So Trump won every swing state?

[orangecrush]

Seems just a little odd.

But that's just me.

[gab13by13]

1. No, it's not just you.

I smell it too.

[keepthemhonestO]

29. Same

This isn't jiving and he's suddenly popular too? Nope
Will he still be installed because nobody will do anything, yes.

Is there an easy place to see the numbers to compare presidential races verses the lower races Gov, Senate, house?

[BonnieJW]

59. They cheated

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100219692792&ved=2ahUKEwiv-JnTndKJAxXUFlkFHYBZD00QFnoECBMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0PHS8EHCC4Mv7FY7MwYmKI

It was screwed

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Allegedly

Prove to me it was all legitimate.

[SoCalDavidS]

25. Towel Has Been Thrown In

On our “democracy” as well.

[Peregrine Took]

3. Waking up this morning I heard about Az.

I guess the next shoe to drop is the House. I still can’t believe it. I feel like a person drowning looking for a log to grab to try to keep afloat.

[Ysabel]

6. wait - wasn't the news from Arizona...

good news?

- I thought it was (but I'm not sure I'm remembering things correctly)...

[Hope22]

10. I thought she was a Dem! Nt

[global1]

13. Lake Lost And Gallego Won The Senate....nt

[StarryNite]

21. Yes and Gallego is the Dem.

[Babajida]

70. And Lake was the Lunatic

that post had me scrambling!

[Mossfern]

85. Hey ....

You look familiar!
The post had me a bit confused, but my memory isn't that far gone at this point in my life.

[StarryNite]

93. Yes! She is a complete loon!

[Meadowoak]

54. nope

[LymphocyteLover]

67. Gallego won but AZ state was declared for Dump. A lot of "split-ticket voters" apparently...

[misanthrope]

114. How does someone vote for Gallego yet vote for Trump?

Unless you factor in that both of them were running against women.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

142. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a reason

[Ysabel]

4. seems odd to me and...

it's not just me...

[SCantiGOP]

89. You know who it isn't?

The DNC, the Biden Administration, the Harris campaign, the DOJ, and MSNBC and the rest of the MSM.
Are they in on the conspiracy, or have a few people on DU just figured out something they don’t realize?

[Ysabel]

116. I remember Obama who seemed well informed...

saying something about how he didn't know some news that most everybody in the country already knew. It was something that had been going on for a long time but he said he was surprised about it when he found out about it...

I was very surprised that he didn't know. It was something he should have known. They / our elected politicians have an obligation to us to know current affairs and to work on fixing problems that occur because of current affairs...

Just as he should have known "clean coal" wasn't really clean and was not a good idea either - coal is not clean!

[JanMichael]

5. Dems won almost all important races in NC

Governor, Lt Governor, Attorney General, Superintendent of Schools and took away the super majority in the state house that the repujes have had for years.

But Harris lost.

[cilla4progress]

12. Well,

was Putin backing them???

We would NEVER accuse them of cheating??

[keepthemhonestO]

31. This

This rac , is the one where the numbers are in and it stinky.

[The_Counsel]

46. It's Results Like This That Makes Me Think Something Stinks Here....

How many states is it that down-ballot Dems did well, yet Trump still carried the state? 10? 11?

Montana I can understand. West Virginia, you bet. But MICHIGAN? Something smells rotten….

[appleannie1]

75. There are a lot of men that would not vote for a female even if

they were on a sinking ship and she was the only one with an extra life jacket.

[Dem4life1234]

120. The lt governer winner is a woman

Well, daughter of a beloved governor, Jim Hunt.

[Bluetus]

81. It isn't that hard to understand, is it?

We now know the equation:

Black + woman + fringe issues > 10%

The candidate executed her strategy as perfectly as humanly possible. There were absolutely no gaffes. She was right on the mark with high energy every single day. That should tell us that it is not the candidate. It is the formula. I know that sucks, but we really will have to change all 3 of those elements if we want to win the next time.

We can't do anything for women, minorities and people in the margins if we are out of power. We must stop organizing our campaigns around the margins.

Don't get me wrong. That does NOT mean running milquetoast middle-of-the-road candidates and platforms. The only thing in the middle of the road is road kill. We have to run with the most populist message we can. We need to be just as bold and clear with what we want for America as the other guy is when he says he wants to be a dictator and deport 20 million brown people.

[dugog55]

82. Harris lost by 350,000 votes

C'mon, does anyone believe that the Democrats won all those top State races but lost the Presidency vote by 350,000 votes? No way.

[soandso]

108. Where'd you come up with that figure?

Harris is down by 3,719,799.

Trump 74,706,124
Harris 70,986,325

[dugog55]

127. I meant in North Carolina, not the country

[soandso]

128. Oh, my bad

I misunderstood.

Yeah, I do believe it because it's not new (people splitting their tickets) and I think the governor's race boiled to the one guy being a complete fuck up so that was almost automatic he had no chance.

[Shermann]

91. Mark Robinson was a poison pill

He just wasn't poisonous enough to kill Trump's momentum in the state.

[cilla4progress]

7. Supposedly...

with no ground game, tons of Rs disclaiming him, and lack of enthusiasm - shrinking crowds.

His own Chiefs of Staff calling him fascist.

[Omnipresent]

17. With inflation and a border to bitch about..

Trump became one lucky bastard.

[SoCalDavidS]

27. He Doesn't Need Luck

Teflon

[keepthemhonestO]

33. Exactly!

It definitely doesn't pass the smell test.

[womanofthehills]

80. New times -podcasts reach more people than ground game

Especially young men.

Over 100 million watched 3 hr Trump interview with Rogan. JD was on lots of podcasts. Trump & JD even went on comedian Theo Von’s podcast. Most of these podcasts, politics is not even talked about much -

Tucker now has the second largest podcast in world - he interviewed JD and Trump & the group around Trump.

Dems really need to step up social media podcasts as that’s where most younger males get all their info.

[LuvLoogie]

90. No, but ban tik tok, instead.

They hold all the cards.

Well see what hands they open with.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

107. I seriously wonder how much the Rogan endorsement drove incel-bros to the polls

And they then either split ticket or only voted for Trump and ignored downballot. I can seriously see his disciples ignoring the other races, and that would explain the higher turnout at colleges on election day that was being touted. How many swing states had same day registration? I know AZ doesn't, but I think I saw Michigan and Wisconsin did.

[pstokely]

139. what were the results of precincts at college campuses?

?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

140. I didn't see final numbers

But I saw reports on election day about long lines on college campuses and high day of registration.

[pstokely]

141. results could be misleading

many vote absentee

[misanthrope]

115. People that are Rogan fans were NEVER voting for Harris

I don't care if Trump sat for 10 seconds or 10 hours with the King of the Mongo Bros, he was always getting their votes.

[Zeitghost]

126. But many of them

Were previously non-voters.

[JI7]

130. Non Rogan fans can be exposed to that shit on social media. It's not just Rogan

but others that all push the same bs. Some low info type is more likely to come across this than some discussion on policy matters.

[Turbineguy]

8. I wondered about that myself.

But maybe they wanted to make sure. Republicans always overplay their hand.

[bluestarone]

9. Well I'm hoping foe recount for Casey. (Ihope)

Then if anything is disturbing is found, i say RECOUNT everyone of them. (I also smell that cheating aroma) This day and age we would all scream if we didn't get a receipt for what we buy. I personally would want a copy of my ballot AFTER it went through the machine.

[orangecrush]

32. My Senator

I sent him money post election for the recount fund.

[bluestarone]

47. Question, being you are living there.

Do you know if the count stands at less than .5%? Auto recount.

[soandso]

111. .6% or 39,591 votes

https://decisiondeskhq.com/results/2024/General/US-Senate/

[karin_sj]

11. It seems odd because it is odd (and unbelievable)

So, four out of five swing states voted for Trump for president and yet elected a Democratic senator? This stinks to high heaven and I don't understand why it's not being looked into. This is insane.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Ticket splitting is nothing new.

Someone posted numbers on another thread that in some swing states, thousands of voters only marked their ballots for Trump, but didn’t vote for a senator, allowing them Dem candidates to win by narrow margins.

[gab13by13]

23. I live among Magats in Pa. and I know them

They hate Democrats, including down ballot Democrats.

Don't tell me that independents voted for TSF and down ballot Dems because I don't believe it. I want to see the exit polls, where are they?

[Fiendish Thingy]

49. Reliable exit poll analysis takes months

The bits of data we are seeing now is very preliminary, from small samples.

Pew research interviews tens of thousands of voters in their exit polls (most national polls only get 1500-2000 respondents); a sample that large takes months to compile and analyze, but provides a richer, clearer picture of the election, especially in the subgroups.

I wouldn’t expect to see the Pew report until next spring, maybe next fall. It will still give us useful data to prepare for the midterms.

[gab13by13]

51. It's not complicated

I just want to know who split their ballots in North Carolina, I don't want to know why.

[mnhtnbb]

66. There are more voters registered unaffiliated

In NC than either registered Dem or Repub.

https://vt.ncsbe.gov/RegStat/Results/?date=11%2F09%2F2024

Believe me, as a resident of NC, I was very hopeful NC would go for Harris and extremely disturbed when it didn't happen.
We have paper ballots in all counties. There was an extreme right wing slate of Repubs for state offices, so it didn't surprise me they mostly lost to the Dems. But don't forget, in 2022 Dems ran a black woman for Senator against Ted Budd. She lost.

[Fiendish Thingy]

98. Somebody posted some interesting info

The total number of down ballot votes were less than presidential votes, implying that some folks voted for Trump, and nothing else.

[MichMan]

129. Lots of voters like their congressperson, especially if an incumbent, regardless of whom they vote for as president.

I don't know why this is so shocking to some people

[Meadowoak]

36. All 7 swing states voted Trump. I call bullshit.

[johnnyfins]

60. I have been calling bullshit all week

TSF won the popular vote? And I'm supposed to believe that millions of dems just sat on their couch and didn't vote? In this election? After we kicked his ass out of DC in 2020? Horseshit!

I'm kind of astonished that there isn't more pushback. The CT label is quickly being applied to any questioning. Even on this forum.

The level of ratfuckery going on must be huge, but Dems are doing the "blame each other dance". Fuck that. I have a little more faith in people.

[h2ebits]

69. I also do not believe that TSF won the popular vote.

None of this makes logical sense.

[Babajida]

88. Trump spent four years making questioning election results insane

[Freethinker65]

14. Seems especially odd where Democratic female Senators won.

I would need to see some actual evidence of vote tampering however.

[soandso]

112. Elissa Slotkin barely won in MI

by .4% or 20,929 votes. That's recount territory but her opponent hasn't indicated he wants one. That's a much closer margin than in PA where Casey has so far refused to concede.

[Heck]

121. Links of evidence to election theft by Trump

Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2024, 05:23 PM - Edit history (2)

Summary of what may have happened: Trump is a Russian asset working for Putin (see American Kompromat by journalist Craig Unger or Active Measures documentary with Hillary Clinton). Trump stole election software in 2020 (see below). Starlink, Elon's satellite company was installed in voting tabulation machines across the country. September Politco had an investigation finding Russian malware on a state voter registration database. Also there were malicious fake texts and fake DNC organizations likely fishing voter info. Elon and Trump are working together. Elon had results of election on an app 4 hours before official counts had it. They will release more info admitting their fraud because they are a Russian asset trying to start a civil war here (speculation).

Also speculation, but please do your own citizen journalism, are reports of widespread ballot rejection, especially for signatures. There are articles claiming already that it is because GenZ does not know cursive - except the signature simply must match your driver's license. It's not a cursive writing test.
https://fortune.com/2024/11/07/gen-z-voters-basic-skill-signing-names-vote-counting-chaos-election-official/

https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-voters-struggle-signatures-cast-mail-ballot-problems-2024-11

News Links

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2024/10/pro-trump-dark-money-network-tied-to-elon-musk-behind-fake-pro-harris-campaign-scheme/

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/03/trump-infiltrate-voting-machines-georgia-2020.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/ncna1112436

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/inside-georgias-effort-to-secure-voting-machines-as-experts-raise-concerns

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/comments/1gnxqmw/elon_musks_company_starlink_praised_by_tulare/

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/us-election-software-national-security-threats-00176615

Personal Testimony from the Colluders

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=499986

Joe Rogan says Elon had data for election results on his phone 4 hours before official counts


https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-airs-melania-trumps-nudes-primetime-1982683

" [Melania, naked] lying on a blue carpet with the U.S. seal, as though the editors of lthe men’s magazine knew something in advance about the future of their model."

They are just confirming she’s their asset.

youtube.com/live/HBPNfAUPz08?si=PZQa_D_wbN9VoA6y

In the first minute:

"Your votes are rigged. We can win New Mexico."

"Too Big to Rig"

"If you can watch your vote counter, if we can bring God down from heaven (he's referencing Starlink), we can win this, win California, win a lot of states."

?si=5u_mJNte37r4JmUb

"Our little secret is having a big impact"

[Dem4life1234]

15. I don't believe it

Especially in states where Dems won big in local offices .

He is such a POS, he needed to win to stay his ass out of prison. Nobody I know likes his ass.

But will Dems just roll over?

[kacekwl]

94. It is times like this

that makes me wonder what is real and who's who in the world of politics. When there's smoke it's interesting to see who comes to check for the fire.

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. He won by 1-3 points in each state, well within the margin of error of the deeply flawed polls

His margin of victory in the blue wall states was around 250,000 votes - bigger than Biden’s 2020 44,000 vote margin in WI, GA, and AZ. Not a landslide, but not exactly a squeaker either.

Turnout was below 2020; if it had matched or exceeded the 2020 vote, maybe things would have turned out different, but it’s hard to know for sure.

Winning every swing state is not evidence or proof of fraud.

The Harris legal team, which includes Mark Elias, is pursuing no legal action and has made no allegations of fraud.

[Dem4life1234]

20. Of course they won't demand a recount

Because "something something peaceful transfer of power".

I will not discount voter suppression efforts. Why were there bomb threats in blue areas? Of course you bring that up, you get your hands slapped by naysayers. Ridiculous.

I refuse to believe there was no fraud going on and many others believe the same, we won't be silenced.

[SoCalDavidS]

30. Yeah We Will

Like we were silenced in 2000, 2004 and 2016.

[Fiendish Thingy]

38. I agree there was significant voter suppression before votes were even cast

Which actually makes a case against election fraud, because effective suppression makes fraud unnecessary.

You can believe what you want; you may or may not be silenced, but you can be ignored.

[Farmer-Rick]

57. Once she concedes

She really has no standing. Even if massive fraud is established like with Gore.

Yeah, all of Trump is projection and he constantly complained of rigged elections. They were rigged, to some extent by the GOP. But this supreme court will just hand it back to him if election fraud is established.

She has conceded; the US now belongs to pedo Trump. She gave up her chance to fight.

[soandso]

113. 1-3 in each swing state?

That's not accurate. He won Arizona by 6.2 and NC by 3.4.

[Fiendish Thingy]

124. I stand corrected

I believe that 1-3 margin does apply to the blue wall states though.

[soandso]

125. No, I stand corrected

You said Blue Wall which I mixed up with swing states. You are right about WI and PA.

[Dennis Donovan]

19. ...and we won most of the Senate races in the swing states.

A peculiar electorate this year.

[Kaleva]

35. In WI and Mi, Trump got more votes then Slotkin and Baldwin

Kamala got more votes in MI then did Slotkin.

Trump didn't have the coattails to carry the R Senate candidates to victory in those two states

[Prairie Gates]

22. He was up in 3 and tied even in 4 in the NY Times averages on Election morning

Why is it odd? It's actually more odd that Arizona was the last to come in, as he was up +3 in the averages there, the most in the NY Times averages.

[bearsfootball516]

26. It's easier to claim they cheated, than to admit that we lost.

It's the easy way out, but doesn't do any good in the long run. We have to figure out what we did wrong, and correct it so we can win in the future.

[SoCalDavidS]

37. Win In The Future?

LOL. Well, someone else can work on that and report back. My money spigot is closed though.

[orangecrush]

39. What is this "future"

That you speak of?

[dchill]

43. It involves the Emperor Palpatine.

[orangecrush]

45. Orange Caligula

[Doodley]

42. They at least cheated with every lie, every conspiracy theory about Kamala and Joe, and every rewriting of history.

[bikes and bunnies]

96. What "we," i.e. Kamala and Kerry, did wrong was to concede too quickly, and not ask for recounts

and not fight back when they cheat, again and again.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100219692792

https://spoutible.com/thread/37794013

Why can't Dem leaders ask for a recount in the counties, as Spoonamore suggests?
Then there would be evidence, pointing one way or another.

Without recounts, we may never have the evidence conspiracy denial theorists always say is lacking. Which just empowers the cheaters to keep on cheating.

[Kaleva]

24. It's not what we hoped for but it's reality

[CrispyQ]

28. The Harris campaign told us it was a razor close race. They told us over & over again.

We all saw the enthusiasm & the filled stadiums & assumed it would translate into votes, but what we didn't see was the huge misinformation campaign going on behind the scenes on social media. I've watched two young women say Trump is pro-choice. One said he's going to make sure the states get to have the final say. She didn't even realize that's what we have now. The other just believed that he was pro-choice cuz she heard it somewhere. Add to it we don't teach social studies or civics anymore in a lot of areas & we have a populace that doesn't appreciate government & the impact it has on our daily lives. Wait till they gut the Department of Education.

Massive ignorance is what we're up against.

[hamsterjill]

34. It's me, too.

There’s just no fucking way. And just because I can’t prove it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

I know it DOES mean that nothing will be done about it. I accept that begrudgingly. But don’t insult my intelligence by telling me that fat orange ass pulled that off legitimately.

[orangecrush]

40. +1

[-misanthroptimist]

41. I don't know what's odd about it.

It's happened before that one candidate took all the swing states. It will happen again. Calling it odd or unfortunate is a vast understatement. It's a frigging disaster! But unless we can provide evidence that something underhanded occurred (aside from disinfo), all we can do is take it at face value and move on the best way we can find.

[Dave says]

72. Promulgation of dis-info is a very big deal

As is the increasing failure of our education system to develop a well-informed, critical thinking citizenry.

These are things we can work on. However, now that the neo-fascists are in power, it will be very difficult (infinitely more difficult than if Harris was in power with a Democratic Senate and House).

[TommieMommy]

44. Something just doesn't seem right 🤔

[intrepidity]

48. We now live in a post-truth era

If nothing else, that one fact has been hammered home hard.

It's gonna take some time to get used to walking on jello.

I'm glad I'm old.

[andym]

50. Kamala won New Hampshire

that was it. She performed similarly to Hilary except for Nevada, which seems to be due to the Latino shift toward Trump.

[dlk]

52. There needs to be hand recounts in 2 counties in every swing state

Anyone with half a brain can see this stinks to the high heaven.

Rolling over and playing dead serves no one but our enemies.

[soandso]

117. Based on?

Should Mike Rogers (R) demand a recount in MI where Elissa Slotkin (D) just eeked out her win of .4% or under 21,000 votes?

[Botany]

53. FYI

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219697093

[Etherealoc1]

55. The kicker for me

Is that he won the Native American vote.
Yeah sure, I have a feeling that this isn't over.
I'm in the wait and see column.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

56. The swing states tend to move together

At least as far as the rust belt is concerned. MI, WI, and PA all share similar demographics. If you win one, you likely will win all 3. I think they have voted together since 1992.

[Polybius]

58. Polls showed that in every swing state, Trump was either leading, tied, or only down 1 or 2 points

Since Trump always overperforms in every General Election, it's not hard to believe.

[NorthCountryLib]

61. We are sounding like Trumpers

Trump said he would fix the economy. No plans and of course he won't, but Kamala didn't address this hard enough so he won.
People are hurting. See the NY Times article about Senator Murphy and why he thinks Dems lose - they tell people they are wrong, mock them, etc.
We will never win again if we keep this up.

[orangecrush]

79. Welcome to DU

And congratulations on 19 posts.

[KPN]

84. Lol. Since 2000, that is the refrain. We are the party of reason. Don't you think

the Rs might actually depend on that? For once, maybe it is worth taking that risk. What have we really got to lose? Let's say this did actually happen. How do you see us ever coming back from this as a party of they can get away with outright theft when they are not the party in power?

As the saying goes, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

Geesh!

[soandso]

122. I agree with Murphy

and heard a lot of being dismissive of people's concerns about their finances. Telling people they don't know what they're talking about, the economy is great and shit like that is insulting when everything is so much more expensive. Just because some multinational is doing well on the stock market doesn't equal people can afford groceries or fix their car.

[Justice matters.]

62. Yep. Looks like the Swifties had something else to do.

[LoisB]

63. I believe that about as much as I believe he "won" the election.

[NoMoreRepugs]

64. How powerful is disinformation? Tens of millions of voters voting against their own self interests.

Going back into my bubble and hunkering down.

[republianmushroom]

65. Strange how that happened.

[TheDemsshouldhireme]

68. As someone stated above

Trump performs better in all 3 elections than he polls. I vow to never trust any poll that is not outside the margin of error.

[Beck23]

71. Virginia was ok

In Virginia, the polls and the actual vote count lined up perfectly. In Viginia votes are counted electronically locally and called into central over the phone so there is no sending over the internet.

If other states are sending to a central tabulator, then that's a problem.

[Upthevibe]

73. orangecrush.........

I agree with you.

I sense malfeasance.....

[PortTack]

74. Sickening ...but this racist misogynistic country doesn't want a woman for president

[malaise]

77. Sadly true

Let alone a non-white woman

[malaise]

76. That is mild

A little?

[1WorldHope]

78. I'm finding it very difficult to re-enter society.

It's like people just think he was joking. He didn't get anything done he said he would do last time, am I freaking out for nothing? I've been crying for a week about the end of democracy. The world is still turning.
Then there is the "documented immigrants", hating the undocumented immigrants? I've been putting Mexican workers on a pedestal for years and they are turning on their own? I don't know about you all, but, I can't throw the rest of my life away allowing him to stay in my brain. I did all that I could, others did even more, it's over. I'm gonna need to make some big changes in my life to find joy again.

[Freddie]

86. Went to church this morning

Kinda had to, I’m in choir. We’re ELCA Lutheran. No doubt there’s trumpers in the congregation but certainly not a majority.
Pastor’s sermon was about the Bible reading today. I’m sure she was very careful to stay away from anything resembling politics. But in the usual prayer which always asks for guidance to world leaders she mentioned “President Biden and President-Elect TFG”. Ugh.
Not one word about the election from anyone unless it was in really private conversations.

[JoeBydun]

83. Rigged

Its obvious it was rigged.

Take a look at some of the margins of the swing states he won.

Pennsylvania:150k
Georgia:116k
Arizona:185k

seems abnormally large.

[Fish700]

101. Remember all the polls that were poopoo'd here?

They were correct. Your expectations weren't.

[orangecrush]

104. Congratulations on 32 posts

[Fish700]

119. Thanks for the logical and effective rebuttal!

I've been around since at least 2005.

[orangecrush]

123. See ya

[orangecrush]

105. Congratulations on 20 posts

[andym]

87. When the national polling at the end showed an even race with Trump even marginally ahead in some, his chances were good

The thinking was Kamala needed a 3-4% national lead to translate into swing state victories. When all the votes are in in another week or two, Trump will be in the MOE of most of these polls. Nationally Trump's lead will be diminished as CA and other returns come in.

[Wiz Imp]

100. The national polling never really showed an even race. Harris always led the national poll average by at least 1 to 2%

If you look at just the November polls on 538, Harris led in the average of those by close to 3%.

[andym]

136. Not true, The final average RCP was Harris 48.7 and Trump 48.6 (0.1% lead)-- Trump led for a few days in late Oct

At least according to this webpage and the chart shown here:

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
Trump's biggest lead in the RCP average was on October 28, when he led 48.4 to 48.0-- a small lead of 0.4

From Oct 23 onwards, they were essentially tied.

Note: realclearpolling.com is realclearpolitics polling site.

?v=1731196800000

[Wiz Imp]

137. RCP is a biased right wing site. Nobody who supports Democrats should ever pay any attention to it.

Hell, they include Rasmussen polls who were proven to be working arm in arm with the Trump Campaign. Talk about a conflict of interest. Why would anyone pay attention to numbers from a source with such a blatant bias?

Non-biased poll aggregators like 538 & 270 to win never showed an even race. Very close, yes, but consistently with a 1 to 2 point Harris lead.

[andym]

138. Using 538, my original point stands: "the national polling at the end showed an even race with Trump even marginally

ahead in some, his chances were good:" If I want to be even more accurate using 538, I should have said an almost even race.

Here are the polls being aggregated by 538 over the last 4 days before the election:

copy/pasted from 538:
Nov. 3-4 2,703 LV AtlasIntel Harris 49% 50% Trump Trump +1
Nov. 3-4 2,703 LV AtlasIntel Harris 48% 49% Trump More Trump +1
Nov. 2-3 1,003 LV Research Co. Harris 48% 46% Trump Harris +2
Nov. 2-3 1,005 LV John Zogby Strategies Harris 49% 46% Trump Harris +2
Nov. 2-3 1,005 LV John Zogby Strategies Harris 48% 45% Trump More Harris +4
Nov. 1-3 1,411 LV TIPP Insights Harris 48% 49% Trump More Trump +1
Nov. 1-3 1,411 LV TIPP Insights Harris 48% 48% Trump Even
Nov. 1-3 1,115 RV Patriot Polling Harris 49% 48% Trump Harris +1
Nov. 1-3 973 LV Ipsos Reuters Harris 50% 48% Trump Harris +2
Nov. 1-3 1,242 A Ipsos Reuters Harris 41% 39% Trump Harris +2
[note that the +/- differentials don't always agree with the results one gets if subtracting Trump from Harris or vice versa in their data]

Note that Trump was indeed leading in some, Harris in others and some were tied, but all were close, which was my point.

It's true that Harris always held a net lead on 538, but it was down to 1.0% on Nov 2, 0.9% on Nov 3, and 1.3% on Nov 4. She definitely did not poll the 3-4% nationally thought to be needed to win, which was my main point.

[Clouds Passing]

92. ⭐️⛓️‍💥

[southmost]

95. nothing to see here, move on

so suspicious, but oh well Bush was literally caught in Florida 2000 and little was done, and we're supposed to believe their cheating tactics didn't improve when they have all these billionaires (tech sector) funding tsf's win ?!? ok gotcha , take the high road, hopey changey, anx we're better than that, many of us are tired of this

[orangecrush]

106. I know I sure am

[kansasobama]

99. All swing states did go for Trump

No, it was not cheating. People really did want him. No questions. Yes, they are suckers.

I can never understand what is up with the MAGA Latinos. So, they want to see their own to be reported and treated like animals. Do they have any humanity left? Somehow, Latinos for MAGA hurts.

[LisaL]

103. I think a lot of it has to do with Latino males not wanting to vote for a female president.

NT

[egduj]

118. Someone needs to tell Claudia Sheinbaum, then.

[live love laugh]

102. It'd be nice if the media told us which states use Ivanka's trademarked voting machines.

[orangecrush]

133. Good point.

[Jk23]

109. Well when you get the working class and minority vote

You're bound to pick up some extra States look how well he did in California and New York as well.

You know thought process here perhaps instead of pretending that there's some weird vast conspiracy that caused people in the South Bronx to vote for Donald Trump we should look at our policies and what we presented to the American public and see how we can do better.

So far I'm just seeing a bunch of left-wing Marjorie Taylor greens spouting off weird conspiracy theories and that's not a good sign hopefully it's just the grief working its way through.

[milestogo]

110. Even when Democratic Senators won.

[sabbat hunter]

131. Look how many fewer

people voted this go around. How many fewer people voted for Harris, than Biden. There is no conspiracy to uncover. Just lots of racism, misogyny in this country, People voting against their own interests. The orange motherfucker really got his base out to vote for him. But the GOP didn't really do much to support the lower card races.

We need to look inwards on to what we can do better in 2026, 2028 rather than push baseless conspiracy theories.

[yellow dahlia]

132. I was just saying the same thing. n/t

[hamsterjill]

134. Can someone explain the Starlink stuff to me?

I’m hearing that Starlink was used in ONLY the swing states.

So that I don’t spread conspiracy theories, can a DU computer person explain to me whether that’s true, etc.

[Conjuay]

135. It had to help having his people nosing inside a voting machine last cycle, having little missy securing chinese patents

for voting machines, being best buddies with a former KGB boss, having his nazi buddy keeping tabs on TWITTER.

But surely I'm mistaken.
These are all coincidences, I'm sure