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Rilgin

(795 posts)
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:01 PM Nov 2024

Please Joe Biden Use the Pardon Power to prevent Retribution

Joe Biden can actually protect some of Trump's promised retribution by broad use of the Pardon Power. Hopefully, even the Republicans will acknowledge his ability to do that.

He can clearly pardon Jack Smith, Adam Shiff, Pelosi and everyone involved in any prosecution of Trump or identified by Trump in any rally or interview as a target of his grievance or retribution. This will not solve every issue but these people need protection.

I have not seen this mentioned in the news. Hopefully the administration is already thinking on these lines but if not and anyone knows someone in the white house, please pass it on.

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Please Joe Biden Use the Pardon Power to prevent Retribution (Original Post) Rilgin Nov 2024 OP
Burdick v. United States FBaggins Nov 2024 #1
Maybe he should pardon Trump Bad Thoughts Nov 2024 #3
Burdick is a narrow ruling that has been overturned in other cases. Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #4
It was also never binding, the statement in that decision was dicta. tritsofme Nov 2024 #6
Not really a "myth" FBaggins Nov 2024 #8
Definitely not a good look Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 2024 #2
You're assuming fascists would recognize a pardon. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #5
That is a question. Rilgin Nov 2024 #7
Pardon them for what? Igel Nov 2024 #10
Trump will use his justice department for revenge Rilgin Nov 2024 #11
Thank you for posting. Jit423 Nov 2024 #12

Fiendish Thingy

(21,823 posts)
4. Burdick is a narrow ruling that has been overturned in other cases.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:14 PM
Nov 2024

It’s a myth that refuses to die

FBaggins

(28,612 posts)
8. Not really a "myth"
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:52 PM
Nov 2024

Arguably dicta.

But since there’s no legal significance to the question… we’ll never have more than the debate.

Still - not a good look. As no shortage of public democrats have said when people speculated about Trump pardons.

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Rilgin

(795 posts)
7. That is a question.
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 03:49 PM
Nov 2024

That is a question, but he should do it anyhow. It has been considered unlimited and an unchecked power so it might survive republican attack. Regardless, he should do it.

Igel

(37,247 posts)
10. Pardon them for what?
Sat Nov 9, 2024, 07:32 PM
Nov 2024

Pardon them for using the law as a political weapon?

Well, that would be saying that they used the law as a political weapon and they'd been forgiven.

No need for them to admit guilt in accepting the pardon or having the DOJ honor the pardon. But the President would have to basically say there was a crime or something judiciable that they did. "Maybe if they did something I can issue a pardon sufficiently broad to cover pretty much anything conspiratorial, improper, illegal" gets really sketchy when he's pardoning an employee.

Rilgin

(795 posts)
11. Trump will use his justice department for revenge
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:00 AM
Nov 2024

Trump has run on revenge and retribution. Its fine and good to say he shouldn't but he will.

The people he targets will spend millions and be at risk of whatever the Trump appointed lawyers and Trump appointed judges dream up. I am just suggesting that even though Trump should not do that, he will have the power to do that and there will be no checks and balances. Some might, after massive expense, be found innocent by juries if a fair judge but not everyone.

The only real way to prevent it would be to preemptively pardon all of Trump's targets from absolutely any possible crime anyone could think of even though WE KNOW THEY ARE NOT GUILTY. This may save them considerable problems when Trump goes after them or it may not but there are really no other checks on malicious prosecution with cooperative corrupt judges.

Saying they should not need a pardon (even though generally true without MAGA in power) does not protect them. A pardon might

Jit423

(1,568 posts)
12. Thank you for posting.
Sun Nov 10, 2024, 01:12 AM
Nov 2024

I have pleaded for this on many other Dem sites hoping that someone close to Joe would take the message to him.

I even went so far as to suggest that Joe might use his power and position to perform an even bolder move.

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