Muslim Exit Polls

[Pototan]

The national results show Green Party candidate Dr. Jill Stein received 53% of the Muslim vote, followed by President-elect Donald Trump with 21% and Vice President Kamala Harris with 20%.

CAIR also released Michigan-specific responses from 502 registered Muslim voters, revealing that Dr. Stein received 59% support, with Trump at 22% and Harris at 14%.

https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-exit-poll-of-muslim-voters-reveals-surge-in-support-for-jill-stein-and-donald-trump-steep-decl

Hay, who here is going to join me for the next protest against Trump's Muslim ban?

I can't fucking wait.

[hatrack]

1. But just knowing that help is on the way to civilians in Gaza and Lebanon is . . .

Wait, what?

[Elessar Zappa]

2. Dumb.

50% threw away their vote and 21% were chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.

[TheBlackAdder]

21. Trump planning several hotels in Israel. Spawn mentioned something about beachfront property.

It would not surprise me if Bibi is using the military to clear beachfront property at taxpayer expense and to perform the cleanup in preparation for resorts being built there. One of the hotels is proposed to be next to parliament and the other next to the IDF headquarters.

For Donald Trump and his family, it is ALWAYS about money. A new report has confirmed that the Trump Organization was in talks to build several luxury hotels in the country of Israel before the attack on October 7th last year and the subsequent year of bloody conflict. Trump has come out with unconditional support for Israel, but now we know that it has nothing to do with either side of the conflict - it is just about him getting to put up hotels. Farron Cousins discusses this.

Yeah, Trump will bring peace to the region.

[in2herbs]

106. This is likely why tfg hasn't signed the ethics agreement for a peaceful transition. He'll

lose a lot of money not being able to grift.

[TomSlick]

112. That's probably right but it doesn't make sense.

Trump has never lived up to any agreement or contract. Why have scruples now?

[Linda ladeewolf]

33. Well,

He did know how to fry chicken! If you got to go, might as well go with the best, or something like that.

[Eko]

90. For the life of me I can't understand why they didn't vote for us!

With such wonderful thoughts as “Maybe they can all be in the same cattle car”. I mean we gave them seats at the table didn’t we?
Republicans that spoke at the DNC
Stephanie Grisham - White House Press Secretary (2019-2020)
Ana Navarro - Political commentator/talk show host
John Giles - Mayor of Mesa, Arizona (2014-present)
Olivia Troye - Former Trump administration official
Geoff Duncan - Lieutenant Governor of Georgia (2019-2023)
Adam Kinzinger - U.S. Representative from Illinois (2011-2023)

But elected Democrats that were Palestinian and were part of the uncommitted delegates that said if they were allowed to speak would support Kamala were not allowed to that table.
We sure reached out to them and gave them a seat.

[Sundance1220]

186. Wait a minute

It's not as if they stayed home. Over half threw away their vote, another 20+% actually voted for the rapist. And you want to blame the convention? When the other side has treated Muslims like animals? I see you have no problem bashing bibi and I agree with you there but you make ZERO mention of what's on the other side in terms of leadership. The uncomfortable truth is hamas is the elected government and will never agree to a ceasefire that doesn't keep them in charge. It appears the Muslim community must be fine with that given the way they voted.

[Eko]

221. I never said it was just the convention.

I'm saying what seat did we give them at the table!? None!. What did we say we would do to help assuage their concerns? The same thing that is going on now. "We will continue to work towards ending this we while give Israel 12.5 billion in military aid and 5.7 billion for missile defense in just 2024." When they had friends and family being bombed and killed and made homeless what did we say we would do for them? Nothing. Israel would just keep killing their friends and family while we funded them and we would keep talking about working towards stopping the war. We would change nothing and,,,,,,, we wouldn't even give them a voice in our party. Not even our elected Democrats. We had an Israeli American family who's son was a hostage of hamas speak at the DNC and rightfully so. We didn't have a single Palestinian American speak. Not Michigan congresswoman Rashida Tlaib , not any of the Uncommitted elected Democrats, not any Palestinian American at all. We pretty much just told them to fuck right the hell off and by the way we also expect your votes. For them, what would change? Was Harris giving any kind of plan to stop the war or even put the full pressure on Israel that the US can do with what? 18 billion in aid? Was Harris saying anything that would make someone think that the status quo that has been around since the 70's where we just give money to Israel and they continue to do what they have been doing would change? And yes, I made zero mention of hamas, you know why? My GOVERNMENT does not give 18 billion to them. My GOVERNMENT does not give them access to the highest military hardware out there. And there was not a single candidate that ran that said they wanted to support hamas. This conversation was about the election and people that did not vote at all or like we wanted and last I checked hamas was not part of our election. Everyone in America should have voted for Harris but they didn't but don't act like we gave the Palestinian Americans anything other than the cold shoulder in this election. And last, yes, I think a lot of Palestinians would be happier with the war ending and hamas staying in charge as shitty as that would be. At least they wouldnt be where they are now. Homeless, hungry, thirsty, maimed, wounded and dead. Or are you going to show me how things have been better for them for the last year? In the end I guess it comes down to $18 billion reasons why they thought Harris wasn't going to do anything. But hey, vote for us.

[Eko]

114. Now say the same thing but about the Jewish people that didnt vote for us!

Personally I think you ought to rethink what you said and maybe rephrase it a bit.
Just to add, the title is

[ck4829]

4. We should have done more, sorry to say. We failed the Muslim-American community.

Israel is not as innocent as we would like to believe, Netanyahu is facing the ICC too.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

And this whole thing about Israel trying to be friends with Russia despite Russia arming the Houthis and allied to Iran will need an answer by us. I think cutting aid should be on the table over that too. Let's stop pretending this is not an issue. We're putting another country in front of Americans.

[mcar]

9. "We" did not fail the Muslim-American community

Our leaders were unceasing in working toward a ceasefire and release of hostages.

Instead, they voted for a guy who promised to let Netanyahu do whatever he wants in Gaza.

[PortTack]

60. 👍👍👍👍

[lapfog_1]

70. I believe the exact quote was "finish the job"

from Trump to Netanyahu.

For those that translate that to "stop the war"... they will be mistaken.

For the rest of us who translate that to "actually DO the genocide"... all we can do is protest and cry.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

116. He already was doing the genocide. Trump just wants him to finish it quickly.

[AloeVera]

80. Netanyahu has already done everything he wanted.

Not much more he can do to Gaza now except bulldoze the ruins along with the corpses of children, civilians, Hamas. And of course ethnically cleanse the whole Strip. It's already done in the north, with the whole world watching. They will not be allowed to return.

I was reading today that Gaza smells like corpses. The smell is everywhere.

So what's Trump gonna do again?

I'll tell you something unpopular. People can blame the Muslims and Palestinians all they want. They voted their conscience and it didn't even make a difference. But they are being scapegoated and that's par for the course.

Something else too to ponder is the dissonance between working hard for a ceasefire while providing thousands of 2000 lb bombs and never conditioning funding or supply of weapons to even the basics of international or humanitarian law.

Perhaps when we find out the death toll is in the hundreds of thousands, not tens, we will all grow a conscience but it will be too late to save Palestinians. It's too late already.

[Beastly Boy]

102. They chose the weirdest way to vote their conscience.

It's as if they didn't consult their conscience before they voted it.

[JI7]

146. They voted based on their opposition to lgbt

so for them that's their conscience.

We should just be honest and stop with the fake concern over Gaza.

If they had real concern over Gaza they would untie in support of 2 states and get rid of the extremists.

[kelly1mm]

176. While continuing to send the weapons the IDF uses in Gaza? Look I am actually semi-pro-Israel in this

but to pretend that 'Our leaders were unceasing in working toward a ceasefire and release of hostages' while sending arms to one side is disingenuous at best.

[peggysue2]

206. Exactly!

They voted for a guy who promised Netanyahu carte blanche and whose son-in-law, Kushner, can't wait to develop the Gaza Strip into a Middle Eastern version of the French Riviera. That would require deporting the Palestinian population, of course. To God knows where. But deportation seems to be very popular in our Brave New World.

The vote for Trump will produce tragic results, here and around the world. And our own citizens (not the fire-brand ideologues) will be winking and blinking in disbelief as their own lives are diminished and ruined.

This Is The House That Ignorance Built. There's a reason Donald Trump said he loved his uneducated, devotion-blinded supporters.

Because in this New World, all things are possible for those who hold the levers of power.

[Pototan]

12. Ya, why couldn't we figure out

how to lose the Jewish vote, not just the Muslims.

Look, I know how difficult and complicated this issue is. The election is over. The Muslims made their choices.

Now, comes Trump. Maybe he'll do nothing against the Muslims. The last time I stood with them and lost white male friends.

If the worst happens again, I won't donate a dime or lift a finger for them.

Netanyahu is Trump's friend, and he purposely put us in a bind. But the Muslims made a statement in this election, and now it's my turn.

I can't tell you how pissed off I am.

[Buckeyeblue]

15. Sadly, I cannot disagree with you

If/when Trump decides to ban individuals from predominantly Muslim counties from coming into the US or cancels visas and deports people from those counties, I won't be happy. But...when Middle-Eastern-Americans complain, I'm going to tell them to call Jill Stein. Because I can promise you Jill Stein doesn't give a fuck.

[Big Blue Marble]

84. This is a very sad response formed in anger.

These are people who have lost many family members in this war. The Moslems
are very vulnerable now in the US, for us to turn on them in anger goes against our
democratic values. To turn against them now, empowers the the Trump dystopia
where we turn against each other. That is exactly what Trump wants and how
autocracy wins by dividing and conquering.

[SoFlaBro]

87. They fucking worked in direct contradiction to working to elect Democrats. Isn't that the fuck why we are here?

[Big Blue Marble]

88. Are not Democrats here to protect the vulnerable regardless of ethnicity?

[SoFlaBro]

95. That's why we fucking elect more and more Democrats. To fucking help people.

[Pototan]

98. Don't pull that race card with me

I'm not pissed at the Muslim Americans because of their race. I've supported them as a community since 9/11.

I'm ambivalent to their coming plight. But I will enjoy seeing how they deal with their new friend.

[SoFlaBro]

167. You're right, I have no fucking problem at all with them being Muslim These won't fucking help us as Democrats.

[AloeVera]

207. You're ambivalent about them being fully genocided?

Kicked out of the little remaining homeland that has not yet been stolen?

I see.

Speaking of ambivalence, there has been plenty of that for 13 months. Enough to allow a genocide and recently ethnic cleansing too. We now see the result.

Very few here want to acknowledge that white elephant of cause and effect. It's much easier and satisfying to blame the Muslims and engage in schadenfreud of what's coming to "them". I see that on this thread and I find that sad and heartbreaking.

[Beastly Boy]

217. The ambivalence likely comes with a fuller understanding what the term "genocide" actually means.

Something that is lost on people who habitually devalue the term to a mere generic pejorative.

[TheKentuckian]

101. They did the political equivalent of a suicide bomber attack

Fuck their death to America bullshit.

They wants it, they gets it.

[Duncan Grant]

142. ***This is outrageous bigotry and racism.***

Your enemy is the dominant culture/hegemony; not marginalized people.

There are millions of white Christian people who f*cked you over with a Jesus hard-on. You’ll tolerate that, but the Muslim suicide bombers ruined your election? Bullshit. How come you don’t have a problem with the white people that betrayed you? They’re the ones who could have made a difference. The ones so disengaged in their privilege that they might as well be anesthetized.

For fuck’s sake. I knew the right-wing was deplorable, but this?! 🤮

[SoFlaBro]

166. I don't understand what you're getting at here.

[TheKentuckian]

169. When did white folks get a pass from me?

Who do you think the Republicans consist of?

I got no love for Charlottesville in Birkenstocks that are supposedly allies either.

Nor have I ever displayed a bit of patience for the slaves of avarice that call themselves socially liberal but fiscally conservative that shiv us for a buck.

That doesn't get their new footpads grace.
Nope, in fact it is efficient to pick off the weakest parts.

I'm taking it very directly personally, the political suicide bombers are the subject at hand.
When you start your white traitors, deserters, and enemies thread I'm sure I will have something to add.

[Pototan]

86. I think we agree

Last edited Sat Nov 9, 2024, 05:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Maybe I didn't make clear that my reply was sarcastic.

[JI7]

143. Jewish Voters are mostly liberal. Muslims are mostly conservative

[Pototan]

157. Then why shoould we support people who don't support us

or our values. LGBTQ rights and women's rights. If you want to be in a coalition as broad as the Democratic Party, you need to make some concessions. We can never win an election when the Racists and Bigots vote against, and a large portion of their victims do too.

I'm sorry to say, some people have to learn the hard way.

[Omnipresent]

160. So these conservative muslims voted for a Jewish liberal?

[Biophilic]

13. I think very few of us think Israel is innocent.

Joe was caught between an obligation to an ally and a humanitarian crisis. Not a winning situation when our “ally” was working to destroy any peace plans.

[Sundance1220]

188. Feel free to educate me as to when

hamas agreed to any ceasefire or peace plan. I see you have plenty of blame to throw in bibi's face but none to the Palestinians themselves - those that made a terrorist organization their leader who now refuse any deal that doesn't keep them in power.

[Biophilic]

191. Where the heck in my post did you think I was a hamas supporter.

I think they are simply evil with no thought of right or wrong. I wasn't even talking about bibi, but rather the choice Biden had to make as the President of the US. Often not an easy position in world politics where very little is black and white.

[Sundance1220]

195. I didn't call you a hamas supporter

so you can take those words out of my mouth. I said you have plenty of blame on one side and NONE on the other and wanted to know why. Biden was supporting an ally.

[Biophilic]

197. Because I wasn't talking about either bibi or hamas.

I was commenting on the no win situation that Joe Biden was caught in. I have done my best to stay out of the numerous discussions on DU regarding the situation in the Middle East. Most conversations, even here on DU, have been emotionally driven with little to no chance of reaching any kind of understanding.

[Sundance1220]

213. You said Israel was

responsible for there being no ceasefire. Not even close to reality. Hamas refuses anything that doesn't leave them in power which is never going to happen and they have nobody to blame but themselves.

[Biophilic]

215. Yes, I agree. Hamas does not want a ceasefire.

[Sundance1220]

222. Their leadership, the people

They elected started a war. I'm sure there were plenty of civilian children in Japan and Germany that suffered due to the action of their leaders, that doesn't mean you don't fight them. That's war.

And now they've alienated those who gave a crap. Brilliant strategy. Now even fewer care. Hope the hissy fit was worth it.

[Pototan]

14. I don't vote in Israel

[yardwork]

17. Bullshit.

[karynnj]

19. We could not have stopped Netanyahu or Israel

Not to mention Hamas attacked Israel with a brutal, murderous attack on civilians including children. That attack killed a higher percent of Israelis than the percent of Americans killed. They knew the price would be extremely high and put everyone in Gaza at risk.

Biden understood this very well when he implicitly compared the attack to 911 and expressed hope Israel would avoid our mistake. It was within weeks that Gaza was in ruins and tens of thousands of people were dead, more wounded, and food very low leading to starvation.

Even had we followed the Leahy act and cut aid, it likely would have not had a big effect on the election. Still more than 40000 Palestinians would have been killed. Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis are all terrorists. Biden sincerely did all he could to avoid a regional war and get a ceasefire.

It would be impossible to overstate the pain, anger and rage of Palestinians here. Many lost innocent family members. The myth that the US can do anything leads them to blame our in power leaders for not being able to prevent what happened.

Even had Biden used the Leahy Act and had the US vote against Israel in the UN, not enough would have happened to secure the votes of Muslim Americans and far left allies. Neither of these actions would have changed much in Gaza. Politically, Biden would have lost even more Evangelical vote.

There is no way Biden would NOT have led the coalition that twice helped Israel mostly avoid the 2 Iranian attacks.

[NoSheep]

42. I can't square how "we failed the Muslim-America community" when the polls say they voted 3rd party and orange asshole

Did somebody hit their head on something? I don't understand. My motive here is only to understand, not to argue with you.

[AloeVera]

85. Look at Gaza for a clue.

While you're looking at the ruins, you might see the faint traces of all those red lines that were crossed and buried under the corpses.

[JI7]

144. They voted for Trump so obviosly their concern wasn't for Gaza

[Sundance1220]

189. How does voting third party

or directly for a rapist help the Palestinians?

[AloeVera]

190. That is the wrong question imo.

Of course you and I know it won't. I'm very saddened about that, I assume you are too. Being a Democrat and liberal, you would value justice, fairness, human rights and the right to self-determination.

The right question imo would be "what made the Arabs/Muslims act irrationally and turn against their own self-preservation and interest?

I mean it's a totally self-defeating action. Are they just stupid or something? Or could it be that something so horrible was allowed to be done to them that they not only cannot think rationally but are willing to take such a gamble in the hopes that ANYTHING would be better than what they got so far.

What would we do in their shoes might be the second correct question.

[Beastly Boy]

192. So your excuse is that they were acting irrationally.

Are you excusing people whose irrational actions resulted in irreparable harm to the rest of Americans and the world?

...I am beginning to understand the role of the irrational when you expend so much effort to rationalize the inexcusable.

[RandomNumbers]

50. Hamas failed the Palestinians. If the Muslim-American community is basing

a feeling of being "failed" by someone on what is going on in Gaza, they need to fucking look at fucking HAMAS.

In what depraved thinking were the actions of October 7th EVER okay?

I am not saying that Israel's response was moral. BUT ALL HAMAS HAD TO DO - ALL PALESTINIANS HAD TO DO - was RETURN THE HOSTAGES ALIVE - AND SUBMIT THE RAPISTS AND MURDERERS TO JUSTICE.

Israel would have had ZERO grounds for their assault had they done that. The hostages and those brutally raped, mutilated, tortured and murdered, were INNOCENT - at least of any crime warranting how they were extrajudicially punished by THE PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT - AKA HAMA.

And just what the FUCK was America and BIDEN supposed to do about it? We were put in a BOX. By the PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT, AKA HAMAS.

If Muslim-Americans want to blame someone, that's where they need to look. Instead, they were sheep voting for the wolf.

[EX500rider]

136. Not to mention what number of the American Muslims protested Hamas evil actions? They celebrated instead..

Are they surprised that after they have sown the wind, they shall reap the whirlwind?

Meanwhile:
Gaza’s top Islamic scholar issues fatwa criticizing 7 October attack
The most prominent Islamic scholar in Gaza has issued a rare, powerful fatwa condemning Hamas’s 7 October 2023 attack on Israel, which triggered the devastating war in the Palestinian territory.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4vw1l8xvdo

[Prairie Gates]

78. Agreed...Democrats decided that a pro-Israel vote was more important

That's not a value judgment. It's a fact.

We all make decisions. That was the decision of Biden and the DNC. You have to live with your decisions.

[EllieBC]

93. So the community doesn't care about women

or LGBTQ or voting rights, is what you’re saying.

Well fuck them then. They had no problem throwing everyone else under the bus so fuck them.

[Freethinker65]

132. Nope, they failed themselves by voting for candidates that dont give one fuck about Muslims unless they have money/oil

[Happy Hoosier]

185. Well, they sure showed us!!!!

This was a momumental example of "cutting off one's nose, to spite one's face."

They will need allies quite soon. They can look elsewhere as far as I am concerned.

[Dem4life1234]

5. How stupid

Voting on a worthless third party candidate who would never win. A vote for the third party narcissist is a vote for the orange lard who instilled a Muslim ban, whose party had been trashing Muslims for decades.


That had fucked up Michigan for us.

[JohnSJ]

10. I think we will win the Senate race in Arizona, but that damn Green Party candidate got 2% of the vote, and it will be

close, which is unbelievable against that nut Kari Lake.

[mcar]

6. So, they want Gaza to be turned into a parking lot?

I hope their protest vote meets expectations.

[LexVegas]

7. The anti Biden, evil West propaganda was all over the place, geared toward helping Trump. nt

[JohnSJ]

8. same here, I can hardly wait.

[Liberal In Texas]

11. Well, I guess they sent a message.

It may be the last one they send before being shipped off somewhere.

[underpants]

16. Saw a Stein electronic billboard in Georgia "Stop the Genocide"

That was the only Stein advertising I saw. This was in MTG’s district. I guess they were trying to peel off water Harris votes come from there.

[yardwork]

18. Many Muslim voters are wealthy.

There's a misconception that Muslim voters are impoverished refugees. If they're voting, they are U.S. citizens. They have businesses. They're doctors and lawyers. They send their kids to expensive private schools. They were wealthy and privileged in their countries of origin, and they came to the U.S. to make money.

Their social and religious beliefs make them natural allies of the Republican Party.

They won't be deported. They are citizens. They will rise in the ranks of the Republican Party,

[Pototan]

24. Who said they will be dported

There will be a travel Ban.

If Muslims hue so closely to Republican doctrine, why did the Republicans get so few votes. The Muslim vote didn't go to Trump. It went to Stein.

By the way, if they're so well off and are Doctors and such, and they're so interested in Gaza. no one is stopping them from "joining the fight."

Low income
33% of American Muslims have a household income of $30,000 or less, compared to 26% of the general public.

Income distribution
20% of American Muslims have a household income of $100,000 or more, similar to other groups except Jewish Americans (44%).

Race
Black Muslims are more likely to have low income than white and Asian Muslims.

Education
46% of American Muslims have a college degree or higher, similar to other groups except Jewish Americans (60

[yardwork]

67. Those data mix American Black Muslims with immigrant Muslims.

The two groups are very different.

[Mosby]

71. And a large group is being ignored.

Kind of dovetails with your prior post. That group is Arab Christians. Between 60-75% of Arabs Americans are Christian. Maronites from Lebanon, Chaldeans from Iraq and Copts from Syria and Egypt. All were chased out of the ME by their Muslim "friends". They made up the first wave of Arab immigration to the US in the late 19th and 20th centuries.

The second and third waves of Arab immigration came from Africa and South Asia, and are predominantly Muslim. Almost 60% are first gen Americans. They come from a myriad of countries, Pakistan, India, Iran and Afghanistan are the most common origins.

[yardwork]

75. Similarly, there is a misconception that Israelis are all European Jews.

Israelis include Muslims, Hindus, Christians, and others. Many of them have been there forever.

[Pototan]

74. Splitting hairs

You didn't answer the question that I asked. If Muslims are so close to Republicans, why did they vote Stein instead of Trump?

Then there's this, from 2020 exit polls, rendering your argument absurd. Biden 86%, Trump 6%. Muslims don't seem to be too Republican leaning to me.

https://emgageusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Muslim-Voters-Survey-Memo-2.pdf

[yardwork]

77. It's not splitting hairs.

American Black Muslims are very, very different from Muslim immigrants.

If your data is correct, then almost 70% of Muslims voted against the Democrat, allowing Trump to be elected. That's even higher than the percent of white men who voted against Harris. Sounds pretty Trumpy to me.

And, no data from 2020 renders any opinion about 2024 absurd. A lot has changed in four years.

[Pototan]

97. Oh, I see

If the Muslim culture is conducive to voting Republican, why did Muslim's, for decades, vote 10 to 1 for the Democrat?

And if they're so "Trumpy", why didn't they vote for Trump. They voted for Stein.

Please, you're twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to make a point that doesn't exist.

It's just so simple. Muslims voted for Stein as a protest vote because of the US government's support for Israel. Biden, and then Harris, had to choose between abandoning an ally or trying to work for a cease fire. Netanyahu helped elect Trump with his actions, as well as keep himself in power and out of jail. The Muslims helped elect Trump by voting 3rd party. The American Muslims sent a message, loud and clear. I heard it.

Maybe Trump won't go after their community with bans and deportation (yes, I'm sure there are more than a few undocumented in Dearborn). When that day comes, and they look for support, they'll hear my message loud and clear.

You're on your own.

[Mosby]

119. Muslim Americans helped elect George Bush in 2000.

Muslim Americans are historically conservative, they tend to be libertarian, patriarchal and socially conservative. After 9/11, they were supportive at first, but that changed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/muslims-helped-elect-george-w-213310754.html

[Pototan]

122. From your own posting

Well before the the boastful billionaire leading the GOP polls stoked a new wave of anti-Muslim sentiment, Muslims soured on the party. A 2011 Pew Research Center survey found that only 11% of American Muslims identified with the Republican Party, compared with 70% who considered themselves Democrats and 19% who were independent.

I don't know. Did you read your own link?

[Mosby]

123. They switched back to the Democratic party

After Bush responded to 9/11 by taking on al Queda and deposing Saddam. Prior to 2000 they were mostly reliable Republicans, but they waffled a bit.

Interestingly, the publisher of the Arab American News said that Bush was quite popular, and Bush himself told the publisher (Osama Siblani) that he would finish the job in Iraq that his father started¹. Siblani later published an endorsement for Bush.

¹ American Islam: The Struggle for the Soul of a Religion, Paul M. Barrett

[TheKentuckian]

174. Stein, Chump, Putin...it all spends the same

[Dem4life1234]

45. Well ...

Many Jewish people are well off, what stopped them from voting for orange rapist or supporting the useless turd party candidate? The vast majority supported Kamala.

Many well off educated people support the Dem party.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

20. I'm imagining Niemoller popping corn.

They should make everyone's votes public for organizing/support/oppression purposes.

[spudspud]

22. Wouldn't be surprised if he forcibly deports anyone of Palestinian descent regardless of citizenship...

and claims its a national security issue/foreign enemies bs. And I have little faith if "the system" to stop him.

[JI7]

23. They are celebrating and saying they don't have to worry about their son wearing a dress

that's the real reason for how they voted.

The one's that voted for Harris are the ones actually concerned about things like Gaza and the Muslim ban. They also thought of others like the Haitians that have been attacked by Trump.

[Solly Mack]

25. A Muslim ban would still be wrong regardless of how Americans who practice Islam voted.

[Duncan Grant]

64. Agree, publicly. I thought this would be obvious. (nt)

[Pototan]

124. A Muslim Ban would be wrong, I agree

my OP does not suggest it's not a moral outrage.

What my OP declares is that I don't much care what their plight is. I will not support a Muslim Ban, but I won't raise my voice in opposition, either.

I figure this is more the responsibility for Jill Stein and I wouldn't want to usurp her authority.

[Solly Mack]

125. Yes. I know what you were saying. I understood fully.

[Duncan Grant]

139. This is dishonest. If you don't oppose a Muslim ban, you're complicit.

There are millions of white Christians who failed this country. Yours is a selective outrage.

You won’t support a Muslim ban, but you won’t oppose it either. That is to say, you support Muslim bans.

This is the worst of what DU has to offer. I’m disgusted to see it here.

[Pototan]

140. If you didn't vote for Harris you're complicit

I protested and opposed the last Muslim Ban. But referring to President Biden as "Genocide Joe" made this a bridge too far for me. That was disgusting. Then the vote proved that the entire Muslim community was on board with this sentiment. Let's get something straight, I acknowledge that they have a right to their opinion. I also have a right to mine. When Muslims are looking for allies when Trump comes down on them, my reply is "I don't care."

I don't know how more explicit I can make this.

[Duncan Grant]

145. Pathetic excuses.

And you’re still not talking about the white people who could have voted for Harris in droves—had they not slept thru an election in blankets of privilege.

[Pototan]

148. I don't expect to get a majority of white voters

that's Trump's base. I just don't expect a "white people" travel ban

I do expect that the people we stuck our necks out for to stand with us.

Now, they can pound sand when they need help.

[Duncan Grant]

152. So many white people getting away with it. How trumpian.

Millions of white Christian people didn’t vote for Harris, either. They’re ungrateful and disloyal, too. After all, we stuck our necks out to secure their safety, health and prosperity. You want to win elections? Start with the entitled and profoundly ignorant white people.

And why were white woman abandoning the Democratic Party? We stuck our necks out for them, too. Are we to support policies that hurt them further, or not be bothered by their suppression and persecution? I demand satisfaction and obedience. They owe it and I earned it. (Extending the absurdity to accentuate this line of non-thinking.)

[Pototan]

155. I don't know why you don't understand

what part of "I don't care" what policies are trained onto Muslim Americans. I don't encourage it, but I will not get involved. Think of it this way, the next time they need support from me, I'm voting 3rd party.

[TheKentuckian]

175. Far tougher target. Pick off the low hanging fruit.

[LeftInTX]

147. I'm sorry. They knew what they were gettijg into

Exactly. They want to get revenge against Democrats.

[Duncan Grant]

153. Revenge? Who wants revenge against whom?

They could say the same.

Again, there were millions of votes in the white community to win this election handily — and who are we focused on? Do people not see the entitlement in expecting/requiring Muslim votes but not white Christian votes?

[LeftInTX]

162. They are the only voting group that has a war in their

land. They knew Trump would be disastrous. White Christians don't care about Gazs.

[TheKentuckian]

138. There is a lot of wrong and plenty more coming down the line.

Priority of triage for me isn't with the political suicide bombers or the wannabe white useful idiots and racist machismo set either.

Time and resources are not infinite.

[-misanthroptimist]

26. That's a bold move, Muslims

Let's see how that plays out for you!

My guess: You screwed yourselves.

[Johnny2X2X]

27. So done with people

I am a white collar upper middle class straight male. I have been fighting for a voting for the rights of others for my entire adult life. I have voted for gay rights. Trans rights. Women’s rights. The rights immigrants. The rights of minorities. The rights of Muslims. On and on.

It makes it tough. I’ll continue to fight for those same groups rights. But Jesus is it going to be hard not tell people to STFU when they start complaining about the awful things Trump is inflicting on them.

[Captain Zero]

156. What Trump inflicts on unions?

I want my union 'friends' who voted for him to whine about it to him, not me, not their union leaders.

[Pototan]

158. I'm on board

absolutley

[mucifer]

28. I don't like these kinds of posts. The fact is trump got a large percent of the white vote

So IMO people shouldn't go after other groups especially if their own group isn't in order.

I do realize lots of us posting on this thread are in varying degrees of marginalized groups.

I'm Jewish and I am not going to attack Muslims. I feel this thread is very simplistic and also divisive.

That said, this is a discussion board and people have the right to discuss and voice their opinions.

[DownriverDem]

34. I live right

next to Dearborn MI. My own city is now more diverse too. They said their vote was a warning. Now they will be sorry.

[TheKentuckian]

137. I certainly have not given white folks a pass.

In fact, they are the mainstream of the problem but were already accounted for as such and only have a minority as allies in the first place.

[Pototan]

161. With 76 Recs

it looks like there are quite of few who disagree with you.

As for whites, not all white people are racists, but almost all racists are white. I don't expect them to vote for us if they are racists.

It just burns my ass that the victims that Democrats try protecting them from vote against us. Fine. Next Muslim Ban you're on your own.

[mathematic]

29. Why should I trust a CAIR poll on this? They endorsed the Palestinian attacks of 10/7

Awad said in part, "The people of Gaza only decided to break the siege the walls of the concentration camp on October 7. Yes, I was happy to see people breaking the siege and throwing down the shackles of their own land and walk free into their own land that they were not allowed to walk in. And yes, the people of Gaza have the right to self-defense, have the right to defend themselves, and yes, Israel as an occupying power does not have that right to self-defense."

CAIR obviously has an agenda and it's to make it seem like the muslim vote is gettable by adopting Stein's political positions. A truly delusional take on electoral politics.

[no_hypocrisy]

30. Voting to make a point vs. practicality

[jrthin]

31. I have to watch paint dry. Can't do anything to help.

[DownriverDem]

32. The Muslim ban

is on his to do list. What fools.

[Tetrachloride]

35. There's quite a variety of views here and therefore a lot to disagree with.

most people have high blood pressure for the foreseeable future. this is bad

[Beck23]

39. Not me

I have to buy some popcorn.

[onecaliberal]

36. They will get what they voted for. Just like the Latino men.

All I will say is this is what you wanted; not me. Tots and pears.

[LeftInTX]

43. Very different groups

Latino men actually trend GOP. This was not a "protest"vote. The Latino community is changing. They want low prices, more border security, less crime etc. They want what Trump promises.

Muslims protested a war in Gaza. They will not get what they want.

[onecaliberal]

46. They want low prices and vote for the party of the rich.

If that isn’t some crazy ass shit I don’t know what is.

[Dem4life1234]

49. Machismo is a big thing in their cultures

Some don't like the LGBT. Some don't want women in power and to know their place.

I don't buy that border security and crime part. Rethugs voted against border security to spite the Dems and you have a whole pedo criminal as the face of the party.


They want low prices yet support a bunch of rich people who don't give a shit about them. It was primarily the Dems who made it possible for them to even be allowed in this country. Talk about ungrateful.

[LeftInTX]

51. Latnos are not here or are citizens because of.

Democrats.
Most are citizens due to the 14th Amendent
Many became citizens because of Reagan

Since 1986, it is either birth right or piecemeal citizenship.

Many Muslims are here due to LBJ, but not Latinos

[Dem4life1234]

68. It's Dems that fight for immigration

[LeftInTX]

99. My husband's family came 100 years ago. So did many others . Also many don't support immigration.

[Dem4life1234]

103. Well they are stupid for not supporting immigration

Once again, it was Dems who made it happen.

100 years ago is recent in the grand scheme of things.

[LeftInTX]

108. Italians were the same way. No one beats up on them.

Additionally Democrats had nothing to do with the southern border in the early 20th century. It was porous depending on work needs. Anyone could sneak in too. If you had kids born here, they were US citizens.

[Pototan]

127. And when it comes to violent immigrant "gangs"

I don't know. Anyone heard of the Mafia?

[LeftInTX]

128. I'm not talking literally!

I'm talking about how everyone on DU is figuratively beating up on Latino voters, as if they are "required" to vote Democratic. They're treated as if "they owe" the party. It seems a bit racist and condescending to me.

Italians came at the same time and under similar type circumstances and no one is saying that the Italians owe us votes.

[Pototan]

129. Oh, I am speaking literally

I'm Italian American and have scores of relatives. When they start talking about immigration I remind them of the history.

Did you know that there was no comprehensive immigration laws at all in the US until the mid 1920's? The laws were instituted to keep Eastern Europeans out, especially Italians.

[LeftInTX]

133. Yes. I know. I'm Armenian.

1/2 of my family was kept out and they ended up.doing some not legal stuff to get in.

However those laws didn't apply to Mexico and Canada. Mexico provided cheap labor. And when there wasn't work, often they would return home or would be rounded up and shipped to Mexico via bus or rail. (No formal deportions)

[Pototan]

134. Well, we'll see what Trump does

he'll either go back on his word or create a crisis.

[LeftInTX]

135. US citizens aren't going anywhere.

[Sundance1220]

193. The problem isn't LEGAL immigration

You'll have to search far and wide to find anyone against that. But when my grandparents came in the early 1900s, they did it LEGALLY. Hispanics that came in legally are tired of those coming in without documentation getting in the front of the line after they've done things by the book. I've spoken to many legal immigrants in AZ that have openly said this.

[surfered]

37. Trump will give Netanyahu free rein and the fate of innocent Gazans will be worse

[onecaliberal]

47. Gaza will be flattened, whatever is left.

Everyone killed.

[soandso]

111. They won't all be killed

The goal is to make it unlivable, drive the remainder out, and that has been achieved.

[soandso]

109. He already has free rein

and has used it. Gaza is mostly destroyed (and deprived of food), over 40K dead in Gaza (probably much higher), not sure how many in the West Bank but they're getting killed, too, and now they're bombing Lebanon with over a million being displaced there. They also regularly bomb Syria and have for years. How much more free rein does it get? Israel does whatever the fuck it wants.

Middle eastern descent Muslims know that it makes no difference what party is in power when it comes to unconditional support for Israel so they protested that by voting for Stein (not Trump). Will it change anything? Doubt it but they wanted to be heard.

[Sundance1220]

194. You DO realize that it's not for no reason

that bibi attacked gaza, don't you? THEIR leaders led and engaged in a border incursion that led to rape, murder, mutilation and the taking of hostages. They've also been shooting rockets and missiles into southern Israel since Israel UNILATERALLY left Gaza to the Palestinians. Hezbollah in Lebanon has been shooting THOUSANDS of rockets into northern Israel for a couple of decades, same with Syria. Let's not pretend Israel has wonderful neighbors that look to live in peace with the Jewish nation. They've been attacking and going to war with Israel since the day of their Independence.

[Beck23]

38. Trump will tell Netanyahu to finish 'the job'

The job means genocide. Talk about voting against your own self interest!

[ananda]

40. It wasn't exactly a secret that Trump and Netanyahu were best buds.

The irony is just off the wall on this.

[Norbert]

41. I am so tired of Democrats having to toe a rigid line

while trump can say any crazy thought in his head and get away with it.

Muslims need to pick fights better than this. We can't help them unless they help themselves.

[Island Blue]

44. Zero sympathy for what comes next.

I truly hate that Trump has made me so damn bitter, but he has, so there’s that.

[onecaliberal]

48. For these groups, yes. Everyone knew.

[boston bean]

52. Dumb asses is all I can say.

[oasis]

83. +1, and thanx, my thoughts exactly.

[Oopsie Daisy]

53. I wonder if the "Vote Uncommitted" movement contributed to our loss in WI and MI *

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* and I wonder if those who promoted and encouraged this type of anti-Democratic party voter suppression are pleased with the outcome? I wonder how things might have been different if well-known Muslim community leaders, religious leaders AND politicians had chosen instead to put their support solidly behind the Democratic candidates.

As is almost always the case in situations like this... efforts to "punish Democrats" (for not being perfect) result in things being worse than before, and those disloyal voters and politicians end up creating great harm for the people and causes that they care (uh... "care'') the most about.

It's easy to tell that acting-out on the contempt for Democrats and the Democratic party ranks higher in their list of priorities than supporting candidates who actually have a chance of winning AND who are more sympathetic and supportive of their causes.

I hope the voters are paying attention.

[soandso]

113. It's a bit more than not being perfect

like not being pleased with some legislation. Gaza is obliterated and it could not have been done without US money and weapons. That's lethal foreign policy, hurting their own.

I don't know anything about how these people voted in the past. I would guess that most are Democrats but could be wrong on that. Assuming that's case, and they already don't approve of Republican foreign policy, they may feel betrayed, as in feeling like they gave the Democratic party their votes, in the past, and see Democrats supporting Israel, too. If so, the only way to rectify that is to stop supporting aid to Israel, which I don't see happening, so that means this might be an impasse and an impossible bloc of voters to make headway with.

[TheKentuckian]

170. Doesn't matter. The intent says all that needs to be said.

Bad allies where solidarity is always a one way street.

When the chips have been down in struggles the only back as a community is the one turned.

They are near white and far right except when they are out of favor with the masters of the universe.

[usregimechange]

54. On your own, good luck.

[Nasruddin]

55. Natural consequences

I don't like the mean spiritedness of this, but it does look like an opportunity for some natural consequences.

[markodochartaigh]

56. It's after the election, so

I will go ahead and post my thoughts.
In most cities the widespread protests were mostly non-Muslim US youth who had no idea where Gaza was three years ago. Much the same situation with Gaza has been going on for several years in Yemen, with US weapons sold to Saudi Arabia.

Gaza has been a powder keg for decades and it just happened to blow up on Putin's birthday, October 8. The tiktok protests gained enormous traction incredibly quickly.

The horrors and human tragedy are real, in Gaza, Israel, Yemen, and Ukraine.

But I believe that the popular tiktok protests were manipulated by the Authoritarian Axis of Evil, Putin, Trump's enablers, Netanyahu, Hamas leadership, Thiel, etc.

Edit: I think that social media manipulation is analogous to hurricanes recently. Hurricanes are strengthening more rapidly than predicted because of the unprecedented amount of energy (heat) in the system.
I think that we can expect social unrest to escalate more rapidly than expected because the energy is more focused and becomes self-amplifying. After Cambridge Analytica, I think that it would be naïve to think that techbros would not have studied ways to improve positive feedback loops and use them in manipulating public opinion.

[Arazi]

65. I said the protests were being driven by Putin and his minions

On DU long before the election…

It was obvious to me (and others here) that the protests were designed to fatally weaken Biden (then Harris).

You’re totally correct that future issues will be manipulated again and again with their huge success.

I’ll go further and say that there will be deliberate provocations beginning almost immediately after Trump’s inaugurated specifically to expose activists for arrest. The #1 action by authoritarians once they seize power is to eliminate the opposition. Low-hanging fruit to instigate some deliberate provocation so Trump can enact the Insurrection Act and begin to eliminate opposition grass roots organizers right from the start

[markodochartaigh]

94. I totally agree.

I wrote a post more than a year ago about how I felt about the sudden, widespread appearance of the protests and what I felt was behind them. From the replies I decided not to say anything else in order not to be labeled an anti-Semitic troll.

I believe that the Black Lives Matter protests, and especially the protests in Portland had agents provocateurs who incited much of the violence and property damage. I believe that at least one was caught and exposed. I see the role of human agent provocateur being outsourced to AI in large part.
And, of course, we shouldn't forget the NSA data center in Utah which is capable of storing more than a dozen exabytes of data. It seems entirely possible that the NSA could be weaponized by an authoritarian Strong Leader. And whatever the NSA says about anyone, most people will believe, because they have all the information on everyone.

[yardwork]

110. Agreed. Several of us here have been saying this since October 2023.

The supposed "grass roots" pro-Palestinian protests that erupted the day after Hamas massacred and tortured Israelis were clearly coordinated and planned in advance. Identical talking points, emojis, and motifs spread through TikTok and Twitter instantly.

If the protests had truly been spontaneous, they would have varied by geography and group. They did not vary. All instantly jumped on Israel. Truly spontaneous outcries are more confused, diverse, and varied in focus.

Several of us noted this at the time. We've suspected since it happened that Russia and Iran were behind the Hamas attacks and the anti-Israel propaganda. They knew that Netanyahu would do what he did. They knew it would put Biden in an impossible position and hurt his campaign. It worked. The fact that Jill Stein was promoted as the 3rd party spoiler also points to Russia.

All undemocratic roads lead to Russia. The Road to Unfreedom.

[LisaM]

159. I don't think most of the protestors could find Gaza on a map now.

Those "protests" did not pass the smell test with me right from the beginning, especially with the anti-Semitism that went along with it.

[dlk]

57. Apparently they didn't understand a vote for Stein was a vote for Trump

Cutting off their noses to spite their faces…. I’m afraid it won’t end well.

[kansasobama]

58. Sorry you are on your own, Tlaib supporters

I cared about you but when you stick a dagger to our democracy and voted for Trump, you lost me. I don't care about Gaza. Let Netanyahu do what he wants. Not to mention, it is still true Hamas attacked Israel. So, what do you expect now? Travel bans or Gaza protesters roundup by Trump, face the music. We told you so.

[PortTack]

59. You just voted to let bibi make Gaza into a parking lot...good job!

[AloeVera]

89. It will take 20 years to get rid of all the rubble.

Rubble with dead children decomposing vs parking lot. Hmmm...

What a choice for Palestinians and their kin or tribe in the US.

I somehow think the parking lot threat was the least of their worries.

[TheKentuckian]

105. They will.now see their assessment was grossly in error.

Well, except they don't really give a fuck about Gazans other than as bloody shirt to waive but they won't even have that for too long.

Bubbye!

[AloeVera]

118. You grossly missed my point.

Though you did reveal something very gross indeed.

[soandso]

115. It already is

[TheKentuckian]

141. Oh sweet summer child, that assessment is a drastic underestimation of possible outcomes.

Just because the carnage is beyond your ability to process doesn't mean it is within lightyears of worst coming to worst.

The whole thirteen month toll is about a week or ten days of the average for Nazi Germany.

Hell, Netanyahu has a gentler hand than I would if those hostages weren't released MONTHS ago.

[soandso]

163. He doesn't seem to be interested in the hostages

[TheKentuckian]

164. He would never do what I would to get them back or failing to

to achieve absolute certainty there would never be another one taken from that quarter and I'm only wicked if pressed.

[soandso]

165. What would you do?

[TheKentuckian]

171. I'll let you rest better for now.

[soandso]

173. Ha, I don't need any rest

and I'm genuinely curious what you would do if you think Netanyahu has gone too easy on Hamas and Palestinians and Hezbollah and in Lebanon. I know that from the outset I would have asked Hamas what they wanted to release the hostages and I don't think that was ever done (before a military response).

[TheKentuckian]

177. I would give them a week to release the hostages

and offer 100,000 grand and free passage to any who help lead to living hostages with the firm warning that the next action would be the separation of any child 9 and under if the hostages are not released and they are never coming back and will be reeducated and converted.

Make.it clear that 10 and up will share their fate.

This will take some time but once competed there would be another week.

If the attacks continued and the hostages are not released alive and whole then the next action would be a Nakba a day as long as the hostages stay and each hostage killed would be five Nakbas.

Rinse and repeat until the attacks cease and the hostages freed or the place is emptied.

Hell no, there is no asking hostages takers what they want. If they took hostages then what they wanted is to die gruesomely and to take as many of their people as possible to Paradise with them.

You would encourage hostage taking, my intent would be to make sure it is crystal clear taking hostages brings oblivion.

[soandso]

178. It's possible

to agree to what's wanted, get the hostages back alive (too late for many, now) and THEN carry your plans. That is not an agreement about your plan but saying get the hostages back first.

[TheKentuckian]

179. The plan is all about the release of the hostages.

If there are no hostages then there is no way the plan would be carried out.

This is all about destroying the practice.

Unconditional surrender is implied but it needs to be crystal clear that taking hostages is an invitation to annihilation and not even the most narrow path to the slightest benefit and an existential threat not only only of the current body but the future entirely.

[soandso]

180. But that could be done either way

Ask what they want, get the hostages back and then make sure they can never do it again.

[TheKentuckian]

182. Nope. You know what they want and that ain't happening

The point is not inhumane and evil cruelty for its own sake it is to end the hostage taking now and later and from all quarters.

[soandso]

183. What do they want?

I thought it was something like the release of Palestinian prisoners.

[TheKentuckian]

198. The destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews.

[soandso]

200. Well, the feeling is mutual

toward Palestinians from the Israeli right. Those are more like long term wishes, though, and have not been suggested in any negotiations.

[TheKentuckian]

211. No negotiating with terrorists. Oblivion for hostage takers.

[soandso]

212. Negotiating to get the hostages back

seems okay, to me. Once that's done, obliterate the hostage takers.

[TheKentuckian]

216. I have been clear.

[soandso]

219. Agreed. You have.

[JI7]

149. What makes you think they care about Gaza ?

they voted based on their opposition to lgbt.

[Klarkashton]

61. Stein will fix it for them now.

[bottomofthehill]

62. Fuck around and find out

We are at the find out stage for a lot of people. Muslims, Unions, working poor who rely on federal help, Hispanic males, Fuck around and find out, now we will find out.

[The Third Doctor]

63. When Trump brings back the Muslim ban.

I wonder what these voters will say?They voted with their feelings and not common sense.

[IzzaNuDay]

69. The dotard didn't waste any time in 2017

signed into law a travel ban from certain Muslim countries with a week after Inauguration Day 2017. No doubt Muslims are on the dotard’s target list for 2025

#wetoldyouso

[Ysabel]

66. damn we spent years thinking the Green Party...

was good until we realized they weren't and then we tried to tell our son (who we had convinced to vote green) to switch and vote completely Democratic again we told him Greens were involving themselves with Russia and he got mad at us and told us we were paranoid nuts and he wasn't going to sell out that we were just getting too old to know what was going on anymore it seems as if he has written me off as senile now and so I know I won't be able to count on any help from him in the future now either he and esp. his doctor fiance will just try to put me away somewhere hell no to that I say...

- my husband knows more politically than anyone I've ever known (he votes totally Democratic) and he keeps up with the news to the minute and isn't ever fooled by any bullshit (however sometimes he misses something and then I fill him in so it's really a two way thing) and I'm sticking with him for good!

[lees1975]

72. Won't be a problem if there is ever another election.

There will be no Muslim voters in Michigan. They'll be deported.

[Duncan Grant]

73. HiYa! Can we talk about white Christian people now?

I’m going to suggest a 180° turn here. This “othering” of Muslims is frightening. White supremacy is worthy of your attention today. Millions of votes lost there (unlike the Muslims).

Talk to your white friends and coworkers if you really want to make a difference. They’re the problem. Democrats who don’t vote. Christians who understand nothing about Christ’s ministry. It takes a lot more courage to do that. Better still, help trump voters understand all the things you believe Muslims don’t understand.

(Feel free to “other” me now for offering this suggestion. It’s familiar territory for queer people, like me.)

[AloeVera]

92. Bravo.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

76. Guess that worked out well

[Scrivener7]

79. Well. They showed us, didn't they?

[NickB79]

81. But, but, "Genocide Joe"!

How'd that work out for you?

[orleans]

82. i believe the people of gaza will suffer even more with the boost from that STUPID "protest" vote for stein

and the rest of the STUPID vote for trump

my heart aches for all the innocents of these goddamn wars

i have a lot of anger and resentment toward all these fucking trump voters--regardless of who they are. they are shit human beings.

[ecstatic]

91. People will have to live with their decisions

Their decision in this election was weird and very short-sighted considering the threat trump poses to every citizen in the entire world.

I think people are going to have to follow their hearts on this one. If tRump attempts another muslim ban or something like that, I know that a lot of us will still participate in protests because it's wrong.

But this time, we have to really make sure the receipts are in place and shouted off every rooftop ad nauseam. This constant cycle of allowing people to forget (or not even know) what we've done every 4 years is not working. No more freebie help without acknowledgment or credit. That goes for legislation or anything that we have a hand in going forward. The days of "quietly" helping people need to be over immediately. And the days of quietly letting trump & repubs pass horrific legislation without informing the American public need to be over as well.

We're going to have to start reaching people through other means and other platforms. The traditional paths do not work. We need to be able to microtarget individuals with messaging, and this needs to start yesterday.

[lucadom]

96. "Well...

...I never thought the leopard would eat MY face!"

[Cha]

100. Self Defeating 🤢😈

[GoreWon2000]

104. The greens strike again.

I appreciate and support the Muslim community's anger about Gaza. However, voting in a way that will only bring on another Muslim ban along with terrible additional religious bigotry is not a good long term strategy.

[BannonsLiver]

107. Jared will turn Gaza into a resort and we're probably going to join Israel in a war with Iran.

Trump will want to play general. Didn’t get to do that last time.

[Happy Hoosier]

117. When they looking for allies, they can look elsewhere.

Their chose this. They can enjoy the fruits of their actions.

[Abolishinist]

120. Always amusing how those on, how do I say this, OK, the w**e left,

are SO supportive of 'diversity', even when such goes against all they supposedly believe in. For example, they were SO supportive of the Hamtramck, MI, city council several years ago, welcoming a more diverse culture.

Well guess what, when the city council became 100% Muslim, they voted unanimously to ban Pride Flags. Quelle surprise!

[EllieBC]

121. Too many think

“Oh well we were supportive of them in their struggle so surely they’ll support us now. Right? Wait…what?”

[Cha]

126. Self Defeatists.

[Historic NY]

130. I hope they start packing because they are on the list

[Freethinker65]

131. Let the deportation and bans begin. Can't wait until those Christian bibles get taught to Muslim families' kids.

[Wanderlust988]

150. They won't see my black ass protesting for Gaza anymore. I'm out. Deuces!

Good luck and God Bless you. I'm tuning out. And if he starts a Muslim ban...oh well, not my problem.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

151. Bibi will be free to destroy and fully annex Gaza

These idiots will regret this vote

[TheKentuckian]

172. Maybe but they seem too insane to figure it out.

[Raven123]

154. Be careful what you wish for

Nevertheless, you have to recognize the skill of the GOP in harnessing the disagreement over this issue and transforming it into a hate movement. Very powerful.

Its a formula they have perfected

[Baitball Blogger]

168. Not lifting a finger to type a protest on their behalf, if they are part of a mass deportation.

[Nixie]

181. Trump Hotels

[LetMyPeopleVote]

184. Muslims who votes for trump will love the new Secretary of State

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Link to tweet

[bdamomma]

196. The Muslims

are going to be thrown into the pot too.

Jill Stein Putin's puppet also.

[notroot]

199. Reap the whirlwind, motherfuckers.

[rainy]

201. I've always thought Jill Stein is payed to insert herself into elections so that votes can be shifted to her. We never

hear her or her beliefs ever but she just keeps deciding to run knowing it's going to hurt the Democrats.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

202. Enjoy the paving of Gaza, protest voters. nt

[PedroXimenez]

203. i wonder how they felt about Dick Cheney's endorsement n/t

[Pototan]

208. They voted for a guy who wants to ban their travel

I don't care if they don't like the Cheney's. The point is, who will protect them this time?

I opposed the Muslim ban and other discriminatory measures against them. I'm sure there are many others on this site that defended them, also. This time I'll just watch.

They're in Steve Miller's hand's now. Good luck.

[Jilly_in_VA]

204. And now it will get worse for them

FAFO.

[samsingh]

205. Trump is no friend of gaza

so the muslim vote may be the missing vote that sank us.

[Scubamatt]

209. I'm just sure . . .

that they will get all the justice for Gaza they are seeking under the Trump Administration, right? (dripping sarcasm) Honestly . . . .

[sdfernando]

210. Bibi is already gearing up to annex Gaza

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many Muslims that didn't vote for Harris just condemned their own family members to death or exile. Don't look to bring them to the U.S. as they will be banned.....and if you're Muslim living in the U.S....better get your affairs in order and figure out what country will take you. Palestine is GONE and will never be seen again!

Buy hey, they punished the Democrats so I guess that's OK??

[B.See]

214. Well, I for one

will be too occupied worrying about what's going on right here in the states. So...

[Jack Valentino]

218. "Muslim Exit Polls"- Is that where we poll them on their way out of the country,

as Trump is deporting them ??

[ReadItnWeep]

220. Similar but different..

I was curious about the election results in Springfield, Ohio.
After the disruption and bomb threats and being the focus of the campaign because "They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats."

https://www.wlwt.com/article/trump-wins-record-share-of-republican-vote-in-clark-county/62863871

Well, apparently it usually votes red. And apparently, the negative attention did not change their minds.

In the same way Hispanic men went red. And higher percentages of black men and women decided in his favor this time as well.

It makes me feel on the tip of insanity as I try to imagine how I saw a lying, stupid and offensive man ramble on about how he knows more than anyone - about everything, and also that he's been a victim since he first became a public figure. Yet these other folks, who knew he was lying about their city, or their people thought he was the best one for the job.

I'm definitely taking a break from the news and all the analysis of where the democrats went wrong. IMHO, we just don't reach the majority of voters. Joe Rogan and Elon Musk alone have such huge audiences and those fans do not really question what they hear.

I don't understand, or to say it more honestly, I suppose it really scares me to understand what the election results say about everyone around me.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

223. Witnessing Karma

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