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deminks

(11,537 posts)
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:09 PM Nov 2024

Jack Smith is bugging out.




NEW — Special Counsel Jack Smith is examining how to wind down the two criminal cases against Trump after he won the election, per source. DOJ doesn’t want to let classified docs case dismissal on unlawful appointment to go unchallenged but they also need to end the cases

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So much for equal protection and the rule of law. If you are a star, they let you do anything.
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Jack Smith is bugging out. (Original Post) deminks Nov 2024 OP
Sure. Allow a sitting president to get away with anything and everything then wonder later how Solly Mack Nov 2024 #1
Pretty much where I'm at KnoxVol Nov 2024 #4
Yep. I'm a tad caustic right now. Solly Mack Nov 2024 #7
Hang in there KnoxVol Nov 2024 #10
I'm ready to advocate giving Ukraine back their nukes, and FAST Attilatheblond Nov 2024 #33
I have thought this since Putin encircled Ukraine. If they still had their nuclear weapons, never would have happened. Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #37
THAT right there is on the SCOTUS. Not on Jack Smith or the Dept of Justice. There's no "bugging out" happening. ancianita Nov 2024 #11
I wasn't asking how it came to this. I was saying you don't have to ask why when sitting presidents have been getting Solly Mack Nov 2024 #14
Fair enough. But points made here add up to a negative attitude toward the DOJ that established a legal tradition ancianita Nov 2024 #19
Well before this current DOJ, yes. I know that. Solly Mack Nov 2024 #21
Rule of law cilla4progress Nov 2024 #2
When do I get to do some ruling? BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2024 #9
Yeah. We the People is a bit quaint right now Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #13
Yeah, that once respected rule of law. SergeStorms Nov 2024 #34
Agreed. The rule of law seems quaint and the message is: Do whatever the hell you want. Where did we see that before? Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #36
And I also agree that our generation lost all their ideals, and sold it all out for money. So pathetically consequential Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #38
Fascist white men... wcmagumba Nov 2024 #27
Can't blame him newdeal2 Nov 2024 #3
He needs to protect himself and his family FakeNoose Nov 2024 #22
We let Nixon off RANDYWILDMAN Nov 2024 #5
I hope he can stay safe. He did his best. It's not his fault. mucifer Nov 2024 #6
Same here. He had a job at The Hague, honored&honorable Hekate Nov 2024 #26
And Kamala just conceded, bringing down the curtain on Democracy. Ligyron Nov 2024 #8
She didn't bring down the curtain on Democracy. That's now up to us, The People, and the groups that support ancianita Nov 2024 #20
worst political defeat ever bigtree Nov 2024 #12
Not sure historically but a definite reality check Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #15
the confluence of consequences to losing it all bigtree Nov 2024 #23
Same here. We the People couldn't get justice. Period Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #31
DOJ knows they will be impotent when a Drumpf nominated/appointed AG is installed. Loose Cannon appears in line. Evolve Dammit Nov 2024 #35
Merry Fitzmas to all. Hope22 Nov 2024 #16
your actual handle says 'hope' bigtree Nov 2024 #24
It's OK not to agree. Hope22 Nov 2024 #28
I said, back when the indictments came down, Trump would never be prosecuted. lees1975 Nov 2024 #17
appeals would have taken at least this long, even if Garland had assembled a grand jury on his first day (fucking absurd bigtree Nov 2024 #25
It's like Mueller Report only worse. AllyCat Nov 2024 #18
that bastard Trump has gotten away with corruption his entire adult life Skittles Nov 2024 #29
Thanks, Garland for doing your job so quickly and efficiently. Now, because of your slow progress and delay in SWBTATTReg Nov 2024 #30
Thanks garland.... getagrip_already Nov 2024 #32

Solly Mack

(97,265 posts)
1. Sure. Allow a sitting president to get away with anything and everything then wonder later how
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:13 PM
Nov 2024

did America ever get so damaged. How did it come to this? How did this happen?


LMAO

Because it's better, and nicer, than typing my actual thoughts.

KnoxVol

(50 posts)
4. Pretty much where I'm at
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:16 PM
Nov 2024

I'm refraining from typing a lot of my thoughts today, just because they aren't very positive and definitely not pulling the punches today.

KnoxVol

(50 posts)
10. Hang in there
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:24 PM
Nov 2024

Easier said than done, I know. I'm struggling with it too. But I'm with you, my caustic friend.

Attilatheblond

(9,223 posts)
33. I'm ready to advocate giving Ukraine back their nukes, and FAST
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 05:39 PM
Nov 2024

Those brave, beautiful people are in serious peril now.

Putin has been at war with us for years, and voters are too fucking dumb/self centered to realize they do his work for him.

There are not enough words of condemnation to go around.

Evolve Dammit

(21,815 posts)
37. I have thought this since Putin encircled Ukraine. If they still had their nuclear weapons, never would have happened.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:49 PM
Nov 2024

So much for reducing nuclear weapons. They did it to their credit, and are now suffering the tragic consequences of giving them up.

ancianita

(43,348 posts)
11. THAT right there is on the SCOTUS. Not on Jack Smith or the Dept of Justice. There's no "bugging out" happening.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:16 PM
Nov 2024

Jack Smith & the DOJ know the law, and what's best to do to preserve their work on behalf of the People of the United States. Neal Katyal will undoubtedly explain why they're doing the right thing under rule of law.

"Bugging out" is dismissive and disrespectful of Jack Smith's outstanding work and better understanding of law than even the judges he's stood before.

Jack Smith's work doesn't deserve self-indulgent ignorant judgments around here.

How did it come to this? Ask those who voted for Trump.
Read their exit polls and criticisms of the last four years, (uninformed and corporate based propagandistic as they sound) to get an idea of how long their hearts and minds have been groomed for this change in government.

Solly Mack

(97,265 posts)
14. I wasn't asking how it came to this. I was saying you don't have to ask why when sitting presidents have been getting
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:25 PM
Nov 2024

away with crimes for a long time.

I didn't say he was bugging out.

Neither was I responding to the bugging out portion.

I was replying about the part where there was a policy for not prosecuting sitting presidents - which I did not blame on Jack Smith. At all. Not even a little.

I do blame the self-defeating policy of not holding sitting presidents accountable for their crimes for presidents thinking they can get away with anything and everything.

Thank you for your lovely words about "self-indulgent ignorant judgments" about Jack Smith when I didn't make any comments or judgments about Jack Smith.

I did, again, make a comment about the DOJ policy.

ancianita

(43,348 posts)
19. Fair enough. But points made here add up to a negative attitude toward the DOJ that established a legal tradition
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:40 PM
Nov 2024

long before this current DOJ.

SergeStorms

(20,807 posts)
34. Yeah, that once respected rule of law.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 05:42 PM
Nov 2024

It's now a thing of the past. We knew Trump was a lawless son-of-a-bitch in his first term, but we haven't seen anything yet. He's completely without restraint now, and this country is going to pay a horrible price.

I'm getting near the end of my life, but for young Americans all I can say is, good luck. Please do a much better job than my generation did.

Evolve Dammit

(21,815 posts)
36. Agreed. The rule of law seems quaint and the message is: Do whatever the hell you want. Where did we see that before?
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:45 PM
Nov 2024

Evolve Dammit

(21,815 posts)
38. And I also agree that our generation lost all their ideals, and sold it all out for money. So pathetically consequential
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:52 PM
Nov 2024

RANDYWILDMAN

(3,179 posts)
5. We let Nixon off
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 03:18 PM
Nov 2024

and this is so much worse FFS somebody do something


How bout this "I tried" on the tomb of Merrick Garland

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
26. Same here. He had a job at The Hague, honored&honorable
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 05:09 PM
Nov 2024

I hope he and family can go there. Belgium’s a nice place, I hear

ancianita

(43,348 posts)
20. She didn't bring down the curtain on Democracy. That's now up to us, The People, and the groups that support
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:42 PM
Nov 2024

equal justice and rule of law.

This is The People's approach:

bigtree

(94,667 posts)
23. the confluence of consequences to losing it all
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:53 PM
Nov 2024

...so much on the line in a seriously imminent way.

The Jack Smith fold was especially jarring to me.

Much more...

Evolve Dammit

(21,815 posts)
35. DOJ knows they will be impotent when a Drumpf nominated/appointed AG is installed. Loose Cannon appears in line.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 06:43 PM
Nov 2024

bigtree

(94,667 posts)
24. your actual handle says 'hope'
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:57 PM
Nov 2024

...that's not people celebrating 'Fitmas' by any stretch.

It's Democrats here working hard and expecting results from that work.

No one in the campaign ever said it was going to be easy.

"We are the underdogs" was the refrain from the candidate.

Hope22

(4,878 posts)
28. It's OK not to agree.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 05:21 PM
Nov 2024

Probably not good to call out my name. I’m sure you are wise and Sage with every post! My guess is you’ve had at least one turd!😉
I don’t have to be upbeat every minute. That being said my comment about Fitzmas was regarding Mr. Smith and the placebo hope we held that justice would come. Alas it looks like that is not to be had. I’m sorry if I seem short and unhopeful. In fact you are 100% correct. If I hear Mr. Trump correctly he plans to send women’s health back to the caves, tariff the little people into bankruptcy, homeless and free of health care. In addition I believe he talked about never having another election and possibly raping a woman a day for the rest of his life. Oh, sorry he didn’t say the last but as you know he could if he wanted to as long as he was dictating his presidential business to her while doing it. Nope, no hope today. Maybe Earl will open up the registry so desperate women can change their ‘handle’. But I don’t think we should call it handle anymore. 😁

You can now mark yourself safe from pi$$ed off women! I know you are a solid staple here and I do appreciate your efforts on this board. I don’t mean any disrespect but you struck a nerve friend. Here’s hoping that somehow some way we can bring our people of different gender, color, ability and thought process together. That we can have the world full of beautiful colors, hope and love. That hands reach down to lift up. 🙏🏼💗

lees1975

(7,188 posts)
17. I said, back when the indictments came down, Trump would never be prosecuted.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 04:30 PM
Nov 2024

And then, bingo! We find out nothing was moving forward and Garland was sitting on his ass doing nothing.

There are two Americas, the one where most of us live, who have to obey the law or face its fury, and the one where the rich and privileged protect each other and get away with murder, literally.



bigtree

(94,667 posts)
25. appeals would have taken at least this long, even if Garland had assembled a grand jury on his first day (fucking absurd
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 05:06 PM
Nov 2024

...since most of the evidence he had gathered in 2021 was held up by challenges of privilege and appeals, in courts by actual judges.

Complex federal cases routinely take years to investigate before they reach the indictment stage.

Stopping here, because it's not worth my time to explain FACTS in response to rhetoric that comes without any more receipt than citing time passed.


posting this link for someone else, I suppose:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/aug/03/why-did-it-take-the-doj-more-than-two-years-to-ind/

SWBTATTReg

(26,399 posts)
30. Thanks, Garland for doing your job so quickly and efficiently. Now, because of your slow progress and delay in
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 05:30 PM
Nov 2024

literally doing anything, tRUMP will now get 'away' with facing no justice as he should have. Couldn't even get these cases in front of a jury or a judge. Maybe I'm overreacting, but I don't know...Here it is, already 4 years after the fact minimum, since these possible crimes were committed. And here we are now...

Sarcasm here...so much for justice, eh?

Now I'm waiting for the other shoe(s) to drop, when tRUMP sends his justice dept goons after those he deems a risk or the like.

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