Excuse me, but why do you think canceling WaPo subscriptions is helpful? Putting some of

[sinkingfeeling]

America's best journalists out of a job won't fix a billionaire owner's refusal to endorse Harris. And unless you're willing to give up buying from Amazon, you're not hurting Bezos.

Just my opinion.

[servermsh]

1. IMHO, no Democrat should subscribe to oligarch-run newspapers

Money should go to independent media or media that doesn't behave like the WashPo just did.

[iemanja]

4. So no news at all?

There isn't a newspaper that isn't controlled by a rich man or a corporation. Refusing to read reliable news is a good way to remain uninformed.

Better not click on any articles on this site then.

Meanwhile, many DUers watch cable news all the time, as though that's not controlled by oligarchs.

[Yavin4]

7. Pro Publica

Pro Publica, Inc., is a nonprofit investigative journalism organization based in New York City.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProPublica

[iemanja]

9. Okay, that leaves one news source.

that is rarely posted on DU. People will continue to watch and read oligarch-controlled news all day long.

[Yavin4]

11. There are also all kinds of independent journalists on substack, podcasts, and YouTube channels.

We're surrounded by information. You don't need to support oligarch-controlled news.

[iemanja]

12. LOL

I said reliable news. Who do you think owns YouTube?

[Yavin4]

22. YouTube still allows for independent voices.

Also, there's Twitch, Instagram, TikTok, and others. You can find independent news almost any where.

[iemanja]

24. All owned by corporations

[LeftInTX]

35. ProPublica is great, but it isn't news

They're investigative journalism and it often takes them months to write articles.
They certainly don't candidates.

[leftieNanner]

30. The Seattle Times is still family owned

Very good newspaper.

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. The Guardian, NPR, PBS, the BBC ...

[jrthin]

2. Every bit helps. Further, I have no problem putting

America's "best journalists" out of work if they are going to help Bezos destroy this country by publishing "sane washing" bothersiderism journalism.

[iemanja]

6. What makes you think they are "helping'? They have no control over the matter

Do you tell your boss to fuck off?

[Mr.Bill]

18. Yes, numerous times.

I may have retired poorer than I could have, but until I retired I had no problem finding work.

[jrthin]

19. Yes, if my boss is doing unethical things.

[iemanja]

20. Can you tell me about that incident?

And if you kept your job?

[jrthin]

21. I was responding to a hypothetical. Still, I'd like to think

that I would not lose my values for a paycheck. I stand w/those editors at the LA Times who have resigned. Their actions were in essence a fuck off to their boss.

[iemanja]

23. A paycheck enables one to survive

Exist, not die. That means something to me. Though I work in the non-profit sector. At nearly 63, I wouldn't be able to get another job if I were fired. Living does mean a lot to me.

[kcr]

40. You seem awfully invested

In demanding DUers consume news media they have no interest in. Frankly, it's a little weird. And your contention that these media outlets you deem acceptable are the only ones available is false.

[iemanja]

41. I'm pointing about that media is by nature owned by corporations

We live in a capitalist nation. That fact seems to have escaped people. Pretending cancelling WaPo avoids reading oligarch-owned news is ridiculous. Look at the posts around DU and think about who owns the sites and venues they link to. Many of the alternatives pointed out are also owned by corporations. YouTube is owned by Google, Instagram is owned by Meta, aka Facebook. I seriously doubt you restrict your news consumption to the few sources not owned by corporations or oligarchs. That would be extremely difficult. Also, given the high-level of TV consumption of many on this site, the biggest media conglomerates of all, the notion that they are avoiding corporate news seems ridiculous.

I happen to think good print news is better than TV or the infotainment sites some prefer. Others prefer Elon Musk's Twitter, or Google's YouTube, and the megacorps that owned their favorite cable news shows. All are capitalist, some are shyte. There are a few good non-profit sources, but even many of those are supported by corporate advertising. That is sadly the nature of the economy and society we live in.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

42. If I may butt in to this sub-thread for a moment

"...demanding DUers..." drop subscriptions to news media and Amazon services some of us may NEED, is a lot weird.

The bullying and diminishing of others' opinions is disturbing and ugly.

[Quiet Em]

3. It is not ok to normalize what is happening.

A message needs to be sent.

[HAB911]

5. Cancelling PRIME is next

bring back local business

[Iris]

8. this

[Scrivener7]

29. Prime is a ripoff. If you buy $35 of merchandise, you still get the free delivery.

And it takes 3 days instead of 2.

[eShirl]

32. it's also a video subscription like netflix

I cancelled it last week when I finished Rings of Power S2

[pecosbob]

10. I don't do business with Amazon, or Xitter, or Facebook. I won't support those who wish to subvert our government.

This is one election where sitting on the fence is aiding and abetting the bad guys, folks.

[FrankBooth]

13. So, just do nothing?

Let Bezos interfere and kibosh the endorsement after he said he would never interfere with editorial decisions? And just ignore that he sent out his Rupert Murdoch-tainted henchman to gaslight readers with an utterly disingenuous explanation about why they did it? Great idea, that'll show 'em.

And if you don't think 20-30K people dropping the paper matters, well, I disagree.

Their fucking motto, on their masthead, is 'Democracy Dies in Darkness.' You can either take that seriously or not.

[Bev54]

14. There are a lot of good news sites out there that will publish truth, not bullshit by some of their writers.

A lot of good reporters have already made their way to other sites such as Pro-Publica, The New Republic, Just Security, Lawfare and so many others.

[Demsrule86]

15. I am not reading the crap put out by the Times or Post.

[Jirel]

16. "America's best journalists?" Please.

WaPo has been busy normalizing Dump all year. It doesn’t matter how “good” the journalists are who do it. They take the pay to use those talents against the public interest. So fine - let them lose their jobs.

[RidinWithHarris]

17. It probably doesn't make much impact. I did it anyway, and am at least sending the saved money to The Guardian

Putting more money behind responsible media is probably much more effective than canceling subscriptions to sell-out media alone.

[Baggies]

25. Feel good

There’s other names it’s called, some expressing attributes like virtue and sending a message.

[Ocelot II]

26. It's like any other product. I won't buy it if I don't like how the business operates.

[Mz Pip]

27. The owners can rethink this move

I’ll be happy to resubscribe if they do the right thing.

[elleng]

28. They do what they do for $$$ and power, and We the People can keep such FROM them,

by removing our support.

[RockRaven]

31. To avoid poisoning your brain while fooling yourself into thinking that you

are being well informed.

The mask is off, the pretense of serving the public interest is laid bare as a pretense.

One can no longer deny that if you rely upon WaPo to understand what is happening in the world you will be delusional because WaPo tells you that which the owner wants it to tell you and doesn't tell you that which he doesn't want it to tell you... AND you're gonna pay twelve bucks a month for the privilege of your own abjection?

[Sparkly]

33. I'll cancel tomorrow -- give them the next month so I can read election night coverage.

After that, hope the writers can reach me another way, or I'll find them another way. Or I'll find new writers through new publications or websites.

[GenThePerservering]

34. Not everything is convenient

get a spine.

[gryan]

36. washington post

other than Jennifer Rubin, Dana Milbank and Eugene Robinson the only reason I read the post anymore was for the comments...especially for the comments on the ridiculous screeds from Hugh Hewitt, Marc Theissen, Matt Bai, Kathleen Parker, George Will, Megan McArdle...etc. etc etc I think I can live without that shit.

[Emile]

38. Piss poor management deserves to be punished.

[Passages]

39. Elie Mystal @ElieNYC: I'm getting sick of people saying "cancelling subscriptions hurts the writers

Link to tweet

We have a concentration of media power since the Telecommunication Act of 1996.

Bezos is one of its consequences.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

43. I'm with you

All this over a non-endorsement makes me wonder what the fallout would be if the WP had endorsed Slobby.

Of course people should do what they need to do, cancel subscriptions to news and Prime, poke hot needles into Bezos voodoo dolls, but bullying fellow Democrats and DUers is NOT cool.

IMO poking hot needles into Bezos voodoo dolls will be more effective and probably more emotionally satisfying than cancelling the WP and/or Amazon Prime.

[bif]

44. Same folks who scream about how bad the NYT is

[Lulu KC]

45. I think this is different

I am not one who screams about NYT, so maybe I don't know that way of thought. NYT did endorse Harris, as I am sure you know, which kind of surprised me based on what they put on page one every day.

I'm not seeing this as really about the newspaper as much as about what it reflects about the owner and the billionaire oligarch model and the connection to fascism. I know NYT also has owners we might not want to hang out with, but Bezos is in a different league. It's not just WP; it's Amazon, too, and Whole Foods, etc. It's asking that city in the Netherlands to take down their bridge so his boat could get through (forgetting details right now). It's the whole Bezos package.

It's also solidarity with actual journalists who want to practice journalism. He and his henchmen have dismissed their expertise and wisdom.

I will miss WaPo. I just cancelled Amazon Prime, which has become way too much of my life.

[republianmushroom]

46. Because the owner is only interest in one thing and that is the bottom line, money.

Subscribers equal money, no subscribers, no ads, therefor no money.