Gonna take a break, folks. I can't take the Biden bashing.

[Joinfortmill]

It seems to be growing and I love the guy. So, goodbye for now. Take care of yourselves and your loved ones. And remember who the enemy really is.

[SheltieLover]

1. I cant either

So I ignore them.

Take good care.

[Dennis Donovan]

2. Biden is blameless, IMO

I think Speaker Emerita Pelosi's comments have been disrespectful.

[totodeinhere]

3. I have been a big supporter of Nancy. So I am not goimg to bash her now.

She is simply saying that if Biden had dropped out sooner Kamala would have had a better chance. Other Democrats are saying the same thing.

[LisaL]

5. She isn't saying that at all. She clearly didn't want Kamala to be candidate.

She also proclaimed in 2022 that Biden is the nominee. If there was a time to pick a new candidate through a normal primary season, it was then.

[StarryNite]

15. That's exactly how I see it too.

[orange jar]

6. I think she believes there should've been a primary.

I've been seeing more Dem politicians and strategists come out and say that they wished Biden had decided not to rerun and that we should've had an open primary.

[LisaL]

9. Then why did she declare in 2022 that Biden is the nominee?

The time to pick a new candidate was then.

[SoCalDavidS]

35. THERE WASN'T TIME FOR A FUCKING PRIMARY!!!!

So the eventual nominee could be torn apart by the competition, only a couple of months before the election?

I HATED the fact that Biden withdrew, but I was at least willing to go along with the fact he chose the only replacement who had a chance. Although I knew that chance was limited since she was a female.

[LT Barclay]

64. Dedicated support could have weathered the storm. I thought the bashing was because he withdrew, not this.

Although the MSM seems dedicated to finding any weakness in a Democratic candidate, so they can run them to the ground (i.e. the "Dean Scream", "Al Gore is wooden and says he invented the internet&quot . I'm sick of that.

[NorthCountryLib]

73. Well, since Harris lost, perhaps there should have been a primary

I doubt she would have been the nominee.
Just like in 2016, the DNC and elites of the Party wanted Kamala and they shoved her down our throats.
Just like in 2016, she lost.
Maybe they will learn to allow the people to choose.
But I doubt it.

[SoCalDavidS]

74. Would Have Split The Party

And the eventual nominee would have spent weeks being destroyed by our own side, only 2-3 months before the election.

The Vice President is usually the one who has the best chance of winning. Now, if you want to say she lost because she was a woman, and this country won't support one, then that I can believe.

But she was at least as qualified, if not more, than most or all of the other choices.

[BannonsLiver]

75. There wasn't time for a primary in 2022?

That’s 2 years before the election.

[SoCalDavidS]

78. Did Anybody On Our Side Feel Joe Biden Was Destined To Lose Back In 2022?

We were all gung ho about all the gains we made in Congress, and how the House wasn't a bloodbath or red wave.

So far as I could tell, until that 1st debate, nobody had a bad word to say about Joe Biden. Certainly none of our leaders did.

No, less than a month before our Convention, THERE WAS NO TIME TO RUN A DIVISIVE PRIMARY.

[BannonsLiver]

80. Yea, there were a few that did.

They were quickly silenced on this platform. It certainly was not a majority, but it wasn’t nobody, either.

[SoCalDavidS]

82. Well, Perhaps They Were Right

Joe still was extremely well supported during the Primaries.

And the bottom line is, I think he did a fine job, given the total fucked up mess he walked into. I don't see how we could have come out of it much better.

The other candidate is AT LEAST as mentally challenged as Joe Biden on his worst day. Joe may stumble, lose his train of thought, but the words coming out of the other candidate are UNBELIEVABLE.

As I've said, it's not us, it's them. IT IS NOT JOE BIDEN. IT IS NOT KAMALA HARRIS. It is the CONVICTED FELON, and ALL HIS SUPPORTERS.

[BannonsLiver]

84. He did a great job. As proud to have voted for him as any I've voted for.

And will be eternally grateful for him from saving us from Dump in 2020.

[mcar]

28. That is not what she said

and her remarks do nothing but hurt the party, our great candidate and the best president of my lifetime.

She should be blaming the media for normalizing Trump and ignoring Biden/Harris accomplishments.

[NorthCountryLib]

72. She took a while to endorse Harris if you remember

Pelosi is brilliant. She knew Kamala would lose. She we overrun by someone.

[Cha]

16. I know... I love Nancy.. but really?! I can't

believe she had to say that.

[Bettie]

81. She didn't have to

she wanted to.

[Rebl2]

68. Agree

[crimycarny]

4. Pelosi needs to look at herself and the "Democratic machine"

I mean, hello? The GOP just got a 34-count convicted felon, convicted rapist, and inciter of an insurrection elected.

It's not the candidate, it's the Democratic machine who couldn't figure out how to defeat such a horrific candidate. And Pelosi's public statements bashing her own party are a big part of the problem. She needs to look in the mirror.

Obama wanted Hillary over Biden in 2016; we see how that worked out. Biden was the underdog in 2020, but he dug in, believed he could win, and pulled off the victory. Biden went on to become one of the most successful Presidents in my lifetime, and he did all of that without a majority in the House and a razor-slim majority in the Senate (with the VP the extra vote).

The one person NOT to blame in all of this is Joe Biden.

[Babajida]

38. Not Biden OR Harris

Kamala Harris ran an exceptional campaign, doubly so given the time frame. Part of our problem as a party is that our first reaction to a loss is to start blaming other factions of the party. Meanwhile Republicans will circle the wagons.

[crimycarny]

42. Yep, not Harris either

She ran as close to a flawless campaign as possible, especially given the short amount of time she had. Harris is definitely not to blame either.

[AdamGG]

66. Republicans didn't circle the wagons when Romney lost

They cast blame and looked at why they lost. It's a natural thing to do. The problem is that the present time isn't when there is a somewhat normal Republican who we disagree with about to take office, it's a moment when the norms of democracy are about to be shattered and we need all hands on deck to focus on that.

[krawhitham]

69. They shouldn't have waited over a month to do interviews

And that's on the campaign not her, because she CRUSHED every single interview she did


But it allowed tRumps narrative of her not being able to answer questions to set roots in the minds of voters

[bdamomma]

79. Yes

I noticed that too, eating our own, really uncalled for. Let's stop kicking ourselves in the ass.

[debm55]

7. I am most times in the Lounge. Join us there. We will miss all of you. I always felt sorry for Joe. How Trump treated

him. Baby had to sit out the inauguration, Read that Biden is treating Trump to a lunch on Wednesday. I will missou
you Joe. You are what our politician should all be like. Too bad they don't have the love, manners and honor that he has

[Jack Valentino]

56. I hope motherfucker chokes to death on a chicken-bone, and that President Biden tries

to rescue him, but is unsuccessful.

[Ms. Toad]

61. Do you seriously want JD Vance as president? n/t

[Jack Valentino]

63. Yeah, that is a problem. Perhaps he could be invited to dinner also...

The Republicans are better at choosing the "even worse guy" as the assassination "insurance policy"---

Although left by himself, I'm not convinced that Vance would ad-Vance the worst of Trump's economic proposals---

although when it came to actual fascism he might be worse--
not the least because he would live longer, and be Constitutionally eligible to run for another term...

What does Vance like to eat?

Possibly some couches could be booby-trapped...

[bdamomma]

85. Joe

gracious to the end, and humble. And to that felon.

President Biden is more forgiving to that felon than me. Remember when Joe won, and the General Services Administration, did not recognize that President Biden won until Nov 23rd. Emily Harris was the person they were dealing with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_transition_of_Joe_Biden

[lark]

8. I don't read anything negative about Biden. He was a great president - period- the-end.

His worst mistake was Merrick Garland by far. Otherwise, he was pretty pitch perfect. Oh ok, he wasn;t great on Israel, should have cut off munitions the second they started prohibiting the aid to get through.

[LisaM]

10. Cutting off our only Middle East ally is not really an option.

The public also needs to be more educated about who Hamas is. They seem to confuse Hamas with the Palestinians at large.

[lark]

11. No, it's Israel that is killing Palestinian childrens, they are the ones who think everyone is Hamas.

[RipVanWinkle]

12. Biden should have ran in 2016

Serve a four year term.

Pass the torch in 2020.

[LymphocyteLover]

33. he didn't run in 2016 because his son Beau died of brain cancer and he was too devastated to run in that cycle

[SoCalDavidS]

36. It's Amazing That People On Our Side Can't Frickin' Get That

Seems like I see a post every day about how Biden should have run in 2016.

He was still in mourning, plus our party wanted to give Hillary a chance.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pelosi thought Hillary was the better choice over Biden. I'm beginning to think she never cared for him.

[Jarqui]

55. I've watched Joe and followed him since the 70s

He's a very good man who was totally devastated by the loss of his son.

I lost my best friend nearly 40 years ago. I'm never going to get over it.
My late friend's birthday was last September - not a good day.
Sometimes loss of someone close to you is massive.
It can take you a long time to learn to live with it. I'm still learning.

[Jack Valentino]

57. I don't think Biden would have had a chance of beating Hillary for the nomination in 2016,

even if he had started running for it early,
since most of the party's women were supporting Clinton,
and Clinton already had a large organization-in-waiting from her 2008 primary campaign,
which she came close to winning...

[Jack Valentino]

58. Those who say he "should have run in 2016" may actually mean that

he "should have been the nominee in 2016"...

but I don't think he would have had much chance of taking the 2016 nomination away from Hillary Clinton,
particularly when President Obama seemed to prefer his SOS,
who had already come close enough to beating him in the 2016 primaries.

She was "next in line" under the circumstances.

[krawhitham]

70. Obama pushed Biden not to run in 2016

Obama “gently pressed” Biden on his 2016 presidential ambitions over several weeks. He then ultimately had a strategist deliver a discouraging assessment to Biden of his odds in the race against then-front runner Hillary Clinton.

“The president was not encouraging,” Biden later said, according to the Times.

Obama believed at the time that Clinton, who would become the Democratic presidential nominee and lose to President Trump in the general election, had the best chance to win, according to the Times. Obama also didn’t think Biden was in the right state of mind to campaign for president following the death of his son, Beau, the newspaper reported.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/us/politics/barack-obama-biden.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/441050-obama-pushed-biden-not-to-run-in-2016-ny-times/

[MustLoveBeagles]

13. Come back when you're ready

You'll be missed

[Cha]

14. "Trash can" is our Friend! I use it Liberally.

Many Cans FULL UP!

Take Good Care

[BidenRocks]

17. Read my name!

[iluvtennis]

18. I turn off any TV program that bashes Biden or Dems. Also, just don't read anything that bashes Biden/dems.

Hugs to you @Joinfortmill

[LymphocyteLover]

32. yep, that's what i do

[emulatorloo]

19. I can't take the Biden bashing either. Truly the best President in my lifetime. And a wonderful caring empathetic

human being.

Can’t take the Harris bashing either.

Thanks for the post.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

20. Me either. What happened on Tuesday was a theft of the votes of the people of the United States.

We need to STOP the blaming of Uncle Joe, White Women, Latinos, etc because the only people who are at fault are pootie poo, netayahu,musk, the techbros, the heritage sh!t can, white supremacists, christain nationalists, stevie 3 shirts, the mouth breathing knuckle dragging magats & their demented Apricot Asshole. THA'T'S WHO TO BLAME!

[deurbano]

34. And Murdoch.

[Montauk6]

59. And the "not a dime's worth a difference" crowd who stayed home.

[bdamomma]

86. Exactly

correct.

[sagetea]

21. How can they blame the President

When HE, himself was the only one of them that won?

sage

[Easterncedar]

22. Total Biden fan here

He saved us 4 years ago. He did amazing things. I will always be grateful for him and his heroic stand in the face of all they threw at him.

But do take care of yourself. We all need to.

[Abstractartist]

23. I'm joining you

I am somewhat disgusted with our party bashing our president that has served this party and nation with everything he could give. Democrats bashing democrats…. Yup there you go. Our party needs to look very deep into their own minds and hearts. President Biden did not cause every demographic but black women to vote for trump…. Our message did. I will not be monitoring trump or his ilks for the majority of his FINAL term. Good luck to all

[BlueMTexpat]

24. No Biden bashing

from me!

[Magoo48]

25. On this thread, Joe, Nancy, and Kamala all catch some shade. And, if this and but that.

How does this help? Blame is a useless waste of time.
Wouldn’t we be better served spending our energy on how we repel these fuckers and resist their foul intentions?

[crimycarny]

43. Speaking for myself

The only reason I am bashing Pelosi is because she is the one running to the press and blaming Biden. As you said "Blame is a useless waste of time"So why is Pelosi speaking to the NYT and making public her criticism? If it's not helpful for your average user on a political discussion forum like DU to throw blame around, how in the HECK is it helpful for one of the most powerful Dems (Pelosi) to run to the press and throw blame around?

That is why I feel Pelosi bashing is appropriate, it's in response to her whining to the press.

[mcar]

26. I haven't been here much because I can't stand the usual

Democrat bashing after a loss.

On Monday, everyone was saying Harris ran a near perfect campaign. By Wednesday, her campaign sucked, Biden sucked, etc. etc.

As another OP says, when are we going to stop blaming each other and blame the real culprits - all the people who voted for a convicted felon rather than a woman?

[JohnSJ]

27. I have only seen a couple of threads and I just ignore them. The only

blame for this election is those jackasses who voted for Trump.

[LymphocyteLover]

31. I blame GW Bush

[Emile]

50. I trashed two threads a couple days ago. I guess

that's why I don't see any trashing of Biden?

[pfitz59]

29. Democrats are prone to too much bashing

We need to focus on the positives, and band together to fight Trump's negatives. They play at 'divide and conquer'? So can we. The GOP is in the midst of a Civil War. We need to find the cracks in their coalition and capitalize on them. 'Young Earth' Mike Johnson surely has very different aims than the Tech Bros and Billionaires backing Trump. Focus on the enemy, not us.

[LymphocyteLover]

30. I refuse to bash or even criticize him, so yeah

[soldierant]

37. I really think that 100%

of Bifen-bashing on the right is because somewhere deep down they know he is a better human being and a better Christaan than they will ever be (perticularly since they are not even trying and they hate him for it

Biden bashing on our side, I don't know. We aren't pefect, so some may be similar to that on the right. But Pelosi - and I didn't read exactly what she said, and if it was some variant of he didn't allow enough for American misogyny, she may have a point. He is far too good a person to really see the misogyny, since he has none of his own. Personally I would not pick now as the time to say that, since far more of us are at least equally guilty of that blindness.

Te United States has had some fine Presidents in our getting on for 250 years. We have also has duds and creeps. Butof them all, Joe Biden, Jimmy Carter, and Abraham Lincoln stand out as being simply good human beings. I'm lucky to have seen two of the three in my lifetime (and apparently also lucky that that lifetime is almost over.) I hall ignore anything that hints at Biden-bashing because I really need DU right now.

[ShazzieB]

39. Be well, take care, come back when/if you feel ready.

I have no plans to leave DU right now, but I'm going to start being hella picky about which posts I click on for a while. Like you, I'm sick of the Biden bashing, but even more, I'm sick of bashing in general. I'm sick of posts looking for someone or something upon which to lay the blame for what happened with this election.

I realize that some people need to do that stuff, and they are welcome to do it, afaic. It's just not what I personally need right now. It didn't dawn on me until I read a few posts like that, but now I know.

It's funny, in a way, because I'm usually one who likes to analyze and pick things apart, but I'm not interested in doing it with this. Maybe I'll feel differently later on, but for now I just want to mourn the loss. This terrible thing happened, and I just want to sit with my grief for a while. Others need to do differently, and that's fine. That's just not where I am.

The truth is, I think this loss occurred for a whole bunch of different reasons. Various people and entities made mistakes, and there's plenty of blame to go around, if one is so inclined. I am not so inclined, so I will do my best to stay out of those discussions and let those who enjoy them have at it.

[alarimer]

40. Me neither.

Not long ago, people were praising Biden as one of the best presidents ever. And the only candidate who has beaten Trump.

[orangecrush]

41. The "Biden bashing"

Is nothing compared to the bashing we're gonna be taking.

[ShazzieB]

46. Probably, but is bashing Biden going to make that better somehow?

Of course not.

I haven't heard anyone ordering people to stop with the bashing. Some of us are just saying we're not interested in reading those kinds of threads.

If bashing Biden gives you some kind of relief, knock yourself out. Some of us would just rather give that sort of thing a wide berth. To each their own.

[orangecrush]

48. I'm not bashing anyone

Just making an observation.

Personally, I feel no need to blame anyone.

We were blindsided.

I was at least.

We were assured victory was at hand.

Nothing much anyone has to say makes much difference at this point.

I thought we were safe

I survived the fuckers pandemic.

We likely won't be so lucky a second time.

Glad I got to live a full life.

See you in the trenches as we start fighting.

[ShazzieB]

53. I agree with all of this!

[orangecrush]

60. Thank you!

All we have is each other

[ShazzieB]

62. My pleasure.

And yes, all we have IS each other, which makes me really grateful for DU!

[Meowmee]

51. Yep

For sure

[Hotler]

44. Switch over to Garland bashing for a fresh change.

[Emile]

45. I don't see it!

[markodochartaigh]

47. I passed a virtual store

on the internet the other day. They were selling guns specifically made for circular firing squads. It sure looked like the guy behind the counter was a maga guy with his red hat and all.

[Meowmee]

49. Agree

I am grateful that he beat the psycho and will always be. At the least it was a stop gap. I don’t agree with everything he did. He made mistakes imo, but now is not the time to start rehashing over this and attack him for recent events. People need to remember who the only one is who actually beat that monster- it was Biden, he was able to get the voters we needed in those 3 crucial states and to win his own state, plus extra. I discussed this with a close friend at the time and we agreed he was the only one who could win.

[Raven123]

52. Frankly, if there is to be "bashing" it should be directed at those who spoke too soon

If I got it correct, it was reported that said Plouffe suggested NC was in play and Pelosi said we would keep the House. So my question is, who was counting the votes?

[Jack Valentino]

54. This is probably among the least "Biden-bashing" sites on the internet!

Seems you've seen more than I have, in the past week, or too much for you, anyway. People here are hurting, and lashing out at everyone.

I was backing Joe Biden in 1988 after the Hart debacle-- until he was unjustly driven out of that campaign... and supported him from the start in 2020, even after backing Bernie in 2016.

Please come back soon. We need you here!

[Skittles]

65. whatever

this is a POLITICAL BOARD, we don't all think the same

[DAngelo136]

67. Hey, what's this lying around sh....?

Good news, folks!
WE get to be the a-holes for a change.
Our aim is to make Trump a one term president, as a famous political turtle once said.
I want to see Chuck Schumer filibuster everything and dare Republicans to get rid of it. I want to see Democratic House members, throw temper tantrums
totally make a spectacle of everything.
Ladies and gentlemen, we can make the whole damn clown show burn down. After all, they did the same thing.
Mock them, make fun of them, and then demand the impossible and curse them out when they don't deliver.
Treat the MAGA morons like the deplorables they are. Go full a-hole.
What have you got to lose? Stop caring so much, we're not in charge anymore-they are. They have to produce results. Don't make it easy for them.

For some inspiration: The Great Bluto Speech from "Animal House".

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[LoisB]

71. I don't read anything that makes any attempt to blame President Biden for anything. I don't know the reason(s)

we lost this election but I do know it wasn't because of Joe Biden. I also know that for the past almost four years, I never had to wake up wondering what the hell happened overnight because I knew Joe would handle it.

[BannonsLiver]

76. Okay. Sounds good.

[bdamomma]

77. I'm not for

eating our own. This administration has done remarkable things for us during the 4 years. Now are we bashing our Democratic Party???? We need to move forward and plan. And use that anger into activism.

They want us to give up, they want to wear us down mentally. That's want autocracies do.

[Swede]

83. When Obama was 1st elected I couldn't handle this place.

He wasn't the perfect President for a lot of folks. I left DU for years.