FINE... I'll be the first to say it: I wish Biden hadn't dropped out.

[notroot]

I know it was his choice, and he is elderly.

But America gave him 20 million votes we didn't give Harris.

Why? Because he's a WHITE MAN.

We gambled, like we did in 2016, that America had evolved beyond its sexist, racist roots.

And like 2016, we lost. This time we lost even bigger: we lost the popular vote?

Do the math.

Americans are garbage people.

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EDIT: You're right. Biden probably wouldn't have won either. Maybe he should've dropped out sooner so we could nominate a middle-aged wealthy white man.

Most Americans are garbage people, though. Would anything have made a difference?

They wanted their rapist racist. Now they've got him, and so do we.

[newdeal2]

1. I think whoever the Dem candidate was would have lost

Voters wanted to punish us for a variety of reasons and our messaging/ issues didn’t resonate.

Harris ran a great campaign but it didn’t matter in the end.

[pimpbot]

9. Possibly only a tech bro / financial type

White man. Thats the only type of person I could see winning against Trump. I don't know too many that fit that description and are democrats though.

People appear to be tired about trans rights, creating inclusive environments, cancel culture, having to resume their student loan payments, and the fact their covid checks stopped coming.

[KnoxVol]

16. Probably true

Biden didn't do Harris any favors - the late drop (which was a necessity, imo), the perceived distancing from her, the gaffes.

At the end of the day, the economy was felt up and down the social spectrum and it reflected at the ballot box. Sure, it's a good economy now and one that Biden did an admirable job of steering us through to get to this point after what he was handed, but the vast majority of the voter base felt the pain over the past few years.

I thought abortion and the fact that Trump is a traitor/criminal/etc. would have been enough to put us over the top just enough to win, but as the old saying goes "it's the economy, stupid". Problem is, I fear we are going to be in much worse shape in 4 years and by then, will it even matter?

[kerouac2]

2. Possible for sure

It would have been a verbal gaff vs gaff senility battle thing. Maybe he would have pulled it off. Since he's a white dude. That bakes in a certain amt sadly

[notroot]

6. Exactly my ugly point about this ugly people.

Men (white and latino) and white women won this election for Trump.

[durablend]

3. Wouldn't have made a difference

[SilverDawg]

4. And the voters

Went with the OLD MAN anyway. Doesn’t make sense.

[Different Drummer]

56. Exactly.

[GreenEyedLefty]

5. I think Democrats need to reckon with the reality of such widespread misogyny

I'm not sure if Joe would have won either. The rigors of campaigning would have made things so much worse.

[notroot]

13. Yah not saying Joe would've won. Nor am I saying Harris (I should say "we") ran a bad campaign

We fought. Our ground game was historic. We knocked on doors and made calls and sent postcards and talked to friends and family.

We FOUGHT for democracy.

And lost to sexists and racists. There's more of them than there is of us, and their hate is stronger than our nebulous "community".

[brush]

25. trump's win shows that racism and misogyny is much worst than we thought.

And a certain POC demograhic voted 45 percent for trump, a jump up from 32 percent for trump in 2020.

And btw, Black voters support for trump was just 12 percent. The same as it was in 2020.

I will never get that demographic, who will remain nameless, what the fuck is wrong with them? Some will have relatives and people close to them rounded up for deportation.

[notroot]

30. It's because it's never been one demographic. It's heterogeneous.

Anti-Black racism is rampant in Miami-Dade county, for example. As a white guy, I'm on the receiving end of all kinds of snide whispered "jokes" that I have to shut down. I have heard white and latino men say the most disgusting shit you can imagine. I should wear a wire 24/7 it would be eye-opening, but nobody would want to listen to it.

People are people, and people suck.

Nobody wants to face the reality that we are a deeply sexist, racist country. Most men are sexist, and most white and latino people are racist. The end.

[brush]

36. I didn't want to say it, but what is up with so many Latino men?

Most Dems were thinking they are allies, but 45 percent of them voting for a white supremacist, wannabe dictator...I'll never get it.

[dhol82]

51. I think it's the macho thing

They want their men to be “real he-men.” And authoritarian like who can control those around them.

[True Blue American]

31. I know quite a few were angry that Joe. Was forced out. By the corrupt media

And scared Democrats. I am not happy.

[milestogo]

7. Or maybe he should have dropped out much earlier, leaving time for a real primary.

[Meadowoak]

35. The media did this. They would have attacked

Whomever our nominee was while praising Trump. They allowed Trump's cheerleaders to come and lie their asses off and not even try to correct them. Murdock won.

[MOJohn]

8. The one person with a proven record of beating Trump

[WarGamer]

10. expecting 2020 turnout was silly...

2020 was an "asterisk election" because of loosened election laws due to COVID.

[Cirroc]

11. He would have

Done much worse. He has no communication skills anymore. She at least gave us a chance.

[notroot]

19. Not saying he would've won. Saying we lost because most Americans are garbage people.

Just venting, really.

Just venting my spleen on the Internet, still half-drunk at 8am

[cachukis]

12. We are not going to raise the level of consciousness

of people who find glee at our despair.

[Silent Type]

14. I"m convinced it would have been worse. We gave our best shot considering.

[notroot]

21. Fuck yeah we did. We fought for democracy and lost to garbage people.

It just makes me sad for my nation. I'm not a patriot, anymore.

I threw my US flag away at 5:30 am. Couldn't sleep, too much anxiety. So I decided to start drinking. Still drinking now at 8am.

[brush]

40. Yep, VP Harris ran a near-flawless campaign in the short three months she had.

IMO if she had more time to introduce herself to the nation, results would've been different. VPs are unknown quantities for the most part. Pence just sat there for four years like an elf on shelf. Nobody knew who he was.

Turns out he had enough cohones to not back trump in his insurrection plot.

But back to reality, VP Harris proved to meet and exceed all the marks...just needed more time. A couple of more debates with trump would've made a big difference.

[Scrivener7]

15. He wouldn't have done better.

I was frightened about Kamala because I thought a woman couldn't win. I thought I was proven wrong because of the really fine campaign she ran. I was so happy to have been proven wrong.

But I wasn't wrong.

I am a woman. I hate to say this, but if we ever have another election, we need to run a middle-aged, white, protestant man. I hate that that is true, but it's true.

[notroot]

22. That's it exactly. Thank you for saying what I was trying to say.

Sorry. I've been drinking since last night.

[brush]

17. Nah. He was behind 32 points before that poor debate performance.

trump and the rethugs wanted Biden to be the opponent.

[ecstatic]

18. He would not have won. The media and voters refused to look past the visual

and the visual was/is bad.

I lay this at the feet of mcconnell, senate republicans, barr and then Garland. All of them failed to hold a coup plotter accountable in a timely fashion

[riversedge]

34. The visuals of Trump were worse IMHO, yet here we are. d***!!

[tulipsandroses]

41. Amen to this. That is where the majority of the blame lies. Its not Joe, Its not Kamala, Its not Tim. Its the cowards

that failed to act to protect democracy.
He got a big assist from the media. Everything Joe did was up for scrutiny, if he misspoke, it was a sign of dementia. Yet - trump was given a free pass.

I don't wish suffering on anyone. But it will remain true that everything trump touches dies. There will be pain.
Slashes to Medicare, SS, Obamacare
More women will die
For all the people complaining about the price of eggs and thinking trump was the answer, well let's see how that works out with his tariffs and deporting migrants that work in the food industry. Whaddya think the price of eggs will be then?
Putin will have free reign to do whatever the hell he wants
Sigh. I will remain hopeful that we will have an election in 4 years and some of these folks will regret their vote and make a better choice. But to be honest, between the brainwashing of Fox, religion, social media - I don't know how optimistic I should be - that they ever start believing facts.

[BeyondGeography]

20. Biden only would have lost more states

NM, VA, MN and maybe even more. He has basically no ability to communicate effectively anymore. It would have been sad and needlessly cruel.

[XanaDUer2]

23. Yeah, me too

I was just saying that.

[notroot]

24. We would've still lost, probably. Most Americans are garbage people.

They want someone who represents THEM and THEIR garbage interests.

[PatSeg]

26. I don't know if Joe would have lost,

but it sure didn't help to have him attacked by so many fellow Democrats. That is something I will never forget.

[brush]

44. It's sad. We are a majority misogynist nation. The UK, India, Israel...

New Zealand and other nations have had women PMs/presidents. We are the laggards.

I'm afraid of what's to come with our cruel, and petty dictator who has total immunity thanks to the SCOTUS 6. The MFer can commit crimes at will and no one can punish him.

[hlthe2b]

27. I honestly don't think he could have taken the wear & tear even if he didn't try such a horrendous schedule as Harris.

Sleep deprivation is especially detrimental to the aging. I have little doubt that Trump is partaking of stimulants of various types, including quite possibly some specific to the treatment of dementia (obviously not always very effective). But, using these drugs for that purpose is really unethical if there are concomitant risks. And certainly, both would have some baseline level of cardiac risk.

I HATE the way this went down with Biden and always will. Sadly, he will probably always feel as though his humiliation and sacrifice were for naught. Equally sad is that Kamala Harris may feel likewise.

[Clouds Passing]

28. Many Americans are under and ill-educated.

[Meadowoak]

38. Especially in the red states

[brush]

45. Yep, and it's going to get worse with the elimnation of the Dept. of Education.

Keep 'em dumb and stupid is a rethug belief.

[Clouds Passing]

47. That is a central tenet of slavery

[Patton French]

29. The way it went down played entirely into the repug narrative.

I don't know if it would have been different, but a good and decent man was treated terribly. It makes me sad.

[Tertullian]

32. It is a very interesting proposition to ponder, and, you may be right.

I, too, believe that President Biden could have beaten Trump again. It's just a feeling, but, consider this - they say that Latino men not voting Harris caused her loss. These same Latino men probably would have voted for Biden now, just like they did 4 years ago.

It's a very interesting scenario to ponder.

I think you are right.

[kentuck]

33. He would not have received millions more votes than Kamala Harris.

The pandemic was the only opportunity for Democrats to get that many votes. Kamala got the average vote total for a Democratic candidate, minus the ones that voted for Trump. The fact appears to be that we are a minority opposition Party and will remain so until we do something different or the other sides pulls a Hoover.

[In It to Win It]

37. I think Joe Biden would have lost unfortunately

[LetMyPeopleVote]

39. I agree

[Zeitghost]

42. He should have never run for reelection

And allowed us to have a real primary. Harris has never won an election outside of California, she did very poorly in the 2020 primaries and she was installed in a matter of hours/days after Biden dropped out with no real discussion or challengers. That was never going to play with swing voters and moderates and they didn't show up.

We were arrogant and believed the American people would show up and vote against Trump, no matter who the opponent was and that did not happen. Add in Trump expanding his base with a well run campaign that reached out through podcasts to disenfranchised young males and it leads to a solid ass kicking by the right.

[notroot]

43. Apparently you're right. We needed a middle-aged wealthy white man.

Nothing else would do.

[brush]

48. Yep, we are the laggard, racist, misogynist nation of the G7.

We're soon to be out of NATO, and the G7 may throw us out as with trump, we won't be a trustworthy ally anymore.

[Passages]

46. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote and Obama won twice with big margins.

We're going to need time to look at everything that happened, and as objectively as possible.

[Bettie]

49. Misogyny plus Racism

apparently, we can only have white, male presidents.

We know this now.

[onenote]

50. "Most" Americans voted for Biden in 2020 and for Hillary in 2016.

And when the final numbers are in this year, its possible that "most" Americans will have voted for Kamala. She's down around 4.5 million votes now, but there are a ton of votes in California yet to be counted and reported and she might make up the margin.

In any event, the problem isn't that "most" Americans are "garbage." It is that we have an electoral system that doesn't ensure the election of the candidate preferred by "most" Americans and that is distorted at a local level by gerrymandering.

[the_liberal_grandpa]

52. We will never know...

I was furious the way they kicked Joe to the curb after 1 bad debate performance. I used the word silent coup because it happened so quick and seemed so wrong.

I said to my friends at the time that she had better win or there would be a lot of explaining to do by the Dems, the media and the celebrities that took Joe down.

I love Kamala and she definitely brought energy and enthusiasm that Joe did not but it turns out America is not yet ready for someone of her caliber.

Not saying that Joe would have won but, at least we could have stood by one of the best presidents in my lifetime, if not the best but now we look like a bunch of frightened, over reactive fools.

[SharonClark]

54. I was furious that Joe ran for relection when it was evident to anyone paying attention that he was not up to the task.

Joe was surrounded by lackeys who couldn't see beyond their own self-interests that he shouldn't have run. They propped him up and dismissed any suggestion that it would be better for the country and the party if he bowed out graciously. Which he finally did.

[Shrek]

55. Dean Phillips tried to raise the alarm about this

And was dismissed and widely ridiculed.

[JohnSJ]

53. Sorry but that was in 2020. All the polls indicated that his candidacy would have been a disaster. Whether it was a

bad day or not, the debate performance was the end of his candidacy.

I will go further and say no one could have run a better campaign and message than Kamala Harris. The only thing going against her is she is a women, and we live in a misogynistic, sexist country, which is a disgrace and an embarrassment.

We actually should be two different countries, divided between blue states and red states.