I'm so ashamed of America tonight.

[GaYellowDawg]

There is no way that this race would be close if we lived in an educated or third world country.

[RockRaven]

1. Just tonight? I am every day.

[Silent Type]

2. At this point, hoping we barely avoid white wing Admin, like some of the European countries did last election. nt

[BootinUp]

3. I tried to warn everyone that the propaganda on the social apps

was going to be the biggest problem. I feel like Democrats tried to just ignore it. We will be lucky to win this. Not over, not over yet.

[Montauk6]

13. You wanna talk about "Both Sides"...

The Democrats get hit HARD by Republican AND far-left propaganda--the latter especially offensive because it STILL plays on that self-serving "both parties are the same so I'm going to vote 3rd party or just stay home, THAT'LL show 'em" garbage. (smh)

[markodochartaigh]

18. Between foreign oligarchs and Sillycon

Valley techbros the apps are owned by the reich-wing. I think that the Democratic party needs to address this as a priority. Voters are only going to keep getting younger.

[BComplex]

24. I agree. And it's really a huge problem. It's a bigger problem that all these techbros are also into

crazy-coin, and they are spending, literally BILLIONS, to get republicans into any possible office. JDVance is the lap dog of just such a techbro crazy-coin terrorist.

[markodochartaigh]

30. Yes, Peter Thiel.

Before Trump only Iran and Libya talked about an alternative to the dollar as reserve currency. During Trump even Germany and France talked about it.

If the Republicans tank Social Security millions of seniors will be forced to sell their homes into a market spiraling downward in order to get money for their living expenses. Seniors will lose their major asset and young people will lose their inheritance. The houses will be bought up in bulk for pennies on the dollar in cash by hedge funds.


If the dollar loses reserve currency status inflation will truly ravage the US economy. Bitcoin may skyrocket. The ultimate style over substance.

If the Republicans get control the US will look far different in the future.

[BComplex]

31. Not just look far different,

mostly unrecognizable.

[markodochartaigh]

36. More like Russia in 2000

after the oiligarchs had sucked it dry.

[GaYellowDawg]

37. That's exactly where we're headed.

I think in 10 years, the U.S. and Russia will look like twins.

[LiberalLovinLug]

22. Totally agree.

They had four years to indoctrinate their voters.
I think there was a silent Trump voter that had already made up their minds two or three years ago. And the plethora of unchecked disinformation against Democrats continually reinforced their delusions. They were just waiting for Nov 2024 to mark the x.

[FarPoint]

4. We need to have.....

EVERY VOTE COUNTED,,,,,Let's not act like we are at the drive thru at McDonald's...counting can go on for another day in several essential states....

[FirstLight]

23. Yeah, as part of the problem with a huge population and country imo

It takes so long to count how many millions of people's votes?
I understand that we want the transparency and that everybody needs to be able to see the votes actually being counted but watching how the sausage is made is not always a good thing. I think it tends to lead people especially those that are less educated or informed to get conspiratorial.

Then again, if we didn't see all of this unfolding before our eyes would we believe it?

Democracy is a wonderful idea and concept, it's just so hard to implement in a large scale. And then you add in the disinformation from other places and social media and all the other bullshit that we have to deal with today that they didn't have to deal with 200 years ago.. and it's going to look like a clusterfuck.

I personally agree with you though I don't think things are going to be actually called until a couple of days. And all of us running around here with our hair on fire because of what's going on tonight is no different than Trump saying at midnight eastern time that he won. Don't give them the satisfaction!

[North Shore Chicago]

5. Indeed.

They have been infiltrating the public school system for over 30 years with non scientific garbage, with unreal expectations of women as breeders only and so on. We need to to get back to teaching Civics, Social Studies, Science.

[BComplex]

26. Yes! You can post THAT again!

I've been shouting at Rachel and the gang all night that "it's because of the media slant", and that the republicans yanked civics/social studies out of schools.

Republicans are really bad at governing, but they're genius at being persevering for the long game. They've been working on this moment for years, and trump made it all possible in 4 short years.

[Dem4life1234]

6. It is the rural areas, not the urban areas!

A bunch of ignorant and uneducated morons. They really drag down the country.

[The Madcap]

8. That was the plan

Keep em out of school, keep em working, and then just let em die... rinse and repeat

[ZonkerHarris]

14. explain the gains in the Latino votes in and near the cities.

[Susan Calvin]

15. When I heard about the Latino votes

I just about despaired. Maybe it's a knee-jerk reaction on my part, but to be honest I'm blaming misogyny. I am open to correction, but that was my first thought.

[littlemissmartypants]

25. There's evidence that...

Hispanic males in particular are choosing to identify as white/non Hispanic and vote in the same vein.

And other crazy racist reasons.

Reference:

In 'Defectors,' journalist Paola Ramos explores the effects of Trumpism on the Latino vote

Portrait of Pamela Avila

By Pamela Avila for USA TODAY

In "Defectors: The Rise of the Latino Far Right and What It Means for America," Paola Ramos explores how race, identity and political trauma have ignited a far-right sentiment among Latinos and how this inconspicuous group is shaping American politics.

Latinos are not a monolith.

We've heard that time and again, particularly when it comes to decoding the "Latino vote" during an election year. And time and again, the 63 million Hispanics or Latinos living in the U.S. (36 million of which are eligible to vote) have proven that very sentiment right. In 2020, Donald Trump won a higher percentage of the Latino vote than he did in 2016, and according to a recent Pew Research Center report, that number continues to shift.

So, despite Trump's anti-immigration rhetoric and border policies, why are Latinos tempted to vote against their own community? Why do Latinos feel comfortable among the far-right? What roles do tribalism, trauma and traditionalism play in all of this, and why should we listen to this growing group of voters?
Those are all questions Emmy-winning journalist Paola Ramos seeks to answer in "Defectors: The Rise of the Latino Far Right and What It Means for America" (Pantheon, pp. 256, out now).

The Telemudno News and MSNBC contributor's follow-up to "Finding Latin-X: In Search of the Voices Redefining Latino Identity" explores how race, identity and political trauma have ignited a far-right sentiment among Latinos and how this group is shaping American politics.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/books/2024/09/27/paola-ramos-defectors-book-latino-trump-voters/75372411007/?origin=serp_auto

❤️pants

[BComplex]

33. Paola Ramos is my hero.

She's smart and well spoken, and she's raised everyone's knowledge of hispanics as a significant part of our country and culture.

[littlemissmartypants]

34. I find her analysis...

Not just timely bit prescient. We really need to learn how to make better assessments of ourselves and others. Her work serves as a light on the path.

Thanks for your reply, BComplex. ❤️

[BComplex]

35. I've thought she was awesome since the first time I saw her on MSNBC.

And, yeah, prescient says it right!

[uponit7771]

17. No radio outreach throughout off years

[markodochartaigh]

20. The evangelicals have made huge inroads in

Hispanic communities, in the US and abroad. That coupled with the extremely reich-wing opus "dei" influenced US Catholic church are driving many Hispanic communities rightward.

[SoCalDavidS]

7. And You Weren't During The Covid Crisis?

I realized it back in 2000 and 2004, but the 2020-2022 Covid experience solidified that I Hate this country, and probably will never love living here in the future.

[GaYellowDawg]

12. Biden's election gave me hope

And the media didn't seem nearly so collaborationist then.

[aeromanKC]

9. There is no more America.

We're living in Idiocracy and Handmaid's Tale in real time.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

10. They attacked education for decades.

They knew what they were doing.

[Turbineguy]

11. A lot of Americans hate other Americans.

[Nigrum Cattus]

19. Yes

Mostly due to social media & corp. media.
I guess you really can't underestimate the influence.

[hay rick]

28. We have an impaired culture.

[mtngirl47]

16. no words

[tonekat]

21. Just amazing. I've lost my faith in America.

Unbelievable. The economy is great. But the yahoos want a low-rent charlatan to be their leader.

Learn from experience? Not the American Taliban, which is taking up more and more of the country as time goes on.

[Farmgirl1961]

27. Me too

To the point that I really don’t belong and will be seriously considering becoming an expat…

[Frank D. Lincoln]

29. Race and Gender.

All of our U.S. presidents have been white males except for Obama.

None of our U.S. presidents have been female.

But a black female president? Both demographics go against America's voting history.

Given the above, it's looking like we would have had a better chance if Biden had stayed in the race if for no other reason than he's a white male. Purely in terms of race and gender (despite being continually hounded by the news media about his age and his gaffes) he would've been more electable than Harris (I suspect that Biden himself understood this even though he would've never come out and said it).

If Trump does win, the reason I miscalculated is that I thought that, given how extremely awful he is and how much of a threat to democracy he poses, Kamala Harris, though a black female, would be able to defeat him (she still might win, even though at the moment things don't seem to be trending in her favor in the battleground states).

[turbinetree]

32. We are the stupidest bunch running around since the civil war...........it looks you right in the face and passing

CLSSSIFIED Secretes AT Least 7 PHONE Call to Russia and everything is just fucking okay............and the hill bellies are in charge to let him get away with it...............because the back stops have bee n sold............Now I can walk down the street and actually see traitors selling out my freedom.............this country if fucked.....................with a CAPITAL..........F

You think the stock market is going to stay at 43ooooo.........................I got a starlink I can sell you..............