Where are the votes???? A must read thread.

[58Sunliner]

Why are we not demanding recounts??!!????

Link to tweet

[CanonRay]

3. Writing concession speeches

[DSandra]

34. There's establishment Dems for you

Like Nancy “impeachment off the table” Pelosi during the Bush years.

[GoreWon2000]

60. They hid when W stole 2000 election

and abandoned Al Gore and the Dem Florida voters whose votes were never counted in 2000. That's not a good party look.

[ananda]

64. And that's why we are where we are now

....

[GoreWon2000]

68. Exactly!

I've been making that case since 2000.

[ananda]

73. Me too.

Dems are just too nice.

[GoreWon2000]

74. They're in it for themselves

[Hugin]

35. Before every vote was counted.

I’m never going to get over that bit.

[GoreWon2000]

69. Spot on!

I'll remember for ever then DNC chair publicly urging Al Gore to give up the fight to have the uncounted Florida votes counted in 2000. So much for protecting we the people's voting rights. Our country will never be the same. I think too many people have given up on democracy since 2000 and here we now are.

[Cirsium]

8. Time to reach across the aisle

Let the heeling begin.

[LPBBEAR]

9. Congratualating Trump

for winning.......

[Dem4life1234]

41. Something something peaceful transfer of power

Typical

[iemanja]

51. Being oddly sane.

[Cha]

2. Too busy blaming Pres Biden, VP Kamala, and

Dem Party?

[Cirsium]

6. Yes, of course

You blame the person who promised to fix your roof when it leaks, not the rain. We have known the right wing agenda for decades. That is a given. Job one for the Democrats, the absolute bare minimum, is to stop this nightmare we are going through from happening. We are all to blame to some extent, but good leadership takes responsibility for failure. As the sign on Truman's desk in the White House said: "The Buck Stops Here."

[valleyrogue]

15. Wrong. It is solely the fault of those who voted for Trump.n/t

[BunkieBandit]

16. How can we blame someone

for doing what he/she wanted to do? Shouldn't he/she had a better alternative?

[krkaufman]

22. They did have.

Shouldn't he/she had a better alternative?

[Cirsium]

17. There is some truth in that

However, it is too late to do anything about that. Also, it was a known danger long before the election, and the strategists and consultants were paid a fortune to figure out how to prevent it. Progressives and dissidents were told to shut up and get in line. "Trust us. We've got this" we were told.

All societies are vulnerable to this sort of mass hysteria. The job has always been to prevent it from happening.

Make no mistake, I see those who have chosen MAGA as the enemy, and as deadly dangerous. The work is to improve what we do and critique what we have done. Blaming the MAGAs may feel good, and let us and the leaders we followed escape any blame, but it does not help us take the MAGAs down and take them down is the only option left. It is life and death.

[Doodley]

27. Correct. In business if you lose to a competitor, you don't say it's the fault the customers who didn't buy your product

[Dem4life1234]

42. And the lazy non voters, too

[Raiden70]

25. Bring back...

...Al Franken, Alan Grayson, add Katie Porter, Elizabeth Warren, AOC, Pete B, plus others who not are afraid of trump and maga.

[Cirsium]

4. A little help please

I will have nothing to do with Musk and I can't make out much from your post. Can you steer us to another source of information or tell us what it is about? Thanks.

[msongs]

7. doncha know everything here from twitter is true nt

[Cirsium]

11. I don't get it

I don't understand all of the tweets here. If we wanted to read tweets couldn't we just join over there? I could understand using Twitter (or whatever it is called) to promote DU, but using DU to promote Twitter? Insanity.

[Orrex]

18. I hate "link to tweet" posts

A great, minimal effort way to boost one's post-count, I suppose.

[womanofthehills]

67. It's because Twitter has become the main source of news in the world

Some says it’s the number # news source .

“BREAKING: Usage of X hits a record 6 billion US hourly mobile seconds.

X has become the largest news platform in the world.”

Link to tweet

?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

[Cirsium]

71. It is a tragedy

That just makes me ill.

"Largest news platform in the world."

"Greatest destroyer of human social relations in history" is more like it.

[rog]

10. Agree ... I am no longer ...

... clicking on twitter, youtube, tiktok, threads, facebook, etc, etc, etc links for my news. At least post excerpts or preferably a link to a reputable news source. Thanks in advance.

[rog]

13. This must be the article/issue ...

https://www.statecollege.com/articles/elections/software-issues-slow-reporting-of-centre-county-election-results/

But they're on top of it.

https://www.statecollege.com/articles/elections/centre-county-rescanning-13000-ballots-as-software-issue-delays-election-results/

[Cirsium]

14. Thanks n/t

...

[stillcool]

12. Who can ask for a recount?

Are there different rules about recounts in different states? Does the federal government have any say in state election laws?

[LeftInTX]

36. When an election is within x points, often they will do a recount

Usually, it's .5%

[stillcool]

65. I think states have different laws

regarding their own internal recounts. Many states now do an automatic random recount of a certain percentage of the vote, but that's far different from a candidate requesting a recount, no? It would be interesting to know how different states handle things.

[IbogaProject]

19. This has been mentioned

And when I've tried to discuss it I got rebuked. This has been a concern for years w private companies using closed source software. I believe ohio was stolen in 2004.

[spike jones]

20. ES&S knows where the votes are.

Voting and counting machines programed to turn D votes to R.
Just a guess.

[Meadowoak]

28. Yep

[Six117]

21. If this had happened and they lost

the election would be still be undecided, while we wait for any and everything to be investigated then litigated. Oh and maga would be screaming it's a rigged / stolen election and attacking everybody. But here we are, firmly on the high road to project 2025 and a musk "co-president".

[TBF]

23. I closed my Twitter account not long after Musk bought it.

I will not go there.

[Blue Owl]

26. K&R for exposure & visibility

[Silent Type]

29. Think the states have a few weeks to "certify" the vote totals for Prez. While all could be in cahoots

I’d have to see some real evidence of that.

[Alsteen]

30. So, any support for blocking x from du? (nt)

It could be easily done but some may balk at blocking free speach

[Cirsium]

31. Free speech?

Nonsense. This is not about free speech. You are giving credibility to a right wing talking point to suggest that it is.

[soandso]

33. Uhm, what?

Since when is freedom of speech "a right wing talking point"?

Like it or not, twitter/X is probably the most important social media platform in the world, used by governments, politicians and parties, including our own.

[Cirsium]

43. Hard to believe you are serious

Free speech does not mean saying whatever you want anywhere and any time you choose without any consequences. That is not free speech, that is chaos. Chaos is the goal of the right wingers. That is exactly why they push that ridiculous "free speech" idiocy.

The concept of freedom of speech - not "free speech" - in the US refers to restrictions on governmental power to censor.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

That does not say, nor does it mean that you can come into my home, or my workplace, or any meeting hall, or lecture, or concert, or restaurant, or classroom and just start spouting whatever you feel like spouting because "free speech!!!"

You are going to defend Twitter? Really?

[soandso]

44. There is no comparison between your private home and twitter/X

You are advocating for censorship of speech you don't like, rather than choosing to ignore or counter it with your own. This is not China, the old USSR or even Europe. It's the United States where that right to speak freely isn't just enshrined in the Bill of Rights but is the FIRST of the ten. Yes, REALLY, I will always defend freedom of speech and if you don't like that freedom there are plenty of other places in the world where there is no such right and your delicate sensibilities won't be upset. Of course, you won't be able to speak freely, either.

[Cirsium]

45. nuts

Nuts. Twitter is privately owned. "Freedom speech" does not apply, and besides Musk controls what people see and what can be posted. How is that "free?"

So my "delicate sensibilities won't be upset?" Owning the libs now, are we? Are you saying "F your feelings?" Where have I heard that?

Speech I don't like? Another right wing talking point.

"If you don't like that freedom there are plenty of other places in the world..." You are saying "America, love it or leave it," then?

[soandso]

49. The Washington Post is privately owned, too

Are you suggesting censorship there, as well? Where else would you like to see censorship?

You are trying to frame freedom of speech, a bedrock principal of and foundational to this country as "right wing", lol. The founders of this country were classical liberals and the censorship you desire is not liberal, it is oppressive totalitarianism, better suited to fascism and communism, not a democratic republic.

And, most definitely, speech you don't like, assuming you're not advocating censoring what you approve of. I'm gonna guess you wouldn't want that. The thing is, that's what you'll end up with.

[Cirsium]

53. Yes

Of course. All publications exercise editorial control over content. Always have. Publishers decide what books to publish, magazine decide which articles to publish, radio and TV stations decide which programs to air. DU decides which types of posts to allow.

That was all true when the Bill of Rights was written. Where did the Founding Fathers say that every platform must allow every voice?

[soandso]

56. So, whose voices would you censor?

What opinions and POVs would you not allow?

[Cirsium]

59. That depends

If I were editing the sports section of a publication, I would only consider articles about sports.

Unfortunately, the "free speech" argument you are making is causing it to be difficult to have any discussions at all anywhere about anything. An online photography group I belong to is overrun by MAGAs who insist on introducing their political opinion into every topic and then threaten and insult people who object. Cause, you know, free speech!

[soandso]

62. But you were talking about twitter/X

which, unlike your photography forum is considered the global public square and you can discuss whatever you want there as long as it's not some illegal or obscene shit. There are shit tons of liberals on twitter.

[Cirsium]

63. There we go

Absolutely! Twitter is the global public square and one billionaire maniac should not be controlling the global public square.

[soandso]

66. But your asking him to

if you want censorship. As it stands, he's not stopping you from saying whatever you want on that platform. That's a good thing.

I cannot stress enough that when you take one person's right, you take away everyone's. It may take a while before it gets to you but it will, guaranteed.

[Cirsium]

72. OK

Tweet away.

[soandso]

32. Centre county is 95% counted

and its' solid blue but wtf is this shit?

The county first reported at about 12:30 a.m. Wednesday that data was being successfully exported from mail ballot scanners, but was not being recognized by elections software when uploaded. Elections staff were “working with the equipment vendor to adjust configurations to make the two systems—the mail-in ballot scanner and the elections software where data are uploaded—compatible with one another,” the county wrote in a statement at the time.

Shouldn't that have been worked out and fully tested BEFORE election day? Every time I see these problems pop up I have to wonder why these things aren't resolved in advance.

[Irish_Dem]

37. We have now solved the bomb threat piece of the crime.

Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2024, 09:53 AM - Edit history (1)

I wondered what purpose they served. It was an obvious strategic and co-ordinated piece of the crime to steal this election.

We now know the answer. It was a critical piece of the heist.
At the time looked fairly harmless, no real bombs.
But served to disrupt voting and lose or flip votes in crucial districts.

[oasis]

38. It smells for sure. nt

[Irish_Dem]

40. It seems quite clear to me. Crime scene investigation 101.

[soandso]

46. Here's one of them

Nicholas Wimbish, a 25-year-old poll worker from Milledgeville, Georgia, was arrested for sending a bomb threat to the Jones County Elections Superintendent.
The threatening letter contained accusations against Wimbish himself, warnings to election staff, and violent threats against male and female workers, as well as a mention of a "boom toy" at a voting location.
Wimbish is charged with crimes including mailing a bomb threat and making false statements to the FBI, with a potential sentence of up to 25 years if convicted.
Despite facing charges, Wimbish has an academic background in public administration and political science and had expressed a desire to work in election management or teaching.
Prior to this incident, Wimbish was recognized in a local university publication for his achievements and intentions to contribute to democratic processes as a poll manager on election day.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/georgia-poll-worker-arrested-making-bomb-threat-against-election-workers

So, is someone like this guy part of a greater plot or simply psychotic? I think a good part of the population is not right upstairs and what they do isn't politically motivated, for the most part, though some are. Wish I knew the answer.

[Irish_Dem]

48. There were too many simultaneous bomb threats at strategic Dem locations

for it to be a bunch of lone wolves.

It is way beyond chance to have lone wolf psychotic men all call in the threats at the same
time and at the same kind of locations.

So we would look to emails, texts, friends, co-workers to provide information.

If I was going to plan such a large action I would recruit mentally ill, violent young men to commit the crimes.

Of course we are wrongly assuming any one wants to know the truth or punish the ring leaders and planners.

We never bothered to do so regarding J6.
We will not do so this time either.

[soandso]

50. Do you have a list of locations

that received the threats? I'd be curious to see where they happened and how they were communicated (cell phones?). It's probably very hard to track where they came from because anyone can mask where they're calling from, if they know how. I would suppose they did that.

J6 ring leaders are in prison. They were easy to find.

[Irish_Dem]

55. All I know is what was reported in real time.

Simultaneous and numerous bomb threats phoned in and said to be of Russian origin.
All at Dem precincts or Dem locations.

This is what was reported on MSNBC on election night, Nov 5.

I think you also missed the solid fact that none of the planners, founders and managers of J6
were ever charged. The members of congress, Trump's team and SC justice wife, etc.

The DOJ went after the flying monkeys and foot soldiers.
All low level. The ones who planned, managed and funded J6 went free.
Allowed to plan the next coup.

[LymphocyteLover]

39. Despite these types of reports, I don't think the election was stolen

Seth Abramson has a pretty compelling argument here
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1855336934001815791.html

[AntiFascist]

57. Whether or not this kind of voter suppression affected the outcome is beside the point...

The MSM on the left and the Democratic Party have become too invested in stressing that we have free and fair elections everywhere. Nothing to see here, move along! The fact is that Trump often projects onto the Democrats the type of criminal behavior that he and MAGA condone, largely because they are deluded into thinking that there is some sort of patriotic and/or religious justification for it.

[JoeBydun]

47. Unironically stolen

I still believe it was rigged in some way. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that this orange freak won the popular vote despite all the shit he did.

[dchill]

52. I read you loud and clear.

[FakeNoose]

61. If it was stolen ... and I'm not saying it was ...

.... then it was done in a way that we can never, ever prove. Elon Musk owns the Earthlink satellite that could have somehow allowed funny business "interference" to happen during the transmission of election data. It won't be investigated since Kamala has already conceded. This needs to be off limits on DU because we're done discussing this stuff.

Just sayin'

[underpants]

58. 10,000,000 less votes just doesn't make sense.

Trump is at (rounding up) 75M
Harris is at ⬆️ 71 M
Stein and Bear boy have 1.4 M

Joe got 81 M

I’m not saying there was some grand conspiracy but that just doesn’t make sense to me.

[Initech]

70. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but Starlink providing ISP services at polling places seems highly suspect!

Especially given what we now know about Elon's ties to Putin!