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WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:05 PM Nov 2024

big BIG BREAKING NEWS... IOWA: Kamala Harris leapfrogs Donald Trump to take lead near Election Day 47-44

This is BIG... if accurate.

Losing Iowa would signal a BIG election night thumping for Trump.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/11/02/iowa-poll-kamala-harris-leads-donald-trump-2024-presidential-race/75354033007/

Iowa Poll: Kamala Harris leapfrogs Donald Trump to take lead near Election Day. Here's how

Kamala Harris now leads Donald Trump in Iowa — a startling reversal for Democrats and Republicans who have all but written off the state’s presidential contest as a certain Trump victory.

A new Des Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa Poll shows Vice President Harris leading former President Trump 47% to 44% among likely voters just days before a high-stakes election that appears deadlocked in key battleground states.

The results follow a September Iowa Poll that showed Trump with a 4-point lead over Harris and a June Iowa Poll showing him with an 18-point lead over Democratic President Joe Biden, who was the presumed Democratic nominee at the time.


Who said we're not going to have a winner Tuesday night?????
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big BIG BREAKING NEWS... IOWA: Kamala Harris leapfrogs Donald Trump to take lead near Election Day 47-44 (Original Post) WarGamer Nov 2024 OP
That's the gold standard in Iowa. RandySF Nov 2024 #1
indeed it is. WarGamer Nov 2024 #3
Selzer's been an outlier before Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #49
Great news! senseandsensibility Nov 2024 #2
Now THAT would be something. Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #4
If he is trying to hold on to Iowa at this point newdeal2 Nov 2024 #6
I better get some Martinelli's to chill for Tuesday...nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #9
Drumph just filled his diaper Tribetime Nov 2024 #10
With only two days left to campaign.... calguy Nov 2024 #44
A great start !! C_U_L8R Nov 2024 #5
Holy shit 400 EV is possible Tribetime Nov 2024 #7
WOW!! Hope this is true!! bluestarone Nov 2024 #8
Loved this sentence....... a kennedy Nov 2024 #11
Obama did it in 2008! 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2024 #12
WOW!! This is J. Ann Selzer's poll, arguably the best pollster. onetexan Nov 2024 #13
Good to Know, onetexan.. Cha Nov 2024 #59
Doesn't it? I believe Kamala will win all 7 swing states, and then some! onetexan Nov 2024 #67
I Surely Hope So!. with All my Heart and Soul! 🕊️🕯️💙🌊🌊🌊💙🇺🇸🌈 Cha Nov 2024 #78
Remember - Iowa was the 4th state to recognize same gender marriages. Ms. Toad Nov 2024 #14
I just heard about this. Quiet Em Nov 2024 #15
I always knew Iowa was winnable. clutterbox1830 Nov 2024 #16
Ohio is possible now too.... and Florida and Texas Tribetime Nov 2024 #18
I agree although clutterbox1830 Nov 2024 #23
Lets hope those thunderstorms end early. LisaL Nov 2024 #37
There was a recent poll showing her doing well in Kansas Sky Jewels Nov 2024 #17
Please, oh please, be true. Music Man Nov 2024 #19
This tweet from the chair of the Iowa GOP aged horribly in under two hours: demmiblue Nov 2024 #20
damn... WarGamer Nov 2024 #21
... Nevilledog Nov 2024 #22
FUCKING LOVE THIS AKwannabe Nov 2024 #42
Emerson has Trump by 10 in Iowa today. Their methodology must be completely different? Quixote1818 Nov 2024 #24
they say the person behind the DMR poll, Ann Selzer... is basically never wrong. WarGamer Nov 2024 #27
Yeah, it's A+ rated and their track record is pretty flawless from what I am seeing. nt Quixote1818 Nov 2024 #28
flawless is over the top iin my opinion Tetrachloride Nov 2024 #31
Mr. Spock agrees. nt BootinUp Nov 2024 #52
This is why I might be able to sleep MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #66
Emerson has been bullish on Trump this entire Deminpenn Nov 2024 #53
Emerson is one of the polls Simon Rosenberg warned us about Qutzupalotl Nov 2024 #72
Emerson isn't a partisan pollster, but Deminpenn Nov 2024 #74
Selzer, the Des Moines Register pollster on MSNBC mchill Nov 2024 #60
That's a big one. I'm hoping for my country that we see lots of similar surprises on Tuesday. That, and not... NNadir Nov 2024 #25
K&R spanone Nov 2024 #26
Wow Tweedy Nov 2024 #29
This would suggest we take House and expand Senate Tribetime Nov 2024 #30
Oh, please make it come true! 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞 wordstroken Nov 2024 #32
Landslide, anyone? Even a small landslide? usonian Nov 2024 #33
I'm very optimistic, but I don't want to use the "L" word yet FakeNoose Nov 2024 #38
Yes, the big W. usonian Nov 2024 #43
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World! FakeNoose Nov 2024 #45
OMG!!! Sogo Nov 2024 #34
Down ballot races Strelnikov_ Nov 2024 #35
Lets go!!! nt LexVegas Nov 2024 #36
This poll could be off by 10 points liberalmuse Nov 2024 #39
right! It could be off 8 and... jcgoldie Nov 2024 #47
Tim Miller on The Bulwark ibegurpard Nov 2024 #56
Yah, was just watching Kyle Kulinkski's commentary on it... ThePartyThatListens Nov 2024 #40
If this poll is accurate and if Iowa voters' behavior follows the polls Vogon_Glory Nov 2024 #41
Or maybe Walz as VP giving the ticket a Midwestern sensibility. Music Man Nov 2024 #46
:-) Lemon Lyman Nov 2024 #48
Fantastic if true, it also could be an outlier 0rganism Nov 2024 #50
Could 2024 Iowa be 2008's Indiana? ibegurpard Nov 2024 #51
According to Ann Selzer, women (white) are responsible for this, especially those over 65 who vote in greater numbers... AntiFascist Nov 2024 #54
An Idea Florida Dem Nov 2024 #55
HOPEFULLY It's Absolutely 💯 Cha Nov 2024 #57
Tim Miller interviewed Ann Seltzer Deminpenn Nov 2024 #58
;-) Lemon Lyman Nov 2024 #61
Match's my observations as well Strelnikov_ Nov 2024 #70
There are Trumpers around me who had signs in 2016, Deminpenn Nov 2024 #75
The only pollster to correctly predict Obama's victory dalton99a Nov 2024 #62
Well this is a Holy Shit moment! NBachers Nov 2024 #63
Just like old times? Zambero Nov 2024 #64
Are you feeling it yet?? peggysue2 Nov 2024 #65
I wonder how many red states are going blue. Emile Nov 2024 #68
Post removed Post removed Nov 2024 #69
Iowa voted Obama twice . . . and then Trump twice. And you think there isn't something satanic going on? hawkeye21 Nov 2024 #71
Someone posted that Iowa has been hit hard by the Abortion bans Thrill Nov 2024 #73
Lack of obgyn's hits women of all ages... seniors included getagrip_already Nov 2024 #76
Mr. Bayard is from Iowa, and has relatives there Bayard Nov 2024 #77

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
49. Selzer's been an outlier before
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:15 PM
Nov 2024

🔵2012: D+5 (D+6)
🔴2016: R+7 (R+9)
🔴2020: R+7 (R+8)
🔵2024: D+3 (?)

Here's 2014 Senate race. At the end Selzer is the only outlier and the closest:

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
4. Now THAT would be something.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:09 PM
Nov 2024

Normally I would scoff at such predictions, but the DMR poll is considered the gold standard (far above those “A+++rated!” Polls others rave about), so even with a 3 point margin that is probably within the MOE, we just might have a chance there.

If Trump suddenly books a rally in Iowa, then we’ll know we have a serious chance.

newdeal2

(5,414 posts)
6. If he is trying to hold on to Iowa at this point
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:11 PM
Nov 2024

He is screwed and it will be a fun night here.

calguy

(6,154 posts)
44. With only two days left to campaign....
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:41 PM
Nov 2024

I'd say it's too late to schedule a rally in Iowa. It's all over at this point except for a couple last rallies.

C_U_L8R

(49,384 posts)
5. A great start !!
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:10 PM
Nov 2024

I think we're gonna see a lot more pleasant surprises in the next few days !!!

a kennedy

(35,983 posts)
11. Loved this sentence.......
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:13 PM
Nov 2024

“Trump continues to lead with his core base of support: men, evangelicals, rural residents and those without a college degree.”

Nuff said......ugh....

Cha

(319,076 posts)
59. Good to Know, onetexan..
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:41 PM
Nov 2024

Geeze Louise. .. It feels Surreal right now!

💙🌊🌊🌊🇺🇸🕯️🕊️🌈

Cha

(319,076 posts)
78. I Surely Hope So!. with All my Heart and Soul! 🕊️🕯️💙🌊🌊🌊💙🇺🇸🌈
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 04:36 PM
Nov 2024

Ms. Toad

(38,639 posts)
14. Remember - Iowa was the 4th state to recognize same gender marriages.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:18 PM
Nov 2024

It is conservative, but in a more Minnesota way of being conservative, than the Texas or Florida are conservative. Trump's recent antics would not go over well there.

clutterbox1830

(456 posts)
16. I always knew Iowa was winnable.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:20 PM
Nov 2024

At least more then other swing states. It is not as conservative than people think. Obama won the state easily compared to FL or OH

clutterbox1830

(456 posts)
23. I agree although
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:34 PM
Nov 2024

I'm not sure about TX this election. Voting suppression is higher there. Also, Houston is expected heavy t-storms in the morning and afternoon.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
17. There was a recent poll showing her doing well in Kansas
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:20 PM
Nov 2024

and another showing her having a massive lead in NH. Another poll showed Trump up only 3 in Ohio. As many have suspected, we’ve likely been sold a bullshit narrative about the state of this race being “extremely close.”

Music Man

(1,664 posts)
19. Please, oh please, be true.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:24 PM
Nov 2024

There was an Emerson College poll released today that showed Trump up 10 in Iowa: https://emersoncollegepolling.com/november-2024-iowa-poll-trump-53-harris-43/ Both polls can't be accurate, so we'll see on Tuesday. I hope we can put in the work in Iowa these next few days and make it the surprise of the season.

Nevilledog

(55,081 posts)
22. ...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:32 PM
Nov 2024




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Final Selzer poll findings (and the actual result)

2022 Senate: R+12 (R+12)
2020 President: R+7 (R+8)
2020 Senate: R+4 (R+7)
2018 Governor: D+2 (R+3)
2016 President: R+7 (R+9)
2014 Senate: R+7 (R+8)
2012 President: D+5 (D+6)

About as good as any pollster gets.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
27. they say the person behind the DMR poll, Ann Selzer... is basically never wrong.
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:48 PM
Nov 2024

hey had Trump +18 over Biden... and Trump +4 over Harris in Sept.

H+3 today.

I think it's real.

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
66. This is why I might be able to sleep
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 05:07 AM
Nov 2024

before the election. The first indication that the flawless Kamala campaign and despicable Trump campaign are getting through to voters.
In past times we could count on it, Trump does 10 things a day that would end any other career. But I'd lost hope that anything he could do would have an impact. But maybe Trump has finally reached lows sufficient to lose

Kamala has been brilliant beyond my expectations and we couldn't hope for more. It's encouraging to think it might have hit it's mark.

If we get Iowa, the election is won. Even if we don't get Iowa, if things are trending this way, the election is won.

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
53. Emerson has been bullish on Trump this entire
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:24 PM
Nov 2024

cycle. I think there is something funky with their LV model.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
72. Emerson is one of the polls Simon Rosenberg warned us about
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:36 AM
Nov 2024

when he said the right was flooding the zone with favorable (and mostly RW-sponsored) polls this cycle to game the averages. They have had a good track record in the past, but … things change.

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
74. Emerson isn't a partisan pollster, but
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:51 AM
Nov 2024

I suspect they are modeling on 2016 and 2020 meaning trying to capture "hidden" Trump voters. In 2016, Trump was shiny and new and had a lot of people believing the made up TV world of "The Apprentice". In 2020, although Trump did get more voters, his crazy and chaotic administration was fresh in voter's minds and voters rejected him. Now Trump is pretty much yesterday's news and Harris is the new, fresh face despite being VP for the last 4 years. Jmo, but pollsters aren't recognizing that in their LV models.

mchill

(1,188 posts)
60. Selzer, the Des Moines Register pollster on MSNBC
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:41 PM
Nov 2024

The 6 week abortion ban went into effect this last summer and Iowans are starting to see the consequences. Also, Trump lost no actual ground since Sept—same number of voters, but the size of the actual voter pool increased and most of those respondents went to Kamala Harris.

She also notes neither candidate gets to 50% so still some swing left for voting day. Most importantly, she said that polls deciding that they know what the future electorate looks like maybe basing it Donald Trump on past electorate (explaining the Emerson poll you mention) which would overly favor the previous winner.

NNadir

(38,049 posts)
25. That's a big one. I'm hoping for my country that we see lots of similar surprises on Tuesday. That, and not...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 07:46 PM
Nov 2024

...the asshole, will demonstrate America's greatness.

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
38. I'm very optimistic, but I don't want to use the "L" word yet
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:33 PM
Nov 2024

Kamala and Tim will have a definitive win. Chump and Vance will be shown the door.

Strelnikov_

(8,170 posts)
35. Down ballot races
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:12 PM
Nov 2024

Last poll I saw had 2 of the 4 Congress seats competitive, with the R leading in these two similar to the Orange One (4%). With the 7% swing to Harris in the current poll for POTUS . . .

liberalmuse

(18,881 posts)
39. This poll could be off by 10 points
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:33 PM
Nov 2024

And it would still be great for Harris. I never in my wildest dreams thought Harris would be at +3. My hope was it would be only Trump +6. Any lower seemed like a pipe dream. Biden won the EC at Trump +8 in this poll. Does this mean she will win Iowa? Maybe, maybe not, but it’s a great indicator of how the Midwest will likely vote. This pollster is probably THE best pollster for her neck of the woods.

ibegurpard

(17,081 posts)
56. Tim Miller on The Bulwark
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:30 PM
Nov 2024

Was ecstatic when he misread it as Trump +3. They were gobsmacked just now and couldn't stop smiling.

Vogon_Glory

(10,297 posts)
41. If this poll is accurate and if Iowa voters' behavior follows the polls
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 08:35 PM
Nov 2024

the Good Guys might not have to sweat losing Nevada to Donald John.

I don’t know enough about Iowa to account for the swing. I’d like to think I have a reason, though. My impression is that Iowans are rather square (Which is why right-wingers have been able to use gays and abortion as hot-button issues to bash Democrats). Maybe, just maybe, enough Iowans have decided that they’re so disgusted with Donald John’s potty mouth and behavior that they’d sooner vote for Kamala than feel like they’ve waded through liquid sleaze by voting for what’s-his-name. And the latest leak about Donald John’s visit to Jeffrey Epstein’s island isn’t going to impress Iowa’s non-Incels.

Lemon Lyman

(1,594 posts)
48. :-)
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:11 PM
Nov 2024

Good for Ralph Newbanks from Solon!

Ralph Newbanks, a 63-year-old poll respondent from Solon, said he is a lifelong Republican who plans to vote for Harris this year.

“It's not what I like about her, it's what I dislike about Trump,” he said. “Since 2020 and the Capitol riots, I couldn't vote for Trump if he paid me, not for love nor money.”

He thought about casting a ballot for a third-party candidate, but he didn’t want to lodge a protest vote. He wants to make sure Trump doesn’t return to the White House.

“To me, the biggest part of democracy is the ability to compromise,” he said. “And with Donald Trump and the MAGA movement, there is no compromise, even within their own party.”

0rganism

(25,646 posts)
50. Fantastic if true, it also could be an outlier
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:15 PM
Nov 2024

Either way, we'll have actual results to compare in a few days

ibegurpard

(17,081 posts)
51. Could 2024 Iowa be 2008's Indiana?
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:21 PM
Nov 2024

That would be something. I still don't think she's winning Iowa but it shows movement and confirms the gender gap we're hearing about.
Please let it be so.

AntiFascist

(13,751 posts)
54. According to Ann Selzer, women (white) are responsible for this, especially those over 65 who vote in greater numbers...
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:25 PM
Nov 2024

and this thinking might be extended to other battleground states.

Florida Dem

(57 posts)
55. An Idea
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:28 PM
Nov 2024

I wonder if Waltz or Harris shouldn't squeeze in a quick rally in Des Moines before election day just to f@ with the orange turd's head and make him double diaper.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
57. HOPEFULLY It's Absolutely 💯
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:32 PM
Nov 2024

On Target 🎯 TY!

🕯️🕊️🇺🇸💙🌊🌊🇺🇸🌈🌊💙🌊

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
58. Tim Miller interviewed Ann Seltzer
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:39 PM
Nov 2024

on his podcast when her poll showing Harris within 6 came out. He thought then that those results were .a big deal .

Lemon Lyman

(1,594 posts)
61. ;-)
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 09:43 PM
Nov 2024

It’s anecdotal, but here’s something I’ve noticed.

There’s a big-time R supporter who lives just South of Dubuque. It’s a married couple who have a beautiful home. They have $$. They’re big time enough to get R presidential candidates to come to their house for fundraisers. Back in 2010’ish they had one for Santorum. This year they had one for Burgham. They always have all the R candidate signs on their property. In the past 2 presidential election cycles they had a Tangeranus sign. This year they don’t.

There are WAY fewer Tangeranus signs everywhere in Eastern IA this cycle than there were in past elections. Maybe these people are still voting for him, just embarrassed to admit it. Maybe they’re not voting for him this time (they’ve had enough). Hopefully it’s the latter.

Strelnikov_

(8,170 posts)
70. Match's my observations as well
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 10:53 AM
Nov 2024

Other than the ‘shrines’, not nearly as many Orange One signs as past elections.

Did see a farmstead, Bremer or Chickasaw, up there somewhere, that had a three sign sequence, probably 4’ x 8’ signs (sub shrine class, no flags).

Orange one > Pat Grassley > and a homemade “Stop Dangerous Carbon Pipelines”

Bit of a head scratcher, that last one.

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
75. There are Trumpers around me who had signs in 2016,
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:59 AM
Nov 2024

then nothing in 2020, presumably out of embarrassment, right up until relatively recently when the Trump signs and flags came out. So I think whatever shame these Trumpers felt in 2020 no longer exists. They must figure enough time has passed since 2016.

Zambero

(9,990 posts)
64. Just like old times?
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 10:10 PM
Nov 2024

I recall when a majority of Iowa voters went for Dukakis back in '88 when Bush won 54-46 in the national popular vote. A return to sanity in those parts would be most welcome!

peggysue2

(12,533 posts)
65. Are you feeling it yet??
Sat Nov 2, 2024, 10:40 PM
Nov 2024

Blue Wave rising. Gonna wash across the shoreline with a mighty roar!

Response to WarGamer (Original post)

hawkeye21

(313 posts)
71. Iowa voted Obama twice . . . and then Trump twice. And you think there isn't something satanic going on?
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 10:58 AM
Nov 2024

As an Iowan, it has been beyond embarrassing to see the state go from a socially progressive, politically moderate state to a gung-ho MAGA haven. For the last decade, I haven't been able to stand being around anyone I don't know because I assume they are MAGA. For a state like Iowa to be sucked into this cult, there has to be some extraordinary power at work. Iowa has had great governors of both parties: Democrat and one-time truck diver Harold Hughes to name one, and long-time Republican Gov. Robert D. Ray for another. Both were decent, honorable people who were widely respected across the political spectrum. But now Iowa has a horrible MAGA governor and a miserable MAGA legislature that's defunding its once outstanding public schools and supporting private, "religious" schools instead, and banning books and abortion, among other MAGA mischief.

So if Iowa actually does regain its senses and goes for Kamala, it will make this election even more gratifying for me personally. Make it so, then we can live long and prosper.

Thrill

(19,342 posts)
73. Someone posted that Iowa has been hit hard by the Abortion bans
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 11:40 AM
Nov 2024

Apparently they don’t have enough OBGYNs. And can’t recruit any to the state. Women there are concerned about starting families there

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
76. Lack of obgyn's hits women of all ages... seniors included
Sun Nov 3, 2024, 12:20 PM
Nov 2024

The plumbing doesnt go into hibernation once menopause hits. Blockages, cists, pap smears and other routine tests, become difficult to even diagnose let alone routinely screen for.

Its a concern for women at every age.

Im a guy, and even i know that.

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