Time to give them what they voted for: Education edition.

[Nimble_Idea]

It is past time to stand aside and let the department of education go.

Long gone will be the excuse that failing schools were a federal government problem.
Now the failures of kansas and kentucky can stay there, along with the blame.

It is time for states to be the lab of America to show what education works, and what education clearly does not.

Anything positive that came from the dept, can be implemented by a state. And the money can come in the form of the great tax cuts that are on the way back to the rich. Each state can tax their billionaires accordingly as well.

[kwolf68]

1. Was talking to wife about this today

K-12 education is largely the domain of states anyway. The best educated states are those blue states.

The other point I was making to my wife was

--if I was a fascist theocrat I would WANT the federal government to dictate to the states what type of right wing religious indoctrination to take place. If they totally remove the federal government, they REMOVE Trump and his crowd. I think this is not a terrible thing, it gets Trump out of states education issues. If we need to build it back, do so in 4 years.

[phylny]

2. You're gonna get the most vocal group of parents in the universe

riled up: parents of children with special education. They already complain that the federal government is not paying enough. Just wait.

[delisen]

4. and many are Republican.

Special Education was never fully funded. Adam Schiff intended to push for full funding in the new Congress.
The 2025s may try to give the DOE money to the states as block grants so they can use for other things, or vouchers to use in private schools. This will probably be a big area of contention.

We need to fight for disabled children but we should be clear with Republican parents that they are going to have to fight also.

[Nimble_Idea]

6. ok well, now the line for complaints will be at the state house?

why should I give a fuck about some red state complaining about the fed gubment. They voted to get rid of the dept.

I think you overestimate anyone's care about these parents, let alone wait times.

[phylny]

7. Oh, I don't think anyone cares ( I mean,

I care about disabled kids) but parents will be shocked when there is no money for services.

[Nimble_Idea]

9. yeah, to be clear - we care for those kids. what I don't care for is the complaints about

it when they get rid of the dept.

again, this needs to go to the Gov.

[2naSalit]

3. Student loans...

For higher education is also within the Dept. of Ed. What about that part of the agency, hmm?

[Nimble_Idea]

5. again, why can't this be transferred to the state?

[2naSalit]

10. Like they could afford it.

How would that work exactly?

[Nimble_Idea]

12. who is they?

what do you mean? (genuinely asking btw)



I'm thinking, the loans just get transferred to their respective state govt.

[2naSalit]

13. And how would the states fit that into their genral funds?

How would states be able to cover student loans? Seriously, how would that work?

A simple phrase is not an acceptable answer. You made a bold supposition that I would like to know how came to that.

[Nimble_Idea]

14. it is up to each state.

every state has community banks.

[2naSalit]

15. Umm...

Do you have any experience with student loans?

Have you ever had one?

Do you understand why there is such a program?


There was no such thing when I was college age and I had to wait until I was in my 30s before I could go to college and I can guarantee you that there is NO BANK who would be giving most of us a penny for our education. Banks are subjective, the federal program is not.

[Nimble_Idea]

16. it could be a partnership with the state

a program to help cover it. I'm not understanding why a state can't help.

[2naSalit]

17. I'm not understanding...

How you think that is practical in any way. Students do not always study within their home state so which state covers those loans? Most states have a hard time fixing their infrastructure, student loans would be a burden.

And what about states like Alabama and Mississippi, do you think most of the black residents would ever get a student loan from that racist state government?

?

The reason federal programs exist is to try to provide equal opportunity to students from anywhere in the country... even the bigot states.

[Nimble_Idea]

19. well I guess in all reality, it is not something I will have to wonder about

since we will see it play out in a few months.

[2naSalit]

20. And there's that...

Too.

[JCMach1]

21. Outsourced to Raytheon,.or somesuch

[2naSalit]

22. When I was finishing up my time in academia...

It was clear that having corporations finance higher education leads to skewed studies favoring the corporation's gains. That's what has become of research and development, corporations fund it at universities and the student is encouraged to research the way the corporation wants. Saw it permeating the graduate level degree programs while I was there. You can;t study anything that isn't backed by some corporate interest.

This is another reason why we need federal student loans.

[meadowlander]

8. Kids in red states have the right to a decent education too.

Education is about the rights of the kids. It's not good enough to tell trans kids in Florida "well, we're going to erase your identity because the majority of adults living around you want to pretend it doesn't exist." Access to open and accurate information about who you are is a civil right that should be protected at the national level.

[Nimble_Idea]

11. that is a nice aspiration. but they actually don't have that right in the red states

and the people on a national level voted for the openly anti-trans party.

not sure what red states rights have to do with protecting kids in blue states.

I will protect kids in blue states and send your paragraph here to the red states and the incoming admin.

[Prairie Gates]

24. But the people don't want that...they clearly voted for eliminating the Department of Education

That wasn't some vague concept of a plan: it was an explicit promise and outlined clearly in the Trump agenda and GOP platform. The people voted against the idea that education had to be protected at the federal level. The vote was resounding.

[Kid Berwyn]

18. Public Education is what makes America great.

For instance, in the dark days of World War 2, the nation mobilized, trained and deployed millions in the armed forces.

What made it possible was the excellent public education the draftees had. They were quick to understand the situation and learned what was required to successfully beat the fascists.

Oh, right.

[2naSalit]

23. And they were...

In some regions, still very good in the 1960s. I was only able to complete the first two weeks of 9th grade when I had to work or live in the streets. I chose to work. Twenty five years after I should have graduated HS I entered college with a high scoring GED. And I finished up with a master's degree. I attribute my academic success to the quality of my primary education. I found I had better reading, writing, spelling and punctuation skills than some of my professors which I found alarming.

And I don't see that in the public schools of today and that's a detriment to country for many reasons but including the scenario you presented.