6,304 posts)
102. Go on as I can
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:32 PM
Oct 2024

I can't sit back silently and leave my grandkids to face what's left of this society. I'll speak up as I can and make a difference as I can. There will be a lot of prayer.

Quiet Em

(2,519 posts)
105. Keep fighting against him.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:38 PM
Oct 2024

Never let up.

No way can he just waltz in there and do as he pleases.

Quiet Em

(2,519 posts)
179. My daughter gave me a gift that I treasure
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 08:48 PM
Oct 2024

It's art, made entirely from tea bags by women in South Africa.

The piece of art quotes

"A woman is like a tea bag, you never know how strong she is until you put her in hot water" - Eleanor Roosevelt.

It made me so proud that I raised her well.

You have to serve, you have to fight, or you've got nothing.

mchill

(1,180 posts)
106. I have already secured my Canadian Citizenship Certificate
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:38 PM
Oct 2024

Been actively looking for a home to buy in British Columbia. I think it still could be a miserable place if he loses but my standards for a home will go down significantly if he wins.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
107. Same thing I did in 2016 when he won the first time. Go to work Wednesday, love my family, buckle up. NT
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:41 PM
Oct 2024

Response to kelly1mm (Reply #107)

BWdem4life

(2,922 posts)
109. Sometimes, the prospect of something happening is so abhorrent
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:49 PM
Oct 2024

that one simply refuses to plan for the possibility.

Diraven

(1,792 posts)
110. Check out
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:50 PM
Oct 2024

I'll just give up being interested in politics until it's over. Unless the ACA is repealed and my insurance drops me for being too expensive, then I'll have much worse things to worry about.

Different Drummer

(9,083 posts)
111. Leaving the country would be just about impossible due to my disability.
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 08:51 PM
Oct 2024

Hibernation until November 2028, however, is definitely on the table.

Native

(7,289 posts)
150. If your life or livelihood or loved ones could be deported or attacked, I don't think it's premature to be proactive.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:19 PM
Oct 2024

If i can't leave for some reason, I'll have to change my last name so I'm less likely to be targeted.

NNadir

(37,190 posts)
153. There are a lot of horrible things that could happen to me. I don't drive my car thinking of what I'll do if it...
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:24 PM
Oct 2024

...crashes, although recently I did crash into a car running a stop sign, and then I found out what I would do, and did it.

It won't be good for anyone anywhere on the planet if the United States becomes a fascist state, but in the case it does, which I don't expect it will, since Ms. Harris has made an outstanding case why it shouldn't, I'll find out what I'll do.

By the way, I don't know what I'll do if I'm diagnosed with terminal cancer, but I haven't lost sleep over that. I lose sleep over other things entirely things that are happening.

Native

(7,289 posts)
162. I totally get you, but the odds of getting run over or even getting cancer
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:41 PM
Oct 2024

Are not 50/50, and people survive illness and injuries. I wouldn't survive this. The only reason I'm not panicking now is because I have dual citizenship elsewhere and can leave. You're obviously made of stronger stock than I am, and I thank God for people like you.

NNadir

(37,190 posts)
164. The odds of dying are 100%. The lifetime risk of dying of any type of cancer is about 20%, non trivial, of getting...
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:50 PM
Oct 2024

...cancer about 40%.

American Cancer Society Risk of Cancer.

My wife and son make fun of me because I come from a family where we all spend our lives talking about when we die. (I'm hardly immune.)

We would better off if we spent our live talking about how we are living.

I'm expecting our first woman chief executive, and not in a panic over the possibility there won't be such a woman.

Hekate

(100,131 posts)
128. First, knowing that my early vote will be counted last -- afaik the ones cast on voting day are counted first--
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:07 PM
Oct 2024

In any case, I have no intention of watching the returns that night, knowing that it will take some days for the millions and millions of mail-in ballots to be acknowledged. We have a seriously stupid system, TV pundits and all.

I could be lured to my SIL’s hot tub with a bottle of wine, though. I must admit that if the news is bad, I’d rather not be alone, as I was when Hillary got the guillotine and DU got hacked.

Other than that, no plans. Too old to leave, and the kids and grandkids don’t see what we see.

Jack Valentino

(4,242 posts)
133. My top three choices would get me hidden or perhaps banned,
Thu Oct 24, 2024, 10:14 PM
Oct 2024

so I will just say that I would get on my knees, and say

"God? Remember me?? Sorry we haven't spoken in a long time..."

 

Belobogmang

(1 post)
136. going to canada if he wins?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 12:05 AM
Oct 2024

So. Are people actually going to piss off to canada like they promised back in 2016?

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,156 posts)
156. Same things I'll do if Harris wins.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:27 PM
Oct 2024

Continue to work toward liberation in several specific issues, provide direct aid to those harmed by specific policies, and organize with others for change.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
157. Not sure. But if that goon is pres with the SC house and senate
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:30 PM
Oct 2024

We are well and truly screwed.

Seriously. What we thought were solid institutions will be dismantled. Replaced by institutions that are 100 percent christofascist.

Maybe hunker down with alcohol and THC and read and garden some. Or maybe leave.

Joinfortmill

(19,885 posts)
160. If Trump wins it's 1933 again.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:33 PM
Oct 2024

I hope my children and grandchildren leave the country ASAP. I am 75. I will stay. And if I have enough courage, I will spit in their faces when they come for me.

Mz Pip

(28,334 posts)
166. Turn off the news
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:53 PM
Oct 2024

I’ll become one of those people who have no idea what’s going on. There seem to be a lot of them. Maybe the people who voted for Trump can tell me how to avoid reality for the next 4 years.

WDLAL

(72 posts)
173. Continue on with my life and look forward to the next election just like last time.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 06:25 PM
Oct 2024

He still has to deal with congress, just like the last time. He’s not going to declare martial law or round up political enemies. He’ll get passed whatever legislation he can, just like last time. States will continue to pass laws to deal with Supreme Court rulings.

Incremental policy changes will continue as the U.S. population changes. Nothing drastic will happen either way.

IzzaNuDay

(1,218 posts)
174. Seek asylum
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 06:29 PM
Oct 2024

First, continue studying other languages (i can read at least 4 languages but suck at speaking. The first one I can speak fluently, seek asylum in that country!

pnwest

(3,418 posts)
177. I am so convinced Harris will win ...
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 08:10 PM
Oct 2024

... it hasn't even occurred to me to have a plan.

Not up until now!

Now you have me scared enough to really contemplate "Holy crap, what WOULD life look like if he really did w...? I can't even make my myself type it out, let alone think about it.

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