Trump will declare he won early Tuesday night experts warn

[Eliot Rosewater]

Experts predict Trump could call election early. Political insiders are preparing for a November scenario where Trump will call the election early and declare victory before all the ballots are counted even if he loses the the race. This could have the effect of encouraging mistrust of all results that come in after his declaration and even emboldening some local officials who are tasked with certifying votes to not do so, given that Trump has declared that he has won. (Source: Newsweek)

[Straw Man]

1. What will he do if he isn't ahead at that point?

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He's not discouraging early voting and mail-in voting this time, so there probably won't be any "red mirage." Not that he wouldn't declare victory anyway, but he will look awfully stupid if he does so while he's behind.

EDIT TO ADD: early voting and mail-in voting

[Blaukraut]

8. Exactly. He sort of fucked this up for himself by encouraging his minions to vote early

He should have stuck with demonizing early voting to recreate the red mirage from 2020.

[Retrograde]

74. Declare victory anyway (nt)

[Abstractartist]

2. Hmmm

270 to win. He can say what he wants… 270 to win.

[RidinWithHarris]

3. Does a bear shit in the woods?

You don't need "experts" to predict this.

[proud patriot]

23. It does

[PJMcK]

33. We have bears in the forest around our house

When I cut the lawn, I often find droppings that didn’t come from a deer.

Ergo, the bears do not shit in the woods. They prefer my yard!

[dchill]

54. My guess is that MOST Republicans would shit in your yard, as well...

...given the chance.

[PJMcK]

84. Republicans shit all over the place

They have become a cancer on our nation. It’s time for chemo by a Democratic President and Congress.

[samnsara]

80. eww i just have turkey shit....

..i do have bears but i think the dogs keep them away

[PJMcK]

85. It's not bad

Really, it’s no worse than our dog’s poop. The mountain rains usually clean it up. After all, our house is in a forest! And our “lawn” isn’t Kentucky Bluegrass, it’s just ground cover that I keep trimmed to keep the forest away from our house.

We also have coyotes, bald eagles, many kinds of hawks, lots of ground critters and an absurdly large number of deer. It’s quite beautiful in the peaceable kingdom!

[madaboutharry]

4. If he tries that then there has to be coordinated and major pushback straight across the media calling him a liar and

not giving an inch in telling the public that he is out of his fucking mind.

It is just sickening that the country has to put up with this bullshit from a fascist and a psychopath.

[Eliot Rosewater]

6. Thank you, yes. It doesn't matter that he is lying, surely we have learned that by now

Especially with this fucking mainstream media.

All he has to do is cause enough chaos and problems to prevent counting the votes in enough places to throw the election to the House

There is no way two Supreme Court justices have the courage to oppose maga and the entire GOP by doing the right thing, we know there are three guaranteed to do the illegal unconstitutional thing

[Farmgirl1961]

11. Agreed! But do you think that the media will pushback? I mean some major networks and stations will. n/t

[madaboutharry]

14. I really do not see the media playing along with his craziness.

If he comes out and declares victory prematurely as votes are still being counted, I would not be all that shocked if even Fox pushes back.

And anyone who knows me around here knows I struggle with pessimism. Yet, I do think if he tries some stupid bullshit he is going to be on his own.

[GaYellowDawg]

69. I think Fox will play along.

They fired the election team that called Arizona. It'd be consistent for them to go along with this. At the very least, Hannity, Ingraham, and the rest of the "opinion" sociopaths will doggedly go on with him.

[Emile]

5. If he does, Kamala should do the same.

[bullimiami]

7. Who gives a fuck what the liar claims???

[Freethinker65]

9. Trump isn't the one that "calls" the election. Even if he is a celebrity, he cannot call an election.

[malaise]

10. He tried that last time

Fuck him

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. Or we signal now to the fifth circuit and the Supreme Court if they steal the election

We will react poorly. we will not carry protest signs, we will do something else, but they don’t believe we will do a fucking thing that’s why they’re going to do it.

We have to make them believe we mean fucking business. I keep saying this over and over everywhere I go online and in real life but it’s not getting any traction.

[malaise]

13. They know

Down he goes

[TwilightZone]

22. It's probably not getting any traction because it would be pointless.

Threatening SCOTUS isn't going to accomplish anything other than maybe getting yourself arrested. If you're talking about something like a protest, they've made it more than obvious that public opinion means nothing to them.

Besides, protesting something that is purely hypothetical and will likely never happen isn't going to gain a lot of adherents, particularly when we have an election to win. The energy would be better spent volunteering for local Democratic offices, taking people to the polls, etc.

[chowder66]

15. All media that isn't Faux News (and their ilk) should ignore him, HARD.

And laugh. They should laugh out loud.

[mnmoderatedem]

16. of course

he's been setting the background for this all along. Convince his trained seals that there's no way he can lose and they don't even need everyone to show up and vote because that are so far ahead. Then when he loses, of course it MUST be because the election was obviously rigged. And then comes some variation of Jan 6 to try to overturn the results of an election he does not like

[rzemanfl]

17. Interestting that the source is right-wing. Could be a head fake.

And, of course, God Bless you.

[Fullduplexxx]

18. he can declare anything he wants anytime he wants while he's at it he can declare him self emperor

[TwilightZone]

19. Doesn't matter.

He can say whatever he wants. Only the results matter.

[FalloutShelter]

55. I agree.

it was said upstream on this thread-
270 to win.
Period, no matter what he says.

[Wiz Imp]

20. Who cares? He's effectively already declaring victory. He doesn't get extra points for declaring victory.

When he loses, he loses no matter what he said before or will say after.

[Tree Lady]

21. I am turning off all tech and tv

Tuesday or my blood pressure will be crazy!

[nclib]

24. That's why he wants his supporters to vote early.

If he's ahead in any state at time polls close he will try to get them to stop counting votes and declare himself the winner.

[Eliot Rosewater]

44. Exactly and the Supreme Court once the case gets to them that ballots were compromised

They will Side with Trump.

But I’m being told elsewhere here that I’m just wasting my energy thinking about how to deal with that so I guess we’ll just give up.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

61. Who's giving up?

You're the one saying the Supreme Court will side with Slobby.

[nclib]

67. I don't think it will work.

At least I'm really hoping it doesn't. I think there would be utter chaos if that did happen.

[H2O Man]

25. Of course.

I think everyone knows that.

[Blue Owl]

26. Punch that fucking Nazi right in the face

[Eliot Rosewater]

64. And not giving up means making it clear to the Supreme Court and the fifth circuit

As well as the Republican Party that our reaction will NOT be carrying protest signs.

[RedSpartan]

27. I've been saying this for months

and I'm nobody special, so I assume (hope) that the Dems have thought of this and are prepared.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

28. It worked so well last time

Your concern is noted.

[BOSSHOG]

29. THIS TUESDAY?

Why wait DON, declare now and rest.

[Klarkashton]

30. There is a good chance he won't even wait that long.

[misanthrope]

31. In a way, he already has

He has been declaring they are “way ahead in the polls” for a while now. That will continue uninterrupted into next Tuesday as the preamble to his ongoing hijinks.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

32. Duh

That obvious declaration required "experts"?

[tavernier]

34. I just declared I'm the new Queen of England.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

62. Your Highness

[LisaL]

35. He can also declare himself a king of England.

Whatever...

[C_U_L8R]

36. Didn't work last time

Hey Donald, your fake winning ain't the same as really winning.

[SomedayKindaLove]

38. Yeah I was really worried about this in 2020

He tried it and it didn’t matter. He stirred up an insurrection, but it wasn’t because he was leading early.

[ColinC]

37. He wont have the opportunity this time

He will likely not even be ahead in enough states for long enough of a time to claim even a fictional victory

[leftieNanner]

39. Didn't he do that last time?

Didn't work then. Won't work now.

[pat_k]

40. Of course he will.

[GenThePerservering]

41. These political insiders need to get outside more. nt

[mn9driver]

42. He'll declare victory before the polls close.

That way he discourages later voters from going to the trouble of voting. And also will claim fraud immediately after that.

Then we get to find out just exactly what fuckwittery he and Johnson have cooked up as their little secret.

[Jack Valentino]

43. Of COURSE he will!

His act has grown stale.

[lame54]

45. It's not up to Trump

[Eliot Rosewater]

46. It's up to the fifth circuit or the Supreme Court ultimately isn't it.

[EllieBC]

47. The media needs to not play his game for once.

I know they’re all desperate for clicks, subscribers, and views… But Tuesday night will be the night to show some goddamned integrity. Do not play his game.

[Koinos]

48. 34 Felonies

Remember that Trump will be sentenced for committing thirty-four felonies on November 26th. I don't think Trump's baseless claim that he won and was "cheated" will move the judge or change the sentence. Trump may be plotting the next insurrection from behind bars.

[Tribetime]

49. If he does he knows he will lose Pennsylvania when the early vote is counted

And wants to get ahead of it...He's looking for Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia....There is no way He's winning Pennsylvania

[Runningdawg]

50. IDK what channel it was on but some lacky claiming any ballots counted after midnight invalid.

He was backed up with another idiot that said any ballot not hand marked on paper should be illegal.
They never quit.

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. Imagine a fifth circuit or Supreme Court so fucked up that they would agree with this

[Runningdawg]

70. Imagine a POTUS who can and will appoint all judges WITHOUT confirmation - for life.

The new reich are crafting the ruling as we speak.

[Think. Again.]

51. That's from newsweek so I'm assuming this announcement is part of whatever the plan is.

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. Yes. I just wish people would realize the Supreme Court and the fifth circuit and the Republican party

Have no intention of doing the legal thing, have no intention of honoring the election.

[Demsrule86]

56. A big who care...he will look like an ass...and we have Democrats in place in

swing states...and one of the 2020 criminals who tried to overturn the election just got nine years that will make them think...Also, the laws were changed after January 6th.

https://protectdemocracy.org/work/understanding-the-electoral-count-reform-act-of-2022/


The Electoral Count Act (ECA) governs the casting and counting of electoral votes for president and vice president every four years. The statute sets the timeline for states to appoint presidential electors in November and for electors to cast their votes in December, and describes the process that Congress should follow when it counts the states’ electoral votes in January. Originally enacted in 1887, the statute remained largely the same for well over a century and was badly in need of an update. It included antiquated and ambiguous language, and failed to offer clear guidance on key aspects of the process of counting electoral votes and resolving related disputes — weaknesses that rendered the statute open to misunderstanding or exploitation, and risked the peaceful transitions of power that have been a hallmark of our democracy.



In late December 2022, Congress passed the Electoral Count Reform Act (S.4573 1) as part of omnibus appropriations legislation. The bill updates the ECA, providing much-needed clarity on the process of casting and counting electoral votes, striking a better balance between the roles of state and federal actors in that process, and eliminating many of the most concerning potential weaknesses in the law.

The following is an overview of the ECRA’s key provisions.2

Requires that states appoint electors on Election Day in accordance with pre-existing law and eliminates the concept of “failed” elections. [Section 102]
Previous law (3 U.S.C. § 1) set “the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November” as the date on which states must appoint their presidential electors (i.e., Election Day because all states appoint electors based on a popular election).

In addition, however, the law (3 U.S.C. § 2) provided that if a state has held an election but somehow “failed to make a choice” on Election Day, then the state legislature could choose the manner of appointing electors on a subsequent day. (A version of this provision technically dates back to the Presidential Election Day Act of 1845 and thus preceded the ECA.) This provision was meant to accommodate run-off elections and extreme weather conditions that sometimes prevented the completion of elections on a single day. But the language is vague as to what it means for an election to “fail.” As a result, some partisan actors have wrongly suggested that delays in counting votes or disputes about how an election was conducted can form the basis of a “failure” that would justify state legislatures appointing electors themselves after Election Day.

The ECRA eliminates 3 U.S.C. § 2 entirely and instead provides that states must appoint electors on a designated date (the same date as previous law), except that a state that holds a popular election may “modif[y] the period of voting as necessitated by force majeure events that are extraordinary and catastrophic, as provided under laws of the state” enacted prior to Election Day. In doing so, the legislation eliminates the “failed election” loophole and the potential for partisan actors to exploit it.

Importantly, because it allows only a modified (i.e., extended) voting period, and only when “necessitated” by “force majeure” events (such as a natural disaster) that qualify as “extraordinary and catastrophic,” the ECRA does not allow state legislatures to step in to appoint electors themselves after Election Day. Nor does it allow claims of fraud to trigger the exception to appointing electors on Election Day.

Adds clarity to the process by which state officials ascertain and certify their election results to Congress. [Section 104]
The ECRA makes clear that the executive of each state is required to certify the state’s appointment of electors (in essence, its election results) to Congress no later than six days before the date on which the Electoral College meets, and that he or she must do so “under and in pursuance” of state law enacted prior to Election Day. The legislation defines “executive” to mean the governor unless the state designates another official in advance.

The ECRA sets “the first Tuesday after the second Wednesday in December” as the date on which the Electoral College must meet, only one day later than in the past. It further provides that Congress must treat the executive’s certification as “conclusive” unless a state or federal court has ordered that it be replaced or modified — in which case Congress must treat the new/modified certificate as conclusive (with federal courts having the final say on issues of federal law, including the ECRA itself).

Gives federal courts a clear and expedited role in

[Eliot Rosewater]

58. And there's no way a corrupt 5th circuit or Supreme Court could and the election to Trump, OK

[ancianita]

78. Probably not. Our wall? The Elias Group.

Knowing trump will claim a win before Nov 5 ends, like hitler did, remember...

1. Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Reform_and_Presidential_Transition_Improvement_Act_of_2022

2. The Twelfth Amendment and all its "shall"s...

3. The 119th Congress will be in session as of Jan 3 2025.

4. President Biden will still be president.

5. Vice President Kamala Harris will still be vice president and President of the Senate on Jan 6 2025.

The predictable court fights won't get beyond state appeals, or state supreme courts again. Why? Because if the right's legal teams could have strengthened their claims since the Gore v Bush decision of 2000, they would have used them by now.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

57. It's not up to him

[Demsrule86]

59. Laws were changed in 2022...

He can try...I would bet some of his 'followers' will not do squat...as a fair number of the 2020 one were sent to jail...one got nine years.

[Eliot Rosewater]

60. Ok

Fingers crossed

[Liberal In Texas]

63. You don't have to be an expert to predict that.

And if he's ahead in some races he'll want the count stopped.

[Skittles]

75. EXACTLY MY THOUGHT

HELLO

[Zambero]

65. Everyone who witnessed his 2020 "victory" declaration stunt is now an "expert"

This is 100% expected. I would be shocked if Trump was to do the right thing, wait until the votes are counted, and respect the will of voters. We can also wait for hell to freeze over!

[dslyahoo]

66. He is already saying he won now.

According to him, everything is rigged unless he wins. So, in his mind, he has de facto already won.

[mucholderthandirt]

68. So? He's not in charge anymore. His minions have been warned not to try anything, or be arrested.

He can claim what he wants. When the votes are counted, he will be a loser (AGAIN), and the process will go on. Biden has already warned the states they must certify, or else. The House will do it's job, because it won't be the current House, we will have won control over that. Speaker Jeffries will do what's right and legal.

[orangecrush]

71. Who?

[spanone]

72. It's a free country (for now) he can say whatever he wants...

doesn't make it so.

[Mountainguy]

73. Of course he will

Difference is this time he won't have the power of the executive to throw around while doing it.

[bullimiami]

76. I could declare I win today. So whatever the fuck on trump.

[Takket]

77. Of course he will. How the media reacts to it will matter

Will they say this was his plan all along, to try and undermine the election, and that he has no proof he won? In other words will they be honest with America?

Or will they feign confusion and wonder what he is seeing that they are not? In other words, lie to America that this is anything other than part of a plan to overturn the will of American voters.

[samnsara]

79. of course he will cuz hes 8

[GoCubsGo]

81. Oh, plesse. He's been saying that shit from Day One of his campaign.

He has been saying on a daily basis, "if I don't win, it was rigged." And, he already started flooding the joint with his bogus lawsuits. Newsweak is a bit late to his game. We have long been onto him, especially given it's the same shit he pulled last time.

[bearsfootball516]

82. I'll be surprised if he doesn't do that.

He did it in 2020 already.

[Brainfodder]

83. IMHO our V.P. should declare now that the election is RIGGED if Donold is elected!

Just to see THEM faux outrage at turning it directly ON THEM after hearing it for years from the guy afraid of dogs and birds.