OK.....trying to get past this....who do we run in '28?

[FRANKPAGS]

We have to start getting a movement now. Shapiro? Harris again? Buttigieg? Thoughts?

[elleng]

1. Dunno, just starting to think, worst part?

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Our VAST misunderstanding of the U.S. population

~~~Some Americans Had No Clue Joe Biden Dropped Out.

[brush]

6. And waiting to see how the polling industry failed so spectacularlly...

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and how they plan to fix it.

There is speculation on social media that trump and Johnson's secret is vote machine codes, which is allegedly why trump was so confidence and doubling down with the insults during the last week.

That is probbaly just a rumor.

[MiKenMi33]

28. That may be a rumor.

But several months ago, Dump said he didn’t need any votes, he had all he needed. Maybe the fix was already in.

[Silent Type]

34. Sorry, doubt anyone hacked into multiple state voting systems and no one noticed or

will notice shortly.

[brush]

50. Can't put anything past the rethugs. They lie and cheat anyway they can. They're racist, misogynistic...

and they cheat. We had a huge turnout, which has alsways been our remedy to combat their cheating, yet the 'numbers' still say the won.

[LiberalArkie]

57. It was, but people did not show up to vote. If the Democrats had had ads with the plain news reports of from the early

covid. Of the refrigerator trucks, of Trump giving the talks on horse med to UV tubes up the ass. Of him just denying that there was a problem. Those ads run every day. Would have won. Easily.

But really I don't think I ever heard anything about it. Maybe something was mentioned in passing.

If the political ads had just been 1 minutes clips of national news..

[jimfields33]

33. I think the polls were spot on if you include margin of error.

[Silent Type]

35. Exactly. In fact, those that said "polls are predictive" were proven wrong in this election.

[jimfields33]

39. Yes. I hope 2026 (mid terms) that respect returns to polling.

I think the people who run the polls did a great job in a difficult situation.

[Silent Type]

42. We only "trust the science" when it suits us.

[jimfields33]

43. True. Very true.

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56. I dunno. Dem internal polls were wrong too, which is why there was so much optimism.

And if it was margin of error, how could every battleground state swing to trump? Sorry, that seems to be against the laws of probability?

We may never know. It kind of reminds me of how Kenneth Blackwell manipulated the outcome in Ohio in '04 and likely cheated John Ketty out of a win.

And then there was Florida in '00. Funny how the breaks always favor the rethugs.

[jimfields33]

58. I agree with those two scenarios.

But you’d have to believe that the governors and AGs of North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, were in on the steal. I find that hard to believe.

[brush]

63. Why would you think rethugs would let Dem governors in on anything?

Now that's hard to believe.

[jimfields33]

64. Repugs have no power in those states.

[brush]

65. No power to cheat? Like that ever stopped them. And of course they don't discuss their dirty tricks with Democrats.

[cachukis]

7. Least common denominator? Looks like that's

what wins now. Mr. Rogers?
Trump clone?
We have to follow the beat rather than get in front of it?
Harris was spiritual; uplifting. We all felt better when we saw her in action.
We all, including trumpers, were let down at trump rallies.
There's more going on.

[sheshe2]

26. Oooh boy.

[Bread and Circuses]

31. 2028 there will not be a presidential election

I think everyone is thinking our way of governing continues.

NO.

It ll changes. Think Germany 1932. Think today- Russia, North Korea, Afghanistan.

No one stop the Felon from being dictator for life . Wake up.

[Silent Type]

38. I'm betting on elections including mid-terms. Heck, I have a standing order for absentee ballots.

[ratchiweenie]

47. Newsom-California

[CTyankee]

70. Has he shown any interest lately in running for President?

[ratchiweenie]

72. Not particularly but if there had been a primary and he his name had been put forward, you can bet your bottom dollar

he would have gone for it. I also think if he had been the candidate, he would have won. He is tough.

[CTyankee]

73. and handsome, but sometimes a bit too handsome...

[catsudon]

74. i like him

a younger role model white male vs garbage younger white racist maga vance

[Ocelot II]

2. It's waaay too soon. We'll know better when we see exactly what kind of fuckery

Trump and Vance get up to. Then we can get a better idea of who might be the best antidote. In the meantime there needs to be a thorough analysis of why this all went sideways.

[Silent Type]

40. +1. We really don't know what the election issues will be in a year or two. And mid-terms

are coming up.

The thorough analysis is absolutely necessary, no matter what conclusions.

[brush]

3. Whitmer. Gov. of Illinois. Newsom. Gov. of Maryland.

[CTyankee]

4. Perhaps a new face with a compelling message and could be a man or a woman.

We are a party of new ideas and freedom. We are free thinkers and that will lead us to forming a party with new strengths and allies among our populace. That is my thinking now, one day past our terrible defeat.

[Orrex]

29. Sensible people will vote for a woman

Our fuckhead nation as a whole apparently will not.

[democratsruletheday]

86. exactly.....I LOVE Whitmer, she's my Governor but

after Hillary and Now Kamala, it's time to recalibrate.

[yourout]

5. Ruben Gallego

[white_wolf]

8. Tim Walz?

I realize it is unlikely after this loss, but I really liked him and think he has potential.

[indigovalley]

24. Walz was not at the top of the ticket so I don't think losing this election would hurt him in 2028

And I agree he has potential. He would be free to be more of the attack dog he wanted to be but couldn't with Harris. His persona is that of a regular person not an ivy league elite.

[Tribetime]

9. Newsome AOC Buttiigieg

[Homoudont]

62. And Whitmer

I would take any combination of Newsom, AOC, Mayor Pete, and Whitmer. Man that would be a tough primary. Wouldn't even know who would get my vote between those 4.

[democratsruletheday]

88. My sister is gay and lives in Boston....

She's close to 60 and I value her opinion because she is extremely intelligent and has a PHD so I asked her the other day if Pete could win and she said no. I agree with her. We have enough misogyny and racism that sunk KH...but Homophobia? It's off the GD hook folks. No to Pete, I love him but no. The homophobia would sink him but he's similar to Kamala in that he's an intellectual.

So you say, but they're both extremely qualified, some would say overqualified...what's the problem? I see it as a TON of voters aren't overly bright and feel threatened by certain intellectual politicians. Call it the 'dumbing down' of America if you will. They like Trump because he's on their level folks. Sad but true. I like Shapiro or Kelly as they're wicked smart too. So for NOW that leaves me with Walz. He's an 'every person' kinda guy and has shown the ability (albeit on a smaller level) of appealing to many demographics of voters. I know my opinion won't be popular but I believe it to be true folks. I've been voting since 1988 and at the end of the day it's a popularity and likeability contest more than anything else. It's sad but true.

[Frank D. Lincoln]

10. Not to rain on your parade but

I think Republicans are going to control future elections.

How can you have a democracy in an autocracy?

[beesplease]

54. Don't give up.

This sort of thinking is very destructive.
Grieve, get up, and get going.
Plant a garden this spring, and start talking to your neighbors. Get them interested slowly and politely.

[live love laugh]

11. Who do you suggest? And why's it important now?

[FRANKPAGS]

18. It is just something to get me to look forward with hope..

I am partial to Corey Booker being from NJ, but Buttigieg seems reasonable as well. Whitmer too, but, I don't know. This country still can't get around electing a woman.

[Emile]

12. AOC

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. I think AOC will run for Schumer's seat when he retires. Nt

[jimfields33]

36. I do too. I think she'd be great in that seat. President? Not yet. Maybe ten years from now.

[doublethink]

37. Won't she still be too young?

gotta be in your 30's to run for President right. No details on my part.

[Emile]

48. She is 35 years old now.

[Ontheboundry]

84. I'll play devils advocate

Should we not drift a little.more to the middle ? Plenty of moderate Republicans out there this be had

[Emile]

85. Are you serious? You want us to be more right wing?

[Ontheboundry]

90. I said get a little closer to the middle

We lost the Senate and white house, and are losing voting blocs that have been very reliable

Shall we go further left ? I'm asking seriously

[Emile]

91. So moving more to the right will attract people?

Those middle of the road Dems cost us the public option. I think being republican lite will not attract more people. People who feel that way will just join the republican party.

[TBF]

13. Seriously? By that time Vance will be president

and we'll be lucky if there is an election. Have you read Project 2025?

This isn't a game of flag football.

[bdamomma]

14. Nice to be thinking

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in advance, but the felon said he should have never left in 2021, what makes you think he will leave in 4 years???

This is just sick we have this POS in office again.

The world is watching, but saying what is wrong with Americans?????

[True Dough]

32. I don't think he'll have a choice, bdamomma

I believe the vessel that supports Mango Mussoilini is going to fail, going to give out. The hamburders will come back to haunt him before his second term ends. That's my bet.

[Polybius]

15. Newsom/AOC against Vance/Donalds (Florida House member)

Who wins?

[Zeitghost]

23. Vance in a landslide

A CA Gov and a NYC progressive Congresswoman have no chance in a nationwide election.

From 2008 onward, the winner has taken PA, WI and MI. Newsom and AOC won't do well there.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. Unless the party moves in a dramatically different direction in reaction to this loss, I expect

The nominee will be a straight white male, Center-right politically (or at least the appearance of being a centrist), with a Latino male running mate.

Newsom will jockey hard for this, but I also expect Whitmer, Beshear and Shapiro to run.

Butteigeig is likely to run for Governor of MI (he has relocated his family there); he’s young, and will likely run for president down the road.

[Alliepoo]

81. Yep, FT, I think you're on to something there.

White male, Latino male running mate. This country is obviously not ready to elect a woman. I’d love to see a woman as president before I croak but I don’t think that will happen.

[Dem4life1234]

19. Maybe Newsom?

How many have the charisma of Kamala except we have to worry about the gutter rat incel misogynists.

[Zeitghost]

21. The same person we should have run this year

The winner of an open and well fought primary season between a handful of quality candidates.

[0rganism]

22. Jon Stewart

He's the obvious choice, although some here will hate it.

Charisma, camera presence, name recognition, star power, wit and comedic timing, solid history of charitable works, high degree of public trust, not strongly affiliated with Democratic party internal politics or the mainstream press, white(ish), male.

In a debate, he could completely roflstomp anyone the GOP nominated. He'd be a welcome guest on national TV or any podcast.

The Jewish thing will likely drop support on the margins but I still think he's the best choice if you want to unseat tyrants like Trump and Vance.

[BannonsLiver]

25. A white or Hispanic male.

If we want the best chance to win. As much as I’d like a woman as president it’s a generation away, at least. That’s one of the sad cold takeaways from last night.

[cjoki4]

30. Gavin Newsom California Govenor

white male, charmastic and i think rather good looking!

[lindysalsagal]

41. Josh Shapiro

[Polybius]

44. Wonder who they run

Will Vance beat DeSantis?

[Renew Deal]

45. We need more than a candidate in 28

We need a movement

[pstokely]

46. we need to start building a movement for 2026 now

for a Blue Tsunami

[Shrek]

49. Dean Phillips

He tried to make the case for a competitive primary and nobody wanted to hear it.

In hindsight maybe he was right.

[ms liberty]

51. Gavin Newsom.

[Wingus Dingus]

52. Whoever it is, I'm pretty sure they won't win once things have been "fixed" in our elections going forward.

If you know what I mean.

[Bettie]

66. Will we even have elections?

if we do, I expect they will be "one candidate" elections, with the project 2025 approved candidate in that spot.

[Wingus Dingus]

67. They will allow the appearance of some Dems winning elections.

But they will not allow themselves to lose elections where they would lose power, from here on out.

[JohnSJ]

53. What we need to think about is what we can do to limit the damage for the next two years, and make some in roads in the

midterms.

[LiberalArkie]

55. Unless things really change. It has to be a white guy. Macho guy that the surburban women will like.

Sorry no metrosexual, no gay guys. In today's climate ( and really the last 20 years), a jock who doesn't mind talking down to people. A smooth talking con man

[marble falls]

59. More importantly: who are we running '26: House, Senate and state legislatures?

[Historic NY]

60. Someone that is in touch with America...

because apparently Democrats aren't. That what they are saying.

[Oopsie Daisy]

61. That's a sweet sentiment. I do not think that there will be a 2028 presidential election.

[dsp3000]

68. White Anglo Saxon Protestant that is charismatic

Shapiro won't be able to get the rural vote due to antisemitism
Newsom from "commiefornia" maybe... but he's from california

Folks, it's time to get real. America has always been a racist misogynistic country and until we run a WASP candidate we're not going to win any time soon. Harris underperformed Biden in all of the rural counties purely for this reason. she ran a great campaign in my opinion but some folks just can't get over tribal identities.

[flamingdem]

69. Worry about the midterms first

Sorry to say that the safest choice will be thought to be a straight male.

But four years is a long time.

[flvegan]

71. Easy call. David Bautista

Since this country is little more than unscripted reality tv/"gameshows" and pro wresting, and we need to reach that TFD (too fucking dumb) vote, Bautista seems perfect.

/s

Who am I kidding, not /s. This is really where we are.

[MineralMan]

75. That's not going to get you past it.

It's far too early for that. We're going to have to deal with the situation as it is for some indeterminate time period. We aren't going to divert from that by discussing who will run in 2028. That will just distract from the real issues we're going to face.

Best to get started with what we know is going to happen and deal with that as it unfolds. In a couple of years, maybe, we can begin to plan for 2028. There is 2026 coming in between. You can start thinking about that now, if you like.

[ForgedCrank]

76. Political landscapes

are often compared to the weather and winds for a reason. Things change too quickly and dramatically to predict that far in advance. 2028 is so far away right now, there is no telling what will transpire between now and then. New faces come into the light, and others fall from favor just as quickly. The WHO part is not something to consider right now. What and how are the important things right now.

[CousinIT]

77. IF we have elections in 2028, they will be heavily rigged by Trump's DoJ and the billionaires.

Like Russia.

If we still had a Democracy, I think Newsome/Buttigieg would be a powerful combo.

Two white men (one gay). No women. Because let's face it. This country will not elect a woman unless it's a MAGAt woman like ACB.

[WarGamer]

78. too early.

Let's see a healthy and vigorous primary...

Buttigieg, Whitmer, Shapiro, Newsom and a half dozen we haven't thought of.

[NewDayOranges]

79. Gov Josh Shapiro or Gov Gavin Newsome...

I love Buttigedge, too...

All do well at pushing back and verbally defending themselves!

[EnergizedLib]

82. I myself would seek the nomination if I had the money

I’m completely serious.

[Rebl2]

83. I thought

trump said there would be no more presidential elections.

[JCMach1]

87. Someone who understands 'by any means necessary '

Do we have a modern LBJ in our party somewhere?

[kentuck]

89. How about we run Frank Pags?

Sounds like he has a plan?