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Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:20 PM Nov 2024

This is not going to be a blowout.

It is not going to be a 2012 style romp either.

This is turning into a very tight race. It mirrors 2020 in some respects. The data does not seem to suggest Harris is overperforming the polls.

I think Harris will win, especially with turnout in Philly, but it's going to be close. This election is going to be decided by a few thousand votes across multiple states.

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This is not going to be a blowout. (Original Post) Self Esteem Nov 2024 OP
I feel sick to my stomach XanaDUer2 Nov 2024 #1
Same here oswaldactedalone Nov 2024 #3
Me too QED Nov 2024 #27
Same here debm55 Nov 2024 #58
I think Harris is likely to win, but a Democratic Senate majority seems like a miracle at this point. tritsofme Nov 2024 #2
This. orange jar Nov 2024 #6
I thought holding the .Senate would be a miracle even moonscape Nov 2024 #15
I am sick to my stomach edisdead Nov 2024 #4
You mean exactly what the polls were saying D_Master81 Nov 2024 #5
Yes. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #8
I agree. missaj Nov 2024 #25
These types of posts turn my anxiety up to level 100 Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #7
This was always a coin flip. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2024 #9
NY Times' Needle is treading the wrong way krawhitham Nov 2024 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #11
She was not ahead in the polls krawhitham Nov 2024 #17
The polls were even. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #19
Results are not complete and states don't provide them at same time LiberalFighter Nov 2024 #47
What poll? Groundhawg Nov 2024 #57
Don't know why anyone thought it would be. Xolodno Nov 2024 #12
Others have said it, this was never a blow out.. berkerly6240 Nov 2024 #13
I am losing my faith in my fellow Americans to make good choices surfered Nov 2024 #14
Faith K221 Nov 2024 #52
A tight race means SCOTUS will possibly decide the winner. Kablooie Nov 2024 #16
This will be a blowout, just don't expect the media to report on it Jason1961 Nov 2024 #18
The good news is that you don't need the media to report the results to you. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #21
Yeah, the media irrationally reports votes. iemanja Nov 2024 #32
How is your blowout going? iemanja Nov 2024 #63
It never was going to be a blowout. Ace Rothstein Nov 2024 #20
Plenty said it. I was always called a concern troll for suggesting this was a toss-up. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #22
Same here Polybius Nov 2024 #53
I got bullish with my final prediction after a conference call with Dem leaders on Monday. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #56
A lot of people who were on the fence voted early Polybius Nov 2024 #59
I'm the same as you... Blasphemer Nov 2024 #62
It's still early ... we're going to have a definitive win ... but it takes time to count all the votes FakeNoose Nov 2024 #23
If Harris wins, it'll be by fewer electoral votes than Biden saw in 2020. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #24
Please stop it................... Lovie777 Nov 2024 #26
Thank you! Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #28
Do you want me to lie? Self Esteem Nov 2024 #31
Get ready for Trump's traditional tweet of Diraven Nov 2024 #54
Since he's no longer the President, it doesn't matter what he says FakeNoose Nov 2024 #60
If the Philly Special wins this for us EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #29
I knew it wouldn't be iemanja Nov 2024 #30
I'm disappointed with how many Americans are okay Bluethroughu Nov 2024 #33
What? JackedUpMel Nov 2024 #40
If somebody talks like Hitler, plans like Hilter and Bluethroughu Nov 2024 #46
Post removed Post removed Nov 2024 #64
Of all the years for Selzer to be wrong... BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2024 #34
Winning the right states Livluvgrow Nov 2024 #35
I think that's her most likely map minus NC. I don't think she wins NC. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #36
The convicted Felon and rabble rouser should be behind bars. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2024 #37
January 6th should have been the end of it. Initech Nov 2024 #42
Been saying that all along Cosmocat Nov 2024 #38
Good vibes everybody. Let's keep up the optimism. Red states always get called first. onetexan Nov 2024 #39
I'm not sure who genuinely thought it would be? EllieBC Nov 2024 #41
A lot of people got on many of our cases for saying this was a toss-up election. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #43
Yea, I ForgedCrank Nov 2024 #45
Let's all ForgedCrank Nov 2024 #44
I will be able to say I voted with the majority Emile Nov 2024 #48
Maybe the plurality. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #49
You really think Trump will get the popular vote? Emile Nov 2024 #50
No. Hillary won only 48% of the popular vote in 2016... Self Esteem Nov 2024 #51
what we are seeing is the results of voter suppression, billionaire money & foreign influence taking a toll yaesu Nov 2024 #55
Anyone watching knew this nycbos Nov 2024 #61
This must Rebl2 Nov 2024 #65
Heartbreaking Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #66

tritsofme

(19,895 posts)
2. I think Harris is likely to win, but a Democratic Senate majority seems like a miracle at this point.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:22 PM
Nov 2024

moonscape

(5,715 posts)
15. I thought holding the .Senate would be a miracle even
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:27 PM
Nov 2024

as I expected her margin to be a lot greater than it will likely turn out to be.

My calm now has butterflies.

D_Master81

(2,571 posts)
5. You mean exactly what the polls were saying
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:23 PM
Nov 2024

My rule for 20 years of following elections is don’t disregard polls you don’t like.

missaj

(41 posts)
25. I agree.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:35 PM
Nov 2024

The polls have been telling us for weeks that this race is close and could go either way. Kamala told us she was the underdog.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,983 posts)
9. This was always a coin flip.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:23 PM
Nov 2024

I don’t know why anyone thought otherwise. As much as we can’t believe anyone would vote for him, they think the same of us.

The sad part is, we can win by 8-10 million in popular vote and still lose.

Response to Self Esteem (Original post)

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
19. The polls were even.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:29 PM
Nov 2024

The results will likely be almost even - within one or two points at the most in most swing states.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
47. Results are not complete and states don't provide them at same time
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:59 PM
Nov 2024

That is states have different closing hours. And each county needs to collect from the polling places before they are uploaded to the state.

Until there is enough data they are not going to announce it.

It is too early to declare Kamala as the winner. Never has been announced this early.

Xolodno

(7,349 posts)
12. Don't know why anyone thought it would be.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:26 PM
Nov 2024

The orange one was campaigning the day he left the Oval office.

Kablooie

(19,107 posts)
16. A tight race means SCOTUS will possibly decide the winner.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:27 PM
Nov 2024

The Rs will mount so many lawsuits that will make SCOTUS the kingmaker in the end.
You know how that will turn out.

I sure hope we are all wrong and a blue tidal wave emerges before the end.
That could be the only way our country will be saved from as eternal, despotic dictatorship.

Jason1961

(461 posts)
18. This will be a blowout, just don't expect the media to report on it
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:28 PM
Nov 2024

The second viewers decide the race is over they turn the TV off

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
21. The good news is that you don't need the media to report the results to you.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:30 PM
Nov 2024

You can review them yourself and compare the data to 2020 and 2016 and 2012 to see a trend.

If you do that, you'll see that this race is not a blowout and won't be a blowout. I'd say right now Harris is likely the underdog in Georgia and North Carolina and we just don't know about PA, MI or WI yet.

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
56. I got bullish with my final prediction after a conference call with Dem leaders on Monday.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 10:07 PM
Nov 2024

They felt things were breaking their way and these aren't folks who blow smoke up your butt.

I didn't think it would be a blowout but I did think Harris would take Georgia and North Carolina based on the buzz I was hearing.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219654069

Which is funny because a week before, the mood was decidedly different. Very cautious and that it would be a tight, tight - tight race.

And that's when I made this prediction:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219631335

Looks like that might be closer to reality.

Polybius

(21,889 posts)
59. A lot of people who were on the fence voted early
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 10:11 PM
Nov 2024

Trump had an awful last 2 weeks. I bet some early Trump voters regretted their votes.

Blasphemer

(3,623 posts)
62. I'm the same as you...
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 10:14 PM
Nov 2024

I told my aunt that Harris would secure the Blue Wall but lose NV, AZ, NC, and GA by a hair. I felt sure about that for months. Then I got caught up in the excitement (especially with all the GOTV efforts here in NC). The bottom line is that people are pissed off enough about inflation that other issues are taking a backseat. That said - so long as she wins, I don't care what the electoral votes look like.

FakeNoose

(41,579 posts)
23. It's still early ... we're going to have a definitive win ... but it takes time to count all the votes
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:33 PM
Nov 2024

We're fine, please stop worrying.

It was never going to be a "blowout" or a "landslide." I was cautioning DUers from using those terms.
Here's a clue: it won't be decided tonight. But I believe we should know by sometime tomorrow.
(Hopefully early in the day, but we'll see.)


 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
24. If Harris wins, it'll be by fewer electoral votes than Biden saw in 2020.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:35 PM
Nov 2024

I am not liking what is happening in NC and GA at the moment.

But more importantly: this tells me that the polls were generally spot on and that this was a toss-up race despite everyone thinking it wasn't.

No need to doom yet. She still wins this by winning Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Its just that at the moment, alternative paths to 270 seem unlikely.

EnergizedLib

(3,025 posts)
29. If the Philly Special wins this for us
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:37 PM
Nov 2024

I will not deride any Phillies, Eagles, Flyers or Sixers fans for the next four years. But I hope Philly fans won't take any liberties.

iemanja

(57,751 posts)
30. I knew it wouldn't be
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:38 PM
Nov 2024

In fact those blow out threads irritated me because they were so divorced from reality. People were thinking their wishes were facts. Of course we’d all like her to win huge, but the data didn’t and doesn’t support that.

God willing, she will win this close election.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
33. I'm disappointed with how many Americans are okay
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:40 PM
Nov 2024

With Sedition, Fascism, Hate, and putrid behavior.

 

JackedUpMel

(4 posts)
40. What?
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:49 PM
Nov 2024

Seriously… the Trump is literally Hitler line is one of the reasons we lose votes


Just stop

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
46. If somebody talks like Hitler, plans like Hilter and
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:57 PM
Nov 2024

Acts like Hitler...it's a fascist.

Nothing you say, can change what I've heard.

Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #46)

Livluvgrow

(380 posts)
35. Winning the right states
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:41 PM
Nov 2024

If Kamala wins NC, PA, MI, and NV she will have 292 to 246 that's a blowout in my book. One can hope.

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,412 posts)
37. The convicted Felon and rabble rouser should be behind bars.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:43 PM
Nov 2024

Not the Oval Office alongside the fascists and parasites.

Initech

(108,719 posts)
42. January 6th should have been the end of it.
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:51 PM
Nov 2024

Fuck Fox News and the Heritage Foundation to the hottest circle of hell for putting us in this situation.

Cosmocat

(15,418 posts)
38. Been saying that all along
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:45 PM
Nov 2024

Such great energy w Kamala, but people here mostly underestimated Trumps support.

EllieBC

(3,639 posts)
41. I'm not sure who genuinely thought it would be?
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:51 PM
Nov 2024

There’s optimism and then there is large doses of copium and hopium.

I am just praying we win.

ForgedCrank

(3,092 posts)
45. Yea, I
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:56 PM
Nov 2024

just stopped trying after getting attacked so much. I understand that we need to stay positive, that is key. But we also need to be realistic. I still think we have a great shot at this, but it's way too close to be comfortable, and it has been for a few months now.

ForgedCrank

(3,092 posts)
44. Let's all
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 09:54 PM
Nov 2024

just relax. Some have been trying to warn about this for some time, but this isn't an all-is-lost thing. Yes, it's going to be tight. But I still have faith that we will prevail. don't forget, the largest of the large districts take a LOT longer to finalize, and those create massive shifts in the numbers when they finally come in, so we shouldn't get worked up. Let's see what it looks like tomorrow, not right now

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
51. No. Hillary won only 48% of the popular vote in 2016...
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 10:04 PM
Nov 2024

...not a majority.

I'm saying I see something similar happening with Harris. She wins the popular vote but not with a majority of it.

yaesu

(9,306 posts)
55. what we are seeing is the results of voter suppression, billionaire money & foreign influence taking a toll
Tue Nov 5, 2024, 10:07 PM
Nov 2024

oh, and not having real media in this country.

Dem4life1234

(2,533 posts)
66. Heartbreaking
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:49 PM
Nov 2024

And we all thought she would win, if only a tiny bit. Just a bit.

She is still a winner in my eyes.

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