I know that I make some of you very uncomfortable when I say this, but it's a reality that we have to face.

[Yavin4]

This global rise in fascism is tied to White anxiety over their declining population numbers. It's the same story in Europe as well. You may see exit polls talking about the state of the economy or about abandoning the working class when the truth is that a majority of White Americans, who are the majority of the voters, voted for one of the worst candidates for public office in U.S. history primarily based on his targeting of immigrants. It doesn't get any clearer than that. He offered few other policy proposals other than tariffs, more oil drilling, and restrictions on reproductive rights which is another form of this anxiety.

Patriarchy and misogyny also play an important role in all of this as well, for only White women can give birth to more White people. Controlling women's bodies is a the second part of addressing this anxiety after immigrants. I do not know how any Democratic candidate can counter Trump's and the Republicans' messaging on this, but without such a message, we may see last night repeat itself again and again.

Between 1999 and 2016, the number of white births fell by 10.8 percent to 2,094,000 and the number of white deaths rose by 9.2 percent to 2,133,000. Both these demographic changes contributed to waning levels of natural increase and the onset of white natural decrease (Figure 1). The pace of decline in white births intensified from 2007 to 2016, due in part to the Great Recession's significant impact on U.S. fertility.

With significantly fewer white births and a rising number of deaths, natural increase (births minus deaths) actually ended in 2016. In that year, for the first time in U.S. history, data from the National Center for Health Statistics showed more white deaths than births in the United States.

https://apl.wisc.edu/data-briefs/natural-decrease-18#:~:text=Between%201999%20and%202016%2C%20the,natural%20decrease%20(Figure%201).

Europe:

Migration was once again the story of the European Union’s population growth last year, despite the far right’s sweeping electoral successes across the Continent on an anti-migration platform.

There were more deaths than births in the bloc in the year between January 1, 2023 and January 1, 2024, but the losses were outweighed by positive net migration, with the EU’s population rising 1.6 million to 449.2 million people, according to demographic data released by Eurostat on Thursday.

The figures show that migration has kept the EU’s overall population from shrinking, even as far-right political parties hostile to migration enjoy a surge in popularity across the continent. Many such parties have made reversing their countries’ demographic decline a key pledge, but have emphasized raising fertility rates and discouraging emigration.

https://www.politico.eu/article/migration-growth-demographic-data-buoys-eu-population-amid-far-right-wave/

Europe in 2100: What does the future hold?
The 2100 population pyramid projects a shrinking and ageing society. The share of children, young people below 20, and those of working age will decline, while those aged 65 or more will grow.

In 2100, those aged 65 and over are set to account for 32 per cent of the population, compared to 21 per cent in 2022.

The projected population pyramid, as a result, will look much heavier on the top than today’s: there will be more people aged over 80 than people under 20.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/04/04/china-sees-first-population-decline-in-six-decades-where-does-the-eu-stand

[TwilightZone]

1. I'm not sure why that would make any of us uncomfortable.

I think we're all in agreement that those are factors. They've been factors in Trump's support since his campaign began in 2015 and have only gotten clearer over time.

[Yavin4]

2. Trust me. I've gotten pushback on this.

Some say that raising this point is not helpful.

[TwilightZone]

5. There was extensive discussion of white anxiety after the 2016 campaign.

"Economic anxiety" was always code for fear of losing status. The link further to white supremacy is pretty clear.

An article discussing studies on the conflation of the two and related issues from 2018:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/us/politics/trump-economic-anxiety.html

[LonePirate]

3. Definitely. Plus there were plenty of people willing to overlook those factors because they were angry over prices.

Make no mistake, we are a deeply racist, misogynistic and bigoted country. Trump simply made people feel good about holding those views.

[Yavin4]

7. Trump and the Republicans have yet to offer any coherent policy to address rising prices.

House Republicans have had two years to offer policy proposals and so far have offered nothing.

[SoCalDavidS]

4. What About The Latino Vote

They attributed a significant exodus of Latinos to him as the reason Kamala fell short.

[Yavin4]

6. Please stop with the Latino male vote.

That's a cop out. The majority of voters are White people, and the majority of them voted for Trump. There are not enough voting Latinos to overcome this.

[msongs]

14. millions of latino voters actually nt

[Yavin4]

18. There's not enough Latino voters to compensate for the White vote.

I understand that you're having a hard time coping with this reality, but it's the reality.

[stopdiggin]

23. particularly when some portion of that Latino vote

is going TOWARD Trump and the GOP.
It is NOT an insignificant factor - and, by all accounts, is trending UPWARDS.

[Lulu KC]

15. Not all Latinos are immigrants

Not all Latinos are pro-immigration, as it stands today, with who they think is entering today.

Latinos are not a monolith.

[Bread and Circuses]

8. How soon before the bombs start flying ......

…..between Israel and Iran ?

Israel will hit Palestine and Lebanon hard and blow the countries off the planet in early 2025.
Hope Iran can construct a nuclear bomb from scraps on the floor.

[Lulu KC]

16. You hope Iran can construct a nuclear bomb?

Am I reading this correctly?

[beesplease]

27. Then what?

An interesting game... the only way to win is to not play.....

[valleyrogue]

9. It is never going back. EVER.

Women worldwide will not stand for it. Birthrates are on the decline worldwide but for a handful of countries like Nigeria. High birthrates are incompatible with women's rights.

Women will refuse to have any relationships whatsoever with men before they will ever go back to being breeders and objects for sexual access. If that means the human race dies out eventually, so be it. These men thinking they have a right to control women have only themselves to blame.

The notion we can go back to the horrible, aberrant 1950s--where women were KICKED out of the labor force to make room for the returning WWII servicemen and were absolutely miserable having too many kids and too little access to financial independence--is insane. Furthermore, the economy cannot be sustained without women's workforce participation.

[Yavin4]

20. You're 100% right. It can never go back which makes this new reality even more dangerous.

People are trying to vote some sort of return to a reality that didn't exist. Which will lead to ever more frustration. What happens when all of the immigrants are kicked out, and their 1950s utopia is still not a reality. Who do they target next? Who do they go after next?

[atreides1]

28. Who?

Once the immigrants are gone, they already have the LBGTQ community in their sights, so they will be the next group. Then the minorities...like the Latinos and Blacks who voted for Trump. How about those American Muslims, they have a target on their backs, too!

That's who will be next!!!

[Justice matters.]

10. This little planet has limited resources.

Less population or at least a status quo in numbers has to come into the political discourse sooner than later.

[valleyrogue]

11. The glut of elderly people to workers is a temporary phenomenon.

It would eventually even out, provided the planet isn't dead by then.

The worst possible thing is for all people to have children. The planet can't survive.

As for the racism and the anxiety of whites in the West of being displaced, they need to suck it up and accept it.

[Yavin4]

22. When I walk around NYC, I see workers from developing nations taking care of the elderly and children alike.

Forcing these people out of this nation would create vast economic turmoil

[markodochartaigh]

12. Migration from the "global south"

is only going to increase as anthropogenic climate change increases drought, flooding, famine, and lethal wet bulb temperatures. The US and most European countries have birth rates below replacement rates. Also, in most countries social safety net benefits for the elderly are paid for in large part by the young. A certain amount of immigration would help to stabilize wealthier countries.
It is not at all likely that an enlightened immigration policy will be embraced in the US for at least the next four years of course.

[Bread and Circuses]

13. Iran? War

…..between Israel and Iran ?

Israel will hit Palestine and Lebanon hard and blow the countries off the planet in early 2025.
Hope Iran can construct a nuclear bomb from scraps on the floor.

[Lulu KC]

17. Again? You hope again? n/t

[stopdiggin]

24. This is the second (and repeat) post

I therefor take the liberty of pointing out that this post has nothing to do with either subject, or thread.

Feel free to find post that has something to do with your interest or perceived point - or, alternatively, initiate your own.

[JI7]

19. Harris would have easily beat Trump in Europe

While there are racists there there is also a real problem with Islamic extremism.

[Yavin4]

21. Racial anxiety works a little different in Europe.

It's more complicated.

[MaryMagdaline]

25. This is the absolute truth and nothing but the truth

[yankee87]

26. Agree

Reminds me of the Eisenhower time of Operation Wetback.
Much closer than not of seeing my end, but maybe this is always the way countries die.

If was a disaster and it’s going to be bad. Hard to stay positive.