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SocialDemocrat61

(7,647 posts)
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:11 PM Nov 2024

Bernie Sanders statement on the election


It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them.

While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change.

And they’re right.
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Bernie Sanders statement on the election (Original Post) SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2024 OP
OUCH! FarPoint Nov 2024 #1
Yeah, that is really bad timing PatSeg Nov 2024 #5
I agree choie Nov 2024 #94
I'm really sensitive right now PatSeg Nov 2024 #98
And I'm trashing all the threads about what Harris did wrong. CrispyQ Nov 2024 #127
Good for you PatSeg Nov 2024 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author Emile Nov 2024 #2
He can bite me DemonGoddess Nov 2024 #3
Can't be the real Bernie, while I'm not a big fan he would not say this now Eliot Rosewater Nov 2024 #4
Check the link SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2024 #8
I would love for him to explain how our party abandoned working class Eliot Rosewater Nov 2024 #25
Teamsters boss Sean O'Brien says the same thing Polybius Nov 2024 #26
So? Cha Nov 2024 #30
Just pointing it out that a major labor figure said it Polybius Nov 2024 #78
Yes there was a big thread on Cha Nov 2024 #83
No, it was me Polybius Nov 2024 #84
Good old Sean was the keynote speaker at the RNC. sheshe2 Nov 2024 #104
Yeah, SO'B sold his soul to the Anti Christ.. Cha Nov 2024 #107
Okay, not great but okay. sheshe2 Nov 2024 #108
Yeah, we'll be okay.. just early days to Cha Nov 2024 #112
I am putting you on ignore. Demsrule86 Nov 2024 #45
Why? Polybius Nov 2024 #77
In case it helps, Polybius said this: ColinC Nov 2024 #118
Sean O'Briend is a Trumper and always was...funny you mention this now...have a nice life. Demsrule86 Nov 2024 #46
like I said earlier, my two sons work in union jobs mountain grammy Nov 2024 #96
This guy? sheshe2 Nov 2024 #102
It looks legit PatSeg Nov 2024 #9
Sounds exactly like Sanders. Color me not surprised. LizBeth Nov 2024 #11
He didn't even wait 24 hours to bash our FEMALE candidate, Kamala Harris... sheshe2 Nov 2024 #105
So unhelpful and neggy, as usual. Sigh. yardwork Nov 2024 #117
I am holding on, yardwork. sheshe2 Nov 2024 #124
What gets me is we are not allowed to counter his bashing Dems on a site no bashing dems.... LizBeth Nov 2024 #123
This is being reported by the press SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2024 #15
Are you saying the press wouldn't publish false information? tinymontgomery Nov 2024 #60
No SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2024 #68
Well, we watched them spit out a ton of lies tinymontgomery Nov 2024 #76
Then follow the link SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2024 #93
okay tinymontgomery Nov 2024 #95
You are saying that he did not say this? sheshe2 Nov 2024 #106
I'm part of the working class ClimateHawk Nov 2024 #6
My entire family is working class. Quiet Em Nov 2024 #13
The Democratic Party is the only thing that has saved us. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 2024 #28
gosh he's such a great ally of the Democratic Party! thebigidea Nov 2024 #7
What a POS statement LizBeth Nov 2024 #10
Does he think Trump will be better for the working class. BlueKota Nov 2024 #12
I Never did. Cha Nov 2024 #31
I don't like him now and I never did. He is dead to me now. Demsrule86 Nov 2024 #44
I have NEVER liked him DemonGoddess Nov 2024 #55
I guess he does Rebl2 Nov 2024 #70
If one of us posted that as our comment, bet it would fail a jury, certainly today. He does make a point in that a year Silent Type Nov 2024 #14
yes all those trump humpers woulda voted for bernie I am sure nt msongs Nov 2024 #16
Right to hand off the govt moonscape Nov 2024 #17
Bullshit, Bernie. Fuck that noise. Ocelot II Nov 2024 #18
Best post ever. sheshe2 Nov 2024 #109
yeah, Conjuay Nov 2024 #19
Yeah, he let his real feelings slip out in 2016 when he referred to Planned Parenthood as "the Establishment". LisaM Nov 2024 #57
WTAF we can do it Nov 2024 #20
Really Bernie, BunkieBandit Nov 2024 #21
I'm disappointed in Bernie Blue_Roses Nov 2024 #22
Disappointed doesn't cover it. He has shown us who he is...believe him. Demsrule86 Nov 2024 #42
he is a one trick pony Skittles Nov 2024 #65
This is a load of Ralph Nader shit. Klarkashton Nov 2024 #23
Boo hiss. I don't know why Sanders thinks this. ananda Nov 2024 #24
Sanders still thinks that he could have been Trump because of the crossover between MAGA and his Bernie Bros... W_HAMILTON Nov 2024 #27
I am with you. Demsrule86 Nov 2024 #41
Both of my sons, in their 50's mountain grammy Nov 2024 #29
But Kamala Did Not "Abandon" Workers. My Son is A Worker and Cha Nov 2024 #32
I'm happy for your son mountain grammy Nov 2024 #40
Sanders is WRONG.. Pres Biden is All about the Working Class! Cha Nov 2024 #49
Look, I'm not saying he's right and I also think Biden and Harris have been good for the working class mountain grammy Nov 2024 #54
Because of propaganda -- not because Democrats have """abandoned the working class.""" W_HAMILTON Nov 2024 #103
Thank You! Cha Nov 2024 #129
You are right. sheshe2 Nov 2024 #111
Sanders said it and went after HRC, Sanders said it beginning and end going after Harris. LizBeth Nov 2024 #125
I remember All Too Well waht Happened Cha Nov 2024 #131
I got worried when the Mexican landscapers I know started trashing the VP. The Mouth Nov 2024 #145
Monday night my son and his girlfriend mountain grammy Nov 2024 #146
Bernie must be very pleased with this. Another woman bites the dust. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 2024 #33
I am sure he is. Demsrule86 Nov 2024 #39
Exactly. THAT! LizBeth Nov 2024 #134
Such BS (no pun intended) BluRay76 Nov 2024 #34
OMFG!!! BERNIE!!!! MustLoveBeagles Nov 2024 #35
I must say Skittles Nov 2024 #110
Trust me, we always saw him for what he is. sheshe2 Nov 2024 #113
Yep LizBeth Nov 2024 #135
He should understand better than anyone what an obstructionist congress looks like. The Biden administration chia Nov 2024 #36
Yes MustLoveBeagles Nov 2024 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Nov 2024 #73
I will never forgive Sanders...never. Demsrule86 Nov 2024 #37
Same here. I'm still waiting for his apology tour for Nixie Nov 2024 #89
And the SC doesnt matter, more important things crowd. LizBeth Nov 2024 #136
Lots of lectures today. 2 Meow Momma Nov 2024 #38
Is he kidding? It's just the opposite, in my opinion. ecstatic Nov 2024 #47
I love you Bernie but instead kacekwl Nov 2024 #48
You love Sanders? Demsrule86 Nov 2024 #52
He's not wrong white_wolf Nov 2024 #50
YES Sanders is WRONG. Cha Nov 2024 #66
Why didn't they campaign on that? white_wolf Nov 2024 #72
Didn't BS & AOC campaign for Cha Nov 2024 #80
The only way to win trump/republican voters kacekwl Nov 2024 #97
I never said that white_wolf Nov 2024 #99
I did not say you said that. kacekwl Nov 2024 #132
Apologies white_wolf Nov 2024 #133
Me too kacekwl Nov 2024 #142
ugh Skittles Nov 2024 #51
Post removed Post removed Nov 2024 #53
THANK YOU Skittles Nov 2024 #61
And workers aren't voting for us.. mountain grammy Nov 2024 #87
Good point. A lot of regular people are just disgusted with lack of action by government on a number of issues. Silent Type Nov 2024 #88
Stop it, Bernie. Just stop. It serves no good purpose* Oopsie Daisy Nov 2024 #56
How did the Democratic Party abandon the working class? LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2024 #58
A lot of it is right wing media Joe Cool Nov 2024 #59
Less than helpful. ALBliberal Nov 2024 #62
What is he talking about? Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #63
Asshole. Says a girl that staged a photo op ALBliberal Nov 2024 #64
It started in the 80-90's. Remember? JanMichael Nov 2024 #67
Dammit Bernie berniesandersmittens Nov 2024 #69
No surprise...he's actually a very unfriendly person fairfaxvadem Nov 2024 #71
I can believe that. I remember Hillary commenting in her book * Oopsie Daisy Nov 2024 #75
Sorry, but he's right Deminpenn Nov 2024 #74
Sherrod had a similar message, always fairfaxvadem Nov 2024 #81
Sen Casey, too Deminpenn Nov 2024 #92
A lot of people don't want to hear it, but Luciferous Nov 2024 #79
Stephanie Rhule said the same damn thing last night! Greybnk48 Nov 2024 #82
Think that's a big part of it. More people didn't go to college than did. Think they are wrong, Silent Type Nov 2024 #90
So Sanders was opposed to this ? JI7 Nov 2024 #114
Not at all!! Loan forgiveness is and was extremely important and essential. Greybnk48 Nov 2024 #128
+1 dalton99a Nov 2024 #119
does the rule here on bashing democrats lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #85
Right! LizBeth Nov 2024 #137
Trump won the popular vote. I am still in deep shock. Passages Nov 2024 #86
... misogyny and racism. America is bubbling over with it. Oopsie Daisy Nov 2024 #116
+1. Serious changes are needed. dalton99a Nov 2024 #121
Post removed Post removed Nov 2024 #91
Because only white men make up the working class. JI7 Nov 2024 #100
Fuck off, Bernie RandySF Nov 2024 #101
It has been years now DFW Nov 2024 #115
At least we seem to finally be able to say it. LizBeth Nov 2024 #138
I'm seriously pissed off at Bernie Sanders. He was in a senior leadership position on the Democratic Vinca Nov 2024 #120
yeah, Conjuay Nov 2024 #122
I can't stant to even read the title of this OP...it enrages me. So trashed. Demsrule86 Nov 2024 #126
What an asshole. Lots of opinions about the Democratic Party for someone who has NEVER been a Democrat. tritsofme Nov 2024 #130
Hmmmm... WarGamer Nov 2024 #139
What a hypocrite: "Biden has been the strongest, most progressive president in my lifetime" mathematic Nov 2024 #140
Woman, scares him. LizBeth Nov 2024 #141
He's an old fool. nt Mark.b2 Nov 2024 #144

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
5. Yeah, that is really bad timing
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:16 PM
Nov 2024

Was it really necessary to trash Democrats? Everyone is still in a state of shock. No one needs more negativity especially from someone that most of us consider an ally.

choie

(6,906 posts)
94. I agree
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 11:17 PM
Nov 2024

I love Bernie (you can see by my avatar). This isn’t the time to bang us over the head with blaming the dems. While he’s right to an extent, he fails to mention the racism and misogyny that played a role.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
98. I'm really sensitive right now
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 01:09 AM
Nov 2024

And I'm sure I am not the only one. Anyone speaking out might want to tread softly. People I know are teetering on the edge of sanity.

Meanwhile, the answers aren't nearly that simplistic. We are living in very unusual times; the old paradigms don't apply.

CrispyQ

(40,969 posts)
127. And I'm trashing all the threads about what Harris did wrong.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:22 PM
Nov 2024

Fuck that. She ran a great campaign. Was it perfect? IDK. Closer to perfect than any other campaign I've seen! It was the misogyny, absolutely. And too many white women have bought completely into the patriarchy & their daughters are going to pay.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
143. Good for you
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:52 PM
Nov 2024

I agree, Harris ran a great campaign and considering how little time she had, it was miraculous. Initially, I had limited expectations for her, but she knocked it out of the park. Meanwhile, Trump is out there acting like a demented fool and HE wins the election?

I don't think it is healthy for Democrats to eat their own everything something goes wrong.

Response to SocialDemocrat61 (Original post)

Eliot Rosewater

(34,285 posts)
4. Can't be the real Bernie, while I'm not a big fan he would not say this now
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:14 PM
Nov 2024

Assuming this is a bullshit account and not the real Bernie

Cha

(319,076 posts)
83. Yes there was a big thread on
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:54 PM
Nov 2024

How Blatantly Wrong Sean O’Brien Was too.


A lot of Unions did endorse her.

Sorry to be combative.. just Pissed off at the unfairness.

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
84. No, it was me
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:57 PM
Nov 2024

I just had a long time poster put me on ignore. I want to apologize to Demsrule86, but it's too late since the poster can't see it.

sheshe2

(97,627 posts)
104. Good old Sean was the keynote speaker at the RNC.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:40 AM
Nov 2024

He is a Trumper.

Sean can bite me…so can BS.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
107. Yeah, SO'B sold his soul to the Anti Christ..
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:14 AM
Nov 2024

Hope he gets payback in ways he never imagined.


How you doing , she?

sheshe2

(97,627 posts)
108. Okay, not great but okay.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:19 AM
Nov 2024

I haven’t slept or eaten much…I will be okay.

How about you, Cha?

Cha

(319,076 posts)
112. Yeah, we'll be okay.. just early days to
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:21 AM
Nov 2024

fathom the Global shock to our systems.

Last night Tim made me feel better when I was in such a shock as everyone has been. Walking around like zombies.

He said the best thing we can do is live our Best Lives regardless of all the Dumbfuckery around the country. Which is good advice.. I don't think he knows about all the things TSF is going to Take away.. but I'm not going to talk about that until it's starting to happen.

Maybe I should though.. Forewarned is Forearmed.

He called me today too.. to ask how I was doing .. I was on the bus going to the store Papayas to get some Mangoes. Comfort food! he said Good.. you're not rolled up in ball then. :lol

Here's something I got from Hekate's post last night. that I think you'd like...

But first I just saw this tweet on my way to look for it... made me laugh.



Now for John Pavlovitz

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19667761

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
77. Why?
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:33 PM
Nov 2024

I didn't say that I agreed with him. I know you've criticized me as negative in the past, but I was largely correct. You are positive, but never worrying about anything isn't good either.

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
118. In case it helps, Polybius said this:
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 08:27 AM
Nov 2024

"I just had a long time poster put me on ignore. I want to apologize to Demsrule86, but it's too late since the poster can't see it."

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
46. Sean O'Briend is a Trumper and always was...funny you mention this now...have a nice life.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:24 PM
Nov 2024

mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
96. like I said earlier, my two sons work in union jobs
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:29 AM
Nov 2024

They tried to prepare me for this. They are both Steelworkers and applaud David McCall for endorsing Kamala. Of course they voted for her but not their brothers at work. Nearly all voted trump. This was in Delaware and Colorado, both blue.

We have lost the working people. Whether just stupid or joe rogan fans, whatever, they are turning against the Democratic party and we damn well better figure it out.

tonight my younger son (53) came over to take a selfie with me to send to his brother to prove I'm alive..
This will be bad, with trump. I hope he strokes out by Christmas and we'll deal with the consequences. It'll throw them off their game for a couple years.

sheshe2

(97,627 posts)
105. He didn't even wait 24 hours to bash our FEMALE candidate, Kamala Harris...
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:45 AM
Nov 2024

And our President as well!

JFC

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
117. So unhelpful and neggy, as usual. Sigh.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 08:08 AM
Nov 2024

I hope you are doing ok, sheshe. Unlike Bernie, many of us recognize that we have to pull together to get through these dark days.

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
123. What gets me is we are not allowed to counter his bashing Dems on a site no bashing dems....
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:20 AM
Nov 2024

Adding in the sprinkle of ironic that he is not a Dem but will support Dems, until he doesnt

tinymontgomery

(2,859 posts)
76. Well, we watched them spit out a ton of lies
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:25 PM
Nov 2024

that were easily disproved but still ran with them with very little retraction so, to me, they wouldn't have a problem with
advertising this.

sheshe2

(97,627 posts)
106. You are saying that he did not say this?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:00 AM
Nov 2024

He did. 24 hours after we lost the election and while we are still mourning our loss and what it means to women and our Democracy.

ClimateHawk

(360 posts)
6. I'm part of the working class
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:16 PM
Nov 2024

I don't feel the Democratic Party has abandoned me. I proudly voted for Kamala Harris and supported her economic policies. I also voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary but I strongly disagree with this.

Quiet Em

(2,936 posts)
13. My entire family is working class.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:21 PM
Nov 2024

We also do not feel abandoned by the Democratic Party. President Biden's policies and VP Harris' proposal help people like us.

Trump and Republicans are going to cause us economic hardship.

BlueKota

(5,345 posts)
12. Does he think Trump will be better for the working class.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:21 PM
Nov 2024

I used to like Bernie. Now not so much.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
14. If one of us posted that as our comment, bet it would fail a jury, certainly today. He does make a point in that a year
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:24 PM
Nov 2024

ago we talked about people living "paycheck to paycheck," and the like. Then, we had to pivot to the economy is great as election approached. I'm not saying there was anyway around it, just the way it is.

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
18. Bullshit, Bernie. Fuck that noise.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:27 PM
Nov 2024

The problem isn't Democrats abandoning the working class, FFS. Did you actually listen to a single damn thing Kamala had to say? The problem is that your beloved working class is seething with grievance and rage over their perceived loss of status because uppity women and minorities have the nerve to suggest they could be leaders. It's the misogyny and the racism, and don't try to pretend it's something else. Get your ass out of the '60s and smell the bigotry.

sheshe2

(97,627 posts)
109. Best post ever.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:40 AM
Nov 2024

Thank you so much. I applaud you,Ocelot

I am so sick of the mansplaing from him.

LisaM

(29,634 posts)
57. Yeah, he let his real feelings slip out in 2016 when he referred to Planned Parenthood as "the Establishment".
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:40 PM
Nov 2024

And, when Rachel interviewed him on Trump's saying women should be punished for having abortions, he pivoted the conversation away to talk about income inequality (as if raising children as a single mom doesn't create income inequality).

He likes to rub salt in a wound, that's obvious.

Klarkashton

(5,292 posts)
23. This is a load of Ralph Nader shit.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:38 PM
Nov 2024

They theorize that moving to the left on social issues like universal healthcare and taking a pro Palestinian position would have led someplace.
It would have lead to an even bigger loss after the MSM worked them over for it.
The prevailing illogical backlash is far right libertarian due to the public being subjected to inflation and skyrocketing housing costs. How libertarian rightwing ideology could fix these problems is a total mystery.

ananda

(35,145 posts)
24. Boo hiss. I don't know why Sanders thinks this.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:43 PM
Nov 2024

It's the Republicans who have abandoned the working classes.

And it will get unbelievably worse with no labor protections
in place, especially regarding union organizing, child labor,
AI, and using incarcerated people for labor.

Just wait and see.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
27. Sanders still thinks that he could have been Trump because of the crossover between MAGA and his Bernie Bros...
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 07:53 PM
Nov 2024

...when, in fact, he was just being pumped up as a useful idiot by right-wingers and Russians to take down Hillary.

When it looked like Sanders actually had a chance to win the Democratic nomination in 2020, he got beat even worse than in 2016 -- including in by a whopping ~40 POINTS in Florida (which has been the canary in the coal mine for this MAGA sentiment he apparently thinks Democrats need to emulate).

The only vote in my life that I've regretted casting is for him in the 2016 primary.

Fuck you, Sanders. You are now officially on my "fuck you forever" list from 2016. If not for your Russian- and Republican-boosted vanity candidacy in 2016, Hillary would have been president and Trump would have been a forgotten loser by now.

If I get a hide, so be it -- I'm looking to take a break from all things political for a while anyway.

PS - If not for the working class, WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK DEMOCRATS ARE FIGHTING FOR? Certainly not the fucking billionaires who bankrolled Trump and who he outsourced his whole fucking campaign to.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
41. I am with you.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:18 PM
Nov 2024

Do you suppose he will vote with the GOP now? Will he even caucus with us?

mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
29. Both of my sons, in their 50's
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:00 PM
Nov 2024

Were afraid this would happen. Nearly everyone they work with voted trump. They of course did not but they’ve put up with a lot of shit from coworkers.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
32. But Kamala Did Not "Abandon" Workers. My Son is A Worker and
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:08 PM
Nov 2024

all his Crew VOTED for Kamala.

Sanders is WRONG.

ETA~ and neither did Pres Biden!!

mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
40. I'm happy for your son
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:18 PM
Nov 2024

but my guys put up with a lot. Both of them were shop stewards and they both gave it up.

I'm just telling you the truth and I think the vote bears it out.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
49. Sanders is WRONG.. Pres Biden is All about the Working Class!
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:29 PM
Nov 2024

It's not Dems fucking fault that magas listen to Propaganda about Dems.


mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
54. Look, I'm not saying he's right and I also think Biden and Harris have been good for the working class
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:40 PM
Nov 2024

But, looking at the vote, the working class doesn't.. She got less votes than Biden got in 2020.

Both my sons live in blue states, Colorado and Delaware and both are grateful for that.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
103. Because of propaganda -- not because Democrats have """abandoned the working class."""
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:34 AM
Nov 2024

Last edited Thu Nov 7, 2024, 08:04 PM - Edit history (1)

We know all about rightwing propaganda but Sanders is damn near the founding father of this newfound destructive brand of leftwing propaganda that led directly to Trump's election in 2016 -- and now he's stabbing us in the back once again.

Don't call yourself a fucking progressive if you have directly/indirectly led to a Trump administration twice in three presidential elections. No matter what the fuck you think of Democrats, watching Trump and his Republicans take full control of our government once again is going to be a huge step back for progressivism that will not be undone in one or two elections -- hell, maybe not even a generation or two of elections -- assuming we still even hold elections once Trump's Second Reich begins.

sheshe2

(97,627 posts)
111. You are right.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:17 AM
Nov 2024
She got less votes than Biden got in 2020.

However she is a woman and MAGA hates women. It is not her place in the order of things for her to run. She should be in her home waiting on her man and popping out babies.

That is the MAGA mentality.

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
125. Sanders said it and went after HRC, Sanders said it beginning and end going after Harris.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:11 PM
Nov 2024

From the start Sanders said Biden was for the working man and immediately supported him. NOW, what is the common denominator in this equation? Old white man, thumbs up. Two women, thumbs down. Was saying it way back in '16, proved out many ways, but we are not allowed to discuss.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
131. I remember All Too Well waht Happened
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:14 PM
Nov 2024

with him after the 2016 GE.. and before and During..

It's a Pattern.

The Mouth

(3,414 posts)
145. I got worried when the Mexican landscapers I know started trashing the VP.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:25 PM
Nov 2024

I thought at first maybe they were just fucking with me (we're all old friends, I know them from working on roofs together and we share a few drinks sometimes), but nope they were *not* going to vote for her. Let's just say their comments on my bumper sticker wouldn't last long around here. And this is in Northern California.

mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
146. Monday night my son and his girlfriend
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 02:46 PM
Nov 2024

Came for dinner. I bought lobster sliders on sale at Costco and I was cautiously optimistic. My son was not. He tried to prepare me.

BluRay76

(54 posts)
34. Such BS (no pun intended)
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:10 PM
Nov 2024

She spoke to prices being too high, she spoke to the policies she wanted to pursue to help people do more than just get by. She constantly spoke about those things, and health care and child care. How was that, in any way, “abandoning the working class?”

I have had a lot of very healing conversations today with family, friends, neighbors, and coworkers. All of them allowed us each a safe space to express our sadness and disappointment and fear. I had one Bernie supporter reach out with a series of statements about how she had underperformed Biden, not a word about the consequences of this election. As you can imagine, I had very little to say in response initially; once I had collected myself, I gave what I thought was a reasoned explanation of why I was in no way ready to objectively analyze the lessons of this election. Instead, I was going to take the time to grieve the fact that we were denied the leadership of a brilliant, qualified, prepared woman because this country would rather vote for a fascist felon bully in severe cognitive decline. And I was going to take the time to feel the fear and sadness about the rights that are being lost by me and the people I love. Many of us are giving each other a safe space in which to do that grieving - but this statement from Bernie feels like an attack on that.

MustLoveBeagles

(16,406 posts)
35. OMFG!!! BERNIE!!!!
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:13 PM
Nov 2024

How DARE you kick us when we're down! You certainly don't mind leaching off a party you hate when it suits you. I guess your detractors were right about you all along.

A hearty Fuck You from a now former supporter. So disappointed and angry.

sheshe2

(97,627 posts)
113. Trust me, we always saw him for what he is.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 05:21 AM
Nov 2024

I will say no more…though I have much more that I could say.

chia

(2,817 posts)
36. He should understand better than anyone what an obstructionist congress looks like. The Biden administration
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:14 PM
Nov 2024

would have done so much more, but the GOP made sure he couldn't, so they could blame him. Disappointing to see this from him today.

Response to chia (Reply #36)

Nixie

(17,984 posts)
89. Same here. I'm still waiting for his apology tour for
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 10:42 PM
Nov 2024

all the damage he's done, but he is clueless.

2 Meow Momma

(6,876 posts)
38. Lots of lectures today.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:15 PM
Nov 2024

I don’t much like the timing of them. Everyone seems to have the answers today.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
47. Is he kidding? It's just the opposite, in my opinion.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:28 PM
Nov 2024

I remember the democratic house fighting TOOTH AND NAIL to pass shit to help families, but forgetting to advertise all of their efforts. NONE of it was appreciated. The public who benefited had zero idea of all the work that was done on their behalf, thanks to the media and people like bernie. Times have changed bernie and you're still shouting the same false message from 20 years ago.

kacekwl

(9,147 posts)
48. I love you Bernie but instead
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:29 PM
Nov 2024

of making asinine comments about democrats go home and fill your wood box for winter. SMH

white_wolf

(6,257 posts)
50. He's not wrong
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:33 PM
Nov 2024

I'm sorry, but he's not wrong. When will the democrats learn that catering towards some magical moderate voter that doesn't exist won't win them elections. We tried it in 2016 and lost. We tried it 2024 and lost. Maybe we need to try something else. I'm not trying to say we need to abandon the Democratic party, but the current strategy clearly isn't working. We lost and we lost bad.

white_wolf

(6,257 posts)
72. Why didn't they campaign on that?
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:16 PM
Nov 2024

The Harris campaign didn't campaign on any of that. Not hard enough anyway. Instead they wasted time trying to appeal to moderate Republicans by campaigning with Cheney of all people. They didn't make their case to the people. Their message was basically things will be the same, but slightly better. The simple fact is that you don't fight populism by trying to protect the status quo. We need a left-wing brand of populism in this country. Look, maybe it is strictly a messaging issue, but it is still an issue.

It's clear to me now that a majority of the electorate doesn't seem to vote based on policy at all. They seem to vote based on vibes and messaging. Maybe that's what we need to get better at, but, like him or not, Sanders is good at that brand of messaging.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
80. Didn't BS & AOC campaign for
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:37 PM
Nov 2024

Kamala in Wisconsin?

What did he have to say about VP Kamala then?

Anyway he’s Wrong.. President Biden & Vp Harris didn’t abandon Workers.

kacekwl

(9,147 posts)
97. The only way to win trump/republican voters
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:31 AM
Nov 2024

is if we adopt the racist women hating platform. No thanks.

white_wolf

(6,257 posts)
99. I never said that
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 01:33 AM
Nov 2024

I said the exact opposite that we need to move further to the left. I never even implied we should adopt a Republican platform. In fact, I argued that the reason we lost is because we tried to appeal to the right.

kacekwl

(9,147 posts)
132. I did not say you said that.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:27 PM
Nov 2024

I said it. If democratic voters choose not to vote then that's a vote for trump. I won't make excuses for them if somehow they think they were abandoned. Let's see how they they feel in 4 years.

white_wolf

(6,257 posts)
133. Apologies
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:55 PM
Nov 2024

Sorry I was defensive. I'm having a rough time of it as I'm sure most of us are, but I shouldn't have been so defensive with you. I really did think we had this one so I'm still in a bit of shock.

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mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
87. And workers aren't voting for us..
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 10:11 PM
Nov 2024

We're not fighting hard enough for working people. We had a few chances in the last 15 years to raise the minium wage, why didn't we? Expand Medicare? Social Security? Single payer healthcare?
I know the argument, republicans wouldn't do it. Of course they wouldn't but the point is we could and didn't so they get away with saying we're all the same, and both sides do it, and nothing ever changes. Both sides blame each other. And the right wing noise is deafening.
I honestly don't know and probably never will, why any working person would vote republican, much less trump, but what I do want to know is why thery're not voting Democratic. I'm determined to find some answers as we slog through the next 4 years, I should live that long..

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
88. Good point. A lot of regular people are just disgusted with lack of action by government on a number of issues.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 10:32 PM
Nov 2024

When you feel like that, you vote against the incumbent. Don’t agree with them, but think it’s true.

At least we can criticize trump for the next 4 years.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
56. Stop it, Bernie. Just stop. It serves no good purpose*
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:40 PM
Nov 2024

*to pour salt in these fresh wounds. Why? Stop it!

Joe Cool

(1,091 posts)
59. A lot of it is right wing media
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:41 PM
Nov 2024

There are many Americans addicted to and brainwashed by it. Right wing entertainment poisoned the American psyche.

ALBliberal

(3,339 posts)
64. Asshole. Says a girl that staged a photo op
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 08:55 PM
Nov 2024

At his headquarters in Silver City NM because he was my “primary” candidate. Trust me I switched to Hillary soon thereafter.

And now I wonder…. Maybe 🤔 f he had dropped out sooner?

Asshole. Sure this is headed to jury!

fairfaxvadem

(1,265 posts)
71. No surprise...he's actually a very unfriendly person
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:15 PM
Nov 2024

Having met him a few times in DC, I was shocked at how closed off he is. Good on the stump, I guess, but otherwise, a curmudgeon of the first order. Of course, these were just my own impressions. Other opinions will vary, which I understand.

I also noticed when he was on the news/talk shows over the last few months, he always had to do his stump speech before maybe/barely putting in a good word for Harris.

Glad he won his re-elect (not a heavy lift) but this latest rant of his is just reinforcing my opinion - it's all about him.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
75. I can believe that. I remember Hillary commenting in her book *
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:24 PM
Nov 2024

* that nobody in the Senate liked him. You're observations track with her observations. Yes it was very disappointing to see that his appearance is on behalf of Harris were mostly about himself and his pet issues, and endorsing Harris and asking people to vote for her seemed like an afterthought.

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
74. Sorry, but he's right
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:21 PM
Nov 2024

Or maybe you haven't noticed how well his message resonates with the working class.

In fact, rebuilding working class communities is the driver behind Bidenomics.

fairfaxvadem

(1,265 posts)
81. Sherrod had a similar message, always
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:40 PM
Nov 2024

Senator Brown's loss is a huge loss for all of us. We've lost a real champion for the middle class - unlike Bernie, he actually was always more accessible than Senator Sanders. And more genuine, in my opinion and experience. But in terms of messaging and their politics (unions, trade issues, etc.,) they weren't that far apart. What's the real difference? Ohio vs. Vermont. And I have a lot of affection for Ohio so it pains me to say that.

Greybnk48

(10,724 posts)
82. Stephanie Rhule said the same damn thing last night!
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:54 PM
Nov 2024

Her example was President Biden's student loan forgiveness. It was a huge boon to college graduates, especially those who attended four years, but did nothing for the working class and the poor.

She said that kind of largesse with one group thought by many as elite, while seemingly ignoring those who are just struggling to keep a place to live and food on the table clearly fostered resentment and anger.

She says that's what we saw last night, even though F*ckface Trump is probably the last person that will help them in reality, they believed he was on their side as a regular Joe against the elite. Not against the 1% wealthy, but against the people that they think look down their noses on them.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
90. Think that's a big part of it. More people didn't go to college than did. Think they are wrong,
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 10:49 PM
Nov 2024

but I can understand how they feel if they believe college graduates, immigrants, etc., get something they don’t. It’s probably just stupidity, racism, bigotry on their part, but it’s how they feel.

Just one of the things we need to reevaluate going forward. Hope we do.

There were even DUers who opposed student loan forgiveness.

Greybnk48

(10,724 posts)
128. Not at all!! Loan forgiveness is and was extremely important and essential.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 01:21 PM
Nov 2024

People were roped into private loans that were almost impossible to pay off. I worked for the University of Wisconsin and I know what was done to many, many unsuspecting students and parents who were bullied into bad loans, never expecting them to be suddenly devious and harmful. People have been paying back money they never borrowed, some for years!

That said, Bernie's point is that we should have provided universal healthcare to everyone like Europe has. We should not have this private garbage, like the private "supplemental" that is destroying Medicare with fraud. We should be taxing the rich. When Bernie (and me) were kids, the wealthy paid taxes on I think 90% of their income. We built the Interstates, etc. with that money. Major tax relief for middle, and lower middle class. And why haven't we expanded public taxpayer funded public school to include four years of college for those who pass an entrance exam. I would add that those who don't pass the entrance exams (some don't test well), should be admitted on academic probation to show that they can do the work.
I've been a Bernie "bro-ette" for years and I agree with him 100% on most things. I love him.

lapfog_1

(31,904 posts)
85. does the rule here on bashing democrats
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 10:04 PM
Nov 2024

also cover posts BY democrats and independent political people who are bashing the democratic party? Just wondering.

Passages

(4,161 posts)
86. Trump won the popular vote. I am still in deep shock.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 10:06 PM
Nov 2024

We must look at everything that happened.

Response to SocialDemocrat61 (Original post)

DFW

(60,186 posts)
115. It has been years now
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 06:28 AM
Nov 2024

Any post that says, “Bernie says” was one I usually did’t open.

Vinca

(53,994 posts)
120. I'm seriously pissed off at Bernie Sanders. He was in a senior leadership position on the Democratic
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 08:57 AM
Nov 2024

side of the aisle and IT WAS UP TO HIM TO DO THE THINGS HE'S NOW BLAMING DEMOCRATS FOR NOT DOING.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
126. I can't stant to even read the title of this OP...it enrages me. So trashed.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:17 PM
Nov 2024

No offense meant to the OP...and Sanders stuff will longer show up on my DU...He is dead to me metaphorically speaking.

tritsofme

(19,900 posts)
130. What an asshole. Lots of opinions about the Democratic Party for someone who has NEVER been a Democrat.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 03:04 PM
Nov 2024

His opinion on anything is about important to me as Trump’s.

mathematic

(1,610 posts)
140. What a hypocrite: "Biden has been the strongest, most progressive president in my lifetime"
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:29 PM
Nov 2024

Sanders said that and he's old. He was alive when FDR was president.

Sanders is trying to pretend that the progressive wing of the party hasn't been running things in Biden's administration because he doesn't want this blowout election to come back on his personal legacy.

Biden spent $36B bailing out the Teamsters pension fund and they didn't even endorse Harris. Sanders has it completely backwards.

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