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Stinky The Clown

(68,952 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:44 PM Nov 2024

Merrick Garland . . . .

. . . . slow walked EVERYTHING directly detrimental to the felonious fascist.

I hold him in the same regard as I do the felonious fascist.

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Merrick Garland . . . . (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Nov 2024 OP
God forbid he's seen as partisan Tribetime Nov 2024 #1
Blame also goes to the person who hired him for that job, and the gatekeepers RockRaven Nov 2024 #2
I can't disagree Stinky The Clown Nov 2024 #4
Nailed it. LPBBEAR Nov 2024 #13
Have to admit you're correct. He was never right for that job. brush Nov 2024 #62
I knew when McConnell voted to confirm him as AG that something was up. jalan48 Nov 2024 #3
And his fan club, which was numerous, insisted that the delay didn't matter iemanja Nov 2024 #5
While I agree with you, I shall refrain from blaming people like that for . . . . Stinky The Clown Nov 2024 #10
President Biden recently said he was disappointed with his choice of AG PortTack Nov 2024 #17
Now he tells us Blue_Roses Nov 2024 #19
No, he said it awhile ago. AllyCat Nov 2024 #39
I too share your sentiments! Wuddles440 Nov 2024 #6
He should keep him because he did dumps bidding the entire Biden administration. onecaliberal Nov 2024 #7
Ya, thanks for nothing Merrick. To use a colloquialism that an old friend of mine CentralMass Nov 2024 #8
Biden should have appointed an poli-junkie Nov 2024 #9
I think you will like Steve Bannon as an AG Beastly Boy Nov 2024 #11
Maybe I'm just tired and not understanding your comment. markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #22
No, this is not both sideism, it is an unabashed support and appreciation of Garland's tenure as AG. Beastly Boy Nov 2024 #37
That's what we were asking for: AllyCat Nov 2024 #40
Just as the law required him to do. Beastly Boy Nov 2024 #46
It took almost two years after the January 6th insurrection for Jack Smith to be appointed. choie Nov 2024 #49
Do you have any fucking idea what it takes to appoint a fucking special counsel? Beastly Boy Nov 2024 #61
Thank you for clarifying. markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #64
He's gonna load up with women. SayItLoud Nov 2024 #59
He is worse in some ways, he knew the risks. 58Sunliner Nov 2024 #12
huge, if true bigtree Nov 2024 #14
Excellent, fact based refutation as always, bigtree Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #25
I've had many uncharitable thoughts about Garland these last couple of days.... Sogo Nov 2024 #15
Yes...him having done a slow walk against tfg, he will have to share the blame for the demise of our country PortTack Nov 2024 #16
Merrick. Fucking. Garland. Blue Owl Nov 2024 #18
Serious question: Polybius Nov 2024 #20
Who knows, but justice would have been done. Sparkly Nov 2024 #24
I agree. hadEnuf Nov 2024 #36
It's called holding a criminal accountable for his crimes. choie Nov 2024 #51
Agree 100% Polybius Nov 2024 #63
Merrick Garland is going to go down in American history as a villain. Efilroft Sul Nov 2024 #21
Grief induced nonsense- here's a reality check: Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #23
How unsurprising that Garland's cheerleaders continue to shake their pom-poms Orrex Nov 2024 #28
No cheerleading, just reality. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #30
The reality is that cheerleaders never miss a chance to deride fellow DUers Orrex Nov 2024 #32
It is possible to express rage, disappointment and frustration without scapegoating Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #33
Well that's really not up to you Orrex Nov 2024 #34
Oh, but these are wise and incisive words from a blogger! choie Nov 2024 #56
THEY MAKE ME SICK Skittles Nov 2024 #55
FUCK HIM Skittles Nov 2024 #26
Brace for a visit from the cheerleaders Orrex Nov 2024 #29
OH, FUCK THEM TOO Skittles Nov 2024 #35
This is why we're pals Orrex Nov 2024 #42
All Hail Merrick the Magnificent moniss Nov 2024 #47
And then it will be declared moot because he'll have access to those documents all over again Orrex Nov 2024 #48
I notice they have been quite absent lately Skittles Nov 2024 #50
Someone with well-placed unnamed contacts used to attack people for doubting Garland Orrex Nov 2024 #27
haha they really don't have much ammunition now do they Skittles Nov 2024 #38
Strangely enough I haven't heard from them in a while. Orrex Nov 2024 #44
maybe they are fucking FINALLY getting it Skittles Nov 2024 #45
His dereliction of duty is unforgivable. If it were any other republican that won, I'd be able to stomach it ecstatic Nov 2024 #31
Steaming pile of malpractice shit. onecaliberal Nov 2024 #41
Garland is a Federalist Society member and moniss Nov 2024 #43
Typical democrat theplayer Nov 2024 #52
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK THAT GUY Skittles Nov 2024 #53
He's buds with a lot of Fuckstick's lawyers. He deliberately botched the case. tenderfoot Nov 2024 #54
And he was once nominated to be a Supreme Court Justice ........ nt kelly1mm Nov 2024 #57
Agreed. His slow-walking helped trump tremendously. brush Nov 2024 #58
I do remember when Garland 1st started to look at trump's crimes and did nothing, I wrote here in DU Escurumbele Nov 2024 #60
kick Stinky The Clown Nov 2024 #65

RockRaven

(19,375 posts)
2. Blame also goes to the person who hired him for that job, and the gatekeepers
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:49 PM
Nov 2024

who approved him. Failed decision-making all around.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
62. Have to admit you're correct. He was never right for that job.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:50 PM
Nov 2024

I think Joe may have felt Garland was owed something since turtleman denied him a hearing for SCOTUS.

That was a mistake. Garland has been the worse AG ever. Period. He let trump delay, delay, delay and now won't ever be held accountable for trying to overthrow the government and for stealing hundreds of classified docs that no one knows what he did with them.

iemanja

(57,757 posts)
5. And his fan club, which was numerous, insisted that the delay didn't matter
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:50 PM
Nov 2024

It would make no difference. Well, of course it did, as I knew at the time. There was even one poster who said she didn't care if Trump was ever prosecuted. Well, she got her wishes. I hope she's pleased with the election results.

Stinky The Clown

(68,952 posts)
10. While I agree with you, I shall refrain from blaming people like that for . . . .
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:01 PM
Nov 2024

. . . . anything apart from (perhaps) overzealous support of Joe Biden and his choices.

Wuddles440

(2,094 posts)
6. I too share your sentiments!
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:51 PM
Nov 2024

I almost wouldn't be surprised if the Orange King gives him a position in his administration or, at least, The Presidential Medal of Freedom.

CentralMass

(16,971 posts)
8. Ya, thanks for nothing Merrick. To use a colloquialism that an old friend of mine
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:53 PM
Nov 2024

Last edited Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:27 AM - Edit history (1)

often uses, " He's as useless as tit's on a black Angus bull.

poli-junkie

(1,567 posts)
9. Biden should have appointed an
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:56 PM
Nov 2024

interim atty general on Jan. 20th and had him/her indict the insurrection higher-ups along with the marauding thugs right away! Just like what happened in Brazil after a similar attempt when Bolsonaro didn’t get re-elected.

Biden should have been more aggressive from the start.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
11. I think you will like Steve Bannon as an AG
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:01 PM
Nov 2024

He would be fast walking every arrest, detention, prosecution and conviction of thousands of people on Trump's shit list regardless of the hundreds of laws and statutes that have been passed and codified to restrain an AG, and he wouldn't give a shit about appearing impartial. There will be absolutely no doubt about his partiality.

Don't single out a scapegoat or two. They are all around you. It's the people you saw next to your voting booth. Nobody was slow walking them. It is not Garland's job to vote anyone in or out.

markodochartaigh

(5,545 posts)
22. Maybe I'm just tired and not understanding your comment.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:27 PM
Nov 2024

But it sounds like you are both sidesing this. There are not two sides to this issue. Only one side attempted to stop the counting of the electoral college votes, and in so doing, overthrow the US government.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
37. No, this is not both sideism, it is an unabashed support and appreciation of Garland's tenure as AG.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:12 PM
Nov 2024

Last edited Fri Nov 8, 2024, 12:01 AM - Edit history (1)

Anyone who accuses Garland of any slow walking is oblivious to an AG's role in the US justice system. An AG is not there to make laws, he is there to follow them to the letter.

To fast walk due process of law is to violate the law. This is what Garland bashers are calling for. And they are about to get their wish. Trump's AG will not be shy to ignore volumes comprising the Code of Laws of the United States, he will fast walk right past legal and judiciary checks and balances of the office of the AG, he will not bother with juries of the accused's peers or having to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. And there will be no mistaking or interpreting the in-your-face partiality of Trump's next AG.

We will fondly remember Garland's silly insistence on applying the law without fear or favor and his earnest commitment to show not even an appearance of partiality. The exact qualities that make a good AG, and the qualities still being mocked, even in this thread.

AllyCat

(18,842 posts)
40. That's what we were asking for:
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:14 PM
Nov 2024

That he follow the law.

But he sure jumped right on was right on Hunter Biden, eh?!

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
46. Just as the law required him to do.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:21 PM
Nov 2024

Just as any decent AG would have done: without fear or favor.

The exact opposite of what Trump's AG would be doing if the cokehead Beavis were to be caught with an illegally purchased gun.

choie

(6,906 posts)
49. It took almost two years after the January 6th insurrection for Jack Smith to be appointed.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:31 PM
Nov 2024

Two fucking years. I wonder how much evidence was destroyed during those two years? And you think Merrick Garland did his job well?

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
61. Do you have any fucking idea what it takes to appoint a fucking special counsel?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:48 PM
Nov 2024

Garland did.

I gave a hint in the post you are replying to. It's called a fucking 28 CFR § 600.1. Look it up. it's a fucking eye opener.

Believe it or not, Garland knew of its existence. He knew exactly what the fuck he was doing and when. And fuck yeah, he did his job well.

bigtree

(94,263 posts)
14. huge, if true
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:06 PM
Nov 2024

...is not.

No matter, I guess, to critics that neither a conviction or charges keeps anyone from running or assuming office, even in jail..

But, I'm not seeing how Garland was supposed to bring charges early in his term based on, what, news reports and twitter posts? How would that piffle of a legal strategy get by this maga majority n the Supreme Court?

How do you convince grand juries, which the federal system relies on to bring charges forward, to recommend charges without the testimony and evidence that came in AFTER appeals were successfully fought by Garland's prosecutors in appeals courts hearings which were delayed for months and months?

Close aides and attorneys had their attorney client privileges stripped on the evidence GARLAND'S team argued before the judges, much of it overlapping his appointment of Smith.

The same host of close Trump WH attorney's and aides who are KEY WITNESSES in his indictments. Material seized in 2021 wasn't available until those appeals were completed successfully by Garland's team. Guiliani's phone, for instance, wasn't unlocked for YEARS after it was seized by the FBI. Jeffery Clark's, Jenna Ellis', John Eastman's.

People who claim Garland wasn't investigating the Trump WH early in his term have been proven wrong so many times... the 'Garland late' Garland slow walked refrain hasn't a shred of truth.

More than that, you really have to question the legal judgment of the claim Garland could just whip up a prosecution from the newspaper or twitter and put Trump in jail, tout de suite, as we watch the charges GRAND JURIES recommended after THEY took THEIR time deciding being just shredded and delayed further by the courts.

This construction of 'Garland late' of Garland indifferent' or any of the other ---- used to bash the DOJ which tasked Tom Windom to investigate the Trump WH in the fall of 2021, and hired Jack Smith to accelerate and deepen an already 'fast-moving investigation,' is an old and disproven trope.

receipts:




https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/index.html


https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/index.html


Smith started with more evidence than what Mueller started with, and integrated into a fast moving investigation including a year long financial probe which had flown under the radar.

Took over a staff twice the size of Muellers, some 20 prosecutors.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
25. Excellent, fact based refutation as always, bigtree
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:30 PM
Nov 2024

See my post #23 for link to emptywheel’s post election refutation of the Garland-blaming and bashing nonsense.

PortTack

(35,820 posts)
16. Yes...him having done a slow walk against tfg, he will have to share the blame for the demise of our country
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:10 PM
Nov 2024

Polybius

(21,901 posts)
20. Serious question:
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:16 PM
Nov 2024

Let's say he didn't slow walk it, and Trump went to jail Summer of 2023. Do you think the outcome would have been different?

Biden said he only ran again because Trump was running again. If he announces last year that he's not running for re-election, who wins the primary? Harris? Gavin?

And how would they fare against DeSantis or Hailey?

hadEnuf

(3,616 posts)
36. I agree.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:11 PM
Nov 2024

We talk the talk, but walking the walk needs lots of work.

Prosecution, win or lose, would have stood for something. But then again, we didn't want to rile the MAGATs too badly, right?

Waste of time.

Efilroft Sul

(4,413 posts)
21. Merrick Garland is going to go down in American history as a villain.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:18 PM
Nov 2024

Sure, not on the level of Donald Trump, who is a man of action. More like James Buchanan, who was an enabler of Southern secession and a man of inaction.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
23. Grief induced nonsense- here's a reality check:
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:28 PM
Nov 2024
https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/11/06/trump-sold-grievance-and-america-liked-what-he-was-selling/

Once Trump got everyone hooked on his grievance drug, Merrick Garland was never going to make a difference.

I have tried, over and over, to explain how the investigation into Trump and his co-conspirators proceeded. More recently, I’ve explained how you couldn’t have charged Trump with insurrection — the only thing that would have disqualified him from running — until after May 2023, and had Jack Smith done so, it would have ended up exactly where we are here, with John Roberts delaying everything until after the election.

No effort to explain the process — the two years of exploiting phones, the months of January 6 Committee delay, the ten months of privilege fights, the month Elon Musk stole, or the eight months John Roberts bought Trump — none of that has mattered, of course. People needed an explanation for their own helplessness and Merrick Garland was the sparkle pony they hoped would save them.

But nothing Merrick Garland would have done would have mattered anyway.


Much, much more at link, with additional links to fact (as opposed to emotion) based evidence detailing how no amount of speed or aggressiveness on Garland’s part would have made any difference in the election because of Trump’s victim persona and the privilege obstacles and SCOTUS interference that would have happened on any timeline.

Flame away, I don’t care, I remain firmly a principled member of the reality based community.

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
28. How unsurprising that Garland's cheerleaders continue to shake their pom-poms
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:52 PM
Nov 2024

while continuing to mock fellow DUers.

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
32. The reality is that cheerleaders never miss a chance to deride fellow DUers
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:59 PM
Nov 2024

God forbid someone express frustration or anxiety while an obvious criminal walks free. Much more important to ridicule and belittle those who dare to demonstrate normal human responses.

That kind of thing says a lot more about the scold than about the person they're scolding.

And we've seen (and continue to see) it countless times on DU.

I salute the cheerleaders in their undying quest to show that their opinions are more valid than anyone else's.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
33. It is possible to express rage, disappointment and frustration without scapegoating
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:03 PM
Nov 2024

I know humans have an intense need to understand why things happen, and to know with certainty who is at fault, but that is not how reality works.

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
34. Well that's really not up to you
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:07 PM
Nov 2024

Rather than mocking the "grief induced nonsense" of fellow Democrats who are enduring an unfolding and unprecedented trauma in real time, maybe dial back the smug condescension, because it's doing nothing but giving you a false sense of superiority.

And posting a link to a speculative article is hardly supporting your case. Garland would have made no difference? How the fuck does the author know that? That sounds a lot more like a cheerleader offering a post hoc rationale for the snailishness of Garland's efforts.

choie

(6,906 posts)
56. Oh, but these are wise and incisive words from a blogger!
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:37 PM
Nov 2024

almost like from god on high.

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
29. Brace for a visit from the cheerleaders
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:54 PM
Nov 2024

Thou Shalt Not Question The Glacial Pace Of Garland's Proceedings

moniss

(9,056 posts)
47. All Hail Merrick the Magnificent
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:21 PM
Nov 2024

and yes the attackers will be here shortly. But hey no need to expedite going to the 11th Circuit to request removal of a judge obviously dragging things out on a case of major disclosure of National Security secrets. Let's just wait awhile for the "process" they all said.

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
48. And then it will be declared moot because he'll have access to those documents all over again
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:26 PM
Nov 2024

Which mean that anyone with a checkbook will have access to those documents all over again.

Interesting times.

Skittles

(171,715 posts)
50. I notice they have been quite absent lately
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:32 PM
Nov 2024

dare we hope they are finally getting it? FUCK THEM ANYWAYS

Orrex

(67,111 posts)
27. Someone with well-placed unnamed contacts used to attack people for doubting Garland
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:50 PM
Nov 2024

I myself was so attacked many times, all for daring to suggest that maybe just maybe things weren't progressing as quickly as might be warranted.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
31. His dereliction of duty is unforgivable. If it were any other republican that won, I'd be able to stomach it
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:57 PM
Nov 2024

But a twice impeached, convicted felon who tried to overthrow our country? A guy who will certainly succeed in killing everyone this time around? This is on Garland, Mitch, Senate Republicans, and Barr. They are all traitors who will be complicit in the destruction of our country. Fuck all of them.

moniss

(9,056 posts)
43. Garland is a Federalist Society member and
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:16 PM
Nov 2024

look at him no differently than I look at a member of the the John Birch Society, the Citizen's Councils etc. When you dig back through these organizations and their founders, members and backers from their beginning you find the same sordid people coming up. Basically racists, white supremacists, bigots of many stripes, Libertarians, the oil tycoons, the intelligence community and of course former military who take it upon themselves to initiate and conduct their own foreign policy because they can get rich people to back them so that the interests of the rich are preserved.

 

theplayer

(27 posts)
52. Typical democrat
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:33 PM
Nov 2024

Republicans play to win... By whatever means are necessary. Lying, cheating and frightening people are their currency. They would stop at nothing including murder too get and keep their power. On the other hand Democrats like f****** Merrick Garland play to be fair. Let's face it it's in our nature.
I was worried all along about immigration and the fact that Biden did allow a lot more undocumented in than Trump ever did. Republicans exploited the fears of people who mostly never met an undocumented immigrant. They stoked those fears for 4 years. They know fear works just like in England where people who never met immigrants voted to leave the European Union. You just can't overestimate fear and the absolute fact that Republicans will use it.
While I'm on a rant, it wasn't just immigration. When you allow criminals to commit their crimes with impunity, support trans who become women and then play in women's sports, Republicans saying you support prisoners getting trans operations (yes I know it was the law. I even think the first Trump administration enacted it... Not 100% sure about that) and allow wokeism to be exploited by right-wing hatemongers, you're fucked and you'll never win another election. I know those aren't issues that are of prime importance to Americans. They're cultural issues that have overwhelming support... And not just among right wingers. As I said a million times and I'm right these issues are why Democrats lose elections. Allowing criminals to run wild? Give me a fucking break. Allowing people who used to be men but are six foot four, massively bigger and more muscular than any woman to compete in women's sports, give me another fucking break. It's too late now. 4 years of trump will be unbelievably horrible but pale in comparison to what a right wing supreme Court for decades and decades and decades can and definitely will do. Before too long they will rule that an embryo is a person. They will abolish any gay rights, the right to privacy which is NOT guaranteed in the Constitution, the right to contraception, etc. Interracial marriage will remain legal because Clarence fucking Thomas has a personal stake in it. Good night and good luck to everybody.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
58. Agreed. His slow-walking helped trump tremendously.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:38 PM
Nov 2024

If Garland had prosecuted both the MAL docs case and the J6 case immediately after taking office, guilty as hell trump would've been tried, convicted and jailed way before the corrupt SCOTUS judges got involved with their bullshit immunity ruling.

Garland, the worse AG every. Is he a rethug mole?

Escurumbele

(4,094 posts)
60. I do remember when Garland 1st started to look at trump's crimes and did nothing, I wrote here in DU
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 11:46 PM
Nov 2024

about it, I said I was not pleased, and I felt Garland was betraying the country. I got so much resistance, many people here said "you don't know what you are talking about.", "these things take time, patience", and more. I hope we learned that in order to find the truth we must be objective, we have to see things for what they are.

I also hold Garland responsible, he has betrayed us, Biden should have removed him, Democrats must stop being so concerned about being called partisan and whatever republicans like to project because they don't care being called partisan, or corrupt, etc., they know they are all those things, so why should Democrats feel afraid to do the things they know they must do?

There will be "buyer's remorse" by mid-2025, many people who stupidly, and ignorantly voted for trump are going to find out they made the wrong choice, it happened in Venezuela to most people who voted for Chavez and refused to listen, the same thing is going to happen in the USA because people are going to suffer. I don't feel good about it, and like I told a person I know who voted for trump, I will be very happy if he becomes a great president who looks after the country's interests before his own, if the policies that get signed are those who help and protect the people, that he continues to support Ukraine against the aggressor from Russia, if he stops kissing Putin's butt, etc., but we all know he will be worst than he was during his first stunt as president.

We can only hope for a miracle, at least for those who believe in miracles.

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