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lostnfound

(17,520 posts)
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 08:31 AM Oct 2024

Board members at major companies forcibly replaced by billionaire hedge funds - fascist groundwork or shock doctrine?

Thinking about Trump’s event at Madison Square Garden, and taking a side journey:

The non-executive chairman of MSG is Nelson Peltz who owns Trian. Trian is one of those activist investment companies that forces its way onto boards by buying up enough stock to shake up the executives with their demands. (Pelz incidentally claims to be a centrist (“life long friend and supporter of Joe Manchin”) but he was a heavy supporter of George W Bush, Trump’s first term and recently admitted to supporting Trump over Biden, when Biden was running.)

Trian famously tried to get a seat on the board at Disney and wanted Bob Iger out. A distinction is made in this Harvard article between Trian specializing in ‘value destruction’ versus successful CEOs (namely, Robert Iger but also Steve Jobs, which it calls “generals”) who specialize in ‘value creation’. What kind of value destruction? It takes a few forms.

Like an alien latching on and then devouring from the inside, sometimes these activist firms subsequently insist on selling the ground or buildings out from under the target companies to REITs (often private ones), often using part of the money for stock buybacks, and then leasing back those same assets perhaps at some elevated rates for decades to come.

“Activist investors” sometimes use tactics that verge on a shakedown or a white collar terror campaign. Southwest just got forced by Elliott Investment Management to replace 6 of its board members with 5 Elliott-selected individuals, and to speed up the exit of their chairman. Starbucks was another one with a CEO replacement. There were dozens more in the last year. It reminds me of the Shock Doctrine: create a feeling of a crisis, drive panic and fear, and use it to implement a strategy by which you will profit.

Elliott is also the one that pushed Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey out on a ledge. They claim to take unprofitable companies to profit, but in the case of Twitter, we all can see what has resulted. That seemed a different kind of value destruction.

In the case of offloading assets to REITs: Whether you pay a mortgage on your residence or a lease payment seems the same in the short run (and of course you may find better uses for that capital), and what it means in the long run is debatable. But if your reason for existence as a company depends on those assets, well, you’ve been forced to indebt yourself all over again — not to a random bank, but to well-connected private equity REIT that effectively gets the most preferred seat in the house. After all, a substantial fortune 500 company won’t default on the rent for a very long time. Or at least you can sell it to investors that way.

Circling back on topic, I would like to remind everyone that when Leonard Leo received $1.6 billion — the largest ever dark money donation — from Barry Seid, little Leonard said that he was going to use it to launch his new project to transform corporate boards, the way he had succeeded in transforming the courts. These activist hedge funds have far more assets to play with than that, but I do wonder how much they are linked. I can find public writings where the hedge fund managers complain that companies have too much focus on ESG initiatives or on employees. To some extent, corporations were a moderating influence during the Trump administration.

This is not an ignorable side problem for anyone. There was a DU thread on private equity buying up home service companies such as plumbers, repairman, constructors. There was another DU thread on private equity companies buying hospitals, stripping them of resources, selling the buildings or land, having the hospitals end up closed, leaving communities desperately subsidizing them just to maintain health and emergency services in the community. (Incidentally, the stability of our real hospital system seems so weak, and I have been noticing all these little two-bit “emergency rooms“ popping up in strip malls of major cities that I’ve lived in, that frankly seem so wildly inappropriate that they should possibly be banned. People who don’t know any better might bring their loved one with a major head injury or a stroke to a place that should only be handling bandages and sprained ankles.)

I’d like to think that Kamala and the Democrats can tackle these problems if we win the house and senate too, but I’m realistic that they will have their hands full.. Courts and corporate boards can be a formidable opposition. I’m disturbed to think about how many pieces on the chessboard that the fascists have already won.

I’m even more disturbed at the challenge of how to build understanding of what’s happening in the American public. Even in 10% or 20%. But most of the public can’t begin to understand or maybe isn’t interested. Their children will be relegated to serfs and underpaid lackeys, indentured servants with opportunities so restricted by predators who control everything in their lives, from consolidated media outlets to poorly run hospitals to employers who can treat them like disposable cardboard.

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Board members at major companies forcibly replaced by billionaire hedge funds - fascist groundwork or shock doctrine? (Original Post) lostnfound Oct 2024 OP
Undoubtedly. 2naSalit Oct 2024 #1
Ultimately the working class pays the price jmbar2 Oct 2024 #2
Corporations today are run solely for the benefit of CEO bonuses and shareholder wealth. Lonestarblue Oct 2024 #3
The multinationals take good care of upper tier execs soandso Oct 2024 #36
This phenomenon and private equity... WestMichRad Oct 2024 #4
We are already there Dave says Oct 2024 #32
This is super important. I'm aware of what is happening. harumph Oct 2024 #5
No matter what happens on election day Nittersing Oct 2024 #6
Stop giving them your money. onecaliberal Oct 2024 #7
How do I stop "giving money" to activist investors? Nittersing Oct 2024 #9
It takes research and micro shopping locally small at all times. onecaliberal Oct 2024 #11
That's simply not reasonable to demand of 300M people Orrex Oct 2024 #18
Then you will get what you've always got. Work for the man, onecaliberal Oct 2024 #22
So will you. The difference is that I don't fool myself about it. Orrex Oct 2024 #27
If you bothered to read my comment, I'm not fooling anything. onecaliberal Oct 2024 #28
Exactly. That's the part where you're fooling yourself. Orrex Oct 2024 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2024 #30
What topping do you want on your pizza today? sheshe2 Oct 2024 #31
I miss all the fun stuff. Orrex Oct 2024 #33
That wont be an option once they own most rentals, utilities, grocers...its a snowball that's growing lostnfound Oct 2024 #25
They don't now. But people are not able to go through the slightest inconvenience to make everything better. onecaliberal Oct 2024 #26
My financial advisor committed me to a privately held REIT. These are nothing more than in2herbs Oct 2024 #8
sounds like what they did to greyhound. mopinko Oct 2024 #10
We have to claw the public services back. onecaliberal Oct 2024 #12
i'd love to see the city buy it and make it a true welcome center. mopinko Oct 2024 #17
I called my California Assembly rep yesterday and alerted a staff member on the peril of this ... Auggie Oct 2024 #13
There was a documentary about this in the '90s wysimdnwyg Oct 2024 #14
Thank you for this important post Wild blueberry Oct 2024 #15
This is one reason I come to DU.Thank you! BattleRow Oct 2024 #16
The United States of Dystopia sarchasm Oct 2024 #19
E Pluribus Unum...or as Ben Franklin wisely said - haele Oct 2024 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Oct 2024 #20
Major media will be running with this story any minute now! dchill Oct 2024 #21
This isn't anything new soandso Oct 2024 #37
I think getting rid of Citizens United would be a perfect place to start. japple Oct 2024 #23
THIS soandso Oct 2024 #38
This is important and chilling. druidity33 Oct 2024 #24
IMHO, The USA has turned into an oligarchy. n/t Jacson6 Oct 2024 #35
k&r n/t area51 Oct 2024 #39

jmbar2

(7,990 posts)
2. Ultimately the working class pays the price
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 08:40 AM
Oct 2024

Behind all the talk of a stellar economy and jobs, workers are being beat down to the point that younger ones may never be able to earn enough to retire.

Bring out the pitchforks.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
3. Corporations today are run solely for the benefit of CEO bonuses and shareholder wealth.
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 09:10 AM
Oct 2024

A few decades ago when I was getting my MBA, the philosophy was that corporations had three constituents to satisfy—their customers, their employees, and their shareholders. That changed some years ago to the philosophy that corporations owe nothing to anyone but their shareholders, which I believe is wrong and leads to the kind of monopolistic and predatory corporations that we see now trying to get Trump elected because they know he will stop all financial and environmental regulations and basically not care how they treat their workers.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
36. The multinationals take good care of upper tier execs
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 08:43 PM
Oct 2024

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella was awarded a $30 million pay raise — 63% more than what he earned last year — even as the Windows maker slashed its workforce by 2,500 people.

Stock awards for Nadella, who earned $48.5 million in 2023, climbed to about $71 million from $39 million a year earlier, according an SEC filing.

The raise comes after Microsoft shed 1,900 people from its gaming workforce following the company’s $69 billion acquisition of Activision Blizzard.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-gets-30m-raise-while-company-fired-nearly-2500-workers/ar-AA1sWfsg

WestMichRad

(3,255 posts)
4. This phenomenon and private equity...
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 09:17 AM
Oct 2024

… are examples of unregulated capitalism eating itself. Left to their own devices, a return to the robber baron era seems inevitable.

harumph

(3,281 posts)
5. This is super important. I'm aware of what is happening.
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 09:33 AM
Oct 2024

It's a bit abstract for most people though. A lot of time has been spent on the planning. Frankly, I don't want to be here for its fruition.

Nittersing

(8,381 posts)
6. No matter what happens on election day
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 09:49 AM
Oct 2024

This will continue to go on unabated.

I don't know how we fight it.

Nittersing

(8,381 posts)
9. How do I stop "giving money" to activist investors?
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 10:24 AM
Oct 2024

I don't knowingly give money to corporations that are buying up mortgages and then renting out the houses.

Or corporations that are buying up HVAC companies... or any other business.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
11. It takes research and micro shopping locally small at all times.
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 10:31 AM
Oct 2024

I stopped using different brands. They have made it really hard but the key is shopping small and local. No big box or big brands. It takes effort.

These people didn’t start off with all that money.

Orrex

(67,112 posts)
18. That's simply not reasonable to demand of 300M people
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 11:16 AM
Oct 2024

We aren’t all licensed accountants with access to or experience in tracing out the complex webs of business ownership and shell corporations and hedge fund holdings and diversified positions. To expect the average citizen to do all this while they also have to work 50+ hours to barely break even in providing for their family is absurdly unrealistic.

It sounds exactly like yet another excuse for yet another round of victim-blaming.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
22. Then you will get what you've always got. Work for the man,
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 11:32 AM
Oct 2024

Paid slave wage. Always shouldering more burden. That is my fate as well. At least I am at peace knowing I didn’t contribute.

On edit. I’m not an accountant. I do have internet access and the ability to read.

Orrex

(67,112 posts)
27. So will you. The difference is that I don't fool myself about it.
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 04:38 PM
Oct 2024

Nor do I blame others for being inescapably stuck in their situations.

Which billionaire do you patronize for your internet, by the way? From which billionaire did you obtain your phone or computer or tablet? And did you buy a fair-trade locally-sourced free-range automobile, or did you buy it from a billionaire? How do you rationalize these self-exploitative practices while wagging your finger at others?

Perhaps I’ll live by your example and ride an eco-friendly alpaca 30 miles each way to spend $3 more to buy some mom&pop toilet paper rather than pay the Koch regime.

But here’s the punchline: even if you and I and everyone we know stop buying from these corporations, it won’t affect them in the slightest. Just like those silly calls to boycott Facebook or Walmart; it’s the theater of irrelevance. But at least in the meantime we get a heady dose of smugness, and isn’t that really the point?

Someone might now be tempted to cite WaPo’s loss of 200K+ subscribers, and that’s nice, but that’s a response to an egregious failure of responsibility at the top rather than a grassroots push from the bottom.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
28. If you bothered to read my comment, I'm not fooling anything.
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 04:41 PM
Oct 2024

I’m just able to look my grandchildren in the eye and say I did NOT help the man burn down the planet because it’s too hard to fight it.
Peace out!

Orrex

(67,112 posts)
29. Exactly. That's the part where you're fooling yourself.
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 04:59 PM
Oct 2024

Again, did you post that message via two recycled soup cans and a length of twine? Or did you use an electronic device (billionaire) to access the internet (billionaire)? Do you live in a dug-out hole in a riverbank, or do you live in a permanent structure of some kind? Did you build it with your own hands, from materials that you engineered yourself, on unclaimed land that you obtained freely? Or did a bank (billionaire) subsidize the construction? Did you buy it outright with cash, or take out a mortgage (billionaire)? Or do you rent from a private individual who themselves build your apartment from scratch.

What you're doing is telling yourself that your concessions to The Man are acceptable and justified, while other people's choices are not.

You're in this as deeply as I am, and so are your grandchildren.

Response to Orrex (Reply #27)

lostnfound

(17,520 posts)
25. That wont be an option once they own most rentals, utilities, grocers...its a snowball that's growing
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 04:10 PM
Oct 2024
 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
26. They don't now. But people are not able to go through the slightest inconvenience to make everything better.
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 04:13 PM
Oct 2024

The stupid is burning everyone.

in2herbs

(4,390 posts)
8. My financial advisor committed me to a privately held REIT. These are nothing more than
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 10:18 AM
Oct 2024

private equity investments in sheep's clothing.

mopinko

(73,726 posts)
10. sounds like what they did to greyhound.
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 10:26 AM
Oct 2024

we’re about to b w/o a greyhound station in chgo, cuz they got bought, their stations sold, offered for lease at an obscene price, and now they think they can just use union station or city streets instead of a station.
leaves the mayor w a problem, and no good way to solve it.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
12. We have to claw the public services back.
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 10:33 AM
Oct 2024

We’ve been asleep at the wheels. We need laws to protect from them.

mopinko

(73,726 posts)
17. i'd love to see the city buy it and make it a true welcome center.
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 11:15 AM
Oct 2024

amtrak is rt across the street. but the city is hurting, in part thx to abbott and desatan dumping immigrants on us. they did manage to create quite a bit of chaos and resentment w that shit.

johnson is having a helluva 1st yr.

Auggie

(33,151 posts)
13. I called my California Assembly rep yesterday and alerted a staff member on the peril of this ...
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 10:35 AM
Oct 2024

the staff member did a quick web search while I was on the phone and found the wire report on the trade/skill services. It was news to them. Then they THANKED ME.

California is one of the few states I can think of that would take on legislation to throttle private equity.

It's better than just writing -- and grumbling -- about it.

wysimdnwyg

(2,267 posts)
14. There was a documentary about this in the '90s
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 10:43 AM
Oct 2024

A little movie that had a fluff story tacked on to entice movie-goers to give it a look. It described just a few of the problems with letting monied interests have their way with a company before discarding the remnants. In the almost 35 years since that documentary came out, private equity has been busy, invading nearly every sector of our economy, raping and pillaging their way to incredible profits for a few, while the masses are left to pick up the pieces.

Perhaps you’ve heard of this documentary; it was called Pretty Woman.

sarchasm

(1,310 posts)
19. The United States of Dystopia
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 11:16 AM
Oct 2024

is what we'll have if folks don't get behind sensible Democrats. Someone needs to keep a sharp eye on the free market capitalists because if capitalism is left to its natural conclusion without some sort of counter balance, it won't be pretty. We are dauntingly close to that at the moment. ~ E Pluribus Unum ~

haele

(15,403 posts)
34. E Pluribus Unum...or as Ben Franklin wisely said -
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 07:58 PM
Oct 2024

"If we don't hang together, we will surely hang separately."

Too many Multi-Millionaires and Billionaires don't want to make anything, or otherwise do anything that advances society or create beauty.
They want to be rentiers, sit back and live off REITs, collect their money and play their dick measuring games in their personal bubbles (male and female, they're all measuring something stupidly selfish in a zero sum game.)
They don't do anything constructive that doesn't net them a significant profit. Their lives, even their families, are transactional.
Wouldn't be surprised at all if they saw anyone who wasn't worth 100 million as being fungible, and everything around them for sale. Surround them with animatronics to serve them or show up when they need an ego-boo, and they would be happier than having to deal with real people or even really care about others or how they feel.

F'ing Sociopaths, especially most in finance or Tech, where the "Bosses" stopped actually working once they made enough to hire other people or leverage tech to make more money or do the actual innovation and work for them.

On edit.
These are the Ownership Bros. "Oligarchs". Worthless people in $150k suits who do little more than strut around, "network", pitch ideas and party while they skim off the top of their companies.

They want their own empires, where they own and regulate the people and property under their control. Company towns. Company safety. Company Stores. Company Entertainment. Company scrip. Company Health "care". Company Homes. Company justice. Company Religion.

Because, hey...if you can't perform well enough or work hard enough to afford to pay off your debt, just leave. Find some other Owner to invest in your sorry ass or die.

Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged personified - but with added religiosity, if you aren't lucky.

We all hang together, or the Bullies and Cheaters will ensure we hang separately while they "work" to stay comfortable in their own private bubbles.

Haele.



Response to lostnfound (Original post)

dchill

(42,660 posts)
21. Major media will be running with this story any minute now!
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 11:20 AM
Oct 2024

Did I say "running with?" Sorry. I meant "running from."

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
37. This isn't anything new
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 09:22 PM
Oct 2024

The structures may differ but it's what happened to Southwest Airlines. I think it was called corporate raiding back then.

japple

(10,459 posts)
23. I think getting rid of Citizens United would be a perfect place to start.
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 11:54 AM
Oct 2024

ETA: Thanks so much for posting this excellent opinion piece!

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
38. THIS
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 09:27 PM
Oct 2024

And take it beyond that with limiting donations to only coming from the people residing in the place that will be represented (congressional district, State, city, township, etc) along with donations from organizations prohibited. IOW, only individual human beings.

druidity33

(6,915 posts)
24. This is important and chilling.
Tue Oct 29, 2024, 03:07 PM
Oct 2024

Please send this to Josh Marshall at TPM or Rachel Maddow... or somebody that can broadcast its significance beyond the DUsphere.

K&R

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