General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI still can't believe that this election is this close. That this nation may...
elect a convicted convict who tried to overthrow the government four years ago, and on top o that the criminal is almost 80 and in obvious mental decline.
And let's just say it, time and again we hear that Black and Latino men are a big part of the reason as their percentage of support for the Democratic Party nominee is lower than in 2020, while the real culprits are white men who overwhelmingly voted for trump in 2016, 2020 and now are polling strongly for trump again.
White women to a lesser extent also have supported trump.
Everyone talk to your relattives, friends and whoever to try to get them to see what a clear danger to the nation the convict and wannabe dictator is.
This just can't be happening. I do have a feeling that the pollsters and MSM/cable media have hyped the close-as-a-whisper, horse race narrative to keep the ad revenue coming in, but it's really not as close as they say/
But let's keep on talking to male friends and relatives. We are not that sick to elect the orange convict again.
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
calimary
(88,863 posts)
Tribetime
(7,030 posts)
Abolishinist
(2,878 posts)a real WINNER! I have to say, this site is really not friendly to 'us'.
(full disclosure, I'm a 65+ white male)
brush
(61,033 posts)are not who were talking about. I didn't think that had to be explained.
Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)I am a white man.
I know that I am very much in the minority of my demographic when it comes to politics. In 2020, only 38% of white men voted for Biden - 61% for Trump. That was actually better than what Hillary saw. She only won 31% of white men.
Abolishinist
(2,878 posts)So if you took away one person, one vote, and only allowed certain people to vote, Dems would always win.
Fascinating. So tell me, how much would annual tax collections increase/decrease if us 'white men' didn't have to pay taxes? I mean, if I don't have the right to vote, I shouldn't have to pay taxes, right? Do that calculation and get back to me.
Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)It's a fact that white men overwhelmingly support Trump. You don't like that? Well do a better job convincing white men to not like Trump.
And yes, if white men didn't vote (I never said take away their vote lmao), Democrats would never lose another election again.
Just like if women stopped voting, Republicans would never lose an election again. You seem to get upset over facts. I'm sorry about that.
Abolishinist
(2,878 posts)And guess what, if Democrats didn't vote, then Republicans would never lose another election. Your 'facts' are nothing but mindless fantasy. Sorry, I live in the real world.
Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)What exactly is your issue? White men largely are the reason we have Trump. I am so sorry the truth hurts your feelings.
Abolishinist
(2,878 posts)• Belief in a sky doG. The more evangelical a white person is, the more they attend church, the more likely they are to be a R. They go through life believing something created them and thus owns them, knows their thoughts and can convict them for thought crime, and for various unknown reasons can then condemn them to eternal torture.
• Location, location, location. Percentage wise, these people are far more prominent in rural communities. Far less exposure to larger cities with variety, culture, the arts, etc.
• A feeling of being left behind. Loss of jobs, believing that minorities and illegals are taking these jobs away from them, and no skills to move beyond this.
• Education level. White men without a college degree voted 28% for Biden, 70% for the former.
So yes, white men are more likely to vote for the other side, but unless one can find a way address the above plus more not mentioned, I'm not so sure this is the best line of attack. Better to focus on getting out the vote. And of course, the electrical college puts a crimp in all of this as well. I live in SoCal, trying to convince my handyman to vote D would be a waste of my time, plus I highly doubt I could accomplish the task.
And please note for future reference, nothing said on this or any other site can hurt my feelings.
Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)That is a fact. White men were a massive part of what elected Donald Trump.
Deuxcents
(25,359 posts)I think we’re all like minded here..fighting the good fight 💙
SoFlaBro
(3,730 posts)Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)None of this should be a surprise to anyone. Trump has been a garbage human being for his entire adult life. Some people like that.
brush
(61,033 posts)of trump, and also that fucking James Comey's last minute stunt of re-opeing the Hillary email investication which was a pure hoax and he knew it. Hillary was comfortably ahead in the polls until then,
We did fire trump's vile, traitorous ass in 2020 as was definitely warranted, but for so many to back this criminal MFer again, like I said, we can't be this sick of a country for this race to be this close.
pat_k
(12,663 posts). . . algorithm created social media information bubbles that just keep getting more bizarre, and you have a serious social problem.
This isn't a political partisan divide of decades past. We are in a whole new place. Far right brainwashing is a serious social problem tearing apart communities and families and we need to figure out some sort of national "recovery program." Something like Exit Deutschland on a big scale. Showcase recovering MAGA folk. More attention to the heartbreak of losing loved ones to the brainwashing.
We need to move from the current us vs. them-ism where we write "them" off as evil people that deserve nothing but our condemnation, to a serious examination of the snowballing social problems the the multibillion dollar far right noise machine kicked off, which is being accelerated at an unbelievable pace by social media algorithms fomenting anger and hatred that are sending an unbelievable number of Americans into rabbit holes that just keep getting more and more and more bizarre.
We need to take on Christianism Nationalism, while being very, very, clear that we are not condemning Christian faith.
We need more documentaries like the 2016 Brainwashing of My Dad
More people from progressive faith communities speaking out on the cancer that is Christian Nationalism.
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)We rail against the concepts, but most indications show that they're true.
The people who are supporting him now are the same people who voted for him in 2016 and 2020. None of what he has done or said or promised matters to them -- it never did. His approval ratings have dropped very little in the past few months, despite the onslaughts, both internal and external. His support has always been relatively stable, though also relatively low. It's all inexplicable, but it also appears to be reality.
There's much more evidence that it's a close race than that it's not. It's going to come down to turnout. Our side just needs to show up in bigger numbers than their side, in the states that matter. That's the direction this was headed all along.
brush
(61,033 posts)which is why I'm urging us all to try as hard as we can to peel off votes from the large demographic that is still supporting the convict.
pat_k
(12,663 posts)Perhaps the analysis is wrong, but here's what I believe:
Pollsters are correcting for under-sampling Trump voters in 2016 and 2020 by oversampling them this year. As a consequence, they aren't detecting the actual spread.
In addition, the actual dynamics are in the opposite direction of the corrections.
This year, we have a meaningful number of Trump supporters who tell pollsters they are voting for Trump, but when it comes down to actually doing it, they just won't be able to. Either they won't turn out, will vote third party, or will vote Harris. In 2020 and particularly in 2016, the underlying dynamic was the opposite. There was a segment of folks who voted for Trump who didn't to admit their intention to pollsters.
Anyway, add the pollsters misguided corrections to the underlying phenomenon of Trump support eroding in the closing days as a meaningful percentage abandon him when it counts, and you get a "surprisingly strong" Harris victory.
This analysis may be proven wrong, but until it is, I'm sticking with it.
Do more. Worry less.
brush
(61,033 posts)in the previous elections.
pat_k
(12,663 posts)They assume the dynamics they "missed" last time are still operating.
The underlying dynamics are completely different this time. And once again, they are missing them. Even worse, their attempt to "fix" last cycle's errors is leading to a greater error this cycle.
Keepthesoulalive
(2,098 posts)We can chastise black men for voting against their interests. But if you accuse white men , not all white men , we are not a monolith and don’ t broad brush us.
But the majority of white men vote Republican that’s a fact but don’t say it.
RidinWithHarris
(790 posts)Hell, I have often said myself how sad it is when I see a member of my own demographic group (especially if you narrow this to 60+ white males) that I'm probably looking at a Trump supporter.
brush
(61,033 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 27, 2024, 09:33 AM - Edit history (1)
brettdale
(12,748 posts)5000 votes in one state, that decides the fate of the world.
