The Senate Race in Arizona is going to be very close thanks to the Green Party candidate which is getting 2% of the vote

[JohnSJ]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/arizona-senate-results

It is unbelievable how these "supposed" progressives continue to help republicans win elections.

[Dem4life1234]

1. I really despise these third party candidates so much

Why do they run when they won't win?
Cause they are a bunch of agitators probably paid by THAT menace of a country.

[JohnSJ]

3. I agree.

[Cha]

26. For money & fuck with American Democracy.. EGO Power.

[GreenWave]

27. Ross Perot created a happier time for Democrats, lest we forget

[TheFarseer]

2. We need ranked choice voting nt

[JohnSJ]

5. That has to be approved at the state level.

[Rebl2]

19. MO

voted against it this last election.

[JohnSJ]

20. Not surprised from a red state like Missouri

[nycbos]

6. That's the idea.

They know their far-left agenda has no chance of becoming policy nationwide, so they play the victim and blame the Democrats and try to help Republicans.

[JohnSJ]

7. I don't know, but whatever they do it is a demented and sick strategy, that helped create nazi Germany in the 30s

[nycbos]

10. Absolutely

If the f***img commies main alliance with the Social Democrats they could've defeated the Nazis. But the commies considered them worse than the Nazis. They called them "social fascists?

1968. The far left couldn't bear voting for Humphrey so we got Nixon. 2000 they couldn't bear voting for our door so we got Bosh. 2016 they couldn't bear voting for Hillary so we got Trump.

They are using "Gaza" as an excuse. Never mind they celebrated the initial terrorist attack in the first place. If this war didn't happen, they would've had another excuse for not supporting Harris.

[TheFarseer]

17. I think most of them believe in what they are doing

I also think bad actors help them and give them money. I also think their strategy is very bad and counterproductive. They need to work within the two party system with primary challenges.

[nycbos]

18. They try sometimes.

They lose when they run in Democratic primaries. And then they throw a temper tantrum when they lose.

[Ruby the Liberal]

8. They are going to be THRILLED with his climate policy

[Walleye]

9. Green party candidates know they're helping Republicans that's why they do it. That's the only conclusion I have.

[haele]

21. Green Party Voters - like college guys pretending to be Hippies...

...so they could get laid. They couldn't get laid if they didn't tell a great story.
Those guys later ended up being "masters of finance", hot-shot lawyers,or PR guys.
Or drug dealers.

Haele

[Walleye]

22. That's a good analysis, unfortunately

[-misanthroptimist]

11. What's left to count:

Red county votes left ~75k
Blue county votes left ~426k

Gallegos almost certainly will win. Relax.

[JohnSJ]

13. I hope so, but that they haven't called it with about 20% of the vote left to count means they aren't sure.

[-misanthroptimist]

15. I'm sure they're waiting on Maricopa Co.

Gallegos is up by only 3% there, so they are playing it conservatively. They'll call it by the end of the day, though.

It shouldn't be that close. Lake clearly is a lunatic.

[JohnSJ]

16. Thanks, but I am still nervous about it.

[Shrek]

25. I think it's because Lake has been making up ground

She was behind by 55K votes a couple of days ago and now it's down to 33K.

[Vogon_Glory]

12. GREEN Party

Getting

Republicans

Elected

Each

November

I don’t know why the Greens think their actions are benefiting the environment or social justice, but their tactics have only succeeded the progressive/centrist vote and helped right-wing Republicans get elected.

Both the Liberal and Conservative parties of New York State were far more effective in advancing their agendas into law.


Clearly the Greens are too arrogant and conceited to learn from history or retool their approach. Their legacy will be social and economic injustice, dedicated wasteland and polluted lifeless oceans. Hardly the sort of legacy a party (supposedly) dedicated to a better environment would want, eh?

[-misanthroptimist]

14. I assume that most are voting their conscience

I have no doubt, though, that some are voting "to teach the Democrats a lesson." For such individuals, your criticisms are wholly justified.

But I myself won't criticize those who are voting their own conscience unless they are voting directly for evil.

[Walleye]

24. I just get angry that they don't understand the binary choice that we have

[-misanthroptimist]

31. That's their right as Americans and voters

At least for now. They may well come to regret their choice.

We already do.

[Walleye]

34. Sure, it's their right, it's just not very realistic. Seems kind of unserious to me. I'm probably wrong though.

[-misanthroptimist]

36. I'm sure you're at least partially correct.

Some percentage are just...I wanna say "assholes" but that would be impolite. Let's just say they are naysayers. What that percentage is I doubt either of us knows, but it is not zero.

[JohnSJ]

29. Conscience my foot. They helped pave the path to Trump, and

just like those who refused to vote Hillary in 2016, and helped give us the the SC we have today, they can go to blazes.

[-misanthroptimist]

30. It's impossible to know if they helped Trump

That assertion assumes that they wouldn't have voted for another third-party or that they wouldn't have just stayed home. I'd blame Comey for 16, long before I'd bother with the Greens.

[GoreWon2000]

33. Nader made it possible for W to get close enough in Florida in 2000

to have his little brother, Florida campaign co-chair and repug controlled SCOTUS steal the 2000 election for him. That's at the root of how we got here. In 2016, Jill Stein got more votes in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin than Trump's margin of victory in those 3 states. The greens are clearly hurting dems and they don't care.

[-misanthroptimist]

35. See? I just don't understand the logic

The Greens say what they say.

The Democrats say what they say.

The Republicans spew their bile.

The voter chooses. If they choose the Greens, then that means they have rejected the Democratic candidate. The only way your logic works, imo, is if the Greens don't exist or have no candidate. But even in that event, some will undoubtedly continue to reject the Democrat and either vote for some other third-party or stay home.

[GoreWon2000]

37. Voting green is a vote for repugs

I know what happened in Florida because 15 of my 24 years spent working on dem election campaigns were spent in Florida. Nader knew exactly what he was doing. with his big lie. He created it to hurt dems. Nader took crucial votes from Al Gore with his big lie that their were no differences between Al Gore and the SCOTUS appointee. Nader was in Miami the weekend before the 2000 election. Let's also not forget that the repug leadership council which was a subsidiary of the repug national committee paid $5 million for Nader's tv ad campaign promoting Nader's big lie which ran in battleground states like Florida. Do you really think that Al Gore would've put Alito and Roberts on the SCOTUS? Repugs have continued to help the greens because they know that the greens can siphon off enough dem votes to help repugs win. Now the greens might possibly cost dem Rubin Gallego his Senate seat and help install far-right nut job Kari Lake.

[JohnSJ]

38. In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, while in

those same swing states Jill Stein received 1% of the.vote.

Far as I am concerned P___ on them. They were a contributing factor because they knew what the stakes were, and because of their selfishness they own it, because they stood by and didn’t try to stop it. No different than those in Germany who turned their back when hitler came to power.

[Walleye]

23. We used to call that kind of thing, too cool for school

[ColinC]

28. Same with AZ6. Fuck the geen party.

[GoreWon2000]

32. They must be secret repugs

They know they're hurting dems and they keep doing it. Nader in 2000, Stein in 2016 and now this. I hope Rubin Gallego can hang on. BTW, has anyone heard how many votes Stein got in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin this time?