We got our asses kicked and all I see are excuses.

[Libosaurus]

Many of the posts here are simply regurgitating accusations made before the election. WE LOST VOTES THAT WERE RELIABLY DEMOCRATIC! We need to figure out why and adjust, not just continue with the sophmoric name-calling. That tactic is something only used when one can't make a cogent argument.

Where is the introspection? Do you expect the electorate to vote according to the views held my most posters here? Like it or not, we can't expect that to happen. Joe called much of the electorate "garbage" right before the election. That wasn't helpful. He said the quiet part out loud, but Harris was campaigning to be President of all Americans.

Also, stop with the 'Misogyny!!!, the 'Russia!!!, etc. Why didn't Russia intervene when Joe won? Use common sense.

Our party must adjust to meet the desires of the electorate. To do otherwise would be party suicide.

Just my opinion.

[Coventina]

1. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay.

[Libosaurus]

4. Thank you.

One must be honest with oneself, right?

[malaise]

28. Indeed

😀

[Spazito]

109. They are dead now...

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=375811

[intheflow]

126. .

[TwilightZone]

2. There's been a lot of introspection and discussion about possible causes.

If you're not seeing it, you're not looking very hard.

[LizBeth]

3. You are wrong but not gonna argue with you on it. And who are you to tell everyone what to do, think, say.

[Libosaurus]

11. I added "just my opinion"...

Can one not have hard discussions here?

[ProfessorGAC]

89. A "Hard Discussion "?

Your post does not suggest a discussion at all.
It's a pedantic lecture with the POV of "the only smart one in the room".
The outcome is under 48 hours old & you aren't letting people be disappointed.
Not even close to having a "hard discussion".

[DinahMoeHum]

5. Your "concern" is noted.

[LuckyCharms]

6. Wut

[Quiet Em]

7. "stop with the Misogyny"

No. It played a role whether you wish to acknowledge that or not.

[Dem4life1234]

33. Yes it did

Next time Dems should run a straight middle aged white male from a rust belt background because we know this country is full of dumbasses.

[La Coliniere]

119. Misogyny was

a huge part. Not one of my relatives who were in the military, and a few of them I consider quite liberal in most regards, would vote for Harris, even after they voted for Obama and Biden: “We don’t want her in charge of our military”. They didn’t vote for Hillary. Misogyny runs deep in this country.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Occam's Razor

We lost because some people thought eggs cost too much.

[Kaleva]

43. Yes

[Zambero]

78. Which reduced their egg consumption

Which in turn lowered their cholesterol. And extended their lifespans. So that they will have many more years in which to lament the high cost of eggs!

[WhiteTara]

117. I talked to some kid who thought because tsf signed

the stimulus checks it was his idea and he helped people get lots of money during the pandemic. When I told him, that came through the Democratic Congress, who looked like a deer in the headlights. His last comment was, "Nobody is perfect." I laughed in his face and left the convenience store.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Occam's Razor

We lost because some people thought eggs cost too much.

[Xavier Breath]

112. And bacon. Sweet Jebus, don't forget the price of bacon.

[blm]

10. Joe was referring to the Trump-supporter/comedian as the only garbage

he saw. RightWing lie machine spun it into an attack on ALL Trump supporters - just like you did here.

[Pisces]

14. It wasn't spun. Joe misspoke and we couldn't even admit it!

We are our own worst enemy. Playing the recording showed what he said!!!

[blm]

22. It was apparent what he meant.

Sorry you chose to believe the spin.

[Pisces]

46. I know what he meant, it isn't me whose holding it against him!!

[Lulu KC]

26. I saw plenty of people admit it

He had a gaffe. Not newsworthy on our end. Blown out of proportion elsewhere.

[TwilightZone]

31. He issued a clarification.

There's also such a thing as context. He was responding to a question specifically about the comments made at the MSG rally, not about Trump supporters in general.

Yes, he clearly misspoke, but ignoring the context of the remarks is a bit disingenuous.

[Keepthesoulalive]

44. How can you worry about Joe's gaff

Did you hear what was said at Madison Square Garden.
On the campaign trail by trump and his traveling dummies.
No one is going to be perfect, politicians will make mistakes.
But the nonsense that came from republicans is on another level. Turn your anger and pain back to trump and the republicans and stop hand wringing over gaffes.

[Pisces]

49. It isn't anyone on this board that is worried or concerned about his gaffe.

People voting for Trump ran with it, like the deplorable comment!! What are we arguing about!! It’s the people on our side who voted for him that don’t frequent DU!!

[Keepthesoulalive]

67. That didn't change any minds

They were going to vote for him anyway. Stop trying to find a logical reason for their voting for fascist
Felon.

[Pisces]

68. True, there is no logic

[womanofthehills]

36. Except Joe said Trump supporters -

He didn’t say comedian. Republicans ran on it & many went to vote wearing garbage bags.

[yardwork]

53. Welcome back. /nt

[blm]

66. Trump supporter's

[JI7]

101. But why would Joe saying that result in someone voting Trump over Harris ?

And why would they be ok with Trump the actual candidate calling people that and much worse ?

[Sparkly]

116. Oh, boo hoo.

[Elessar Zappa]

12. I'm not blaming Russia but

I certainly think misogyny played a part in it. And how do suggest we adjust? Throw trans people under the bus? Immigrants?

[Libosaurus]

19. Why would you do that?

Why would you ask me such silly questions? You are deflecting from the intent of my post.

I want our party to win, that's all.

[Elessar Zappa]

23. I'm asking because you said we need to adjust to the electorate.

I’m asking, in what way? Seriously. What can we do to appeal to the people who voted Trump? Maybe focus more on healthcare and social security is my only guess.

[Libosaurus]

35. We need to do a 4-year study of voter preferences.

And adjust accordingly. Not as much as you might think though. We just need to drop the irrelevant, non-productive accusations that didn't work and focus on policy.

[Quiet Em]

38. Harris focused on policy. Economic policy.

Trump focused on name calling, bigotry and cruelty.

[Libosaurus]

42. My post is about the Democratic Party.

Not Trump.

[Quiet Em]

51. what are your suggestions for countering

bigotry and cruelty?

[Libosaurus]

54. ????

By not being bigoted and cruel?

[intheflow]

64. Your post is wagging a finger at Democrats seemingly

without the context of Trump running on NO POLICY, hatred, and violence, and the fact that half the country is just fine with racism and misogyny. "Stop with the misogyny!" is about as tone-deaf as you can get, and basically tells the women here that we are hysterical and need to not worry our little heads about the fact that Republicans want full access to all our vaginas, menstrual cycles, they want to curb our right to interstate travel (which will extend to out-of-country travel once the Federal abortion ban gets passed).

[Libosaurus]

70. My post isn't about Trump or the Republicans.

My post is about the Democratic Party.

[Libosaurus]

76. Why have our male candidates lost their elections?

Policy matters.

[intheflow]

79. We have policy.

Trump has a "concept of a plan." What bullshit are you actually spinning here?

[Libosaurus]

85. Why are so many people responding with ''but Trump!!!?'

I'm talking about Democrats about the Democratic Party.

[intheflow]

90. And you're saying we didn't talk about policy.

That's bullshit. And especially bullshitty compared to what Trump was offering. You telling Democrats to stop talking about misogyny and racism is meaningless outside the context of Trump's campaign, which ran entirely on racism and misogyny. He ran with worse invectives, outright lies, and zero policies, and won. Your "point" is nonsense.

[Libosaurus]

91. My post did not mention "Trump."

You added that.

[intheflow]

93. No, your post trashed key Democratic values

like fighting misogyny and racism. Ergo, you didn't need to mention Trump because you're championing his worldview.

[intheflow]

107. Riiiiight.

"Stop the MISOGYNY!!!!" We will not win if we trash our core values. What is wrong with you?

[happy feet]

106. Because, I don't

Believe Dems are to blame. The blame goes to those who believe Trump and the useless MSM promises of fixing inflation, when it’s from 9% - 2% now die to Biden/Fed policy, that tariffs will increase, not decrease prices…I’m too tired to go on. Accept that this is who America is. I have lots of ideas for what needs to be fixed including some Dem direction but it’ll be a long term fix and we are here because majority of Americans thought it absolutely ok to vote for a convicted felon who hates the same people they hate (including themselves since he only cared about billionaires) blinded by not voting for a woman and woman of color who tells the truth.

[hatrack]

61. WTI, Clown

.

[Libosaurus]

37. We need to do deep analysis of the all of the voters wants.

And adjust accordingly. Not as much as you might think though. We just need to drop the irrelevant, non-productive accusations that didn't work and focus on policy.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

62. in bold

I’m asking, in what way? Seriously. What can we do to appeal to the people who voted Trump? Maybe focus more on healthcare and social security is my only guess.

And paid leave for both parents

[MineralMan]

13. Oh good. A no poster with an opinion.

I'd wish you luck but there's so little time.

[Emile]

15. We lost because Predatory Capitalism jacked up prices

and caused Worldwide Inflation. Republican propaganda wrongly blamed the Democrats for the inflation and voters stayed home.

[Attilatheblond]

18. Yep, and thank you. Sometimes I wonder if I just dreamed the whole global inflation + incredible corporate profits thing

All part of the plan: hurt people then blame the democratic governments WORLDWIDE. The mega capitalists won't be happy until there are no nations, only rich guys playing war lord hunger games.

[TheFarseer]

120. And most people never saw

That inflation is/was actually worse in most other countries. Either they were not taking on price gouging the last few years or it was not communicated. Gas is actually down but you would swear it was sky high by what you see on TV.

Dems did more than anyone in our history to lower drug prices and it was not communicated that Republicans were blocking more progress. Private Equity etc is buying up housing, farm land and medical facilities and Dems have not communicated any plan to stop it. Even Republicans have said they want to stop the Chinese from buying up these things. So even if that is just China bashing, they appear to be more populist than us on that issue!

Have you seen any plan to take on crime? People don’t want to hear stats when it is affecting their lives. I’m not even clear on if the border is a problem but people want something done and there was no plan for 3 years. It’s a mixed bag of questionable policies and horrible communication. Sorry if this is considered bashing our own party but I think now is the time for hard truths.

[Vinca]

16. The problem was not the candidate or her campaign, it was uninformed voters.

Some of them actually think Trump will protect abortion rights. They're mired in the misinformation and garbage spewed by right wing sites, conspiracy theorists and influencers. As for Russia, the FBI reported they interfered. Somehow, I doubt your reference to "our" party is genuine.

[Libosaurus]

21. Our candidate was awesome.

I also think she ran an awesome campaign.

But we lost. That is the issue.

[onecaliberal]

17. Not only is half the electorate garbage they are breathtakingly stupid.

[Dem4life1234]

20. Isn't orange thug president to all Americans?

Why do Dems have to play the angels and be damn near perfect while their scalawag asses can be nasty pricks?

Why?

He didn't gain any voters, he lost millions of those MAGAts. So the Biden garbage comment is moot.

We lost because we either lost Biden's 2020 voters or some shenanigans are at play...voter suppression. Why so many bomb threats fucking up voting lines in blue areas? Has anybody bothered to investigate that?

Sidenote: it's not just us who lost, the country lost, the world lost. We are fucked.

[Initech]

32. Yup. Say hello to supreme overlord of earth, Vladimir Putin.

[JCMach1]

24. Respectfully,.this is a pretty much a garbage post

I have seen a lot of introspection here.

To not understand the role that racism.and misogyny played is whistling past the graveyard.

We also need to understand how modern media microtargeting and gaming the algorithms of social media led to activating that misogyny,.racism.and other targeted issues.

[msongs]

25. joe did not call the electorate garbage. that's just trumpian misinformation nt

[Jit423]

29. Who said Russia didn't intervene when Joe won?

We voted then in a way that could have neutered outside attempts at interfering. And there were reports of Russian and China trying to interfere. And, according to the numbers and reports of why people voted they way they did, the only adjustments Democrats need to make to meet the demands of the "electorate" is to eliminate taxes for the wealthy and deport All immigrants who have come there in the last 20 years. And that is not hyperbole either.

[marybourg]

30. My explanation is your "excuse".

[Hope22]

34. Time out!

Too soon!

[CRB]

39. We got our asses kick and all I see is excuses

Yes we did, but should we adjust to the racism, sexism of the country. The election was lost because Americans will not vote for a woman especially a black one. The majority of the religious groups do not support the idea of a woman leader. Religion teaches the man is the head. I was hoping that we were beyond that but we are not. This country only want a white man to lead it. So is that what you want us to adjust to the desires of the electorate?

[Libosaurus]

52. Please quantify your statement about voters and women.

How can you possibly know this as fact? Or if you prefer, why would Joe nominate someone who couldn't win?

This is the weak nonsense that I'm challenging here.

[intheflow]

72. Now you're being intentionally obtuse.

Obviously Joe thought a woman could win, as did DUers. This election, paired with Clinton's loss in 2016, indicates a whole shitload of troglodytes in our country vote against their own interests to keep a woman out of the White House.

[Tommy Carcetti]

40. Okay then, old timer. nt

[Skittles]

58. they're so fucking OBVIOUS

UGH!!!!!!!!!!

[KT2000]

41. Russia has interfered all along

the whole time. Putin does not just tolerate their ransomware hackers into our systems, but I bet Putin gets a cut. They have kept a presence on social media that has kept trump in the spotlight every day. Biden's message was drowned out for 4 years.

[obamanut2012]

45. wow

[walkingman]

47. Tell us your opinion of what went wrong. I think it is obvious.

Although Kamala got less votes, by a small percentage, than Biden in 2020 in all demographics, that was all it took to win in enough states to win. The country is divided. Biden beat Trump in 2020 but not by much.

IMO, Kamala ran a near perfect campaign, especially considering it was only about 3 months long. Outstanding and the choice was easy.

We have every right to question how we lost to such a vile person as Trump. After his first term he should never have been even a consideration - his GOP enablers made it possible simply because they are all cowards or even worse.

So what do you think we did wrong, Libosaurus?

[ForgedCrank]

48. Well, I'll

take a huge risk and give my own two cents. It's the same two cents I've tried to bring up for the past few months.
Almost all resources and messages revolved around vilifying Trump. We spent our time making claims of Nazi's, fascists, dictators, and internment camps. It has actually been embarrassing for me because being a Democrat, I get lumped into this crap. And unlike some, I am willing to say it out loud, and that is scant effort was put into policy development and promoting that as the primary message to voters. It was there, but it was hidden behind the dark and massive shadow of the negative crap. I think we set a record for most consecutive years beating a clearly dead horse. Those comments and claims resonated only with people who already hated that shithead and were never in a million years ever going to vote for him anyway.
This did not motivate independent and swing voters at all. It repelled them in large enough numbers to produce the result we got.
And their voters? We CANNOT badmouth their voters in any forum. Just look what he was able to do with the garbage comment. Yes, yes I know, but it doesn't matter what was actually said or meant, it was a perfect crowbar made for the job, and they used it to their full advantage. The hyperbole has to stop if we want to regain the confidence of voters. There were so many instances of this, most especially in the media, that it erodes cooperation in very consequential ways. We should NEVER make it personal, that is a losing strategy every single time. For hell, I live in one of the most red-washed counties in the country, and these are good people with some questionable ideals, nothing more. Sure, there are a few jackasses, but they are few. I may disagree with them, but theya re just normal people trying to do what THEY think is right. I can't go around calling them stupid rubes, I have to live with these people, and in a national election, it's the exact same conditions. You cannot make this shit personal or insulting.
We can't point straight at Harris or Biden or anyone in particular because be in in social media, major media outlets, or even forums like this place, the mood emanating from our side was of hyperbole and bile, even hatred. Someone needs to get this into the minds of the media who control these talking heads, because they injured us greatly throughout these previous months with this BS.

OP: this is a general comment not directed at you, just needed to get all that off my chest

[Libosaurus]

50. Very well said.

I agree.

[Skittles]

57. of course you do

[Skittles]

56. OK so we can RECOGNIZE fascism

WE JUST CANNOT TALK ABOUT IT! Yeah, that's the problem.

[Libosaurus]

73. That was talked about a lot before the election.

Did it help?

[Skittles]

75. LOL

you don't get it, but that does not surprise me

WOMEN HAVE TO BE TWICE AS GOOD TO BE CONSIDERED HALF AS GOOD. POC HAVE TO BE TEN TIMES AS GOOD. Kamala was held to IMPOSSIBLE standards, while the Putin-loving multi-felon sex offender was held to NO STANDARDS AT ALL.

WAKE UP.

[ForgedCrank]

84. Why does

it "not surprise you"? Should I attempt to interpret that as being called stupid or something? There is a crucial part of that statement missing.
You don't have to agree with my opinion, but it still stands as a valid opinion.
But we can just keep on like we have been I guess. Hell, it worked out swimmingly well for us, right? So let's just keep doing the same, but more of it. Surely it'll be different next time.

[Skittles]

122. what is the alternative?

suck up to FASCISM? I served in the MILITARY - I WILL NOT DO THAT

[ForgedCrank]

123. I said

none of that.

[Skittles]

124. actually yes YOU DID

DONE HERE

[cachukis]

71. Curiously, did the opposition present any policy

and positivity?
It has been shown that voters do not like the negatives, but it turns out it works.
I agree that calling one stupid is not an effective way to convince them to join your team, but trump does just that with his supporters.

It was pretty evident that democracy and women's health care were on the
line in this election.
How is it the voters chose to support a candidate opposed to both?

Was it wrong to remind the voters the Nazis wreaked a deadly havoc on all of society and they are knocking at our door.

I think some are missing the point here. The country has lost its way.

Positive leadership is villified by power brokers.

Fighting back angers and entrenches the supporters of the opposing power.
Archangels aren't going to overpower them with placid rhetoric.

When it gets personal, people respond.

Once again, I am astonished so many in this country care less for half the population.
That is the real problem.

[ForgedCrank]

82. Yes and no.

Trump did a lot of talking about policy. Granted, details were very scant, or absent altogether, but he did.
For example, promising mass deportation. Promising to punish companies that move outside of the US. Pardoning Jan6 convicts. Etc.
I don't believe he ever came up with anything I could even partially agree with, but he did it nonetheless, and he did it non-stop. He made those things the loudest and the most prominent.
In my own way, I just see things a lot differently. I think I'm just a little more old school than most at this stage. My expectations of others are sometimes unobtainable, and I realize that. Everyone has a well-earned right to be pissed off, especially now. Heck, I'm one of them.
I can only apply the logic that is relevant in my own life, the things I witness and experience. That is a lot different as we look in other cultural cells around our country. I only see others from a distance, so I know my application of civility or acceptable is different in other people, but it's the only information I have to work with. I do not accept popular caricatures of others, it is more often than not very wrong.
And yes, I agree with you on most of that. Trump has nothing good to say about our party, he trashes it constantly with BS. But in my reality, when two drunken jerks are fighting in a bar parking lot, the crowd sees both of them as drunken jerks. The only way to gain advantage is to not act like the drunken jerk. Sure, you may still get your arse kicked in the moment, but the long game is far more important and consequential. Even on the internet, I do my level best to stay true to my personal convictions, even when it costs me.

[cachukis]

105. I agree about the drunken jerks. The dignity factor

rules in Robert's. But that expects us all to follow the Marquis de Queensbury.
Is mass deportation policy or vengeance? No explanation as to how or justification.
Punishing companies to secure economic success as they see fit, policy?
Pardoning his mob?
That is his sales job. None of that would be classified as a policy to improve our lot.
Be that as it may, he is a caricature.
How does one enlighten the follower of a caricature?
He has had 10 years of fostering a hatred of high brow thinking in a Don Rickles way.
I agree we must approach our foes with compassion and give them a chance to find themselves, but Harris closed on a high beat and it wasn't enough.
She proposed valid policies, but overcoming the short term memories of low prices was not going to work with citizens unable to understand much more than the high price of eggs. That is their reality. Doesn't matter why.
Here in America, the divide is economic and Social Darwinism.
How do you improve the lot of the least among us when you demand they do it on their own? Meanwhile, you complain about their burden on society as you use them for your own benefit.
This is the powerful taking on the increasingly powerless while using psyops to keep them in support.

My deeply trumpian rich friend constantly blames the failures of nations on the intellectuals. I have been unable to successfully explain it is the destruction of the brain power that destroys the society.

We are living this in the greatest historical conflict of the modern age.

[walkingman]

80. IF you vote for a felon, a convicted rapist, a racist, you are not "good people".

[Dem4life1234]

121. They are stupid and hateful! Fuck that!

They are not good people if they support a lying, rapist thieving fascist creature. Had it been a Republican candidate like Romney, then we can talk. With orange thug? All bets are off!

They are not good people! If you are not one of their hated minority groups, yeah they probably put a sweet face in front of you.

They deserve the insults. Because they sure as hell have no problems attacking us and aiming to make our lives hell!

Now the world is in danger, this impacts other nations, too.

[Skittles]

55. LOL

ALRIGHTY THEN

[intheflow]

59. Bold words from someone here less than a month.

With a screen name that refers to yourself as a "lib," which not how we self-identify. Are you a troll? The post has some merit but FFS, read the room.

[dpibel]

63. The general public expresses that hatred

by making those people rich and famous.

Got it!

Any other deep thoughts you'd like to share?

[intheflow]

77. Why do you hate free speech?

Because that's exactly what this post sounds like to me.

[intheflow]

86. Free speech means anyone can voice their political opinions.

You want them to shut up. You want to ban them, cancel them. Or isn't that what you meant by DITCH THEM FOREVER?

By the way, none of the people you have listed has ever said, "I'm better than you." That's 100% projection on your part.

[dpibel]

95. In a quick 7 posts, the snake eats its tail

I'm thinking maybe you don't quite know how these word thingies work.

[dpibel]

100. Ooh! Only two more posts before you can do an OP

Go for it, sport!

[BumRushDaShow]

111. Ain't happeing

became a "self-destruct".

[dpibel]

113. With impressive speed!

[BumRushDaShow]

114. Yeah

I had to clean up the mess.

[dpibel]

94. Which has what to do with your initial premise?

Your claim is that people hate the celebrities you listed.

How they make their money has nothing to do with that.

But you are just being silly, and not too subtly at that.

[Nimble_Idea]

74. uh huh

[ecstatic]

83. All the reasons for the loss explained

Good old' boys network: The good old boys protected trump. He was dead in the water after J6. Barr, McConnell, and then Garland allowed trump to come back to life. They didn't think it was worth holding him accountable for their own ridiculous reasons, and now an incompetent traitorous criminal will be back in the white house.

Poor "real time" messaging: Democrats did a horrible job explaining all the good that was done IN REAL TIME during Biden's term. All that fighting and walking the picket lines. For what? Nobody knew, nobody cared. Meanwhile, the gop has been pumping out propaganda for decades. They reach our potential voters by attacking from the right but also attacking from a left perspective (designed to keep voters home / discouraged). We were all surprised by the statistic that Bill Clinton cited at the DNC--why is that? It is really fucked up that even Democrats are not aware of the dramatic difference between republican job creation and democratic job creation.

Hopelessly dumb people: Yes, that's a major reason as well. Everyone saw what trump did on January 6. Everyone has seen the chaos, lies, and cruelty. They somehow think that a mass deportation plan won't potentially put them at risk of being picked up and tossed into a camp. They want to give cops the power to "deport" people. There were dumb people who were hung up on Kamala's ethnicity or who she might have slept with.

Resentful (dumb) people: A lot of resentment around what they think migrants are receiving in the form of cash and luxury hotels.

Voter suppression: Well documented. The gop passed dozens of laws all over the US in 2021 after Garland failed to act and shut down trump's lies and gaslighting.

Misogyny: People who still believe that women can't be president!!!

Also, trump brought in a LOT of new political newbies into the fray. Political newbies have a simple view of the world and how things work and they tend to go through certain stages before they settle on their final belief system. One of the first stops is usually anti-undocumented immigrants and resentment surrounding that. Then when you factor in all the uninformed influencers like Joe Rogan and others spouting mis/dis-info day and night--it was like a perfect storm really.

So there you have it. Now I'll wait for you to explain how we can counter those things.

Again, the best we can do is pump out our own propaganda at the levels and speed of the gop/rightwing.

[milestogo]

87. Yeah, we really need to dumb it down or else we're committing suicide.

[greymattermom]

88. I hated the low unemployment bragging

Many of my family members and friends with advanced degrees are either out of work or driving school busses. The unemployment rate doesn't capture the situation of IT folks and PhDs. Software developers are bussing plates in restaurants.

[Caribbeans]

97. Whoever thought it would be a good idea to drag the horrid and utterly despicable Liz Cheney out

and parade her around like someone that mattered should be fired and shunned from the party.

She belongs in the Hague with her disgusting pig daddy, a war criminal that DU'ers of 15 years ago found repulsive.

She even lost her home state, rethugs don't even like her. Also being "honored" to have the support of Dickey was absurd. This after almost 30 years of war crimes.

Liz Cheney defeated in Wyoming GOP primary
Aug 16, 2022

[jalan48]

118. Harris would have been better served to campaign with Bernie. He would have helped with the working class vote.

[Persondem]

98. It was misogyny with a healthy dose of racism

So, in general, American men are so colossally insecure that they prefer a no class, dictatorial, moron over a smart, competent woman of color.

[lees1975]

99. Russia did intervene. They got caught trying, anyway. The record of their intervention was suppressed by Trump.

Remember the Mueller investigation? All about as effective as Merrick Garland defending the people of the United States.

[Wingus Dingus]

102. LOL.

[minstrel76]

103. Hear, hear

[JeffinUT]

108. Another opinion

Long time lurker, never posted before. My opinion, for as little as it is worth. I think until we figure out how to drive the narrative like the right-wing media can we are going to struggle. Look how many right wing sources they have online, podcasts, streaming, social media, I don't think we are pushing the message to where the middle of the road voters are. Once their talking point is created the messaging is intense. Personally I look at Joe as one of our better presidents, but the messaging killed him, figuratively speaking. All the gas pump "I did that" stickers, the constant drumbeat that hes too old, in decline, it was just a hill too hard to climb. Since they run the narrative that is why so much of Trump just got buried, public opinion, did not match reality, but that doesn't matter when so many sources are consistently saying the same thing. I do think secondarily it may have been a mistake to put so much on trying to reach Repubs, yes L Cheney did some good things , I think the Repub we have now have already run off the moderates and by shifting center to try to attract them, I think she ended up losing some on the left. I guess in analysis, someone smarter than me will be able to say if that strategy won more votes or pushed more away. I am getting to be older, turn 49 in a week, but I think we need to really shift how we think about things to try to reach people in this day and age. It seems like a lot of our tactics are getting stale for the modern world. I believe if we were better at the messaging it would be a landslide since in almost every way, I think the Democratic platform and positions benefit a larger percent of the public. Misogyny and racism can be a factor, but I don't think that covers all the lost votes, I do not believe the average person is racist, I think most people at the core are good and just trying to make the decisions they believe to be best for them and their families, just we are not getting them the facts to counter all the misinformation. We need more people like Buttigieg and Newsome to counter the points but they cannot do it along. Anyway, that is my take for what it is worth/not worth.

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110. "we" ... 😂

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[JustAnotherGen]

115. That's something

For historians to figure out in 50 years.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

125. DEADLINE WHITEHOUSE uncovers REAL REASON Why Kamala Lost - Nicole Wallace MSNBC revealing Insights

Watch the video below. Tuesday's election loss was not due to a bad campaign but due to the fact that voters had a negative impression of the economy and the wrong track numbers were too high. I do NOT think that based on the polling discussed that the Democratic Party has to make drastic changes.

I am a numbers geek. While I do blame part of Kamala's defeat on sexism, I heard today a good explanation as to what one of the major reasons for Tuesday's election results on Deadline White House today. President Biden had an approval rating of around 40% and the wrong track numbers were very high. Historically, an incumbent president tends to get the same percentage of vote as their approval ratings. Here Kamala got 7% or so higher vote compared to Joe Biden's approval rating which is a testament to the fact that she ran a great campaign.

Link to tweet

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Joe Biden did a great job on the economy and prevented a recession. However the public was still upset at the fact that food and other things cost more and they felt bad about the economy. The high percentage of people who believe that the country was on the wrong track also hurt. In effect, Kamala was facing a very high burden to overcome and was unable to overcome the feelings that the country was on the wrong track and the fact voters were upset about the economy.