If Democrats had to lose to Trump, this is the best way for it to happen

[anglesphere]

1. Because he lost to Biden in 2020, Trump's second administration has only 4 years to do its damage, instead of 8.

2. He is legally required to step down at the end of this second term. If he does have plans to be a dictator, he will have to go full mask off and reveal himself at the end of this term. Then nobody on the right will be able to deny his intentions any longer.

3. JD Vance won't win the presidency if they run him.

Disclaimer: Of course, this doesn't help anyone of us who will immediately suffer under another Trump administration but knowing he is legally obligated by the 22nd Amendment to Constitution to be gone from our lives by the end of this term is cause for at least some positivity.

With every tick of the clock moving forward, Trump moves forward to being gone forever.

[Scrivener7]

1. You're still underestimating what he and his followers are willing to do. Stop doing that.

Nobody on the right is denying his intentions now. They want us to know.

"Legally obligated" has no meaning anymore.

[John1956PA]

4. Also, possibility of a constitutional amendment or convention? n/t

[magicarpet]

32. Nullification of the US Constitution would likely be,...

.... The Tangerine Fuhrer's chosen route to become dictator.

The USSC would likely support this scheme to become Emperor for life.

[Attilatheblond]

41. 'For life' in his case won't be long at all

It's Vance and young SCOTUS justices being seated for decades that worry me.

[cilla4progress]

29. Exactly.

Rule of law is only nice words.

[Prairie Gates]

2. By that logic, it would have been better if he won in 2020 since he'd be almost out of our hair

[anglesphere]

5. I think 8 consecutive years of Trump would have been catastrophic

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The fact the Biden served a term between Trump's terms I think mitigated how much damage Trump's administration was able to inflict as well as their ability to fortify and entrench on some policies.

[Cha]

16. No

[sarisataka]

3. Or...

1. his second legal term only has 4 years regardless of when it was won

2. the two term limit can be changed, and I have to ask- what mask? He literally has already declared he will be a dictator.

3. if we believe that, we have learned nothing

[VMA131Marine]

30. The two-term limit requires a Constitutional Amendment to change it

That requires a 2/3rds vote in both chambers of Congress and approval by 3/4ths of the states. It’s not happening.
The other way would be for 2/3rds of the states to call for a constitutional convention and any amendments adopted would still have to be ratified by 3/4ths of all the states. There are more than enough blue states to stop any changes to presidential term limits.

[Libosaurus]

6. Vance can't win?

We've said the same thing about Trump, right?

[anglesphere]

12. Trump ran on the charisma of a cult leader

Vance is not Trump and has no charisma.

[madinmaryland]

39. Vance has the charisma of a "used" couch.

[groundloop]

24. I distinctly remember hearing A LOT of people in 2016 claim that "tRump CAN'T win"

I don't discount anything anymore. Between the rightward tilt of the electoral college, right wing media bias, Russian interference, help from social media platforms, big money donors, Citizens United, the tRump Supreme Court, etc. etc. etc. ......

[uponit7771]

27. Vance will never have the TFGs cult following

[Polybius]

7. "JD Vance won't win the presidency if they run him"

There's no way for us to know that now. I thought Trump would lose on Tuesday.

[tgraf66]

8. Oh, you sweet summer child...

1 & 2. He's already gone full mask off, remember? He told us repeatedly that he would be a dictator on day one, and the Supreme Court gave him immunity. Do you think he cares what the law or the Constitution says?

3. Once P2025 goes into full effect (less than six months, I'll wager), the Orange One will no longer be of any use to the real powers behind the presidency, Peter Thiel and Elon Musk, among others. Once he's no longer of any use, he'll either have a "health emergency" or be declared mentally unfit for the job via the 25th Amendment, and poof, JD Vance is president, no election required.

[Ursus Rex]

10. They would love to, but the 25th isn't just something you can declare like "shenanigans!"

It requires the majority of the Cabinet to initiate and 2/3 of the House to implement. TSF will fill his cabinet with loyalists and the House is still not THAT Republican.

[Quixote1818]

21. Yeah, if they 25th amendment Trump the base will fucking go NUTS!!!!! And it would cost the GOP for at least

one election cycle.

[Whiskeytide]

22. So ... how do you think Democratic House members might vote ...

… on a 25A removal of Тяцмp? To keep him? All of them?

And as for the cabinet, a “Тяцмp loyalist” - almost by definition - is pretty much for sale to the highest bidder. That majority can be bought.

I have believed since he was added to the ticket that the eventual goal was to get Vance in the seat. Somehow. I hope I’m wrong, I guess. I don’t know. Hard to suss out what’s best for democracy right now.

[jalan48]

9. You're assuming we'll go back to normal elections after 4 years.

Trump and Project 2025 are going to erase normal. Thousands of civil servants are going to be fired and replaced by Magats. Political dissidents (those who disagree with Trump or his billionaire backers) will be silenced or jailed to ensure silence. This is an Orban like takeover of our country, we're not going back.

[Ursus Rex]

11. This is the scenario that really keeps me nervous.

But I'm not giving up so early.

[jalan48]

13. I'm not giving up, I just think some folks are in denial about what we are up against.

Waiting until the next election to vote him out is unrealistic in my view. Trump's told us what he's going to do. Wishing it will be different and he won't do what he promised is denial IMHO.

[DUMember24]

15. Sorry but...

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Power isn't bestowed. It is relinquished by those who acquiesce to others. Yes, there may be challenges or even harsh new rules, but we are the guardrails for what we allow in our space. That requires being well informed and strategic, and not cowering. Much of this is not about power as much as it is complacency and normalizing and accepting of what everyone knew to be abnormal. MSM empowered him by being complicent and not checking and calling out lies.

[jalan48]

17. Obama has pretty much set the tone for acquiescence and where Democrats are headed.

What you said sounds good but how exactly will we be standing up to Trump?

[DUMember24]

23. Again, as many keep saying, we have to stop blaming people

Mr. Obama did no such thing. His statement, as well as that of other former Presidents and leaders of the nation was made out of DIPLOMACY. He spoke on behalf of a NATION as it's former leader, respecting the process of power transition. Every past President was respectful enough to do it except 45. If a president can only show common decency for those who support his beliefs, he should never run for office. We must remember what Ms Harris said, "I will fight for you even if you don't vote for me." Echoing President Biden's stance that you can't call yourself an American only when your side wins."

It is not about "standing up to" anyone, as much as it is about continuing to stand AGAINST their ideologies and standing up for YOURSELF.

Yes, I hate how this turned out, but I won't jump to conclusions, and blame and more "eye for an eye" is unhelpful. There *has* to be more involved than what we are privy to at the moment...for how things were called, numbers dont add up and the math just ain't math-ing. And the msm is fooling us once again by swooning over a deceitful liar and lies about what happened with the voting. Just continue to think for yourself and dont be a sponge. This ain't on Obama...he simply did what a former President is supposed to do and always has done by tradition. This is on the media...both wings.

[jalan48]

31. I'm just being realistic about what we are facing. Read up about Hungary's Orban and you'll understand.

I'm not blaming anybody, but maybe after Trump pardons the hundreds of violent coup participants ( you do agree it was a coup attempt don't you?), we can have a sit down with them and see where we can find common ground.

[DUMember24]

34. No thank you to

"we can have a sit down with them and see where we can find common ground."

I'll just stop at us not blaming each other. I don't have any common ground with things that call themselves garbage, dress up in trashbags at rallys, and climb on buildings like animals, and deficate on desks. That was worse than a coup...Animals don't even do that. But I hear what you're saying, and respect your views. Just try to be positive. I know it doesnt help much but let's try to all regroup as best we can.

[jalan48]

36. I agree about regrouping. My guess is that it will need to start at the local level.

[bamagal62]

14. This whole situation

Is completely terrifying. I could move overseas somewhere. But, my children are here. I worry for them.

[DUMember24]

20. When a leader

ruler, president, boss, manager, parent, spouse, or even spiritual or cult leader has to incite fear, for control, they are already powerless, but yet they are managing to still win. There is a reason you are not part of the cult while others are: the INability to be controlled and your ability to not follow someone blindly with a "monkey see, monkey do" mentality. Fox / Newsmax /Truth Social viewers should be pitied...they lack the judgement to think for themselves. Use those inner strengths to your advantage in the days ahead...for you, for your children.

[LAS14]

18. Why won't Vance win the same way Trump won? nt

[anglesphere]

19. Vance would be like running Mitt Romney but worse

He doesn't generate the spectacle that Trump generates and which draws in supporters.

[GenThePerservering]

25. He has all the charisma

of three-day-old fish. He's plain weird, he hates kids (which comes across whether he likes it or not) and he's limp wristed.

[madinmaryland]

40. He has the charisma of a used couch.

[CATagious]

26. Probably would have been better if he beat Biden..

And least the nightmare could be over. Trump would have put us in a recession or at least the high inflation would have pinned on him. Democrats have to clean up the mess every 4 to 8 years without getting the credit for doing so.

[anglesphere]

33. I'd rather have it over now too as long as democracy would still be intact

But here we are. Republican's have a choice to make now. They either come out for dictatorship or lose in 2028.

[cilla4progress]

28. He will have the law changed

preventing a second term.

Prez for life like his role model.

[LisaL]

35. I don't think he is planning on leaving, or us having an election.

But I don't think he will last that long, he is not in good health.

[ForgedCrank]

37. One thing

I can raise my glass to is the day when I never have to hear his name again. I am SO looking forward to that.

[anglesphere]

43. I hear ya

To monopolize the country's attention in the manner and degree Trump has is exhausting and shameful.

[HereForTheParty]

38. Ironically, it may have helped preserve democracy

If Trump lost, he and half the country would be screaming "rigged again". There would be the potential for another January 6. It would further embed it into the right.

Now, 2024 isn't questioned, Trump can't run in 2028, and others aren't as prone to diving headlong into that in another four years.

[John2028]

42. Trump

I would say i wish trump has a heart attack but then jd vance would replace him and hes not much better.