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Ted Lieu: The first step towards fascism is when the free press cowers in fear. (Original Post) highplainsdem Oct 2024 OP
K & R........................ Lovie777 Oct 2024 #1
Or pragmatism. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2024 #2
How is it pragmatic ? Keepthesoulalive Oct 2024 #6
Regardless, WaPo is being practical and not taking any chances. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2024 #21
The Press edhopper Oct 2024 #28
Bezos and crew are not on our side Keepthesoulalive Oct 2024 #29
He also has a bunch of government contracts and he doesn't want to jeopardize just in case the orange turd kimbutgar Oct 2024 #46
Is running away from a bee just being "practical" or "pragmatic"? unblock Oct 2024 #30
Oh I forgot this - 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2024 #32
Ah well, that is most definitely pragmatic unblock Oct 2024 #36
WHat does this mean? Amaryllis Oct 2024 #64
Old bulletin board symbol for sarcasm. MiHale Oct 2024 #74
Their mission is to speak truth to power... Mr. Mustard 2023 Oct 2024 #67
Cowardice is always the pragmatic answer. TomSlick Oct 2024 #62
You misspelled capitulation. NotHardly Oct 2024 #72
Ours acts like it's OWNED by fascists. Kid Berwyn Oct 2024 #3
Exactly. We all know who owns the Washington Post, and the LA Times. kysrsoze Oct 2024 #10
who owns the LA Times? MadameButterfly Oct 2024 #51
Both DENVERPOPS Oct 2024 #54
Kick dalton99a Oct 2024 #4
Look no further than the owner. LoisB Oct 2024 #5
Historian Timothy Snyder warned about giving in to wnylib Oct 2024 #7
It's called "anticipatory obedience" YodaMom2 Oct 2024 #12
Yes, that's exactly what it is. And such obedience hands over wnylib Oct 2024 #16
Italians rolled over to Mussolini without a fight. MadameButterfly Oct 2024 #52
Exactly! ReRe Oct 2024 #43
This must be the "Darkness" BaronChocula Oct 2024 #34
Fear Old Okie Oct 2024 #45
Each situation is different. Sometimes it is prudent to wnylib Oct 2024 #65
Here is Dr. Synder's video from today about "Obeying in Advance" erronis Oct 2024 #70
Thanks. I could not play the video but I read the article. wnylib Oct 2024 #71
So true, cowards through and through. Bev54 Oct 2024 #8
...if they still had a woman at the top... TommyT139 Oct 2024 #33
The paper that stood up to Nixon sarisataka Oct 2024 #9
For those of us old enough to remember Nixon, this is a nauseating moment Hekate Oct 2024 #13
Indeed enigmania Oct 2024 #15
Don't forget Helen Thomas and Hearst news BattleRow Oct 2024 #24
A failure to provide *any* endorsement majdrfrtim Oct 2024 #11
Canceled my subscription Random Boomer Oct 2024 #14
It doesn't help that many of our media outlets are now owned by foreign nationals. PeaceWave Oct 2024 #17
Holy crap! No wonder we have media problems. Trust_Reality Oct 2024 #20
Owned by Fox. haele Oct 2024 #38
We've lost our media. The Unmitigated Gall Oct 2024 #76
"Toward" fascism? Trust_Reality Oct 2024 #18
Complicit Cirsium Oct 2024 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Oct 2024 #22
Freedom of the press? Really? BattleRow Oct 2024 #23
Owners just can't come right out and say "We want or fucking tax breaks to stay in place" Klarkashton Oct 2024 #25
The American press has cowered before tfg for a decade. Magoo48 Oct 2024 #26
We're all trapped in the oligarch's mad 'capture the flag' game travelingthrulife Oct 2024 #68
Freethinker65 Oct 2024 #27
"Give me liberty or not. Either way I'm good with it." mobeau69 Oct 2024 #31
I think I'll cancel my Prime subscription Farmer-Rick Oct 2024 #35
Fear or overlord greed? JT45242 Oct 2024 #37
So far as I can see, Musk is heading to a Ketamine OD. haele Oct 2024 #40
I'm hoping for that ketamine overdose sooner rather than later kimbutgar Oct 2024 #48
Very disappointed. Martin68 Oct 2024 #39
They're not 'cowering in fear'. They're PREENING IN MISOGYNY. n/t TygrBright Oct 2024 #41
They are willing to help a new Hitler gain power just to protect their bottom line. hadEnuf Oct 2024 #55
Democracy isn't "dying in darkness", it's being murdered in broad daylight. Initech Oct 2024 #42
Standing up for democracy is not a guarantee that it will hold. That's why we fight daily for it, but usonian Oct 2024 #44
A fellow traveler on Mastodon said that "Democracy Dies in the Darkness" is now WaPo's mission statement. Efilroft Sul Oct 2024 #47
Same thing happened at the LA Times ... aggiesal Oct 2024 #49
Afaic, they just endorsed Trump. miyazaki Oct 2024 #50
Afaic? ReRe Oct 2024 #58
as far as im concerned. miyazaki Oct 2024 #59
Ah ReRe Oct 2024 #60
Agree what is going on in this country? debm55 Oct 2024 #53
Welp.... ReRe Oct 2024 #56
Bezos the Coward. trmp must be grinning. spanone Oct 2024 #57
They aren't cowering in fear from Trump drmeow Oct 2024 #61
Bezos is selling a shit load of Amazon stock. He quit being CEO a while back. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2024 #63
"Cowering in fear" is exactly what I thought when Army officials.... 70sEraVet Oct 2024 #66
The term "free press" will no longer apply if Rump is voted in mdbl Oct 2024 #69
The first problem is the premise that billionaire owned press is in any way "free." Pacifist Patriot Oct 2024 #73
Lesson 1 from Tim Snyder - steps to avoid Tyranny - "Do not obey in advance" SupportSanity Oct 2024 #75
Remember, Always trust multi-billionaires. SupportSanity Oct 2024 #77
K&R Bayard Oct 2024 #78
Yep uponit7771 Oct 2024 #79

Keepthesoulalive

(2,303 posts)
6. How is it pragmatic ?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:08 PM
Oct 2024

If he’s elected he’ll go after them. He never forgets things or people he feels have wronged him, this is not good for anyone who believes in this country.

Keepthesoulalive

(2,303 posts)
29. Bezos and crew are not on our side
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:35 PM
Oct 2024

They don’t give a fig about fairness , democracy or any of the other things decent people stand for. They are the enemy. This does not bode well for any of us because we don’t know who to trust.

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
46. He also has a bunch of government contracts and he doesn't want to jeopardize just in case the orange turd
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 03:32 PM
Oct 2024

Gets back in.

Shame on Bezos, I’d love to boycott the company but they carry things you just can’t find in stores anymore.

unblock

(56,198 posts)
30. Is running away from a bee just being "practical" or "pragmatic"?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:41 PM
Oct 2024

If my wife kills me for the insurance money is that just being pragmatic because well, it would certainly help pay the bills?

Yes, you are technically correct in a denotational sense.

But throwing out the negative "fear" and replacing it with a neutral "pragmatic" is pretty much making the same mistake these two newspapers are making. We are right to condemn bezos for enabling fascism and I would hope you would join us in that.

Mr. Mustard 2023

(361 posts)
67. Their mission is to speak truth to power...
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 09:39 AM
Oct 2024

...so no it's not pragmatic. It's cowardice caused by a sociopath's (Bezos) need for power. Breaking your mission which has allowed your business to gain millions of customers in the blink of an eye isn't pragmatism, it's a loss of business acumen. In this case it's a man with so much power, he's lost touch of why he became so rich and powerful in the first place. He created a business which served his customers well. He just told his customer base he doesn't care about them. That is not pragmatism it's out of touch arrogance.

We'll see what happens, but to give your customers the middle finger is exactly why we darned liberals keep screaming that billionaires are a failure of policy and society.

TomSlick

(13,013 posts)
62. Cowardice is always the pragmatic answer.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 08:11 PM
Oct 2024

Honor, duty, and courage are never pragmatic. Standing up for democracy against wanna be tyrants is never pragmatic.

Kid Berwyn

(24,395 posts)
3. Ours acts like it's OWNED by fascists.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:04 PM
Oct 2024

Because it largely IS owned by fascists.

Otherwise, Russia Russia Russia and the missing Top Secrets of Mar a Lardo would have put Donnie the Traitor in prison long ago.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
54. Both
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:04 PM
Oct 2024

who got exceptionally humongous tax cuts by Trump and Republicans..........and hopefully for more by not displeasing Trump if he wins.........

The print media wants to play both sides, to not lose readers.....LOL None of the Trumphumpers read.....they watch Fox News.

Boy, will the U.S. Media get crushed if Trump gets in office again. He will substitute something Similar to State Owned Media in Russia, formerly called Pravda, and the print media, and much of cable, TV, Radio, etc will be out of business.......

wnylib

(26,012 posts)
7. Historian Timothy Snyder warned about giving in to
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:25 PM
Oct 2024

authoritarianism because you fear and anticipate what they might do IF they get power before they actually have it.

In his book, On Tyranny, Snyder says that giving in before the authoritarians have taken power, or before they have given a decree on something when they actually do have power, enables them to get stronger and more powerful.

He advises to go on with upholding and living your values the same as usual to make it harder for authoritarians to seize control or to exercise power even if they do manage to get control.





wnylib

(26,012 posts)
16. Yes, that's exactly what it is. And such obedience hands over
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:16 PM
Oct 2024

power on a silver platter to the authoritarians.

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
52. Italians rolled over to Mussolini without a fight.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:00 PM
Oct 2024

Germans gave in to Hitler's threat of shutting down the governnment. They imagined it would be better to give in than fight. Big mistake.

Old Okie

(221 posts)
45. Fear
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 03:32 PM
Oct 2024

Judging by how many posts here are about people afraid to admit they are Democrats; they have been very successful.

wnylib

(26,012 posts)
65. Each situation is different. Sometimes it is prudent to
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 10:40 PM
Oct 2024

avoid making yourself a target if you know that it would trigger a life threatening reaction.

In the days of the abolitionists, if you were a conductor on the underground railroad, would you make that public knowledge and harm not only yourself and your family, but also the people who put their trust in you for their safety?

Today, if your next door neighbors are unhinged, armed MAGAs intent on killing off the "enemies within" in protest of a Harris win or in support of a Trump win, would you put a Harris/Walz sign on your lawn? Or would you choose to protect your children from being harmed?

Your sign would not likely persuade people (especially not your nutty neighbors) and would only bring harm to you and yours. In the case of Bezos and the Washington Post, what he says in his newspaper has the potential for broad influence. The cost to him or to his newspaper could be financial, and that could be temporary if his endorsed candidate wins. In a worst case scenario for him, if he endorses Harris and Trump wins, he has the means to protect himself by relocating, hiring security, or leaving the country. The average citizen does not have those options. But the average citizen can donate and can vote.

We each do what we can.







wnylib

(26,012 posts)
71. Thanks. I could not play the video but I read the article.
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 10:45 AM
Oct 2024

This should be an OP where it will get more attention.

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
8. So true, cowards through and through.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 01:25 PM
Oct 2024

I am embarrassed for them, if they had a woman at the top, there would not be such cowardly behaviour.

TommyT139

(2,357 posts)
33. ...if they still had a woman at the top...
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:45 PM
Oct 2024

May Katharine Graham haunt their nightmares.

BattleRow

(2,449 posts)
24. Don't forget Helen Thomas and Hearst news
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:30 PM
Oct 2024

They drummed her out of the corps for her relentless pursuit of the truth.

PeaceWave

(3,383 posts)
17. It doesn't help that many of our media outlets are now owned by foreign nationals.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:16 PM
Oct 2024

Fox owned by an Australian national. The LA Times owned by a South African national. Tik Tok owned by a Chinese national. They aren't "cowering in fear." They're aiding and abetting.

Trust_Reality

(2,291 posts)
20. Holy crap! No wonder we have media problems.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:22 PM
Oct 2024

I only knew about FOX.
What about the Wall Street Journal?

haele

(15,399 posts)
38. Owned by Fox.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 03:04 PM
Oct 2024

So, owned by Murdoch.

Here's the big elephant in the room. Very few large "American Businesses" and "American Organizations" are American anymore.

They are owned by Investors who profit internationally and are literally removed from any national interest, because they are more used to being citizens of "the world" than citizens of their "home" city, state, or country. They can go anywhere they want to feel comfortable and not be bothered with mundane domestic issues. They can pretty much indulge in any whim they want at the spur of the moment. They can live wherever they want in the type of home they want, and hire the help they need to not get stressed out trying to manage personal life while they do what they "need to do" to keep the life they believe they deserve. Their sacrifices are minor, because they have the money to throw at whatever might trouble them and make most of their problems go away.

They're not trapped in the real world that requires most of what an average employed individual makes to just keep a roof over their head, much less sufficient food, basic utilities, medical access, or reliable communications and transportation. Where individuals have to make staggeringly hard and life-changing choices and sacrifices for either themselves or the things and people they care about. Where abject failure happens often; where that hard pavement is awfully close when one stumbles or gets pushed by external forces.
No, the ownership class doesn't really care about the basics of living ordinary people have to deal with. Heck, most of the time they don't even really care about how their businesses actually operate. For the most part, their primary concern is the profit (monetary or emotional) their product makes them - and anything that could be a liability to that profit. Everything else is a luxury they might indulge.

Haele

The Unmitigated Gall

(4,710 posts)
76. We've lost our media.
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 12:36 PM
Oct 2024

It’s been on a downward slide since Reagan, but with this news it seems to have flown off a cliff.

I won’t give them a penny.

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Magoo48

(6,721 posts)
26. The American press has cowered before tfg for a decade.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:33 PM
Oct 2024

Fearless, investigative journalism is almost extinct. Smothered by profit-mad, corporate billionaire ownership, over and over again.

travelingthrulife

(5,179 posts)
68. We're all trapped in the oligarch's mad 'capture the flag' game
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 09:49 AM
Oct 2024

A handful of people making our lives a dystopic nightmare for fun and dollar tokens.

Farmer-Rick

(12,667 posts)
35. I think I'll cancel my Prime subscription
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 02:53 PM
Oct 2024

Doing nothing IS taking a stand ...a cowardly, fearful stand, but a stand none the less.

JT45242

(4,043 posts)
37. Fear or overlord greed?
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 03:04 PM
Oct 2024

Is it because the editor is afraid or because the owner wants tax cuts?

My guess is the latter. Hell the owner could be full on fascist who does not udenrstand that fascists eventually eat and steal from their big money backers.

In the end -- all the power would devolve to Thiel or Eloon and my money is Thiel since he picked Vance... unless of course Vance becomes autonmous



haele

(15,399 posts)
40. So far as I can see, Musk is heading to a Ketamine OD.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 03:13 PM
Oct 2024

He's motivated by vanity as well as greed. Vanity will win, and he's never going to make it to the throne.
Thiel is colder; I think he's actually the stronger personality, his motivation is purely greed - for power and money.
Wouldn't be at all surprised to find out Thiel -and others we don't know about - are actually wealthier than Musk, once one includes the finances he might have hidden in the banking that's done on the Dark Web.

Haele

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
48. I'm hoping for that ketamine overdose sooner rather than later
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 03:36 PM
Oct 2024

Like how about tomorrow or in the next week!

hadEnuf

(3,616 posts)
55. They are willing to help a new Hitler gain power just to protect their bottom line.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 04:14 PM
Oct 2024

This is not the free press whatsoever. They are just money-grubbing corporate whores.

usonian

(25,320 posts)
44. Standing up for democracy is not a guarantee that it will hold. That's why we fight daily for it, but
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 03:31 PM
Oct 2024
Appeasing a madman is a SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY of death and destruction.

MADAM President, or MADMAN President.

Efilroft Sul

(4,413 posts)
47. A fellow traveler on Mastodon said that "Democracy Dies in the Darkness" is now WaPo's mission statement.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 03:32 PM
Oct 2024

miyazaki

(2,650 posts)
50. Afaic, they just endorsed Trump.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 03:49 PM
Oct 2024

- Same with the LA Times. Such stalwarts of the American Way .

ReRe

(12,189 posts)
56. Welp....
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 05:11 PM
Oct 2024

....there goes the First Amendment. He (DJT) thinks.

This is one more reason for everyone who believes in Free Speech to vote for Harris/Walz 2024!

Shame on The LAT & Wash Post.



drmeow

(5,989 posts)
61. They aren't cowering in fear from Trump
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 05:55 PM
Oct 2024

They are cowering in fear because their owners actually want Trump to win but they know if they endorse him a huge chunk of their readers will stop subscribing - because the Trump supporters don't tend to read and/or subscribe to the mainstream media!

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,283 posts)
63. Bezos is selling a shit load of Amazon stock. He quit being CEO a while back.
Fri Oct 25, 2024, 08:28 PM
Oct 2024

Amazon.com Inc (NASDAQ:AMZN) founder Jeff Bezos is selling another portion of his stake in the company, which comes years after stepping down from the CEO role.

What Happened: Bezos departed from Amazon’s c-suite in 2021, a role he held for the 27 years since the company was founded. The Amazon founder now serves as the e-commerce giant’s executive chair. He’s been selling a portion of his Amazon stake this year.

Bezos sold $8.5 billion in shares in February. A Tuesday SEC filing by Amazon shows Bezos plans on selling 25 million Amazon shares valued at $4.93 billion.

The new sale would bring Bezos’ total sold to around $13.4 billion in stock in 2024. Bezos owns around 9% of Amazon shares, according to a report from the Financial Times.

-snip/

He’s not really in charge of that company. He only owns 9% of the stock and I haven’t heard of any family members who own any stock - who can team up with him. He is no longer CEO and probably not the Chairman of the Board. The chairman of the board and board members can veto anything the CEO does and can fire them.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jeff-bezos-sell-5-billion-185303024.html#:~:text=A%20Tuesday%20SEC%20filing%20by,report%20from%20the%20Financial%20Times.


70sEraVet

(5,482 posts)
66. "Cowering in fear" is exactly what I thought when Army officials....
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 09:24 AM
Oct 2024

turned over a nearly completely redacted report on tRump's Arlington Cemetery 'visit'.
Seems like fascism has already won.

mdbl

(8,650 posts)
69. The term "free press" will no longer apply if Rump is voted in
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 10:04 AM
Oct 2024

It shows the owners of the WaPo and LATimes are just plain fascists intent on destroying our news sources.

SupportSanity

(1,582 posts)
75. Lesson 1 from Tim Snyder - steps to avoid Tyranny - "Do not obey in advance"
Sat Oct 26, 2024, 12:23 PM
Oct 2024

Fear is a great motivator. Endorse Kamala but Trump wins?
Avoiding the dilemma creates another dilemma.
Better to piss off everyone else but certainly don't piss off Trump.

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