The stark reality that most white men refuse to vote for a woman. Any woman.

[CousinIT]

From Ari Melber (who I don't usually watch, but my hands were full of salad stuff fixing dinner, and this came on - and then I wanted to throw the salad at the damn TV)

is the matter with white men? Other men don't have these issues.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari/watch/see-trump-s-nightmare-for-losing-tied-race-melber-breaks-down-harris-obama-coalition-data-222731845679

[Think. Again.]

1. I agree those stats are ugly...

But that poll does not state that most white men would refuse to vote for any women, the poll only states that less than half of the white men who were asked support Harris over trump.

[CousinIT]

3. Melber also said it was the same for Hillary

Most white men would not vote for her. The whole segment is online at the link.

So that's two very different women most white men would not vote for.

A pattern isn't proof but -- it is a pattern.

[Think. Again.]

6. No, you see, the question was whether those men supported Harris or trump...

...they were never even asked about whether they would vote based on the sex of the candidate.

[Lonestarblue]

31. Most men would not confess that they would not vote for a candidate because she is a woman.

They would find another excuse.

[edisdead]

38. Based on what data?

You may be right but you are just throwing out an opinion and stating it as fact. That does nothing to help anything.

[soldierant]

75. As they did in 2016.

"Sure, I'd vote for a woman - but not THIS woman,."

[spooky3]

50. Look at what they do/did, not what they say they would do

Around 35% of white men voted for Clinton; a higher percentage voted for Biden. Given that policies across Democratic candidates are pretty similar, in contrast to Trump’s, and Trump was the opponent each time, If we see a percentage in the 30s for Harris, at the very least it should raise questions about willingness to vote for any woman.

[LiberalFighter]

78. There was a twenty four - twenty eight years time difference between Clinton and Biden

How men perceive women can change over time.

It likely won't have much impact with men when religious beliefs are a factor.

I don't know which major religions don't treat women equally.

I'm sure there are some in the less than known.

[spooky3]

89. But the point is that several observers are seeing a problem in 2024

as well. And it’s based in data.

[LiberalFighter]

98. But how has it changed or not changed with views of men towards women?

[spooky3]

99. I've provided answers to this elsewhere in the thread. Nt

[OLDMDDEM]

5. I wonder if they would vote for their own wife, if she were running.

[Think. Again.]

8. Exactly, the poll asked about 2 candidates, it didn't ask if they would not vote for someone only because they're female

[spooky3]

55. Researchers have long known about the "social desirability effect"

And other factors that make us question how accurately people self report. For example, it is more desirable or acceptable to say “I would not unfairly discriminate against anyone” than to say “I refuse to vote for a woman.” So some people will say the “right” thing than admit that they would do the undesirable thing. Other people really don’t know what they would do, when push comes to shove. So we need to watch what people do rather than what they say they would, wherever possible.

[Think. Again.]

93. Unfortunately, most polls require people to "say" their answer, not "do" it.

[spooky3]

96. This is one reason why Pew's Verified Voter studies

are important.

[bdamomma]

2. Some white men

have a true disdain for women capabilities. They don't particularly care for intelligent smart women, no matter what race they are. Sad and unfortunate for them, it's time we move forward because WE ARE NOT GOING BACK!!!!!!!!!

[Joinfortmill]

29. Amen

[edisdead]

39. And some people will ascribe whatever they believe about most men

And state it as fact.

[spooky3]

87. Look at the Pew Validated voter studies for 2016 and 2020

For evidence.

And there is a ton of more general evidence of sexism and misogyny document in research literatures.

[thucythucy]

101. I believe the poster you are responding to said "some,"

not "most."

You actually dispute that at least some men won't vote for a woman because she's a woman?

[Trueblue1968]

59. Women haters. Totally disgusting in my opinion.

[Ferrets are Cool]

4. This OLD, WHITE man is voting BLUE.

[multigraincracker]

14. So is this old Pinkish Gray guy.

[TwilightZone]

7. Specific woman, not any woman.

The obvious is being ignored re: that poll. Racism could also be playing a factor where Harris is concerned.

"Other men don't have these issues."

If the other 28% of black men support Trump, that's a problem.

[Think. Again.]

9. Thank you, this OP is mixing things up a bit.

[2naSalit]

10. They have held...

And preserved with wars, their dominion over women and, by their self constructed gawd, they will die and/or kill everyone else to keep that power.

This is why women are taking over and it's going to happen in the next couple years simply because of misogyny dominating everything. And look what it got us, the whole biosphere is crumbling because women were never included in decision making and power.

That shit is OVER.

[liberalla]

42. As usual women will have to clean up the mess.

And as you say, it didn't have to come to this.

[2naSalit]

43. Yup.

[LauraInLA]

48. Hate to be argumentative, but even as a graduate of a hardcore women's college TM ;) I find the

idea that women politicians etc will automatically do better/fix things dangerously naive etc. I’m sure we can all come up with examples, not limited to Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, Phyllis Schlafly.

I’m putting on my flame-proof suit now .

[littlemissmartypants]

52. Virginia Foxx. eom

[LauraInLA]

54. Yes, great example! And it's not only conservative women -- disfunction is not dependent on gender ;(.

And as someone else pointed out, these women can perpetuate the cycle as they raise their children.

I don’t doubt women running the world might make different mistakes than men do and have. But I’m pretty sure we’d still make mistakes.

[littlemissmartypants]

58. I'd rather live in a world...

Representative of ALL genders. Not just in a world where one is pitted against another. ❤️

[Dem4life1234]

11. We know this

Should Biden have picked a dude or something as VP? What's the point of this?

Where are the dudes who could match the charisma and energy levels of Kamala? Obama is a once in a million candidate, few people have those types of charisma.

Kamala never played the gender card, she is exciting, energizing, and very smart.

F those misogynistic idiots, hopefully the younger people and women for her back.

[BluesRunTheGame]

12. Women have been elected to state-wide offices in some pretty conservative states.

Off the top of my head: Haley in SC. Martz in MT. Sanders in AR. Ivey in AL.

I’m guessing a lot of white guys voted for them.

[CousinIT]

21. Probably if Harris was a Republican/MAGA they would vote for her.

We could say it's the MAGA conservatism, not misogyny. It's probably both.

[yardwork]

24. Those are all conservative women who go along with patriarchy.

[CousinIT]

26. I still can't get my mind around it.

I guess they think their MAGA men will protect them.

[Diamond_Dog]

13. Many men just don't want to be ruled over by a woman.

Back in my dad’s day they called it “hen-pecked”.

Sometimes it’s hard for me to believe it’s the year 2024.

[multigraincracker]

15. There are even women voting for him.

Go figure.

[CousinIT]

19. THAT is another WTF for me...

...I don't get it. Why vote against your own best interests and your own human rights?

[multigraincracker]

33. Lack of critical thinking.

[spooky3]

57. Internalized misogyny. Nt

[CousinIT]

17. Yep. And that is a position I believe many white guys still hold.

I know people want to say "Oh it was about this SPECIFIC woman, not all women!"

We know better. Case in point: all of human history and particularly US history.

[muriel_volestrangler]

16. Only 40% of white men voted for President Biden in 2020

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

(Hispanic men 57%, Black men 87%)

The main stupidity of lots of white American men is their politics, though some are also sexist.

[CousinIT]

18. Good info. Thank you. I still have to ask

is with so many of the white guys?

[valleyrogue]

22. They are afraid of losing their unearned privilege.

Most of these guys are unaware of just how privileged they are. It is just taken for granted that they are dominant.

It was all handed to them. Now that there is competition for jobs and political power, they get all butthurt.

[standingtall]

47. I would like to see a breakdown of the locality of white male voters

How many are urban white men? How many are suburban White men? How many are rural White men?

I'm no polling expert, but if I had to bet urban White voters vote Democratic significantly more then the other 2 groups and I even believe
that number would be on the plus side of 50%. We are probably losing in suburbs and getting crushed with rural white males.

Also think there are more White voters that agree with our positions that we aren't getting to the polls for whatever reason. Their not properly motivated,think their too busy or their too lazy or their just contrarians.

There also may be some Democratic rural White men who leave in deep red States in deep red counties that don't show up to vote, because their not going to win anything.


I'm aware the same could be said of all groups and like to see those numbers, but I've heard that type of polling is hard to do and very expensive.

[spooky3]

62. But only 33% of them voted for Clinton.

One of my problems with that segment on Ari’s show was that they didn’t make comparisons that might have changed the takeaways. As another example, polls suggest that 73% of black men said they support Harris. He and his guest correctly noted that this is far higher than the percent of white men, etc. However, his guest then went too far, to chastise Obama for calling out SOME black men for not supporting Harris. But Obama saw that (a) in his own conversations he saw a reluctance to support her and (b) in 2020, 87% of black men supported Biden. He was questioning what is happening with that ~ 10-15% of black men’s support, especially now that TFG is even less capable and more dangerous.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

[CousinIT]

71. Yes. Good point.

There is some reluctance among black men to vote for a woman too, but it's not as bad as the white guys.

[travelingthrulife]

111. They think Democrats are throwing away their white male privilege by making them share

with those 'others'. It's about losing power and privilege.

The new fangled Christianity of MAGA reinforces their goal of men being Kings of their personal fiefdom.
Any male that expresses empathy and concern for others is 'weak' to them. Biden is a well rounded person so he displays all of those things and more.
I used to call it the Alan Alda effect. The actor displayed empathy, concern, anti-war thoughts, even cried, etc. when he played in the tv show 'Mash' and men just seemed to hate it. I remember many comments about his femininity.

[yardwork]

20. Thank you for posting this.

I hear Black men being blamed. My response is always, "What's wrong with the white men?!"

[CousinIT]

25. That was the overarching argument of the segment: Don't blame the black guys!

They are not the issue. The numbers were presented to prove it.

[Sympthsical]

30. Heretics are often more derided than nonbelievers.

At least with non-belief, they're outside the tent. You didn't have them in the first place, so it kind of matters less.

But someone within the group saying they think the group is wrong - that's more dangerous. That kind of thinking can spread. It's being espoused by someone others within the group might find sympathetic or worth listening to to.

Heresy is stamped out with extreme prejudice because of the unique threat it poses to the continuity and authority of the group.

So people tend to focus on those things. White guys not voting for a Democrat? What else is new. Another demographic considered the Democratic base showing potential problems? All hands on deck, summon the priest and the inquisitor, we're getting into it.

Humans are always this way. Politics. Religion. Even hobbies, lol. I watch Star Wars fans and the various degrees of gatekeeping, anger, and tribalism and think, "Y'all are being weird about this."

[yardwork]

85. Or LOTR.

How dare they make movies out of the Sacred Canon!

Anyway, your explanation tracks with what I hear. When I bring up the problem of white male voters being Republican, it's dismissed. "Oh they're a lost cause..."

My response is why?! Why do white people get that privilege. I'm asking as a lily white boomer. People within groups can be powerful revolutionaries. I'm not, but at least I'll speak up.

[Sympthsical]

95. I think there's a bit of nuance to it

"White men are a lost cause," often translates to, "White men aren't receptive to what I'm saying to them."

And - if we're being totally 100% honest - that is true of a lot of people on our team. I would never - in the history of ever - trust a lot of people I know to go canvas in spaces that are predominantly white men.

Because it's not about to be a conversation. It's going to rapidly shift into a tribunal and discussing "what's wrong with you"

And then they return, hands thrown in the air, "Well I don't know why they just don't listen!"

And I'm just sitting there like, "Really? You have no idea why? Total mystery? K. That's exactly why we shouldn't have sent you."

It's just how we set up the battle lines. Even on DU, you can't really move five feet until you slip on, "The reason white people suck is . . ."

And look. I'm not particularly invested in being white. My identity revolves more around being LGBT, progressive, and my hobbies and interests. I have no particular interest or tribal attachment to my race. But there are times where people decide they're going to have a free for all at people like me, and it's like, "Jesus. You really don't know how racist you're being to me right now, do you? Is what's coming out of your mouth just not registering at all?"

It's a problem. But I don't think it's a problem people are particularly interested in solving at this point in time. Could you imagine the response if someone suggested that maybe - just maybe - there's a problem with the rhetoric we aim at white people generally and white men specifically? That there's a reason that group isn't super receptive to what we have to say?

We'd need restraints and washcloths for the aftermath.

[BaronChocula]

65. "Nothing is wrong with white men"

That seems to be the prevailing notion. The majority of white men support a white nationalist fascist rapist, but don't get called out for it. A sliver of black men voice support for him and it's a news item.

I join you in pointing this out to people.

[CousinIT]

73. YES.

That's some white privilege and a massive double standard right there.

[BaronChocula]

90. What I call the white man's pass

And the more conservative-identifying the white man, the bigger the pass. If the ghost of Robert E. Lee ran today, he'd have a good shot at winning.

[Dem4life1234]

23. And who raised them?

[SunSeeker]

61. The "village" they live in.

As a mom of a white male, I can assure you I taught him to respect women. But every day, he goes out into a world that does not. As Hillary said, it takes a village. Sadly, that village is often a bad parent.

[Trust_Reality]

70. Let's assume this poster is not blaming mothers for raising sons who became misogynists.

(I'm an old white guy.)
Maybe a lot of males are so insecure they just follow the loud mouth in their group. And, of course, we know the loud mouth is the one with too much separation between his mouth and brain.

[Joinfortmill]

27. Yup, thank God this mom's son & grandson are voting

for the GIRL!

[JanMichael]

28. I honestly don't understand my gender.

I guess I was never "bro" enough.

[CousinIT]

72. Tell you what. Those of you who get it are valued. Please don't think you are not!

[JanMichael]

105. Thank you but I was kind of joking about not being bro enough

Most of the a holes that don't like Harris never wrestled or played baseball or was a starting pitcher and catcher or played soccer the last 2 years in high school. Also a lot of them are incels and I never had that issue.

I could generally out bro most of the so called bros. However at my age now I don't care anymore.

[brush]

32. It's ok. We're still gonna beat the convict.

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[liberal N proud]

34. Honestly, I think they fear a powerful woman

Many years ago, I had my first of many female managers. One of the guys who I worked with felt threatened by her, I found it refreshing. She moved on and up in the company, but it stuck with me how many didn’t want a woman in charge.

More recently, I needed a new doctor as my previous doctor retired, a female doctor took over his practice, but not his patients. When I scheduled an appointment, the office called me and asked me if I had a problem with a woman as my doctor. All I care is that my doctor is knowledgeable and compassionate.

I don’t get the prejudice many have.

[Tweedy]

35. That just looks like noise

Mr. Trump won men of European descent before. He did not win nearly seventy percent of them. He will not this time either.

Listen and talk to your friends and neighbors. We are going to win this thing.

[kimbutgar]

36. I laugh remembering the guy earlier this year who said he wouldn't vote for a woman because she doesn't

Have balls to scratch. He was talking about Nikki Hailey.

But I suspect this mentality is prevalent. I guess Mama didn’t give them the love they needed as a child . My mother used to say see how a man treats his Mother and that’s how he’ll treat you ! She was right my first husband didn’t get along with his mother. While my husband of 35 years now is a mama’s boy. After meeting her I saw he was marriage material.

[enigmania]

37. My wife and I

just voted for Harris (and all Dems on ballot).

[askyagerz]

40. More about the echo chamber they live in

I grew up in rural white man country. They definitely stuck in their own isolation most of the time. The shit they say in the bars is disgusting but that's the world they live in. Tribalism reigns supreme.
The question is if Nikki Haley and kamala were on the ballot would they just not vote?
I think a lot wouldn't but not the majority.
Plus they see Trump as anti hero to a dying way of life so there is loyalty there that prob skewers that poll

[murielm99]

45. I live in a rural county, and I have worked

in local Democratic politics most of my life. I have seen enough misogyny from white Democratic men to make me sick. When the women are providing the most leadership at that level, it is even worse.

[MotownPgh]

97. I have news for you about how men

talk about women in all bars.

[askyagerz]

106. Not true at all

I've lived in both worlds. Trust me the redder the county the worse it gets. Used to be in bands so have seen a lot of them.
I dont think ive heard one misogynistic thing in the large, very blue town I have lived in for the last 8 years though. Men act way different then from where I grew up

[surfered]

41. From watching the Harris Campaign, they're not only worried about white men.

Breaking thru the glass ceiling is difficult, but if it doesn’t happen against this narcissistic sociopath, then it will never happen. He is a detestable, doddering , demented dotard.

[orangecrush]

44. Bullshit

Sorry.

[Picaro]

46. As a white man

I can attest that these numbers are probably accurate. White men are the core problem in this country.

I am deeply ashamed of my demographic.

[Trust_Reality]

77. Me too. Not sure I am deeply ashamed, but definitely embarrassed and disappointed.

[NNadir]

49. I'm not sure I believe that. I'm not defending my demographic, which generally sucks politically, but we're not...

...overwhelmingly dumb asses.

[3Hotdogs]

51. The premise is wrong. Nikki got votes from white men.

[spooky3]

64. OP didn't say ALL white men. And we know from Pew Validated Voter

Studies that white men (especially those without college degrees) are FAR more likely to support TFG than the Dem candidate, and this is the demographic group that is the most Trump-favorable.

For example, see https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/ .

[Trust_Reality]

80. Obviously it is too many of us.

[onecaliberal]

53. Then we will stop voting for them.

[littlemissmartypants]

56. Maybe it's not just who they don't vote for but...

Do they even vote at all?



I'm thinking overall engagement is a piece of the puzzle, too.

❤️

[SunSeeker]

60. Racism and misogyny. nt

[MiHale]

63. Kinda a broad brush...

What about all the women in state government? White male here…73 so I hit all the marks…old, white, male, oh yeah, very rural.
I have voted for women governors, senators, representatives in federal and state…I have voted for women at the local level and non-partisan.

My vote is in and I have voted for a woman yet again.

But now I realize it’s about presidential elections…of which there were only two, with one not decided yet.

[CousinIT]

69. You're in that 36%. Don't underestimate how much you guys are appreciated!

Respect.

[Trust_Reality]

83. I'm in that 36%. And thank you for saying this!

Very much appreciated.

[live love laugh]

66. Bullshit .... Plenty of white men are pledging their support for Harris. Republican polls are fictitious.

[GaYellowDawg]

67. Fragility

I think it's a reasonable maxim that privilege results in fragility. And white men have by far the most privilege. They can't handle anyone but them being in charge.

[Beck23]

68. It's simple

White male supremacy.

[appleannie1]

74. I keep reading things like this-but

I keep seeing white men showing up at the Democratic office where I am volunteering asking for buttons, signs and some even for bumper stickers. Yesterday it was a white man that was making phone calls along with the women. They are saying the same thing about older white women and I have found that since we remember how bad it was before Roe V Wade that we are not only going to vote for Harris, we are the ones volunteering to help the most.

[CousinIT]

82. GREAT! I'm glad to hear that!

I'd LOVE for the stupid poll to be wrong.

[DallasNE]

76. A Further Split Between

Straight and gay would have been informative as well.

[Charlie Chapulin]

79. This white man voted for her.

[CousinIT]

81. THANK YOU!

RESPECT.

[OnDoutside]

84. Are there any numbers for white women ?

[PatrickforB]

86. Well I'm a white male who will be 66 in a few weeks. So I'm on the younger end of the Baby Boom.

That said, I'm not only all in for Harris. This time (every time, actually, since 1992), I voted straight blue, right down the line. Because I'm not JUST this one thing - and aging white guy. I'm also an economist with 16 years of progressive knowlege about policies and their effects, and before that was a vocational guidance counselor. Most successful people I have known in life, male and female, are successful because of their values, and because they are mission-driven. By that, I mean they work to provide some real benefit to those around them, not merely to grasp at coins.

And I did not vote AGAINST Trumpy, but FOR Harris because I think she will be a fine president.

That said, generational factors may have a bearing here. My dad, who was a WWII gen guy, NEVER EVER would have voted for a woman. My ex-FIL, who was like a second father to me, would likely have supported a woman, provided her policy positions were agreeable to him, BUT he was seduced by AM talk radio and became a rabid anti-Clinton guy. He passed in '03, but would never have voted for Clinton, and likely would have been propagandized into supporting Trump had he lived to see 2016.

I grew up with sit-coms like All in the Family, Mary Tyler Moore and others that reflected the movement of our society toward more equity, diversity and inclusion. My career field is female dominated, and even was when I started in the late 1980s. But women in my age group nearly always had stories of octopus bosses and just horrible stuff that happened to them back in the 70s and 80s.

The baby boomers, many of them, were seduced by lust for power and wealth, and so have done nearly irreparable damage to the very earth on which we live. GenX, the Millennials, GenZ - all of them have different lenses, different watershed events that have shaped their world view.

My son is 39 now. He disliked Biden because he felt like he was too old, and Trump because he is an immoral dirt-bag con artist. When Harris entered the race, he was delighted. Most Millennials, and for sure GenZs don't differentiate based on gender, LGBTQ+, race, ethnicity or disability. Whether they are male or female, doesn't matter. They care about gun control, abortion access, housing costs, inflation, health care, student debt and the climate.

It is too bad that older white men seem to have this issue, and when we say 'white men' this may be because of who the pollsters can get to answer their phones. Because who among the Millennials an GenZ even has a land line? Who among them will answer a spam call on their mobiles? So these younger Americans, male or female or non-binary, are much less likely to be reflected in a poll.

Sad that white guys seem to be stupid about voting for Trumpy instead of Harris, but I believe younger white men are rather dramatically underrepresented in this polling data.

[valleyrogue]

104. Misogynistic voting patterns have nothing to do with being a baby boomer.

Most of this is coming from younger male voters who think they were "robbed" of all the opportunities of their fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, and so on down the line.

Who do you think is following Andrew Tate? Who do you think is following Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, and religious whackos like Joel Webbon? Hint: It isn't baby boomers.

It's the same old shit of the "hard hats" of the 1960s. This has nothing to do with baby boomers. I suppose you actually believe they put Reagan in the White House. Hint: They didn't. Their parents and grandparents did. They also didn't "destroy the earth."

[RidinWithHarris]

88. No doubt many white men have a problem with women leaders, but I think many have a bigger problem with Democrats

Biden's support if he were still running wouldn't be much higher.

If we still had Biden, but he were running against a MAGA women like Kristi Noem (perhaps minus the dog shooting thing, perhaps not), Noem would definitely being doing a lot better with white men.

[Metaphorical]

91. Putting this into perspective

In studying demographics of voting in the last several cycles, one thing that I notice is that white men are voting less and less. The Incel "movement" for instance has a lot of younger white men who are perfectly happy savaging any woman around them, but THEY ARE NOT SHOWING UP AT THE BALLOT BOX. They aren't mailing in their ballots, they simply do not care about voting. The hardcore male MAGAts are convinced that the gobrmnt has either already predetermined the winner so their vote won't count, or are expecting the call to go on wild rampages in the next American Civil War so don't see that voting matters. Male evangelists do vote, but that (older) demographic is sinking dramatically.

I think the more significant number to pay attention to is the percentage of male Latino voters - 53% of male Latinos voting for Harris is actually pretty impressive, and probably indicates that support among Latino women is considerably higher.

[CNYHarris]

92. False premise

These MAGA voters would vote for MAGA female candidates.

The stark reality is the media such as MSNBC have allowed the Republicans to project the deep state onto Democrats, so the deceived "anti-government patriots" believe Trump is small government and an isolationist.

Trump views Washington as a corporation and wants the American corporation to defeat rival and foe corporations with tariffs and economic war or bombing Mexico/China in a hot war. Trump is no isolationist. Mexican males (in Mexico and US) are also fooled on Putin "fighting the deepstate" (believe BRICS is "fighting the deep state" ). The young male population believe you need to defeat the deepstate Democrats with authoritarianism to return America to a democracy. The reason why the young male population believe this - the media.

In the 1990s, Yeltsin was surrounded by actual cia agents that ran Russia and told Yeltsin what to do. This was said by multiple sources in the Kremlin.

Trump and Putin's relationship dates back to the mid 1990s.

Yeltsin made the decision to appoint Putin as successor. Meaning the cia vetted the decision to appoint Putin as the successor to Yeltsin as the cia were running the Kremlin with Yeltsin.

The Russian Oligarchs and Russian Mafia were linked to Putin and the cia/Republicans. Trump did money laundering for the Russian criminals.

Tony Blair after the cia were kicked out of the Kremlin, said it was the job of the Prime Minister of the UK to like Mr. Putin, showing the mi6 and cia approved of Putin. The Putin vs the deepstate was as fraudulent as the Trump repeat with the fake "Trump vs the deepstate".

cia controller George W Bush (the Bush family ran the cia as their own personal fiefdom for decades) said of Putin after Putin kicked the cia out of the Kremlin, I could see Putin's soul and approved.

These are completely verifiable facts.

Meaning Trump and Putin are the cia Republican MAGA/PNAC/neocon deepstate.

The Republicans have fooled the young male population starting with the Sarah Palin Tea Party. And the media never expose the Tea Party as a fraud, never exposed Trump as a fraud populist that is part of the billionaire wall street country club Republican oligarchs of Washington. Notice how most of the Republicans/pro-neocons morphed into "anti-government fraud populists", a total con, to project the deepstate onto Democrats. And the media is completely silent about it.

The corporate media never exposes Trump as a con artist, a fraud isolationist, a fraud populist because the corporate media does not care if one of their own - Trump - wins again.

[moniss]

94. The ugly truth is that

a huge percentage of men in families impart this garbage to their sons by the words and attitudes the father uses about the mother and various relationship/financial/life matters when it's just the father and son in the garage, at the store etc. Kids pick up on the "ranking of power and perceived ability" pretty quick. Sometimes fathers will resort to other ways to "bring the sons along" so to speak. If a son shows an inclination toward the mother sometimes the father will be more harsh on that son and it can include emotional belittling and telling the kid to "man up" and other such crap. But it happens in a variety of ways both through the father and through peers, media, music etc. Some fathers bribe the kids with treats while they give a "recitation" of how they see things.

Of course not all Dads are like this but in talking to friends over the years these kinds of things are very common.

[CousinIT]

109. I saw that in my own family. n/t

[alarimer]

100. Misogyny is alive and well

Deeply ingrained in how men of many races are socialized. Some cultures are worse than others, but religion has a lot to do with it. ALL religions are poison.

[RussBLib]

102. ...and what role does religion play?

...besides just straight-up misogyny and good 'ol boy bullshit?

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

[CousinIT]

108. Men interpret the Bible as saying women are to be obedient, and are the cause of all strife

"Wives obey your husbands", blah blah

And the whole Adam & Eve thing - all blame goes onto Eve for destroying the world because of her sin. "Gawd" punished her by making childbirth difficult and painful.

I've heard men say this, i.e., women are evil, and so on.

Many (incl some women) interpret the Bible that way. Was it meant that way when written (probably by some men)? I have no idea, but that's how many of the men who, by the way, run the world interpret it. And many insist that our government and courts enforce our laws in keeping with their interpretation.

So...that.

[PJMcK]

103. I'm a white man

A lot of my kind sucks.

The graph is just proof of what I’ve seen lost of my adult life.

[drmeow]

107. How many white men

said they were willing to vote for Nicki Haley for President?

Harris is a woman of color. Clinton was vilified in the press for 20 years - and don't think that kind of negative propaganda doesn't stick. Both women are Democrats.

This is an overgeneralization of data. There is insufficient data to be able to draw this conclusion.

[forthemiddle]

110. This is just silly

Who did most white men vote for when Sarah Huckabee Sanders won? Who did most white men vote for when Kristi Noem won, who did most white men vote for when Niki Haley won?
It’s not women white men won’t vote for, it’s Democrats.

[CousinIT]

112. You could be right.

I can't disagree.