I have read several articles that say men overwhelmingly voted for TSF.

[pandr32]

Sure. Generally speaking nothing scares men more than the thought of losing their power and privilege.

Men are not protecting women, they are protecting themselves.

Across religions, borders, economic, social, and cultural classes, patriarchy is shared.

Christian Nationalists want to impose ‘Christian’ values throughout our public and private institutions, but do not follow the Gospels’ stories of Jesus. So, what are the Christian principles they want to indoctrinate our children with? Certainly not the Ten Commandments because they appear in some form as rather basic rules within most religions or no religion at all.

It is patriarchy.

Christian Nationalism is all about patriarchy—power and privilege is baked in.

Men will tolerate their differences with each other to protect and replicate patriarchy.

There are exceptions, of course, but not enough to break the diamond-hard foundation it is built on.

[Lovie777]

1. No.................

[obamanut2012]

4. Yes

[LiberalLoner]

2. You are exactly right, sadly.

[homegirl]

50. Have to add...

they voted for Trump in an effort to keep those "uppity women" in their place.

The inadequate males dream woman:

Holds down a good paying job, turns her paycheck over to him, and still does all the cooking, cleaning, child care and is as "hot" as He11....

AND VOTES AS HE DIRECTS!

[StarryNite]

3. Exactly

[ariadne0614]

5. It's called the Master Narrative for a reason.

The pathetic part is, they are oblivious to the fact that it traps them in a tiny “man box” wherein they must sacrifice a big chunk of their humanity and individuality to fit within its constraints. The constant pressure to prove their manhood to other men must be exhausting. It’s interesting that women aren’t under the same pressure to prove we are “real women.”

[pandr32]

10. Interesting.

I agree with you--men do sacrifice the potential to be a human being without the box mold.
The problem, though, is that women sacrifice more.

[ariadne0614]

38. Yes, the man box hurts everyone.

I’m just saying that too many men are still under the delusion that the box is a fine place to be. On the bright side, millions of men broke out of the box to vote for a black woman, and the number will keep growing.

[electric_blue68]

59. Yes, I remember Gloria Steinman, and some other Feminists talking about This....

as you put it... "man box". Trapping them in a set of limiting life parameters.

I wouldn't exactly say we women don't have the equivalent.

While greatly diminished in some families, and resulting in a more variable lives in some parts of the country, the culture etc;
think of the fact of women, child bearing, and choice.
You're not a "real woman" if you don't have, or even want kids.That's why the "childless catlady" is flung about! It's supposed to verbally, emotionally sting!

I absolutely respect good mothers (and fathers) All thanks to them! It's not what I wanted. Why should I be considered "less than"?

Think of those who think women shouldn't go to college, have X job, or even vote!

[Dem4life1234]

6. Some men love being betas to alpha males

Some males are just not raised right.

I would feel a failure as a mother if my son came out incel and misogynistic.

[pandr32]

11. I raised a wonderful son.

He works with the most vulnerable in society. Lots of heart wrenching stuff. He also sits on the board of The Housing Consortium in King County, so he works both ends of the problem.
I am proud of him, and he knows he has privilege. It is a driving motivater to help others.

[Blue Dawn]

55. I would feel a failure, too.

My son and I had a fairly long text conversation last night about how much he despises Trump and how he can't believe that anyone voted for him.

I am very proud of him.

[GemDigger]

7. I know several men who vote democrat but

they are also very domineering to their wives. It would not surprise me if they voted for productive rights but not for a woman president.

[whathehell]

41. "Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left"

Katha Pollitt, The Nation.

[multigraincracker]

8. It's all gray.

There is no black and white.
Too much testosterone can be deadly, but even females produce it and have it.

[pandr32]

9. It's not about hormones.

I am female and have a twin brother. Patriarchy was established immediately. My father, grandfather, and uncle all posed with the little blue bundle--the firstborn male in my generation.
I was actually born first, grew taller, and was way better in school. My teachers wanted me to skip a grade, but my parents said no. They worried it would be hard on my brother. I brought my report cards home to little fanfare. My mom said I needed to help my brother more.
He grew up not even noticing his privilege.
Patriarchy is an overarching system we all live within.

[multigraincracker]

16. There are,also cultural factors. Not just hormonal ones.

Some women are attracted to “bad boys”. Others are not, but to say all or most can be a form of sexual bigotry.
Never judge a book by the cover. We don’t need a battle of the sexes here. Go slow with relationships, there no hurry.
I’m a male and a Feminist. Also a Straight against hate. My motto is be nice.

[surfered]

12. Conservatives used to praise Margaret Thatcher.

[pandr32]

19. I did say there are exceptions.

She really wasn't a very threatening woman, though. She belonged to the men's club.

[surfered]

47. It was not a criticism. I meant only that American Conservatives praised her and held her up as an example.

They still may not have voted for woman in America.

[BumRushDaShow]

43. In Parliamentary systems, the PM is selcted by the party/coalition

not the individual voters like here (aside from the Electoral College nonsense)

I.e., Thatcher was "appointed" NOT "elected".

Alternately, you also had the one who didn't outlast the lettuce -

[surfered]

46. Correct. Actually a more accountable system. One party owns the results. The party out of power can't obstruct.

[Cobalt Violet]

13. women need to stop giving birth to males.

They don't respect us.

[pandr32]

22. That would solve the population problem.

Seriously, we need to raise better boys. It can't happen without changing the messages they pick up from day 1.

[Hope22]

33. Oh nooo...I have a new grand baby boy coming in a couple of months!!!! First and only!

This has certainly been a nightmare of a time! My daughter in law just texted me after the election results and said that she had to say she is relieved to not be having a girl at this time! The baby will be three in four years and we would still have a rapist in chief in the WH. After we gave a little sigh about having to think of these things we both decided that between all of us we can get him on the right track!😁🤣💙💙🙏🏼 When my son was three he was big on asking his dad if he could do thus and such and my husband would always say it was fine with him but that my son would have to ask mommy first. This must have gone on more often than I realized because one day I was gently vetoing some cockamamie request and the kiddo threw himself on the floor asking,’ Why do the women’s have all of the power???’ 🤣😂🤣 Poor kid figured that out wayyy too early. I did feel a little bit sorry for him but hey ya gotta learn sometime. But now our world is different with all of the quiet parts being said out loud in this country and we will have to continue to speak out no matter how painful that is. Stay safe and love hard! 💗💗

[pandr32]

57. Congratulations!

You guys can raise this new boy well.

[Hope22]

68. Thank you.

My heart beats crazy for my daughter in law’s safety but we will get through it. 😁🙏🏼

[oldmanlynn]

14. I disagree. Way to broad of a generalization

[happy feet]

15. Edit to read

‘White and Latino’ men…not black, Asian and native men.

White men always vote Repub. I blame this on white women who voted 52 or 54% for TFG despite him bragging about overturning Roe vs Wade.

[pandr32]

23. Many women were right beside their husbands

...when they voted. Lots of stories about others noticing that.

[Zeitghost]

61. My wife and I always vote together

Is that some sort of problem? I'm not sure why it would be worth noting that two people who live together and who are going to the same place would go together. Seems odd.

[pandr32]

66. I was referring to the privacy issue.

Women tempted to vote for their own rights faced scrutiny from husbands not wanting them to. In an abusive relationship she wouldn't want to trigger him.
Often the privacy between booths is easy to see over .

[BlueSky3]

37. I just read in

the New Yorker that 46% of women voted for Trump this time.

[happy feet]

81. Yes,

due to women of color overwhelmingly rejecting Trump. Again, the majority of White women who are about 37% of voters voted for Trump along with white men who are about 37% of voters voting for Trump.

Women of color are too small alone. White men and women are the majority of voters and as they swing so does the election along with those 15M who sat out the election.

[whathehell]

56. Let me get this straight: You blame white women

for the fact that, in your view, "White men always vote Republican"?
Forgive me, but how does that make sense?..How are women of any race responsible for how men vote?

The latest exit polls indicate that overall, white men voted for Trump by 60% compared to 53% of white women....A Majority of white college educated women did vote for Kamala against Trump, 57% to 41%, That's in comparison to the Majority of college educated white men who voted for Trump at 50%, and Kamala at only 47 %.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

17. Isn't patriarchy unique to the USA?

Almost every other great nation I can think of had women rule successfully. It just makes us look so backwards that the men here have to be corrupt to hold on to their power.

[pandr32]

28. Some other nations are dealing with it.

Thankfully. It takes a while to make such a change. Scandinavian countries come to mind.
These nations aren't as religious though.

[whathehell]

62. No, the definition of patriarchy goes beyond

occasionally placing a woman a seat of power.
Patriarchy exists across the globe. Just because a few women in other countries have had women rulers, doesn't mean their countries are lacking in misogyny or a patriarchal structure.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

64. Then what makes us unique?

I hold fast to the backwards nature of the so-called Christian Right. They are punitive going back to the Salem Witch trials. At least Massachusetts seems to have totally abandoned their misogyny.

[whathehell]

65. Many things, I would guess...

You could ask the same regarding universally Healthcare. Aside from that, you must realize that female leaders across the world are still a decided minority

[SleeplessinSoCal]

67. Maybe the same instinct that causes misogynistic policy,

also prefers a completely amoral and vile criminal over a strong woman. I think it's perverse. And I'm ashamed of us.

[onecaliberal]

18. I have posted fuck the patriarchy on this site many times over the years. The statement is not popular here.

I hope women are paying attention to what is happening to them and who is orchestrating it. Entirely too many are just as stupid as their male counterparts. If I were a young woman there is zero chance I would marry a male, since I am not attracted to women I wouldn't get married or have children.

[pandr32]

29. There are good men.

[onecaliberal]

30. Indeed. I married one, and gave birth to two more. The problem is the overwhelming majority are not good.

[pandr32]

52. Media consumption is a problem.

Even the best efforts of parents can be undone by outside influences.
I am glad to hear of your success. May your kids treat others well and find happiness.

[onecaliberal]

60. I have a daughter that married into a "Christian" family:

She cut us off. So not batting 1000%. I’m sure she voted for the child rapist.

[lame54]

20. They're not protecting themselves...

They'll feel the same economic pain
They have no seat at the table

[pandr32]

31. We all will.

I am truly worried about what this means to the whole world.

[PortTack]

21. 60% of Latino men voted for tsf ...18% white. The number of African American men was very small

[TheProle]

26. AA Men

Trump’s share of Black voters rose slightly, driven largely by younger men

Trump was able to make slight inroads with Black voters nationally, who made up about 1 in 10 voters across the country.

Nationally, about 8 in 10 Black voters supported Harris. But, that was down from about 9 in 10 in the last presidential election who went for Biden.

Trump about doubled his share of young Black men – which helped him among key Democratic voting group. About 3 in 10 Black men under the age of 45 went for Trump, roughly double the number he got in 2020.

https://apnews.com/article/election-harris-trump-women-latinos-black-voters-0f3fbda3362f3dcfe41aa6b858f22d12

[MangoMoose]

42. LATINOS

latino from PA yesterday said LATINO MEN WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A WOMAN. That was the answer when asked how the democrats could get Latinos back. Tyhese were all people who voted for Biden.

[dawg]

44. So, who is president of Mexico these days anyway?

Is abortion legal there?

Is same sex marriage?

[TheProle]

24. ...

[CrispyQ]

36. Too many women in both age groups voted for the orange piece of garbage.

[TheProle]

39. Too many everyone did.

[Skittles]

25. by default, men think they are superior

all evidence to the contrary

[bucolic_frolic]

27. Even incels believe they can get a girl if they just vote for Trump.

[CrispyQ]

32. "Your body, my choice" is supposedly trending on twitter among men.

Nick Fuentes supposedly tweeted it but I don't know how to verify if the acct is real. There are stories on FB that boys are taunting & harassing girls at school with the same words. IDK if that's true but it will be soon with it out there. It's open season on women but especially girls who are much more vulnerable. I am just sick. Sick & so goddamned pissed off.

[pandr32]

72. So horrible.

[IbogaProject]

34. Low turnout and/or fraud did this

On top of biases. And those bomb threats at precints that lean our way in GA & PA are very troubling and suggest tampering.

[johnnyfins]

48. It was fraud

The low turnout makes ZERO sense.

Think about it:

Millions of people who voted TSF out in 2020 decided to stay he when he ran again.

BULLSHIT!

[johnnyfins]

49. And 2020 was woth Roe still in place

Pro choice Polling is at 70%

Turnout my ass. TSF knew the fix was in when he brought Musk in.

[Magoo48]

35. Undoubtedly.

Untold millions of us are testosterone driven, sexually repressed, willfully ignorant monkeys with guns. (My apologies to monkeys worldwide)
I’m 76 years old, and I still get the urge, (from time to time) to hang from the trees naked while a train passes by.

[Xavier Breath]

54. I would advise you not even wait for a train.

[Magoo48]

69. Ohh, sounds good. Really, you mean you don't have to wait for the train?

[pandr32]

74. That would be quite a sight!

[NNadir]

40. Of all the men o know, there's only one who voted for Trump.

He's an immigrant from India.

[forthemiddle]

45. I don't believe the misogyny argument

Let’s face it, some of the most conservative States have female Governors. Arkansas, South Dakota, Alabama, etc.
Turn the question around. If the Republican candidate had been Niki Haley, would you have voted for her? Of course not!
Would you have been a misogynist? Of course not!
I think the abortion question (Roe, Roe, Roe your Vote) didn’t work as well as we hoped because it is being left up to the States and many women split their vote. In many places with referendums they were able to vote on both of their top priorities, abortion and economy without, unfortunately, having to vote for VP Harris.
I don’t know what we should have done differently, but I also don’t think misogyny was the main problem.

[valleyrogue]

71. You haven't been paying attention. MRAs are numerous.

These men will NEVER elect a woman president. NEVER.

[pandr32]

73. Patriarchy and misogyny have different definitions.

[brush]

51. This is not entirely true. Otherwise we wouldn't have the many DUer males here.

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Something smells with these vote numbers. Hope a brilliant investigative reporter like Greg Palast gets on the case as we should know that if lying trump and rethugs are breathing, they're cheating.

[pandr32]

75. Thankfully, there are good men.

While patriarchal systems socialize boys, so can parents who believe in equality and democracy.

[charliea]

53. Timid men!

Last time he was elected, the day after a corporate restructuring eliminated my old job, I expected to be soothed by a Hillary win. I puked over the railing on our deck when it was called. His 4 years proved my reaction was justified, especially because of the sociopath, drunk, and handmaiden he appointed to Scotus.
Now I'm retired and I discovered that it wasn't employment anxiety that caused that, since I did it again. I live in Oregon and we stayed blue but I'm not fully recovered, and doubt I ever will, as my opinion of my fellow citizens has taken a hit, but I've got grand kids so back to fight:

Looking forward it's time for betting ideas:

Will he make it to inauguration?
How long before Vance pushes a 25th amendment?
Will "the healthiest president ever" actually survive 4 years?
When will he attempt to change the Constitution and allow him to
be president for life?
How long before he gives Ukraine to Putin?
Will he allow Netanyahu to annex Gaza after a genocide?
Will he nuke a hurricane next year? (might need odds)
Will he get Mexico to pay for the next 2000 miles of wall?
Will he start talking about a wall to Canada?
When will Alito and Thomas resign, to be replaced by younger more extreme jurists?

These are just a few of the horrific betting opportunities on the horizon.
I've imagined these and a bunch more.

[Attilatheblond]

58. I don't see Thiel waiting for the time it would take to 25th the demente imbicil. Trump doesn't like working so...

Once he gets to punish people, I could see him resigning. But something else might take him down sooner, he isn't healthy and there are other considerations.

Vance probably has his tie picked out for when he is sworn in as POTUS.

[TheFarseer]

63. How does this thinking help?

I’m tired of people making excuses why we can’t win and not looking inward at what could have been done better. Like someone already said, Hillary won the popular vote and Obama won two terms. A lot of things went wrong. Some of it was Kamala’s fault and some of it wasn’t. If you look objectively, you can find lots of things that could have been done better. But we first have to get past blaming other people- especially the voters!

[pandr32]

76. Kamala Harris ran a superb campaign.

Hillary Clinton was more than qualified for top office.
We can't quit.

[valleyrogue]

70. I don't like the term, "Christian nationalists."

What they REALLY are are Christian Reconstructionists, and they are scary as all get-go. They are followers of the crackpot R.J. Rushdoony (1916-2000), who was somebody who couched his fascist, John Birch Society notions in religious garb and has been wildly successful and influential, much to the detriment of Christianity as a whole.

These people want to completely revamp our society and make Old Testament law apply to a modern, secular society. Real theologians consider the movement heresy, but that hasn't stopped these crackpots. They want the death penalty for all kinds of things: adulterers, LGBTQ and the rest, even children who are "incorrigible." By the time they would get done with all the executions, there literally wouldn't be anybody left. Oh, and they also want a return to slavery. House Speaker Mike Johnson is one of these CRs.

In these crackpots' minds, they think if they can force theocracy on a secular society and all societies all over the world, that somehow Jesus will return. It doesn't dawn on them that they are completely wrong.

However, it is really the fascism they want. Enslaving women is central to it. They are big on "homeschooling" not because of the kids but because it is a way to force women into the home.

[pandr32]

77. Your subject line brings up a point my post made.

Christian Nationalism doesn't contain any Christ.
It is Old Testament baloney stuff.

[valleyrogue]

78. The "Christian" in it is a hook for the gullible.

It is simply fascism wrapped in religious trappings.

[Miami Blue]

79. Hopefully, they will be willing to go to TraitorTrump's wars.

Hush 🤫
There are rumors that Psycho TraitorTrump and
his toadies in the new Republican Congress are
already getting ready to pass the draft Act aka
Obligatory Military Service.
(The US Armed Forces are struggling to recruit
young Americans because they don't wish to enlist.)
The President and Congress are the only ones
having the authority to reinstate the Draft.
To deploy to wars all eligible young Americans
of 18 to 25.
So if you have kids, (boys and girls) now they will
have to report to duty under an immoral Psycho like TraitorTrump aka the king of bone spurs.

[pandr32]

80. How horrible!

I sure hope it doesn't happen.