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speak easy

(11,137 posts)
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 02:46 PM Nov 2024

[Pigs in the sky] Bill Kristol FTW

Bill Kristol
@BillKristol

I can see it coming. If Trump loses, the election commentariat is going to blame Trump's mistakes in the last week. You know who won't get credit they deserve? Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Liz Cheney, and tens of millions of women who will be responsible for defeating Trump.


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[Pigs in the sky] Bill Kristol FTW (Original Post) speak easy Nov 2024 OP
trump's problems go way farther back than last week...nt Wounded Bear Nov 2024 #1
I've been watching... GiqueCee Nov 2024 #31
The think about heredity and environment soldierant Nov 2024 #45
I read Mary's book... GiqueCee Nov 2024 #62
I didn't read the book. I'm just a (free) subscriber to her Substack. soldierant Nov 2024 #63
I want him to know that women caused his defeat. brer cat Nov 2024 #2
So do I!!! calimary Nov 2024 #24
Even if something else is BLAMED, a WOMAN still takes office. oldsoftie Nov 2024 #55
Screw credit... lame54 Nov 2024 #3
Absolutely!!!!!! Tweedy Nov 2024 #6
he is actually making a good point Skittles Nov 2024 #23
One more reason to hate Trump OrangeJoe Nov 2024 #32
Turn that around. Cheney and Kristol came around Attilatheblond Nov 2024 #49
Indeed, Wednesdays Nov 2024 #54
EXACTLY!!! Mossfern Nov 2024 #29
I wonder if they will throw Eloon under the bus tulipsandroses Nov 2024 #4
and it's worth congratulating speak easy Nov 2024 #5
Absolutely! Alice Kramden Nov 2024 #13
Joe Biden chose Kamala Twice. speak easy Nov 2024 #17
Omg it was genius Alice Kramden Nov 2024 #21
Biden has saved us numerous times wryter2000 Nov 2024 #27
100% oasis Nov 2024 #58
Everything Trump touches dies ToxMarz Nov 2024 #8
Eloon BELONGS under the bus... dchill Nov 2024 #10
In Eloon's defense (can't believe I'm typing that) GopherGal Nov 2024 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author ArkansasDemocrat1 Nov 2024 #30
Doug Enola Nov 2024 #47
Oh shit, now I have to add pig droppings from the sky to my list of worries. NNadir Nov 2024 #7
Really? Bill Kristol? I know he's been on our side this election but him being actually nice about it? Hamlette Nov 2024 #12
Agreed. I am optimistic, but can't shake the national PTSD NNadir Nov 2024 #18
Your Statement Made Me Think... GB_RN Nov 2024 #39
I don't really care; do you. They're gonna find out how unnecessary they are. onecaliberal Nov 2024 #9
Kristol has made occasional statements along this line since late in 2017 Warpy Nov 2024 #11
At The Very Least I And Pepperidge Farms Remember That Liz Cheney Is Responsible For Installing Him As POTUS MayReasonRule Nov 2024 #14
Thanks for saying it jfz9580m Nov 2024 #42
She is a no come back inside the magat party forever. Justice matters. Nov 2024 #43
I Have No Forgiveness For Liz Cheney - She Is Directly Responsible For Electing The POTUS That Killed A MillionCitizens MayReasonRule Nov 2024 #61
If she was just in it for herself she'd be sucking up like Graham, Rubio, Cruz et al oldsoftie Nov 2024 #56
I 'Believe' Nothing. I Conclude That Kamala Has A Firm Grasp Of How To 'Handle' Liz Cheney MayReasonRule Nov 2024 #60
I am awestruck BumRushDaShow Nov 2024 #15
Trump is so awful, Bill Kristol of all people Johonny Nov 2024 #16
"Effin" A, bubba! SergeStorms Nov 2024 #19
It's happening! liberalla Nov 2024 #20
Red Hatters will have no one to blame but themselves. cab67 Nov 2024 #22
they will be flying in formation et tu Nov 2024 #25
My God, mark down this day in history! lastlib Nov 2024 #26
THIS !!! Benedict Donald has always been an a-hole he didn't just turn that way in the last month uponit7771 Nov 2024 #33
M$M will never give her the credit, 100% Bias uponit7771 Nov 2024 #34
"will never give her the credit" because she is a woman. speak easy Nov 2024 #35
+1, they should be called out no doubt uponit7771 Nov 2024 #37
thud thud thud tinkle crash et tu Nov 2024 #36
He is going to lose and he knows it kimbutgar Nov 2024 #38
: : : THUD : : : Stinky The Clown Nov 2024 #40
Kristol Clear czarjak Nov 2024 #41
He's still a piece of shit. LudwigPastorius Nov 2024 #44
Trump's true believers will never COL Mustard Nov 2024 #46
Women don't need recognition to get the job done. Bluethroughu Nov 2024 #48
The dilemma for the media: SayItLoud Nov 2024 #50
Trump. is the problem wendyb-NC Nov 2024 #51
Literally every woman (and some men) I know TBA Nov 2024 #52
How far we have come. Bill Kristol. freaken PNAC Bill Kristol sky_masterson Nov 2024 #53
DICK CHENEY!! oldsoftie Nov 2024 #57
Is this the real life? sky_masterson Nov 2024 #59

GiqueCee

(1,650 posts)
31. I've been watching...
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 06:19 PM
Nov 2024

... that evil bastard's clown show for more than 40 years. He is rotten down to his DNA, with NO redeeming qualities whatsoever. Whatever fate befalls him, the punishment will never be enough to erase the harm he has done, nor the pain he has caused. He is the embodiment of mindless malice.
And to those that STILL support him, that egregious error says nothing good about your judgment or your character. That stain is indelible, and will never be forgotten, or forgiven.

soldierant

(8,152 posts)
45. The think about heredity and environment
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 12:50 AM
Nov 2024

is that parents are responsible for both.

Not only did Fred hand down his evil DNA, but his sociopathy (including consistently rewarding Donald's bad behavior and discouraging any good behavior, if any crept in) = that would have turned a betterr man than Donald into a monster. I'm citing his niece Mary for this info.

GiqueCee

(1,650 posts)
62. I read Mary's book...
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 05:59 PM
Nov 2024

... and her condemnation of this monster should be required reading for the shitbrains that still think the Sun shines outta his fat, pimply ass.

soldierant

(8,152 posts)
63. I didn't read the book. I'm just a (free) subscriber to her Substack.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 06:50 PM
Nov 2024

And she addressed this again there within the last week.

calimary

(85,100 posts)
24. So do I!!!
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:57 PM
Nov 2024

You’ve used and abused women LONG ENOUGH, donald.

Now they’ll have the last word about you: “LOSER!”

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
55. Even if something else is BLAMED, a WOMAN still takes office.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 01:57 PM
Nov 2024

he cant NOT see that!

Skittles

(161,488 posts)
23. he is actually making a good point
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:54 PM
Nov 2024

the accomplishments of women and POC are consistently diminished

OrangeJoe

(462 posts)
32. One more reason to hate Trump
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 06:24 PM
Nov 2024

Trump has made me agree with the Master of War, Dick Cheney and now this butt licker Kristol. Let's get Trump in jail where he belongs and get back to disagreeing with these war mongers.

Wednesdays

(20,328 posts)
54. Indeed,
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 01:33 PM
Nov 2024

I'm sure OrangeJoe was on our side LONG before Cheney and Kristol ever considered throwing their support behind Democrats!

tulipsandroses

(6,665 posts)
4. I wonder if they will throw Eloon under the bus
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 02:54 PM
Nov 2024

His ground game operation has not delivered. MAGA might start conspiracies that he was a “ Democrat plant”.

I agree with Kristol. Kamala has conducted a master class. Extremely disciplined. The “press” tried to knock her off her game a few times, and they couldn’t. Kudos to the Harris/Walz team.

speak easy

(11,137 posts)
5. and it's worth congratulating
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 03:01 PM
Nov 2024

the President for the ground game his campaign had put in place by the time Kamala got his endorsement. Nobody has more experience of grass roots campaigning than Joe Biden.

Alice Kramden

(2,492 posts)
13. Absolutely!
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:23 PM
Nov 2024

My admiration for President Biden is sky high, for his acumen, political prowess, and excellent ground preparation for Harris' run

speak easy

(11,137 posts)
17. Joe Biden chose Kamala Twice.
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:34 PM
Nov 2024

There were a lot of naysayers the second time around, but the President herded the cats as only he can.

Alice Kramden

(2,492 posts)
21. Omg it was genius
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:41 PM
Nov 2024

Hard work, great instincts, and political savvy. The right man at the right time

ToxMarz

(2,256 posts)
8. Everything Trump touches dies
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 03:32 PM
Nov 2024

Why would Musk be immune.

I trust he will regret his decision to become a political operative first and foremost, he has MUCH too lose. Unbelivable they can never be satisfied with what they have.

GopherGal

(2,402 posts)
28. In Eloon's defense (can't believe I'm typing that)
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 05:15 PM
Nov 2024

TSF knee-capped his own ground game by setting his daughter-in-law atop the RNC to divert all the funding to pay for his legal expenses.

Response to tulipsandroses (Reply #4)

Enola

(37 posts)
47. Doug
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 08:22 AM
Nov 2024

I appreciate Doug Emhoff and his kids for supporting her and helping to keep her going. Thanks guys. Also her sister.

Hamlette

(15,550 posts)
12. Really? Bill Kristol? I know he's been on our side this election but him being actually nice about it?
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:07 PM
Nov 2024

Last edited Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:45 PM - Edit history (1)

and to women? They are flying high.

Bless him being nice on a day when I'm so nervous.

edited to change typo and autocorrect: outside to our side, makes a difference.

NNadir

(35,057 posts)
18. Agreed. I am optimistic, but can't shake the national PTSD
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:38 PM
Nov 2024

May that asshole rot in prison.

GB_RN

(3,295 posts)
39. Your Statement Made Me Think...
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 09:34 PM
Nov 2024

About how many more people than usual, were hit by depression, anxiety and PTSD from Cantaloupe Caligula the Corpulent’s pResidency. Add in COVID, plus all the non-stop bullshit Caligula has done over the last four years, SCOTUS killing women’s rights and on and on, ad nauseam.

Please, let this long, national nightmare end.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
11. Kristol has made occasional statements along this line since late in 2017
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:06 PM
Nov 2024

when it became obvious that TFG wasn't going to pleasantly surprise anyone by showing competence that had been in hiding beneath the divisive bombast.

I think he's hoping, like I am, that we manage to outvote the MCPs of both genders by a wide enough margin that eveb TFG is forced to admit, at least privately, that he just plain lost. Again.

MayReasonRule

(2,095 posts)
14. At The Very Least I And Pepperidge Farms Remember That Liz Cheney Is Responsible For Installing Him As POTUS
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:24 PM
Nov 2024

Liz Cheney has not disavowed the Republican National Committee, The Republican Party, or her own personal brand of theocratic fascism.

Liz Cheney is in it for Liz Cheney.

It just so happens that she's one of the smarter fascist rats attempting to carve out power for herself.

That's my perception of what things are as I review the facts that are in evidence.

I don't trust her worth a shit.

jfz9580m

(15,584 posts)
42. Thanks for saying it
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 11:44 PM
Nov 2024

Any defector at this point in time is welcome.
I am all for anything that gets Trump away from power but that aside I dislike Liz Cheney and that type of person as much as I always did.
Never Trump GOP is still GOP.

I do go like this 🤮 over anything I read in the media about Cheney that is at all a hair more positive than, “well okay not entirely crazy for a goper”. She is still pro life etc etc.

Good that she is anti trump, but that aside she is a Cheney. I became politically aware during the Iraq War and have never forgotten what the Bushies and Cheneys were like. But, yeah Trump is far worse. After I wrote that last line i realized that is not what I think. I think Trump is a natural “evolution”. Bush and Cheney in 2000-2004 would result in a Trump some 10-20 years later.

It is time to move left instead of constantly scrambling to the least right shifted centre imo.

Justice matters.

(7,800 posts)
43. She is a no come back inside the magat party forever.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 12:25 AM
Nov 2024

Thus, she has no future on the dark side.

At least we can thank her for choosing to defend the Constitution this final one time for her in politics.

She worked hard to defend it in the Select Committee and she stood up to the magats by telling the truth of that day.

MayReasonRule

(2,095 posts)
61. I Have No Forgiveness For Liz Cheney - She Is Directly Responsible For Electing The POTUS That Killed A MillionCitizens
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 04:17 PM
Nov 2024

I consider her a useful fascist.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
56. If she was just in it for herself she'd be sucking up like Graham, Rubio, Cruz et al
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 02:03 PM
Nov 2024

She lost her House seat, gets death threats every day, has little to no fundraising, etc
It would've been very easy to even just stay quiet & she'd still be in the House.
She's never said she changed her views & Harris has openly said "we dont agree on much". She's called out Republicans for NOT speaking out.
I'm happy to have her working against trump. I believe she means it.

MayReasonRule

(2,095 posts)
60. I 'Believe' Nothing. I Conclude That Kamala Has A Firm Grasp Of How To 'Handle' Liz Cheney
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 04:13 PM
Nov 2024

I've got less than zero trust in Liz Cheney.

Less than zero.

BumRushDaShow

(146,650 posts)
15. I am awestruck
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:31 PM
Nov 2024

at Bill Kristol, who at one time in the distant past, was barely a level above Charles Krauthammer.

Johonny

(22,638 posts)
16. Trump is so awful, Bill Kristol of all people
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:32 PM
Nov 2024

Has become a voice of reason. He really has been quite readable since 2020. It might be the biggest shocker of the Trump Era.

SergeStorms

(19,381 posts)
19. "Effin" A, bubba!
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:40 PM
Nov 2024

Women are finally going to be listened to. Their voices will finally be heard!

cab67

(3,254 posts)
22. Red Hatters will have no one to blame but themselves.
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 04:51 PM
Nov 2024

They had warning upon warning upon warning that they were supporting a scumbag who did an exemplary job of offending potential supporters.

uponit7771

(92,308 posts)
33. THIS !!! Benedict Donald has always been an a-hole he didn't just turn that way in the last month
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 07:34 PM
Nov 2024

speak easy

(11,137 posts)
35. "will never give her the credit" because she is a woman.
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 07:49 PM
Nov 2024

She only wins because The Man ran a terrible campaign.

czarjak

(12,629 posts)
41. Kristol Clear
Mon Nov 4, 2024, 10:38 PM
Nov 2024

Weren't we scum for not being conservative republicans during the Bush Years? (Asking for the majority)

LudwigPastorius

(11,500 posts)
44. He's still a piece of shit.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 12:34 AM
Nov 2024

"It's the tears. She pretended to cry, the women felt sorry for her, and she won." - Kristol after Hillary Clinton won the 2008 New Hampshire primary

"Look, the only people for Hillary Clinton are the Democratic establishment and white women. ... White women are a problem, that's, you know—we all live with that. [laughter]" - Bill Kristol on FOX 2018

COL Mustard

(7,153 posts)
46. Trump's true believers will never
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 06:29 AM
Nov 2024

Admit that he made mistakes. It's not possible. They'll blame the fake media, or deepfakes, or anyone but DonOld.

Bluethroughu

(6,682 posts)
48. Women don't need recognition to get the job done.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 08:57 AM
Nov 2024

They've been doing it since...fforever.

Sign the ERA!

SayItLoud

(1,750 posts)
50. The dilemma for the media:
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 11:01 AM
Nov 2024

--Can they get higher ratings dissecting why tRUMP lost?

or

--Can they get higher ratings following the chaos of tRUMP winning?

TBA

(842 posts)
52. Literally every woman (and some men) I know
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 01:27 PM
Nov 2024

has been donating, working, canvasing , hosting epic post card parties and more. It's like nothing I've ever seen.

sky_masterson

(569 posts)
53. How far we have come. Bill Kristol. freaken PNAC Bill Kristol
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 01:32 PM
Nov 2024

How big of a threat to Democracy is Trump that the last threat to Democracy is on the right side of democracy?
My head hurts. I think I need Weed...

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