THIS is NOT what we need from our so called "Leaders"

[LPBBEAR]

" Obama calls for 'good faith and grace' from Dems as he congratulates Trump "
https://www.rawstory.com/barack-obama-2669626048/

Are you farking kidding me!

From the article
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“Now the results are in, and we want to congratulate President Trump and Senator Vance on their victory,” Obama wrote Tuesday. “This is obviously not the outcome we had hoped for, given our profound disagreements with the Republican ticket on a whole host of issues. But living in a democracy is about recognizing that our point of view won’t always win out, and being willing to accept the peaceful transfer of power.”
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What the actual f**k!

I don't know about the rest of you but I'm definitely not in the mood to "congratulate" Trump nor will I ever be in such a forgiving mood.

Instead of coming out and speaking truth to power Obama spouts this weak kneed bullshit. Enough of the "my friends across the aisles" hopie changie crap. We need leaders who FIGHT the evil that is Trump and the Republican party not congratulating him and patting him on the back.

"But living in a democracy is about recognizing that our point of view won’t always win out, and being willing to accept the peaceful transfer of power.”

Apparently he is under the deluded idea that we still live in a Democracy and that in 2 or 4 years we can just magically vote this fascist madman away.....as if we'll still have the ability to vote in 2 or 4 years!

Delusional.

Its time for a serious discussion on who is actually our so called "leaders" and what lind of leadership we expect from them in the upcoming fight we're about to be dumped in to.

All we need next is to have Biden do the same weak kneed god damn crap as Obama. Perfect (sarcasm)

[Bettie]

1. This is going to sound harsh

but, that is really easy to say when you have the resources to leave the country when things get really bad.

[Ursus Rex]

86. ... and are a beloved figure in most of the world, as well.

The high road is Main St of Privilegetown.

[kerouac2]

2. This is why we will keep losing

Validating trump and their ideas. They lied and ran from most of their ideas. They duped millions. And made racism great again.

[kerouac2]

10. Should have taken the mic time

To rattle off all the terrible things they plan to do. Since many still don't know. Pretty much last chance at relevance for Biden. He should let it rip.

And attack the gop senators and reps who support them every day with ads. We need to take back seats.

[LPBBEAR]

13. Exactly

[dalton99a]

3. The high road is full of roses and tulips and butterflies and rainbows

[Wingus Dingus]

4. Remembering how Trump/GOP behaved in 2021, including an insurrection in which people died,

I think I will withhold my good wishes and congratulations. Thanks anyway.

[LPBBEAR]

41. Add to the

deaths during the insurrection the hundreds of thousands of Americans who died because of Trumps incompetent handling of the Covid epidemic and the likely millions of people who will die in Ukraine and eventually later in Europe and eventually the US when we're dragged into a war in Europe and Taiwan.

The man is a monster

[SheilaAnn]

5. Thank you for your most honest and accurate post. I'm in no congratulatory mood, I am full of resistance. Maybe some new

leaders are in order.

[jimfields33]

6. Former presidents always have done this. It's a small group.

[LPBBEAR]

11. Oddly....

I don't remember that kind of graciousness happening when former President Trump lost the election in 2020.......hmmmmm.

[jimfields33]

14. True. But he did in 2016 with Hillary at his inauguration dinner.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

28. So you wish Obama was more like Trump

Interesting take on a Democratic board.

[Walleye]

7. Women's rights have been set back to generations. Let's not sugarcoat it.

[SamKnause]

8. Please, may I have another.

What a sick and lawless country the U.S. is.

This is not normal and it is not normal to pretend that it is.

[Lonestarblue]

9. I greatly admire Obama, but I have to admit that I cringed when he harangued black men to stop their misogyny.

No one likes to be lectured, but that’s how it came across. I don’t think it helped and may have harmed.

We all need time to process our anger, our disappointment, and our disgust at a country that prefers a known charlatan over an intelligent, compassionate, highly qualified black woman. Asking us to be gracious when we’re been slapped in the face is a bit much just now.

[live love laugh]

22. You may be unaware of the actual misogynistic behavior

he was referring to but I am not. What he said was valid.

I won’t go into details of what was said because it is not helpful but Obama knew what he was talking about.

[Native]

55. I think it definitely harmed things. Our party is viewed by the working class as a party of educated elites,

and being lectured on how to behave and how to vote just adds to that belief. Obama may be black, but his friends are celebrities, he hangs out in The Hamptons, he has a law degree from an Ivy League university, and he's loaded. And now he's lecturing the less educated, less connected, and less financially stable on how to vote. Even Reverend Al Sharpton said today that the Democratic party has a real problem, and specifically pointed out that he's being kept around as the go-to guy and there aren't too many others like him. In other words, we're out of touch with the working class, of all colors.

[BumRushDaShow]

63. "we're out of touch with the working class, of all colors. "

One of the problems that needs to be dealt with is that the oft-used term "working class", became nothing more than CODE TALK for "WHITE working class", as if no other racial or ethnic group was or is "working class".

So Sharpton is correct, and the "messaging" on that needs to be inclusive or it will be back to the same old pandering to the "angry white male Archie Bunkers".

[Native]

65. nailed it.

[CousinIT]

12. I'm facing retirement in 2 years AND massive social security cuts - IF it will exist AT ALL.

And I have nowhere else I can go. I MAY HAVE TO GO LIVE WITH MY MAGA SISTER BECAUSE OF THIS SHIT.

Fuck that.

WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY ANYMORE.

America is DONE.

We now live under an authoritarian dictatorship.

WOMEN, especially, whether older or younger - ALL OF THEM- are particularly in danger.

[LPBBEAR]

19. It would serve our Maghat voting relatives right

if once we're all destitute that we sat up tents on their lawns, took craps in their flower gardens, and showered naked with their garden hoses, When they start complaining and asking us to leave just tell them "You voted for it so STFU and deal with it snowflakes.".

[LiberalLoner]

15. I've been reading Sarah Kendzior lately. She thinks our country is run basically by the mafia and

It’s a good cop, bad cop thing going on.

Harlem globetrotters. The opposing team isn’t really opposing.

I don’t know if her ideas are valid, but more and more lately I am wondering. The idea fills me with despair.

Maybe the only hope for change is grassroots action.

[Elessar Zappa]

66. She's wrong.

Democrats are not in cahoots with Republicans (except some outliers like Manchin). That’s just both sides crap and not reality.

[AKwannabe]

68. Except. The exceptions...

And you just named one!

[Elessar Zappa]

70. Of course, there's always a few.

But that’s just what it is: a few. Republicans have a few too that are more on our side.

[jalan48]

69. Years ago I saw an interview with a former CIA agent. He said the same thing.

[madaboutharry]

16. Seems like Barack hasn't been listening to Michelle.

If I am not mistaken, Michelle seems to have grown rather weary of the "We go high" approach to dealing with republicans. No, I recall her saying this: "DO SOMETHING!"

[boston bean]

17. I read part of it and had to stop reading it. Democrats must stop with this above the fray bs.

[LPBBEAR]

20. I really hope

you're being facetious here! If not and this site really has a problem with what I said then this site would be failing us all in a dramatically ironic fashion.

[live love laugh]

23. I'm not being facetious.

[LPBBEAR]

27. So....

If we were to criticize Joe Lieberman THAT would be against site rules?

How bout Joe Manchin?

How bout Tulsi Gabbard?

How bout Bob Menendez?

How bout Kyrsten Sinema?

All Democrats at one time or another

Excuse me, gotta go. I see the line for the "showers" is forming up now.......

(I AM being facetious BTW in a very sarcastic manner)

[jaxexpat]

21. For the next few weeks, we have a Democratic POTUS with brand new executive immunity!

Trump and Trumpism needs to be in jail today. The power of the presidency should be adequate to make that happen. Trump has already threatened to imprison hundreds of Democrats and is already securing the means to do so. There will be no better moment to pre-empt the rise of a fascist state than now. 6 months from now we will look back and realize what a lost and never again repeated moment of opportunity we saw squandered because..........politeness?

Save the day, do the deed, sort out the future when the dust settles.

[orangecrush]

31. Ain't gonna happen.

Dig in.

[58Sunliner]

52. I wish. I wrote Biden and said the same. People are going to be murdered and democracy will be dead.

If that isn't a 5 alarm fire I don't know what else is.

[onenote]

56. Another poster misinformed about the immunity decision.

The immunity decision merely prevents criminal prosecution of a president. It doesn't render legal actions that are illegal. It doesn't prevent the courts from reversing or enjoining unlawful actions, such as arresting someone without probable cause. If there is a legal basis for arresting him, the immunity decision is irrelevant. It also is irrelevant if there is no legal basis for the arrest since the courts will block or reverse the arrests.

[jaxexpat]

87. You are exactly accurate about the immunity issue, but legal accuracy is what got us where we are today.

Observance of legal forms is the enemy of expediency*, and, in the present case, will prevent necessary intervention to preserve our self-government. In 6 months, your argument will seem poignant in its naivety and irrelevant before the lawlessness manifesting itself from the oval office.

* That's why we observe them as a general means to prevent injustice. Justice and haste are incompatible (at least that's what those who can afford the price of the privilege say).

[onenote]

88. The courts would reverse unlawful orders in a nanosecond. Nothing would be accomplished

accept our ability to claim we are for the rule of law while Trump is president will be shot to hell.

[jaxexpat]

92. Are you saying that arresting Trump for the crimes for which he's accused would be unacceptable?

Since when is parlaying top secret government information with foreign nationals not an arrestable offense?
Since when is inciting the Jan 6th capitol riot not an arrestable offence?
How many federal laws has he broken in his conversations with Putin in recent, non-POTUS, years?
Let him prove his innocence in the face of evidence at hand. Why is relevant evidence delayed and stifled if not as an affront to justice?

If the courts summarily reverse legitimate orders from the POTUS, why not simply arrest judges until we find a sane one?
What I'm saying, and I appreciate how radical it seems, is that the law has failed us. Should we be forced to suffer the pain of its failure for the sake of its form.

Lawlessness begets lawlessness. Okay, but who do you want defining the outcome? That's the only question which matters.

[onenote]

94. Do you have evidence that would support the issuance of an arrest warrant?

If you are harboring evidence that Trump was "parlaying" top secret information with foreign nationals you should get it to DOJ post-haste. Same for evidence supporting a charge of incitement -- a charge that Smith did not bring. And presumably you have hard evidence of what took place in conversations that Trump had with Putin in recent years and how those conversations broke the law -- and please don't cite the Logan Act which is essentially unenforceable.

As far as your solution of arresting judges who reverse presidential orders -- the only judges that wouldn't block or reverse arrests of other judges for issuing an order blocking a presidential order are not "sane" ones.

Finally, I guess you'd add to the list of those you would have arrested any and all federal employees who would have to participate in the arrest who might opt not to obey an order that a court has blocked.

[jaxexpat]

96. Yep, its complicated. But if your questions about evidence are valid and there is, alas, no evidence of criminality.....

then why the big deal? Trump may ultimately only be guilty of public obnoxiousness and Jack Smith has wasted the nation's time.
Surely, we will all fall in line with the new administration for the sake of the country, right? Their lineup of talent may look like a who's-who list of Gestapo wannabe's but, hey, they got the law on their side, right? They've even got possible Schindler stand-ins in makeup for taping in the green room.

But, you know, some malcontent types just won't go for it. They just won't see reason. They'll make noise and start trouble and color outside the lines. And if they don't become extinct, there may be a kernel from which free-thinking people can regroup, re-examine and re-engineer justice under the law sans the overblown trappings and mythology of the ancient "Ages of Enlightenment and Reason". A jump-start from an angry and fearless revolution-respecting POTUS on a righteous tear could be helpful if applied soon enough. Just clearly identifying the teams would make a good start.

[Hope22]

24. When I hear this from Obama

It makes me think he and others have received the memo from TSF to chose his words carefully because his very pretty daughters….
Everyone is afraid.

[mindfulNJ]

25. F*ck this sh*t.

They're all going to bend the knee eventually aren't they?

The more I see the more I want OUT. There is nothing left of the country I thought I knew.

[malaise]

26. Four fucking years of the COnvicted felon screaming I won

And these weak kneed folks want niceness.

[Attilatheblond]

44. He won't be around that long.

they can win at carefully curated polling booths, but they can't beat every reality. The Grim Reaper has all of Trump's addresses and knows Trump is an unhealthy old coot. He'll be paying a visit sooner rather than later.

That said, we will really be in hell under Puppet Vance and project 2025.

[malaise]

46. The sooner the better

That is all

[Attilatheblond]

90. Actually, I fear Vance more than TCF

[Orrex]

29. When they go low

They go on to take the House, Senate, SCOTUS & Whitehouse.

[malaise]

48. Nailed it n/t

[Magoo48]

30. Both Faith and Grace must work or they will starve.

Faith without works is dead.
My work now, which I’ll do peacefully and with good humor, is to resist consistently with purpose and imagination.

[flamingdem]

32. Obama feels irrelevant and retired with this comment

He's apparently not in the fight anymore.

Where are our fighters?

We know this is about lies and Fox MSM manipulation.

[PortTack]

47. Agree....Neville Chamberlain comes to mind...we need a Winston Churchill

[Orrex]

97. Maybe a less "gas the natives" kind of Churchill.

[yankee87]

33. Should call the election stolen

And just refuse to leave. President immunity.

[onenote]

58. Again, doesn't work that way.

First, since his presidency will have ended by the express terms of the Constitution, he won't have protection for official acts after January 20. Second, even if he couldn't be prosecuted for refusing to leave the white house, he wouldn't be president and wouldn't have lawful authority to act as president. Anything he did could and would be ignored and/or reversed/enjoined by the courts.

So, no, not going to happen.

[people]

81. Not necessarily true

He could declare an emergency under the Insurrection Act and stay a bit longer. Remember Trump telling a Christian group that this is the last election they will have to vote in? What do you think that means?

[onenote]

84. Yes, necessarily true.

First, the Insurrection Act -- like any other act of Congress -- doesn't amend the Constitution. Second, the Insurrection Act gives the "President" the power to do certain things in certain circumstances -- none of those things include staying in office. Once he's not president under the constitution, he's no longer empowered to do anything under the insurrection act. Third, the only person I've ever seen to argue that the insurrection act could be invoked by an outgoing president to stay in office was a whack-job local MAGA candidate in North Carolina named Michele Morrow, who was properly ridiculed when she suggested Trump could stay in office by invoking the insurrection clause. You are the first person, let alone the first democrat, to claim that she actually was onto something. By the way, she was defeated in her local election on Tuesday.

https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/verify/united-states-presidents-insurrection-act-verify/275-be2c7a23-7f6d-4c3b-a7ee-215a4dfc09be

[True Blue American]

34. I keep reading

That Obama and Pelosi are the main leaders who pushed Biden out.
Anyone have an opinion on this? Some one did, who?

[MustLoveBeagles]

62. I knew about Pelosi but not Obama

If true very disappointing.

[Elessar Zappa]

67. Biden made his own decision.

And he would’ve lost worse than Harris. Have you read the reports of what his internal polling was showing right before he got out of the campaign? He was down in Nevada by double digits and losing states like NH, NM, MN, and a few more.

[Ocelot II]

35. Love the guy, but damn, this isn't the time to be so high-minded.

[uponit7771]

36. Love you like a play cousin bruh Obama but this sounds way too soon. There is going to be pain coming

... and we need to have a plan not congratulate the torturer

[BeyondGeography]

37. He's obviously happy to be a figurehead

Time we figured that out and found some new leaders.

[LPBBEAR]

38. I see...

by the growing number of responses I have touched a nerve with a lot of you.

I don't mean to be controversial or abrasive. I believe we have a problem with our leaders and for us to survive we need leaders with much tougher backbones than what we're currently seeing with many of our well meaning but somewhat weak leaders. This should NEVER have happened.

Right after the last election, after January 6, I called into the Thom Hartmann show and asked one of his guests what the Democrats in Congress planned to do to "Trump proof" the Presidency. That guest was either Ro Khanna or Mark Pocan, I can't remember which.

Well here we are 4 years later and apparently nothing was done to "Trump proof" the Presidency because here we are once again about to relive the nightmare from 2016 onward except probably worse this time around.

Trump should NEVER been allowed to run in the first place. Never.

The Republicans should have been forced to float another candidate. Trump should have been in prison and our "leaders" should have done everything in their power to make that happen.

We're basically sitting in a similar position as the German citizens were just prior to Hitler coming to power and World War 2. Some of their "leaders" did try and fight back but many did the go along to get along appeasement thing. Many of them were imprisoned and murdered by Hitler and his goons.

I believe we're likely to end up in civil war at some point if Trump and HIS goons follow through with their plans and threats. It won't matter if you think congratulating him or opposing him will make a difference. It won't. The vindictive POS will come after all of us.

Please.....our leaders, all of us........wake up and start fighting back now before its too late and sites like this and our basic freedom of speech and other freedoms are gone. Congratulating Trump is NOT what we should be doing.

[PortTack]

50. Nailed it!

[Cobalt Violet]

39. His wealth gives him options that some of us simply don't have.

[Self Esteem]

40. You can't treat Trump as a threat to democracy and then normalize his winning.

Democrats look like the party that cried wolf.

"Trump is an existential threat to democracy! He wants to be a dictator and we can't let him win!"

He wins.

"Anyway, I congratulate him and will support him and do everything I can to make the transition as seamless as possible!"

[MustLoveBeagles]

72. This

I love Obama but he's wrong on this. It would've been better to not say anything.

[Botany]

42. I am sure this was very hard for President Obama to do but he did it for the country he loves

N/t

[JI7]

43. How about just saying nothing ?

We don't have to get like them and attack the Capitol . But is there something wrong with saying nothing ?

I get Biden and Harris have to say things becsuse of the position they are in. But others don't have to.

[Wingus Dingus]

76. This. Or just say something like "we expect a peaceful and civil transition, and we will fight on" or

whatever usual nonsense in times like this.

[onecaliberal]

45. This won't be popular but I don't give a fuck.

Weak ass bullshit like this is why we are here.
Yes let’s congratulate a fascist who is going to kill more than the million he killed last time. What the fuck is wrong with you?
We need all new people who will put the fucking butter knife away when we are in a nuclear holocaust and understand just because they’re rich and unaffected millions of us are not.
Fuck this backward bullshit statement.

[Wingus Dingus]

75. You don't feel like kneeling before the Orange Furher and sucking up and begging for mercy?

Me neither.

[BannonsLiver]

89. Oh it's plenty popular

Dunking on Obama is a celebrated DU pastime. Has been for years.

[Cha]

93. TY Yes, I left for 2 years in 2010 because of this SHIT.

[BadgerMom]

49. STOP! telling me to take it and behave!

I will throw a tantrum and revolt if I so choose. God dammit!

[Ferrets are Cool]

51. FUCK THIS

[onenote]

53. I didn't expect to see DUers throwing Obama, Biden and Harris under the bus.

But it seems a lot of folks think they are turncoats for following the normal protocols following an election.

[Zeitghost]

74. It seems like we have quite a few members

Who saw the actions on Jan 6 and thought, 'I wish we could do that when we lose".

How many posts have we seen begging for Biden to lock up a duly elected President elect and deny the election results.

[GenThePerservering]

83. I think "normal" is the problem here

Nothing is "normal".

[czarjak]

54. No.

We don't want to congratulate our oppressor. When they go low...

[valleyrogue]

57. I doubt he feels that way in private.

Remember, he is on Trump's enemies list as is Biden and his family.

[Silent Type]

59. Eating our own ain't gonna help.

[bucolic_frolic]

60. Leaders are popular when they lead where the people point

It's the first rule to get back into relevance.

The GOP Congress will try to 'normalize' Trump. Take off the rough edges. I doubt they will succeed. So they're not leading. This Congress and Administration will be very unpopular.

[ananda]

61. Weak-kneed and nice.

That's all we've gotten from our leaders
since Florida 2000.

[usedtobedemgurl]

64. I hope he is still into forgiveness when

They haul him off and kill him and his family. I fear for any past president. Anyone who ran this time. For Schumer, Pelosi, Warren. For Maddow, Hayes, O’Donnel. And more. He said this was about retribution. I fear for writers and radio personalities, but let‘a all just hold hands and forgive. It used to be hope. Now it is nope.

[live love laugh]

73. Really?

IrishBubbaLiberal (5 posts)
71. Obama is a fool. A wealthy ex-President
Reply to LPBBEAR (Original post)
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:39 AM
Obama is another reason Democrats keeps losing.

Too many DEM Senators for years and years and years went along with
Republicans appointed Supreme Court Justices that should have NEVER been
on the Supreme Court, DEM Senators STARTED THIS GOD DAMN fiasco.

Gore V. Bush

Republicans on Supreme Court appointed their candidate over the voters in 2000.

Democrats like Obama are now enabling this fascist SOB.!!
STOP IT !! BEING NICE TO THE NEW DICTATOR IS MADNESS !!

A rightwing coup has taken place….
A fraudulent Supreme Court and Obama wants to ‘play nice’ to the new dictator

WTF IS WRONG WITH HIM?

[sarisataka]

77. I guess people have updated their

"Greatest President in my Lifetime" lists


I think I am forming an idea of why we had 10M fewer votes...

[FakeNoose]

78. PBO has no need to get on Chump's "enemies" list

Just sayin'

[angrychair]

79. Sadly

This is Obama's one and only glaring fault: his overwhelming need to find the middle ground, even to his own determent.
It is also a glaring example of why we lost this election. Democrats desperately want people that will, unapologetically, stand up for Democratic ideals and principles. To scream them from the mountain tops. We need to never back down. Never soft pedal. Never apologize.
The best example I can give is Pete Buttigieg. We need to be more like him and less like this statement from Obama.

[Hotler]

80. How about lecturing the repugs to put aside their differences and reach out to us. Again, repugs are never asked to give

something up in order to get along, it's always the Dems & LIbs. Just a reminder Berry, you let Bush/Cheney walk.

[stillcool]

82. what do you expect from your

'so-called' leader? EFF this, and Eff that...maybe eat shit and die? Maybe you should take on the role yourself. Be your own 'so- called' leader, and show how its done

[LPBBEAR]

85. Don't put your

definition of what you think I "expect" in my mouth. I think I was already pretty clear on what I "expect".

I expect our leaders to continue to speak the truth about Trump. NOT congratulate him.

And using the old "if you think you're so smart may be you should try doing it" as a debate comeback. Its lame.

[stillcool]

95. I asked what you think should be said?

The lame approach to me is condemnation prior to investigation. Sounds to me like your issue with Obama predates your current disdain for the man. I personally think that words are said for a specific reason, and are discussed and decided upon prior to being said. The fact that Biden and Harris so quietly and definitively put the ball in Trump's court speaks volumes to me. There is more there than I can possibly ascertain, but I can't imagine myself finding fault for the approach they're taking with circumstances unknowable to me. But..I guess that's pretty lame too.

[mathematic]

91. Why would republicans get rid of democracy now? They just won the popular vote.

They shifted major deep blue cities 10-15 points. Republicans are looking at this election and are probably wondering how fast they can make Puerto Rico a state. The democratic coalition collapsed and it is not at all clear how it will be rebuilt. Republicans are loving democracy right now.