Trump rally speaker on Americans who don't support Trump: "We need to slaughter these people"

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[ZonkerHarris]

1. I did Nazi that coming.

[LiberaBlueDem]

22. F*(cking nazis

We beat them in the civil war and ww2

They are asking for another beating

[bdamomma]

25. Your

comment has given me hope.

[Cha]

43. Good Points TY

[North Shore Chicago]

2. The party of violence.

They make me sick!

[dalton99a]

3. It is a full-blown racist and fascist rally

[kwolf68]

4. It's just word play

Like I want my favorite football team to slaughter their opponents. That said just more anger and vitriol.

Otherwise he’s delusional. 100 million votes for trump?

[Deuxcents]

10. I've watched just about every Harris/Walz rally and no such "word play " has ever been said or insinuated

This is hateful and dangerous and there’s no excuse for this inexcusable rhetoric

[soandso]

16. I actually find it incendiary

to take campaign and political rhetoric out of context. I don't like the rhetoric but it's common in politics and not to be taken literally. Whoever that guy is, he's talking about votes not a Rwanda style genocide. Things are so heated right now and tweets like that don't cool things down by trying to imply he is talking about mass murder. Sheesh. This is all so stressful.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

49. Do you explain to all of his supporters that this is "not to be taken literally"?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143327112

[lapfog_1]

52. and when a previous speaker tried to joke

"Hey, did you hear there is a floating pile of garbage in the ocean?.. I think it is called Puerto Rico" did you think that there are piles of trash and banana peels and rotten tomatoes on the streets? You know, garbage... or were people laughing at something else maybe?

Bet most of those people in the audience don't even think Puerto Ricans are US citizens.

[soandso]

75. I read about that here

Din't see it. Disgusting. But, what does that have to do with escalating rhetoric calling for violence? That's what I was addressing.

[niyad]

74. See post 72.

[Maru Kitteh]

40. JFC. I'm gonna call BS on the grand old nazi-loving militia party and 'word play'

Word-play my beige butt.

[Aristus]

42. When they unlimber their precious assault rifles,

I don’t think they’re going to be shooting word-play.

[hatrack]

59. Bullshit. He's pressing the button to the Stochastic Terrorism Siren.

"Just word play" my Aunt Fannie.

[wnylib]

70. Just word play? The hell it is. Was J6 just word play?

[niyad]

72. NO IT IS NOT JUST FUCKING WORD PLAY. Those fucking traitorous

bastards MEAN IT. They have meant every evil, vicious, violent, hate-filled, ugly, dangerous, murderous thing they have said, and we excuse and dismiss them at our peril.

[Hekate]

76. Yes, they do mean it

Believe them

[soandso]

79. It's vile, I agree

but I've heard such vile talk before. Rick Wilson (Lincoln Project) comes to mind with, "Somebody needs to put a bullet in Donald Trump". Was he trying to prod a shooting or was it political rhetoric? That's my point.

On my larger point about violence, I'm beginning to feel rather alone in not wanting to see that.

[niyad]

87. Does it ever get cold up there on the moral high ground? -- Lady Violet

[soandso]

89. Not wanting to see some kind of outbreak of political violence

is "the moral high ground"? I'm sorry and don't mean to come off as having the moral high ground but I feel these are volatile times we're living through and, no, I don't want to see a civil war here. People are on edge and wound tight and I don't think the US is immune from the kinds of things we see happen around the world. That's all.

[Hekate]

77. When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time

We’ve had nearly a decade of Trump & Trumpistas telling us who they are, and demonstrating it.

They are violent, racist, misogynistic, and so much more.

[Lovie777]

5. Kill your neighbors....................

[senseandsensibility]

9. Well, maybe Melanie Zenona should report on that

She is covering it live for MSNBC and didn't mention it. They are really sanewashing this.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

65. See? Even the media we prefer sanewashes him

A Pox on all their houses

[kwolf68]

6. They are peddling

The lie it’s a landslide for them. It’s part of the lie.

[Joe Cool]

7. Looks like there are a lot of empty seats, especially in the upper level

[kpete]

12. i thought so too

[bdamomma]

27. I thought

so too. Just more hate and division. Fuck this felon.

[dalton99a]

8. By slitting their throats?

[peggysue2]

11. Says it all, doesn't it?

Disloyalty = slaughter. And that's before Election Day.

One can only imagine--in a nightmarish way-- the actions of this Flying Monkey Brigade if they were ever given power, aka saying the quiet part out loud.

Insane! That's their closing argument.

[Dem4life1234]

13. It will be a wasteland because MAGats don't know how to function

[Jirel]

14. Meet violence with violence.

When they say they will do violence, believe them. We should not seek to do violence, but we are fools if we are unprepared to meet theirs and win. We can no longer preach peace, or practice impotence in the guise of peace, when told boldly that those who oppose them are to be killed.

Thanks for listening to my TED talk.

[soandso]

19. Stop it

While I don't care for the rhetoric, it's common in politics and you know he was talking about votes. Taking shit like this out of context is exactly what leads to paranoia and violence. Do you really want that? I don't.

[AZ8theist]

29. How do you "know" he was talking about votes? You can read his mind?

There is TONS of evidense this rhetoric has lead to violence. Remember Jan 6th?? "Stand down and STAND BY"???

There's Christ-fascists all over the country calling for "retribution", including Dotards himself.
I'm surrounded by sketchy Duck Dynasty looking motherfuckers driving diesel pickups with giant "FUCK HARRIS" flags flying off the back.
While I fear and loath any violence, I'm prepared to defend myself and my family.

[soandso]

30. Because he said that in the video clip

I'm all for self defense and being on guard for any significant developments but what that guy was political rhetoric and posts encouraging killing people fuel hatred and a potential civil war.

[AZ8theist]

31. It's not our side pushing for a civil war.

[soandso]

33. I realize that

but there are individuals who do with calls for killing people.

[Dem4life1234]

82. Our side is not violent and you damn well know that

People have the right to be concerned, especially minorities and women.

[soandso]

86. There are plenty of crazies to go around

because humans. IIRC, it was Bernie bro who shot several people at a baseball practice. My only point is don't be them and respond in kind. Call it out, condemn that shit and point out that they're unhinged.

[WA-03 Democrat]

35. Context

They are not joking. Believe them when they tell you who they are.

[soandso]

37. I do

and, as I said, I do not like the rhetoric but he clearly stated he was talking about "100 million votes".

Look, I fully get that there are people itching for violent confrontation and I do not believe that will be good for the future of our country and certainly not for those who commit and are victims of any violence.

[DemonGoddess]

38. Stochastic terrorism

Look it up. Not only does he and his minions practice it, it's because of the deranged rhetoric they spew that we had January 6th happen.

[soandso]

41. Is countering that best done by calling for killing people?

Or should cooler heads prevail?

[paleotn]

68. Tell me. Are their any "cooler heads" on the magat side?

Or do you think they fully understand the dog whistle?

"Black jobs." He wasn't being racist. He was just talking about jobs for Black people. Yea, sure. I think everybody knows EXACTLY what he was talking about. Same with this latest doozy from one of his minions. Don't ever, ever, ever think they don't mean what they say or we're taking it out of context. Trust me, his people get the true meaning.

[soandso]

71. My question that you replied to

was if it helps anything to respond with violent rhetoric. In my view (not much agreed with), it's better condemn it, to make a note of what's being said but not to fall into one upping it and with the more of the same or even more pointed stuff like talking about being ready to kill someone. I'm not sure people who do actually think about what they're saying and how it can escalate into real life action.

[NickB79]

39. You do you

Me? I'm grabbing my handgun and doing a little more target practice on my backyard range this evening before sunset.

Not looking for violence, but fully prepared to dish it out if it violence comes looking for me.

[soandso]

44. No, it wasn't you I was responding to

And, that's great you've got your gun ready and all that. I don't have any guns, though, and I don't want to see violence. That said, I can see that my opinion isn't supported so I'll just hunker down and watch it all unfold on the internet.

[bluestarone]

47. You come here, and start giving orders? The hell with that.

YOU stop it!!

[soandso]

48. I'm not ordering anyone

Only talking on the internet and trying to dissuade violence. You want violence, then good luck with that. I've watched and read about too many wars to want to see that happen here.

[bluestarone]

50. STOP THAT!

Sounds like an order to me!

[soandso]

51. Do strangers on the internet

have any power over you? It's obvious I'm making a case against violence and I guess you disagree.

[bluestarone]

53. Welcome to IGNORE!

[Clouds Passing]

55. They are literally stoking violence and killing. " When they show you who they are, believe them." MAngelou

[PortTack]

58. It is not common! Tsf has worked to normalized violence and terrorism. You, obviously have fallen prey to it.

[soandso]

61. Please think about what you're saying

You're claiming I've fallen for the normalization of violence because I argue against violence. What sense does that make? I don't want to see a civil war in this country and I honestly believe that most people don't. People talk about killing other people like that's normal and I see that as a bad sign. Hopefully, it's just empty talk but I'm only speaking up to say it's not good. JMHO, obviously, and not one widely shared on this thread, lol.

[Tansy_Gold]

80. No one here is calling for violence

As far as I can see, a few have said they are prepared to defend themselves, but no one is escalating the rhetoric. No one here is suggesting anything remotely like, "Let's get them before they get us!"

The problem, as I see it, is that the rhetoric coming from the 💩 campaign is escalating, becoming more violent, more racist, more hate-filled, and people here on our side are pointing that out because of the fear that while some may understand it to be just "word play," there is a risk that others may take the calls for violence literally. Unfortunately, one person or one small group of persons who do take the speeches literally can spark a conflagration.

It's easy to use the language of violence figuratively -- the Silver team murdered the Gold team, even though no one on either side got hurt -- when the full context is known. There is already enough real physical violence playing out in this race -- the guy who shot up the Democratic campaign office in Tempe, AZ, for instance -- that at least some people are indeed taking the word play literally. And most of that seems to be coming from the other side, not ours.

I live in a semi-rural neighborhood filled with 💩 campaign signs . . . and also filled with people who have guns. I take the rhetoric and the threats it poses seriously, because I know there are people who take the suggestions it offers just as seriously.

[soandso]

84. The rhetoric should be called out and condemned

which isn't the same as saying things like, "Bring it, I have guns" or whatever. I do understand that people say/write stuff out of anger and have no intention of acting on what they say but I'm just sayin' to stop and think first as in is that what they really want - neighbors shooting each other?

[Dem4life1234]

81. Who knows with these current crop of MAGAts?

Perhaps you're still in the mindset that we have the Republican party of 1992 or something.

Do not dismiss how people feel about these damn thugs of today. They have a right to be concerned.

[soandso]

85. I don't disagree

Which is not the same as taking the bait and responding in kind.

[mucholderthandirt]

90. No, you stop.

This isn't the first time people who are against Trump have been threatened. You think they're joking? Were you alive on Jan6? Did you look at what happened there? They killed people, caused a few so much trauma they committed SUICIDE.

FFS, none of us want violence. We want these people tried, convicted and sent to prison. We don't want to live every day of our lives wondering when they'll come for us.

If you think this won't happen, couldn't happen, then you are either ignorant of history, or a fool.

[liberal N proud]

15. Smells like fascism

[keep_left]

18. Pretty soon we'll be hearing it's "time to cut down the tall trees"...

...Rwanda-style.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219471759#post5
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100219497725#post40

David Neiwert has written about the "eliminationist" rhetoric of the far-right and MAGA movements.

https://www.amazon.com/Eliminationists-David-Neiwert/dp/0981576982/
https://www.amazon.com/Alt-America-Rise-Radical-Right-Trump/dp/1786634465

[Judi Lynn]

20. Bizarre choice of words. Clearly it doesn't take much to trigger psychopaths listening

for that one word or expression to set them off, to get some desperately disturbed lunatic standing in someone's living room with a hammer, etc.

Or, if he's really, really sick, but feeble, he could show up holding a pair of his grandfather's long underwear. You might get lucky!

[irisblue]

21. Who isthis guy please? I'm not on threads Grant Cardone is that guy.

A Google search says he is an " internet celebrity"

His website describes him as "Real estate investor, disrupter, mogul and founder of Cardone Capital.
https://grantcardone.com › about
About Grant Cardone - New York Times Bestselling Author."

[DinahMoeHum]

26. It's Grant Cardone, CEO of 10X

equity fund manager and real estate investor

[Bookreadingliberal53]

34. He's also a Scientologist nt

[hatrack]

60. Well Big Woodly-Woo . . .

Some rich guy. Got it.

[TBF]

23. Ah, Christian nationalism on display. nt

[whathehell]

66. The speaker is a Scientologist..

I heard nothing about "Christian" anything.

[rubbersole]

24. Slaughter this 🖕 tough guy.

You first.

[DinahMoeHum]

28. If y'all have the stomach for it. . .

PBS on YouTube is carrying it live.

(Sorry, I ain't providing a link on this one)

[Wiz Imp]

32. Yeah, but it's the Democrats & Kamala Harris that are using all the violent rhetoric.

I challenge all MAGAs to find a single Democratic official who has ever said anything 1/10 as hateful & violent as that. These people are sick.

[robleb]

36. Hard to tell who the blow hard is....

I think he is usually wearing a white hood when he speaks?

[kevink077]

45. Bring it on

This liberal also is packing heat

[Figarosmom]

46. He sounds drunk

[Jakes Progress]

54. What a shit load his parents must have been.

[AverageOldGuy]

56. These assholes . . .

Think they are the only ones with firearms.

[kimbutgar]

57. I think the FBI needs to pay a visit to this guy for calling for a slaughter of fellow Americans

Sounds terroristic to me and a call to violence.

That said a bunch of ads are going to be produced showing what the repuke party is all about!

[Orrex]

62. Trump and every Trump voter could drown in pig shit, and the world would be no poorer.

[oldsoftie]

63. He's obviously talking about an electoral slaughter. but he's always been a prick too

[soandso]

78. I've never seen him before

Someone said he's an internet star which means what - he has a Youtube channel? Sounds like a dick for sure, but that's about it.

[Botany]

64. This has to be a put on. What a powerfully ignorant dill rod.

Do you promise 100 million votes?

[Delphinus]

67. This is quite frightening

I don't know if there are any other words I can say.

[paleotn]

69. Umm, sorry magats, but we slaughter right back.

Come and get some.

[SKKY]

73. Good. Then allow me to be the first to volunteer to let him come to my house...

...and try to slaughter me. I'll hit him with so many lefts, that he'll beg me for a right. You're a retired investment banker, and I'm retired military with some skills in certain areas. Fuck around and find out.

[Initech]

83. Fuck that guy! If there is a hell, may he rot in the hottest circle of it!

[Jmb 4 Harris-Walz]

88. Sec Pete's message...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219617455