Oh, my GAWD! Y'all please stop with the magical thinking!
Fewer Democrats voted for Harris than for Biden.
There's nothing magical about it. It's strictly math.
VP Harris needed to do better and than Biden and Trump to win but the unaffiliated who we needed didn't vote for her and all the other Democrats we needed who voted for Biden stayed home.
Then Trump was able to sell his line of sh¡t to the "bro" voters. The white, black and Hispanic bro voters who had never registered before voted for Trump.
He told them everything they wanted to hear because he needed to stay out of jail and people are easily fooled and confused.
We need to move on. We have to form our plans for reality based reactions and hold tight to the coalition we still have.
Please let's try and get a grip.
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kicking people in the pants, Little Miss Smarty. Well, you know what? Sometimes we need it, even DUers. Hope your foot doesn't get sore!
Take care, my friend!
It amazes me how few people have looked at the math.
It especially confounds me that we're getting weird and blaming each other. We don't have time to waste on foolishness.
Our most finite resource is time but it's also the Republican's and they will be pouncing fast and hard to take every opportunity for mischief available.
We need to try and minimize the damage. We certainly don't need to be blaming anyone.
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Thanks so much for pointing that out! ❤️
Someone on this post? Who?
It is the contrast between examining logical math and entertaining fantasy. Which can both be valid coping strategies.
One is more valuable and productive than the other in reality based planning, though.
Believe that if I wanted people to shut up, I would have said so directly. What I definitely don't want is for anyone to stay silent as it relates to our current and likely to be perilous reality.
I also don't want anyone to keep holding on to their helium balloons and lose sight of the ground when it's a sure bet that those balloons aren't going to save them.
Here are three definition sources for the phrase "move on" and not a single one references telling someone to shut up, be silent or stop being verbally expressive. If you know of any that do explicitly support that notion please share them, live love laugh. Thanks.
Verb
move on (third-person singular simple present moves on, present participle moving on, simple past and past participle moved on)
(idiomatic, intransitive) To continue, to proceed, to go on
After spending the night resting in an abandoned church, the group decided to move on in their quest.
(idiomatic, intransitive) To start dealing with something else.
The best revenge is always to just happily move on and let karma do the rest.
(idiomatic, transitive, informal) To attempt a seduction, often in a way seen as disloyal or rude to another.
I think Shane is going to move on my ex tonight.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/move_on?origin=serp_auto
The phrase ``move on'' generally means to let go of a situation, relationship, or feeling that is no longer serving you, and to start focusing on other aspects of your life. It often implies a shift in emotional attachment or interest.
https://www.quora.com/What-does-move-on-means-Should-I-completely-stop-talking-to-her-or-just-a-little-chit-chat
move on
British
1. phrasal verb
When you move on somewhere, you leave the place where you have been staying or waiting and go there.
2. phrasal verb
If someone such as a police officer moves you on, they order you to stop standing in a particular place and to go somewhere else.
3. phrasal verb
If you move on, you finish or stop one activity and start doing something different.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/move-on?origin=serp_auto
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Always a thorough and convincing retort.
One's based in fact and the other...well you know.
The Republicans definitely upped their voter suppression game but they also upped their registration and voting on the same day game, too. Seeing those numbers was like experiencing a sudden sneak attack while believing that the battle was over.
And which of the threats to polling places haven't been investigated? That is an interesting development!
Enjoying your time here so far?
Exactly, democracy/the Republic has only ever been a thing that we have to fight for to keep. You're exactly right about that.
I feel for the weak and see it as my/our obligation to help them. That includes the smallest non human critters and the tiniest wildflowers.
Look at what President Biden did today for the greater sage grouse*. He truly leads by example. My heart is breaking for him.
I hate the impending and possible alternatives.
But I'm not going down without a fight either.
Thanks for your reply, DSandra. ❤️
*greater sage grouse
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143336474
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/group/birds/sagegrouse/?origin=serp_auto
How do you think we account for them, soandso?
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What one person or another hold as a "belief" can't be used to formulate a mathematical equation.
That's really what the issue is here, math.
We do not go into a voting booth spouting our generalized beliefs on a variety of subjects and then have them tabulated and presented to us as mathematical facts.
Fanciful imagining and facts don't even mix as well as oil and water immediately after the container that holds the two are shaken.
If they did the library would be divided into section one for fiction and section two for fiction-nonfiction-fiction.
Fact: many Democrats who voted for President Biden didn't show up to vote for VP Harris for President.
It doesn't make a tiny bit of difference about
what you, I and anyone else believes or doesn't believe, his rhetoric, generals, him not looking good, Elon, what he was telling people, interviews and how great the rallies and Kamala’s enthusiasm were.
Because we just didn't have the votes.
Democrats didn't show up and we as a result did indeed hand it right to him and on a silver platter ALL BECAUSE we didn't have the human numbers to make the votes land in our direction.
I know it's hard to face defeat. I'm devastated. Reality isn't for the faint of heart, especially political reality.
Because political reality always ends in the science of numbers where only that we show up and vote matters and how we feel about the outcome doesn't count a bit.
This time the apathy of our peers is going to hurt us all and no amount of denial, anger, bargaining or depression can change the numbers.
It's definitely a hard pill to swallow for us all.
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"...people in such a hurry to declare this is over."
Except that maybe the pain is too much to accept and/or that they may not think we have time for wallowing in the sorrow.
Those are not things that are the crux of my concern. I'm more concerned about logical problem solving and pragmatic responsibility.
I'd rather we let go of the helium balloon before we lose complete sight of the ground.
The number comparison is based in 2020 relative to 2024 as a starting point.
Why do we let the AP call elections based on historical averages when all the votes haven't been counted?
IMO, We need to learn to wait for the results in their entirety. Then every vote really would count and ballots could be cured and accounted for, too.
Thanks for your reply, pnwmom. ❤️
Autopsy/forensic exam and a murder.
We really, really need to have the house in Dem hands.
I don't want anyone disenfranchised in any way. We need all the help we can get.
I would not be a very good Democrat if I did. I don't think that I would even qualify as a Democrat at all if that was true.
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We are all over the map with our messaging. That definitely needs to change.
I don't have any suggestions for that though I am sure they're some who do. I'll have to think on that.
Thanks for your reply, notroot. ❤️
Those who voted for President Biden previously, too many Americans definitely stayed home.
So, our job just gets more difficult as more people check out or don't show up.
Unfortunately, they don't seem to understand what we fight for is for them, too. It would be nice if they'd return the favor, wouldn't it?
Thanks for your reply, Emile. ❤️
As the saying goes, there's a first time for everything.
I don't disagree with you on the suffering part.
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It doesn't surprise me at all. It's so on brand for them. They have no shame.
Thanks for your reply, Beck23. ❤️
And because we all grieve in different ways studying math cannot be excluded from the myriad of individual coping strategies expressed here.
To suggest otherwise would be exclusionary.
I don't know when I will be able to think of our lost opportunity without feeling angry and sad.
What I do know, is that if the Democrats that voted for President Biden had shown up to vote for VP Harris for President very few of us would be interested in doing math or talking about grief.
Thanks for your reply, Lunabell.
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Why is it preferable to immediately go to the
"kill the messenger" approach to this discussion as opposed to reading the entire thread and studying the math?
Because that's the subject of the post, math.
There is certainly no reason for not starting an OP to discuss the "reason to be suspicious about any possible form of cheating given the circumstance" but that's not what the topic is here.
But thanks for your reply.
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Be the one to tell me what topics are acceptable and unacceptable to discuss?
Because I don't see me chastising anyone for having an opinion.
Offering an alternative opinion is not the same as suppressing someone's speech. Neither is expressing exasperation.
But if you believe that I'm wrong to offer a different perspective on the matter you're entirely entitled to seeing things differently. Just like me.
I must say I feel like I'm being attacked for being honest and that's concerning on a Democratic discussion board. But it won't stop me from being myself.
My notion here is that if the folks who voted for President Biden had consequently voted for VP Harris as President we wouldn't be here.
I am not surprised to hear about any chicanery anywhere anymore. We apparently have it in our own party. Which is a revelation in itself.
But it's not the first time I've been disappointed by people so I'm just going to move on.
I hope things are ironed out soon in your direction.
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Thanks for that, milestogo.
You deserve a hug.
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therefore we don't have all the math yet so who can really say I say...
Today, I'm wearing my Kamala. (Kamala, period) sweatshirt.
I got it two sizes too large because I wanted it to be long. I wanted to have my hands covered and for it to fall well below my hips.
My house can get very chilly even before the cold weather sets in because it's a country farmhouse built without insulation in the 1940's.
I washed it yesterday and when I finally put it on I was delighted by how soft and cozy it feels.
It's like getting a hug.
So today I'm wearing my big, soft, cozy Kamala period sweatshirt and it feels like she's giving me a big hug.
Like she's saying it's OK.
Like everything, all of the hardwork wasn't for nothing.
Because at least I got a Kamala hug.
Because of this, I'm going to try not to cry today.*
As hard as we worked, as extensive as out ground game was, as much money as we donated and spent...it still wasn't enough to bring out our fellow Democrats who voted for President Biden and have them vote for Kamala. Our own peeps left us high and dry.
The numbers in question:
2020 JB 81,283,501
2024 KH 70,858,691
Difference: 10,424,810
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*No such luck. Since I originally drafted this the tears have started. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day.