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Exit poll results per Reuters (Original Post) surfered Nov 2024 OP
Elon and Vladimir hacked the tabulators Meadowoak Nov 2024 #1
How? They aren't connected to the internet. Ocelot II Nov 2024 #2
I don't know, maybe through an update. something isn't right. Meadowoak Nov 2024 #3
Nobody cheated Pototan Nov 2024 #5
yes they certainly are dopes, but Trump has cheated at everything in his life. Now we're supposed to take them at their Meadowoak Nov 2024 #6
Jesus. We don't want to sound like them Pototan Nov 2024 #7
Or the majority of Americans are clueless. nt City Lights Nov 2024 #21
Trump won 45% of women post Dobbs, to Harris 53% Pototan Nov 2024 #4
Misogyny is not JUST men hating women. It is also women hating other women and themselves. LiberalLoner Nov 2024 #10
That kinda sounds like a black "white supremisist" Pototan Nov 2024 #11
But it's a real thing. So many women hate other women. I remember hearing my Aunt by marriage snarl LiberalLoner Nov 2024 #12
The Bible is what drives them. boston bean Nov 2024 #23
Try harder. Lots of women buy into male supremacy. yardwork Nov 2024 #13
You should read more then. róisín_dubh Nov 2024 #14
Well, if all that's true Pototan Nov 2024 #15
Misogyny in the U.S. stems from our myths, I think. yardwork Nov 2024 #17
Jesus Pototan Nov 2024 #18
As a woman, I regularly hear women say terribly sexist things. yardwork Nov 2024 #20
It's what Carville said BlueKota Nov 2024 #8
If the polls are correct the misogyny is really horrifying onetexan Nov 2024 #9
These exit polls say that the Hispanic vote shifted to Trump. yardwork Nov 2024 #16
Here are the latest vote totals. surfered Nov 2024 #19
Once again, don't trust exit polls until December or so. W_HAMILTON Nov 2024 #22

Meadowoak

(6,606 posts)
6. yes they certainly are dopes, but Trump has cheated at everything in his life. Now we're supposed to take them at their
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 08:53 AM
Nov 2024

word? Too many things just don't add up. we need some recounts. Everywhere I went for 3 weeks the lines were long. record
turnouts everywhere, now we are told that the democrats just stayed home, something is fishy.

Pototan

(3,209 posts)
7. Jesus. We don't want to sound like them
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:05 AM
Nov 2024

In order to cheat, it would have to be in all 50 states who worked independently from each other.

Trump outperformed his vote totals in nearly (if not all) 50 states, including New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maryland and New Jersey.

the posted exit poll would have to be in on the scheme.

There is far more proof that a majority of American voters are dopes, than any half-baked conspiracy theory.

Pototan

(3,209 posts)
4. Trump won 45% of women post Dobbs, to Harris 53%
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 08:46 AM
Nov 2024

that was up 3 points for Trump from 2020 (pre-Dobbs).

And there are posters on this site blaming misogyny for our defeat? Give me a break.

I'm not saying that misogyny doesn't exist, but if women voted in their own best interest (60% Harris) we would have won in a landslide.

LiberalLoner

(11,467 posts)
10. Misogyny is not JUST men hating women. It is also women hating other women and themselves.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:24 AM
Nov 2024

Pototan

(3,209 posts)
11. That kinda sounds like a black "white supremisist"
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:30 AM
Nov 2024

It's hard for me to get my head around.

LiberalLoner

(11,467 posts)
12. But it's a real thing. So many women hate other women. I remember hearing my Aunt by marriage snarl
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:58 AM
Nov 2024

That those sluts having sex need to be punished with babies and that’s why she voted for Trump.

There is a good example of misogyny coming from a fellow woman.

róisín_dubh

(12,379 posts)
14. You should read more then.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:07 AM
Nov 2024

One term to define it is "ladder pullers" (think Amy Coney Barrett or Thomas' wife (forget her name). These are women who get where they are and then pull up the ladder behind them by defending the patriarchy. A modern term is "pick me girls". More technically, it's called internalised misogyny. It's a thing.

But, like critical race theory, it's not commonly taught outside of highly theoretical legal and other academic contexts. It's absolutely a thing.

Pototan

(3,209 posts)
15. Well, if all that's true
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:25 AM
Nov 2024

it certainly makes winning an election with a women heading the ticket all that much more difficult.

There has been a female elected as a head of state in the Philippines, Great Britain, Italy, New Zealand, Israel, India and many others. Is this phenomenon particular to the United States?

yardwork

(69,647 posts)
17. Misogyny in the U.S. stems from our myths, I think.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:31 AM
Nov 2024

America has myths that say we were founded by rugged individualist men, building a democracy from the wilderness. This is a potent and very appealing myth. It leads Americans - men and women - to admire brash white men. There is strong cultural pressure to choose them as leaders.

Yes, I think it's a U.S. thing.

Pototan

(3,209 posts)
18. Jesus
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:42 AM
Nov 2024

I'm thinking that even Pakistan has had a female head of state, freely elected, and that's a majority Muslim country.

You mean putting a woman in charge of the government is more acceptable in Pakistan than America?

Now, I really can't get my head around it. I not only personally find a woman acceptable as a President, but all things being equal, I'd prefer it.

I've run into men who are misogynist, but I haven't ever heard a woman tell me she can't vote for a woman

yardwork

(69,647 posts)
20. As a woman, I regularly hear women say terribly sexist things.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:00 PM
Nov 2024

Some of it is subtle, some blatant. Women can be vicious to one another.

BlueKota

(5,554 posts)
8. It's what Carville said
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:12 AM
Nov 2024

back in the 90's. "It's the economy stupid." Most people aren't educated enough about the economy and don't understand how it works. The press wasn't reporting enough on price gouging or all the things President Biden did to improve the economy. As a video that was posted in another thread proves, they also don't understand the consumer ultimately pays the tariff because the seller passes it on to them.

That's not even as bad as they fact that they don't notice that almost every time a Republican gets in office and uses the trickle down economics theory we go into a recession and a Democrat has to come in and save our asses, but then we get temporary inflation, people blame the Democrats and the whole dumb ass cycle starts all over again.

There is a lot I don't understand about the economy but I'm just remembering what my high-school economics teacher and my college economics professor said. Strangely enough the college professor was a Republican who thought trickle down economics was complete bunk.


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onetexan

(13,913 posts)
9. If the polls are correct the misogyny is really horrifying
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:16 AM
Nov 2024

Apparently this country of primarily white, and other, men cannot vote for a woman, not to mention a Black-Indian woman at that.😕

I truly believe that is the reason why Kamala did not win. Her campaign was amazing and she is so eminently qualified. Apparently that's not enough and the ignorant half of this country would prefer a decrepid, demented felon over her.
I've been so sad and angry like the rest of you. BUT we need to soldier on. We cannot give into the despair. We live to fight for the country another day, another 4 years.

yardwork

(69,647 posts)
16. These exit polls say that the Hispanic vote shifted to Trump.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:27 AM
Nov 2024

Black voters supported Harris at about the same levels as they supported Biden in 2020. White voters actually shifted slightly away from Trump.

Hispanic voters swung heavily in favor of Trump compared to 2020, and young voters swung toward Trump somewhat as well.

If there was a messaging failure it was to Hispanic/Latino voters. They are not a cohesive bloc.

surfered

(14,295 posts)
19. Here are the latest vote totals.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:57 AM
Nov 2024

Biden got over 80 million votes in 2020. Harris got 68 million in 2024.

Trump got 71 million votes in 2020. He got 72 million in 2024.

Anyone notice the difference here?

W_HAMILTON

(10,438 posts)
22. Once again, don't trust exit polls until December or so.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 01:02 PM
Nov 2024

That is because exit polls are based on the electorate as a whole and that won't be finalized until a few weeks from now once all the votes are counted.

I remember people using initial exit polls to blame black voters for Democratic underperformance recently, but once you revisited those updated exit polls towards the end of the year, they showed a completely different story.

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