So, apparently, Jill Stein is becoming a problem for Harris

[SKKY]

If you're going to vote for Jill Stein in protest of the atrocities in Gaza and hand the election over to Trump who will no doubt make things 10 times worse, I don't even know what to say to you.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/10/trump-harris-election-presidential-polls-israel.html

[Think. Again.]

1. Except that's not true...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/arab-muslim-leaders-risk-blowback-endorsing-harris-rcna172824

https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-emgage-muslims-endorsement-gaza-israel-trump-campaign-biden-ad30de2fc83a7fd4f65190c0f3d1a6da

[marble falls]

6. I think alot of the Stein "threats" slip in from Moscow.

[Think. Again.]

11. It's all just false alarms to keep stein in the news....

...and yeah, coming from russia and any other rightwing source.

[marble falls]

16. It is distraction.

[Demsrule86]

57. Exactly and we should post nothing about her here...

If she running as a green? We know that means 'get republicans elected every November.'

[drmeow]

62. And Israel

I absolutely believe that Bibi is helping push the "protest" vote narrative!

[democratsruletheday]

24. Exactly true marble falls..

she's a russian troll and polling VERY low. She's a POS too

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

56. The Green Party won't have any credibility until they cut her loose

[marble falls]

75. I looked seriously at the Greens. I saw a lot of RWs and MLM Prepper merch pushers among the tree huggers ...

... it was too mixed up to join.

[Demsrule86]

53. This is why I call her the Russian princess...from Putin's lips to hers.

Rec'd

[marble falls]

77. Worth a thousand words ...

[Demsrule86]

86. Thank you Marble Falls...I almost posted that glad you did!

[marble falls]

91. One of the few times I ever beat you to the line.

[Dem4life1234]

76. Thank you!

They really want to destroy this country.

[marble falls]

78. And split the take.

[underpants]

2. My daughter has told me this is a protest thing with young voters

Gaza and over not being taken for granted. Lots of chatter about it on social media she sees.

[bottomofthehill]

4. I know what to say to them

Go fuck yourself. We have seen this type of stupidity in the past. The protest vote makes you feel good but creates a toxic environment for 4 years.

[JustAnotherGen]

80. This year? A generation or two

If 45 wins - wait and see how that "being taken granted works for you".

Harris has gone all in on the youth vote. They are full of shit.

They have to learn how to play in the sandbox. It is not ONLY about them. I'm 16 years away from Social Security and Medicare.

I matter too.

[LisaL]

8. They are going to be really happy then when RFKjr becomes a director of health and human services.

[TwilightZone]

17. Some probably aren't paying enough attention to know that's a possibility.

And if they are, they probably think it's just hyperbole, similar to when Jill Stein types in 2016 said that Trump wouldn't *really* appoint justices that would overturn Roe, and that it was just a campaign tactic.

[et tu]

49. you get road kill and you get road kill

rfk's jr. mantra for health~ o noooooos.

[samnsara]

13. educate them about the election of 2000

..and the 'protest' vote for Ralph Nadar that robbed us of affordable solar energy. People I know who made that vote STILL talk about how they regret it.

[FakeNoose]

50. Unfortunately that's ancient history for these kids

It's a cryin' shame that high schools no longer require Civics for graduation.
Many high schools don't even offer a Civics elective anymore.

[MotownPgh]

51. That is by design

[rubbersole]

55. The "Nader vote" was the convenient narrative.

Gore still won. Civics classes should teach the repub ratfuckery that actually happened in Jeb!'s Florida. The Supreme Court intervention came after the caging and purging.

[cannabis_flower]

67. I could have

Voted for Nadar because I live in Texas and Gore wasn’t going to take Nadar here. But I still voted for Gore.

[Think. Again.]

15. Mostly just rightwing B.S. to hype stein and...

...create an anti-Harris voter bloc that wouldn't exist without it.

[jimfields33]

20. Slate is now right wing? Really?

[Think. Again.]

23. Obviously I meant the B.S. is rightwing.

I don't know "slate" that well but I assume they are "for profit" media so whatever excites their viewers is fair game to them.

[jimfields33]

25. They are left and the Palestinians in America are to the left.

They want something done to save Gaza and are not satisfied with the direction. I think vice president Harris can make a statement during her next rally saying she will stop all weapons going to israel. That will get her back the votes.

[Think. Again.]

29. I don't think she's lost many votes...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/arab-muslim-leaders-risk-blowback-endorsing-harris-rcna172824

https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-emgage-muslims-endorsement-gaza-israel-trump-campaign-biden-ad30de2fc83a7fd4f65190c0f3d1a6da

[kcr]

30. It's more like Slate is click-bait garbage

It used to be a great liberal site long ago, and it coasts on that reputation.

[travelingthrulife]

46. Yes, some of their articles are written by definite rightwingers.

[SoFlaBro]

36. Then a stupid motherfucker will waste their vote on some fuck shit.

[Demsrule86]

59. Too bad your daughter isn't aware that Trump and Jared want Israel to take over GAZA

and put up hotels...she supports groups that would murder her if they were able to...Hamas and Hezbollah.

[underpants]

73. I didn't say she voted one way or another

There’s was nothing in that post that comes close to implying that. I’m sure she voted for Harris.

[Demsrule86]

87. I didn't either. It is just that this situation is beyond our control and as always Trump is worse.

[EllieBC]

66. Guess they want their last possible time to vote

To be a protest vote?

They think under Trump they’ll ever get to vote again?

Foolish children.

[Mariana]

72. I wouldn't worry too much about the young voters.

They overwhelmingly favor Harris. If Trump wins, it will be because most of the people over 50 support him.



https://www.pellcenter.org/harris-leads-trump-by-4-nationally-but-with-wide-variation-by-age-ethnicity-and-u-s-regional-cultures/

[TSExile]

3. Here in Ohio...

...there was a message above every booth saying a vote for Stein would not be counted.

[LisaL]

5. Here is the explanation for that.

But Stein is suing so who knows if it will end up being counted or not.

"The Stein campaign has filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court in Columbus, arguing LaRose’s decision infringes on their constitutional rights to free speech, association, and equal protection and the voting rights of the Ohio-based plaintiffs. Rios said her name should never have been removed from the Ohio ballot."

https://www.ideastream.org/2024-10-18/presidential-candidate-jill-stein-is-on-the-ohio-ballot-but-votes-for-her-wont-matter

[marble falls]

9. Is the real issue a violation of freedom of speech or sour grapes regarding election laws?

[TSExile]

34. That's a rhetorical question, right?

[marble falls]

38. You asked the right question!

[arlyellowdog]

7. I know a Jill Stein supporter

And she’s a Trumpy woman who needs to oppose Kamala. All the Stein supporters I know are the same, but the media won’t say it.

[SheltieLover]

14. Same here

They feel good voting for a woman, buf that is not the net effect.

They are sickening imo.

[FakeNoose]

54. "Chumpy women" who hate Chump ... so their solution is to vote for Jill Stein

It makes them feel so good inside.

[apcalc]

10. Agree 100%. And she effed Hillary last time in Mich.

[JohnSJ]

33. Along with Comey and the msm pushing the lie that the email investigation was reopened 11 days before the

General election.

The media and the pollsters like to use 2016 and 2020 as their justifications for adding “weighting” factors to what they view as “under represented” republican support, conveniently ignoring the Comey effect and the pandemic.

They completely ignore the red wave that was predicted in 2022 that failed to materialize, which might be because Democrats and women of all stripes might have been under represented, and night also be represented in this election.

[RobertDevereaux]

12. If possible, direct such benighted souls to Bernie's remarks.

[cadoman]

18. you can only whack the Stein supporters over the head so much

Yeah it sucks to see that low single digit block of voters who should be voting for Harris and all she can do for Palestine--if they just had a bit more sense/education/wisdom.

But the fact is this voting bloc gets a bit of a high from "being different" and "going against the grain". It's part of their identity. We waste so much energy on them that would better spent courting low-resistance independents and undecided voters.

Pursue the people who have shown an interest in being pursued, rather than those who demand a platform shift that would render Harris unelectable.

[geardaddy]

65. You hit the nail on the head.

They do get a "high" from it. I have a friend who calls those types "pick me's"

[SocialDemocrat61]

19. Stein voters are voting their ego

They just want to pretend that they are better than everyone else. But they really just hate democrats more than they hate republicans. If Biden had cut all aid to Israel, they would be calling him an anti-Semite who supports terrorists.

[oasis]

70. Stein is the ideal candidate for egomaniacs.

[RJ_MacReady]

21. disagree

She is a complete non factor. If anything at all she takes votes from trump.

[Ferrets are Cool]

22. Jill who?

[Darnell1972]

27. I had worries over Jill Stein as well...

In the end, with all the angst I’ve experienced over this election, I have to remind myself to have faith in Professor Alan Lichtman. They say he’s called nine of the last ten presidential elections correctly. I think he’s predicted all of them correctly. They say he missed 2000 in predicting Gore. However, Gore did not only win the popular vote but rightfully, the electoral college as well. Little Bush had the election handed to him by five Republican Justices on the Supreme Court. I watched the professor being interviewed a couple of nights ago. He flat out said that the polls in this election year are wrong and Harris will win. He reminded us of how wrong the polls were in 2022. His successful track record comforts me and reenforces my belief that we will win this.

[SKKY]

37. I'm right there with you!

He's doing a lot of the heavy lifting to keep my blood pressure down.

[spanone]

28. Never heard a single person in my life mentiion Jill stein. NEVER.

[Marigold]

31. You would think they would have learned after 2016

But memory is very short in the US. I had a friend in VA who was all set to vote for Hilary in 2016, and at the last minute figured he'd cast a symbolic vote, and voted for Stein. He's been biting his elbows ever since.

[Wiz Imp]

32. No, this is not a problem

Will Stein get a few protest votes? Sure. Will it be enough to impact the election? No way. She is polling at 1% or less in almost every poll. At most it's 2% and she will never reach that. She has an extremely tiny but devoted following. The vast majority of people who vote for her were never going to vote for Harris (or Trump) - some will use the Gaza situation as an excuse, but if it wasn't that, they'd have another excuse. She's not even on the ballot in at least 14 states. The one state where she theoretically could have an impact is Michigan with the its muslim population. But the state polls for Michigan show Harris actually starting to pull away in Michigan. Any votes Stein gets will not be enough to cause problems

[bluesbassman]

35. Guy I work with told me the other day I'd be proud of him because he didn't vote for TSF.

He’s a Republican who voted for The Felon the first time and not in ‘20. So far so good. He then tells me he didn’t vote for Harris either because he couldn’t take her “cackling laugh” for the next for years. I said that was a pretty moronic reason, but who then did he vote for?, surely not Stein? He said that as a matter of fact he did vote for her. At that point I just said you might as well have voted for the MAGAt because that’s all your vote for Stein achieved and walked away. I’m hoping he was just trying to get a rise our of me and actually did vote for Harris, but who knows, it’s the craziest election I’ve ever witnessed.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

40. So she took a vote away from TFG

That's not a bad thing. I have no problems w/ his voters going for Stein.
A left-winger voting for Stein takes away from Harris, but a right-winger voting for her takes away from TFG.

[MaryMagdaline]

44. Agree

[Rebl2]

39. Just a

couple of days ago folks were saying Stein would draw votes away from trump.

[obamanut2012]

42. She is

[obamanut2012]

41. That is not true

If anything, she is peeling votes off Trump.

[valleyrogue]

43. It's a nonissue. Stein won't get anything to have an effect on the election. n/t

[Clouds Passing]

45. If Jill was president she would end all the aggression in the Middle East immediately

Oh wait she’s a Russian agent, Russia is deeply involved with Middle East violence.

[LilElf70]

47. Voting for Stein won't mean shit.

It's a wasted vote. Stupid is as stupid does. And you can't fix toopid.

Kamala will win by a huge number.

[Maggiemayhem]

48. There is nothing green about Stein

She has been a Russian asset for close to a decade.

[Demsrule86]

52. That is not true...pure bullshit and this should not be posted here.

And I would wager no one here will vote for Stein. Why not hit medias where that is even possible? What is the point. The Russian princess was not a factor in 2020 and she won't be this time either.

[rainin]

58. deleted

[jalan48]

61. She's getting Muslim voters in swing states.

A new report from the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) shows that Jill Stein, the Lexington, Massachusetts, resident and Green Party candidate for president, is leading Democratic nominee Kamala Harris among Muslim voters in several key swing states.

In Michigan, 40% of Muslim voters said they plan to vote for Stein, compared to just 12% who said they plan to vote for Harris. Stein also received significant support from Muslim voters in Wisconsin, where 44% said they plan to vote for her compared to 39% who said they’ll back Harris. And in Arizona, Stein draws support from 35% of Muslim voters, compared to 29% for Harris.

According to the website World Population Review, Michigan has a Muslim population of more than 241,000, meaning that Stein’s substantial lead there — if it holds — could have a decisive impact on who ultimately wins that state. The website FiveThirtyEight currently shows Harris leading Republican nominee Donald Trump in Michigan by 1.9%
https://www.wgbh.org/news/politics/2024-09-09/stein-leads-harris-among-muslim-voters-in-several-swing-states-new-analysis-finds

[Think. Again.]

64. Maybe not...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/arab-muslim-leaders-risk-blowback-endorsing-harris-rcna172824

https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-emgage-muslims-endorsement-gaza-israel-trump-campaign-biden-ad30de2fc83a7fd4f65190c0f3d1a6da

[jalan48]

71. We'll know soon.

[EllieBC]

63. Oh I know what to say to them.

“If Trump wins, you’ll get what you get and you won’t get to be upset.”

I also would tell them they’ve proven they don’t give a fuck about women, voting rights, the LGBTQ community, and environmental issues.

[Maru Kitteh]

69. Yeah. I'm calling bullshit on this one.

NOBODY who was going to vote for Kamala Harris is voting for that Russian harpy. If they vote at all, it's taking votes from people too chickenshit and ashamed to vote for Trump.

[Blue Owl]

74. So far this entire year I've seen one lawn sign for Stein

In an urban metro area of a few million.

I am not too concerned — although I do wish she, Cornel West, and RFK would all fuck off and get lost….

[Metaphorical]

79. Stein is a lot like RFK

She's primarily pulling votes from the soft Rs and Is that would ordinarily vote Republican and can't stomach voting D, along with a sliver of conservative Ds that feel the same way about Harris (there are a few who absolutely cannot abide the idea of a female president - even though they're women. I know a few).

There's also what I'd call the Q-Right - the far left wing people that have gone so far around the bend that they've circled around and become arch-conservatives. Most of those are now deep in QAnon.

[lees1975]

81. "I'm voting to put a candidate in office who will kill more Arabs"

Sonia Rosen, a voter in Pennsylvania, told me she felt “mocked” by Harris’ approach to Democratic voters, a majority of whom, polls show, want to see a permanent cease-fire in place, as Harris continued to support Israel as it expanded its war into Lebanon. Her plan as of now is to vote for Jill Stein. “I can’t endorse a candidate who is promising to kill more Arabs,” she said. “Every single day, we’re looking at average people—children, parents—with their faces blown off. We are watching it unfold. It’s painful to watch this happening day in and day out. And it’s painful to watch people so cavalierly dismissing the lives of Arabs as if we don’t count.”

And so you will vote for Stein, who will do less than zero for you and other Arabs, and if she succeeds in helping Trump win, you will have helped elect a candidate who will kill far more Arabs than are being killed now, and any hope for an independent, self-determined Palestinian state will be gone.

That's what your vote for Stein will do. So you don't really care for the Arabs in Gaza at all.

[lees1975]

82. With Harris surging to a 5 point lead in Michigan in right leaning polling data?

Jill Stein isn't even hitting numbers in the polls.

[Emile]

83. More phony outrage

[Rob H.]

84. Problem in swing states, maybe

I live in a deep red state where VP Harris is trailing Combover Caligula by 18 points. I could vote for a potted plant for POTUS for all the difference my vote is going to make at the national level.

[SKKY]

85. Same here. Indiana will not be blue any time soon.

[Autumn]

88. Bull cough cough Fucking cough cough Shit.

[SKKY]

89. I truly hope you're right. I really do.

It's just something I stumbled upon that, if everything goes south for us on Tuesday, this might be one of the reasons why. Again, if you're going to vote for Trump as a protest vote, yet fully aware he'll make things immeasurably worse, you can fuck off, fuck all the way off, and when you get there please do stay fucked off.

[Autumn]

90. Running for president is a yearly gig for her. She hasn't made it yet and

Kamala has this.

[LiberalFighter]

92. Seems to me the writer, Ayman Ismail is twisting it

Is Stein and Michigan Muslims going to be a factor? Seems like Ismail is grasping for straws.