Anybody having trouble with close family members now who are donOLD supporters?

[kimbutgar]

Yesterday my sister in law called who lives in a red state and married to a MAGA. She said she and her husband barely talk nowadays. He goes to his area of the house to watch fox and other right wing media and she retreats to another area. I felt so sorry for her. He’s not a bad guy but he was sucked into the right wing vortex gradually over the years. Their 3 adult kids live nearby and they don’t come by much now because a fight erupts between their parents over politics while they are there.

My husband went for a visit to watch the Super Bowl at their home and had to leave at half time because they got into a huge fight over politics and he missed the second half and overtime. I was there this summer and they visited my mother in law where we were staying. We don’t talk politics around him when we’re there but my sister in law referred to the orange turd as the convicted felon and he stood up and said we have to leave immediately ! I keep my distance and only do small talk with him. It’s so sad. I fear for this marriage surviving when VP Harris wins.

I’m so glad my husband and I are in the same thought politically I couldn’t image being married to a MAGA.

[TSExile]

1. Yes.

My dad and I. He just HAD to put a sign up in the yard...and he hasn't taken it down.

[maxsolomon]

2. I'm dealing it with by avoiding the topic.

My Dad is not persuadable, and he's in Ohio which is pretty much a lost cause. If * wins Ohio by 1 vote I'll never forgive myself for not making a huge deal about it.

Your poor sister.

[TSExile]

8. That's two dads in Ohio.

Which county? Lake here.

[maxsolomon]

12. Hamilton.

The German-Catholic Caucasian western suburbs of Cincy to be exact.

[TSExile]

13. The opposite end of the state.

Lake County is immediately to the east of Cuyahoga County, where Cleveland is.

[maxsolomon]

16. My aunt has a home by the covered bridge

in Windsor Mills. Been decades since I was there.

[Duncanpup]

3. I tell maga family and maga associates

Just get to Jonestown moment most fast then you’ll Make America great again.

Piss on them all.

[Coventina]

4. Yes. My dad put a Trump sign in his yard. My sister and I have cut him off.

My brother hates Trump, but feels everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[Tree Lady]

5. My older daughter unfortunately the one

I am the closest to and have most in common with besides politics. We hike, do yoga, go wine tasting etc

Last visit few weeks ago, she lives 6 hr drive away, we were doing great no issues until my grandson asked me to help him register to vote, he is 18. The conversation for first time went political and she got angry fast. I said, we can talk calmly, I am not mad at you, please explain how you feel. But just talking about it got her all heated up till we had to agree no more politics.

We aren't as close as we were and its Trumps fault. He has all his people stirred up and angry.

[The Third Doctor]

6. To keep the peace i dont discus politics with them.

I'm disappointed in one but the other has always been nuts.

[yaesu]

7. About 90% of my family is maga, mostly nieces and nephews and a racist maga brother. I haven't said more

than a few words to him since 2015. The rest I have nothing to do with. My sister and her husband are liberals so we are close, all her kids, like by brother's kids, are maga. I blame the aftereffects of a fox goptv lobotomy and citizens united.

[kimbutgar]

9. That is so sad to miss out in nieces and nephews.

The brainwashing of good people is so sad.

[mvd]

10. Only close family member is my mom

She’s as big a Democrat as I am. I no longer see a former friend who was a Trumpie. Mom’s lawyer is a progressive and rooting for Harris. New real estate agent isn’t much into politics. That’s about all I have any kind of contact with.

[ramedy]

11. Not really.

I have eliminated all Trump supporters from my life. There are no exceptions.

I don’t want that shit anywhere near me.

[PennRalphie]

40. I'm genuinely curious

When you’re taken to the ER, do you first interview a Doctor to determine his or her political beliefs? I’m truly flabbergasted by this entire thread.

[lindalou65]

14. MAGA family member

Unfortunately my grandson has been seduced by the “dark side”. He is in his early thirties. Used to be a moderate democrat. Somehow he now agrees with all of Trump’s policies and continually tries to convince me the Democrats are hiding the truth— we don’t see the real news because of algorithms. He says I have been lied to about everything— Hunter Biden’s laptop, Covid, Jan 6 and so on. I love him but can’t stand to see what he now believes.

[usonian]

15. My California family are all on board.

Some cousins in MA have gone off the deep end, but I never see them.

I had disagreements with my Dad over how to end the Vietnam war. In the end, my way was chosen, namely GTFO.

But, very strangely, with the draft and all, of all my 12 or so cousins and brother, I was the only one to serve an entire enlistment in the service. One cousin got out early for medical reasons.

To your point, this may not work with you, but maybe with others:

Find ONE point in the maga 2025 agenda that affects them in a bad way.

There are SO MANY, and everyone over 60 does not want to lose Social Security and Medicare.
Social Security? Guess what? We pay taxes on the distributions from it and most IRAs. (not being billionaires, we pay taxes)

So, here's the list, several lists in fact, in easy to read and share form:
https://democraticunderground.com/100219593621

The BuzzFeed post on how 29 of its readers made the switch, and shared their reasons for doing so, is powerful.
It's in that post, but I'll share it here in addition.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/morgansloss1/republicans-voting-for-kamala-harris-share-why

AND IF YOUR NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR HAS A TR***/VA*** SIGN
Post this across from it in your yard.

[kimbutgar]

22. Great list thanks for sharing !

[anciano]

17. Most of my family members are magats

with several real Bible thumpers. I try to avoid talking politics with them and have bought a T-shirt for the Thanksgiving get-together that has NO POLITICS NO RELIGION in bold letters on the front. So we will see how it goes!

[senseandsensibility]

18. I don't know about "trouble"

but definitely is a wall between us. Open communication is impossible and at this point, not even attempted.

[BlueTsunami2018]

19. No, we just don't talk about it.

It’s so sad to see my elderly parents so sucked into the fear and hate vortex. We get along fine but we just don’t bring up anything to do with politics.

These are great people, kind, generous, always taught me the right things, always treated everyone with respect but, for whatever reason, they’re just sucked into the vortex. I hate what has happened to them.

[La Coliniere]

20. Not really trouble.

It’s just that I completely ignore them. I’m fortunate that the immediate families of my wife and myself are progressive liberals. It’s my large extended family that has gone full MAGA and I chose to cut my ties with them when they started showing their true hateful selves. Can’t stand being around them. I decline all invitations to weddings and other gatherings because I cannot tolerate the intolerable anymore. Sad but it has to be this way for my mental health.

[PennRalphie]

21. I am always amazed

At the number of DUers not talking to their families over politics. I live in a very swing area of a swing state (PA), and my friends and family talk about politics…..never. At the Steelers game last night, I never heard anyone utter Harris, Walz, trump or Vance. Not once.

Maybe those of you basically disowning family or ending friendships live in very very deep blue areas.

Here in PA, where we are inundated with ads, nobody talk politics when with their family. Or friends. Or strangers.

I’m really sorry you can’t friend people because of politics. And not talking to family, that type of life would be totally exhausting for me.

Kamala Harris is going to win this election. I really hope after her win, you’ll reach out to those family and friends to communicate once again.

[kimbutgar]

23. I was in Philadelphia in late October 2022 and I couldn't get over the number of political commercials on TV

In my hotel room. I finally started watching a movie on my IPAD because commercial TV was awful with all these ghastly ads.

I’m fortunate pretty much all of my family are Democrats and the one cousin I have that is MAGA I rarely see them. This cousin told me to stop posting political stuff on Facebook so I bombarded my page with political posts for a week.
I live in a blue state and city and am fascinated when I meet a MAGA that I talk with them to see how in the cult they are. I work with a company that packs up and moves seniors to smaller places or senior living communities . One lady once gushed over the orange turd and I said you know he wants to do away with social security and Medicare. I told her check out project 2025. When we did the final clear out of her house and she went over what she wanted to get rid of she told project 2025 scared the hell out of her and she was going to rethink her position. Sadly she watches Fox all the time so I have my doubts.

[PennRalphie]

24. Great story.

I never run into people who talk politics spontaneously.

To people from Western PA, Philadelphia is another country.

Maybe that’s why my experience is so different.

[MotownPgh]

28. I live 4 miles from downtown Pittsburgh

and have cut out all MAGATS from my life. At first gradually and then very quickly the antivaxxers. I have plenty of dem family and friends. No time for the rest.

[PennRalphie]

33. I live much further from Pittsburgh.

I’m just different than you. I’ve been a Democrat my entire life and have never ended a friendship or stopped talking to a relative because of politics. That thought is just foreign to me. Without my family, my life would be empty. Never chose a friend because of politics. On Thanksgiving, my house will be full. Oh, we’ll have disagreements. Pitt/Penn State. Why Tomlin ran that play. No friendships will be ended. No family will be disowned.

People have all sorts of crazy ideas. Doesn’t mean they would or even could act on any of them. If someone in your family presents a danger to you, contact the proper authorities and have them deal with that. Kamala’s speech is talking about unity. This country is split pretty much 50/50. I think our side has a majority, but not by much. Especially around here.

I remain amazed at the number of posts here talking about ending friendships, disowning relatives and yelling at strangers. Over politics.

Remember, Democrats are the kind, sane party. We are very inclusive.

[MotownPgh]

34. I am not in danger. My house is full

on holidays. I just do not waste time on anyone who is bigoted or ignorant. There are too many more wonderful people in the world.

[Self Esteem]

49. You're probably a straight, white person.

It's harder to be cordial to people when they hate the fact you exist.

[Ilikepurple]

29. I think for some of us it's more than "politics"

There’s a lot of hate that can come with certain political beliefs. What if your relative doesn’t believe you or close family relatives deserve the rights and freedoms afforded to them? There are lots of reasons to associate with people or not. Each family is different, so I’m trying not to be presumptuous about who someone should or should not associate with.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

42. commenting from Blue California.... we don't talk politics in every day life, like at the store, events

if it happens, its shocking.

[PennRalphie]

48. It's the same way in swing PA

I never hear politics discussed. With so many here discussing politics with people they meet in their everyday life, it just surprises me.

[GusBob]

46. DU doesnt count 'cuz of anonymity

But I was raised that it was incredibly rude (and unwise) to discuss politics or religion outside of the household with either friends or strangers.
Even if I tend to agree with your point of view I will tune you out or change the subject

As far as close family, we are all outside of the household now so the rule applies

[DET]

25. Fortunately, we only have one MAGAt...

…but he’s really hard core. He married into the family and we learned a long time ago not to provoke him. All hell broke loose one Thanksgiving when he referred to Obama as ‘Hussein’. We couldn’t believe it. I don’t know how his very liberal wife can live with someone so toxic.

[kimbutgar]

26. Just like my sister in law

I would have ended that marriage a long time ago!

[IA8IT]

27. BIL banned from my home and life. So no trouble I guess

[happybird]

30. My Mom's not a maga

but she has been sucked in by right wing bs on Facebook. Sadly, she’ll vote for him simply because he’s the R candidate. We used to laugh that our votes just cancel each other’s out, but the light hearted, friendly jabs died during the orange blob’s term, when every little thing became so horribly divisive.

She doesn’t vet anything and her feed just keeps sending her the same type of harmful lies, conspiracy theories, and crap. It’s frustrating. When you try to point out lies, she gets offended: “You all just think I’m stupid.” I swear they are conditioned to respond that way to us “elitists.” Dad is a Democrat and we just don’t discuss politics with her in order to keep the peace. We tried. Now, if she makes a crazy claim from some “news” she read, I skim over the comment and change topics. She’s not a QAnon of anything super crazy, she’s just very trusting of what she reads. I’ve tried to explain how to fact check and how to look up source bias, the whole “if it evokes an immediate, strong emotion or reaction, it’s 100% worth fact checking,” thing, and how FB feeds and algorithms work, why she’s being inundated with so much negative, false bs every day, but she’s just not tech savvy. I think it’s a kind of tech-phobia, tbh. Trying to explain how streaming services work was a nightmare and that was just trying to share my Netflix log-in with her so she could watch certain shows she likes. Plus, no one wants to believe they’ve been suckered or have fallen for misinformation. She certainly doesn’t like tcf, especially all the misogynistic garbage, but she believes the Democrats in power are evil. Ugh. I hate it. Anyhow, I don’t want our time together to be full of arguments and hurt feelings so I just ignore it.

My sister and her husband are evangelical magats. BiL even made a snarky “Woke County” (aka Wake County, NC) comment in his speech at my niece’s wedding last year. They have since happily moved to a red NC county by the coast. I love them very much. She’s my only sibling. Her husband treats her like gold and has been a very loving and involved father with my nieces and nephew. We speak maybe once a year and never about politics or religion.

[kimbutgar]

32. My sympathies that must be so hard

These people don’t realize they are in the evangelical cult. I don’t get them saying they are for Jesus when they worship a false prophet full of so much hate.

I was raised Catholic and not words but deeds was how I learned to be Christian.

[happybird]

36. That's exactly what I don't get about my sister and BiL!

They are not stupid people. How on Earth do they reconcile the hatred so obviously present in their politics with the teachings of Christianity? I just do not get it. Cult is the only logical answer.

[Mariana]

38. Unfortunately, intelligence doesn't make someone immune to propaganda.

[NoveltySocks]

31. My parents are Trump supporters.

I haven't spoken to them since finding out and am not sure what I'll do going forward. It'll probably depend on the outcome of the election.

[kimbutgar]

39. That must be so tough !

My Mother died in 2016 before the reign of terror of the orange menace.

And I’m also glad my Dad who was a staunch Democrat died back in the late 90’s and missed out on Bush and the orange monster. my Dad used to say “ dirty stinkin lousy republicans “ so much I have vivid memories of my Dad saying it all the time! He also hated Reagan!

Hugs to you

[NoveltySocks]

43. Thanks, it's definitely hard.

It's completely changed how I view them. They're not the people I thought they were. It's a cult and they've been consumed by it.

[Emile]

35. I married a Democratic woman.

You want a cheater, marry a Republican.

[Mariana]

37. He's not a bad guy

Yes, he is. Maybe he wasn't always that way, but he is now.

[Blue_Roses]

41. Yes

My sister and brother-in -law have gone nuts. My sister hated Trump a few years ago, but her MAGA husband got to her somehow...

[Xolodno]

44. Not any more.

After his first term, family and friends all went silent. And I mean deep silent. If they still support him, I don't know, but when I pointed out all his flaws which all played out, they don't say anything now.

[woodsprite]

45. I'm sorry you're going through that. I totally understand.

I have a SIL whose top two guys are Donald and God. And you're the worst type of sinner if you follow female pastors, politicians, or any other female leader. Females in leadership positions are witches and Trump is godly. She a Bible thumper, but doesn't really get into Jesus much though. He's probably too liberal for her. Thankfully she lives in FL with her new MAGA hubby. I try to be pleasant when I'm down there when we visit my MIL but it's difficult. We try to keep interactions with them to a bare minimum.

[jalan48]

47. Never. We are a strong union family and have known for decades that Trump stiffed contractors who did work for him.